Ain't that the DM's job, really?

It is if you're playing right(within reason). Which begs the question, have you or anyone else at the table been spite-ing/provoking the DM(intentionally or not) recently.If so consider your options.

@@rysonperry8069 nah he's been our DM for 20 years. He likes doing it similar to how he likes throwing Drow at us. It doesnt help our ACs were in the 20s by tier 2.

As a rule you want to avoid things that cause players to lose control of their characters. While it's fine to take a monster out of the fight with something like Tasha's Laughter if a monster does that to a PC suddenly that player has nothing to do but roll saving throws, and that's not fun.

@@studentofsmith we don't mind. It makes us broaden our strategies in combat and gives us more to look for in shops.

Oh god a party with an Arcane Archer, A Shepherd Druid, A Way of Four Elements Monk, and I want to say College of Creation Bard

Those are wicked ideas!

Please please please Dungeon Dudes, make this a video

@@aldoushuxley5953 I agree with you on the count of berserker barbarian, but I would argue that Fey background is a weaker Patron

@@ChitenBugMan You forgot the OG beastmaster ranger. Tasha's Cauldron of Everything finally made that subclass what it should be, but if you just go by the player's handbook it's quite possibly the worst subclass in the game.

That was my first thought, as my friend is essentially JoCat's wizard in a nutshell.

Yes, the OoA sub is strong all the way through, with a strong finisher in Elder Champion at 20. Not giving this an S tier is mind blowing to me

@@pranakhan I understand why they didn't. It is more niche, aka you need a Fireball slinger on your side. My current wizard I built to have a fear of fire, so that type of paladin doesn't help much, while OoV, well, you always need the movement boost, and the vow of emnity keeps your damage high. A tier difference between makes sense. But I say OoA is probably the second highest of these, hands down.

@@ryanpeters3812 I'm sure a difference of campaign & player types is the X Factor. With my group, I can always rely on someone building a damager. I built with a eye to CC/tank with Polearm Sentinel and finisher damage on the occasional Smite. OoA is a sub which matures well into the high level bracket, even if most groups don't see it. You need versatility in the upper tier, and Vengeance is a little too focused on damage in my book. There is also the RP consideration of maintaining a vengeance-mindset for dozens of hours of play.

There is also the fact that Paladins get to add their Charisma modifier to every single saving throw to begin with, so although the Oath of Ancients spell damage advantage is situational, it's good synergy with the base paladin abilities.

Vengeance leads to Oathbreaking, and Oathbreaking leads to Aura of Hate... Yoda LIED to us...

AYE.

I wish Paladin of the Ancients allowed me to use WIS instead of CHA for spellcasting ... Ancients Paladin seems like it would fit good for one of my charactets. Lol

@@VirtuesOfSin You obviously want to multi class into Druid, huh?

@@NotYourAverageNothing Shillelagh is the best spell ever, I refuse to believe otherwise. :P

​@@aldoushuxley5953 evil clerics in previous systems commanded any undeads that failed the save instead of destroying them. can take that as inspiration!

It's not quite as silly as you'd think, since in general Necromancer wizards prefer skeletal minions for their ranged attacks, and Oathbreaker aura only buffs melee attacks. Still, a nice and thematic combo.

@@Malisteen wait really? i had squads of minions. I kept 5-10 skele heavy crossbowman and the rest were armored shield and sword zombies

@@masterreaper115 keep in mind that using equipment not in their stat block isn't going to be available in all campaigns, so swords and shields on zombies isn't necessarily possible. Even with custom gear, front line skittles & zombs tend to fall pretty quickly, which can be badly draining on a necromancer's spell slots. I'm not saying melee undead are useless, *especially* if you habe an Oathbreaker in the party, just that skeletons with their shortbows tend to be the most efficient use of animate dead slots offensively while also letting you keep them back to avoid trouble.

@@Malisteen in the obedient servant rules it literally states that if you give a zombie armor or a weapon they will use it. They won't however just walk over and pick up a sword off the ground of their own volition. It even says that neither zombies nor skeletons have inherent disadvantage with any weapon or armor. Soooo any campaign at all that let's you craft or buy weapons/armor...can have armored zombinos on your side

The Oathbreaker is always at the very top

Wights are wonderful minions because they can get minions of their own.

@@aldoushuxley5953 literally played an Oathbreaker for an evil campaign we ran and when he died I switched to death domain cleric who was obsessed with raising bodies.

Oathbreaker also cool if you mix it with the Hexblade Warlock and make the biggest Charisma beatstick DnD has to offer.

@@OldWitchDoctor Oathbreaker 8/ Hexblade 12 with Polearm Master and Spirit Shroud up, holeee shit.

Absolute demon blender

So, I'm trying to do the math with Regular attack (+1) haste (+1 Attack) PAM (+1 as bonus) with Fighter (+2 since they're not level 20) So with action surge, you're saying they had 10 different attacks to roll to hit and then calculate damage with a double chance to crit? Like, bro, how would you even be able to keep track of all that?! I'm impressed by the sheer volume of dice

@@TheDancerMacabre and all attacks were with advantage thanks to their Channel Divinity. It's an all-in build, but highly effective.

@@ScarletMagus At what level did he multiclass

@@CastleRaccon they were pretty dedicated to the idea, so they started paladin, went 9 levels to get access to haste, then multiclassed started at level 10. After 9 paladin/3 fighter they went back to paladin, I think to get improved divine smite ASAP.

@@aldoushuxley5953 exactly, it fulfills the oathbreaking prerequisite, and gives alot of character flavor too RP, and struggle with, along side some pretty strong features

I played it that way with a Drow Paladin, and eventually got into Oath of Vengeance, as a way of saying 'I will pay you back a thousand times what you have done to me and others of my kind, Loth' Sadly, we never got there, but it was very engaging!

@@sandrols7 my very 1st time playing D&D, I joined a live table with this concept, however my pc died in that session, and I have yet too go back too it, although I want too.

​@@joshuaarnaud993 you should :) It can still be rewarding to follow up on a concept that you couldn't try before So if you ever find a new table: go for it!

@@sandrols7 won't be finding a live game any time soon lol, but I've had good success online and with Adventures league

Moonbeam carried so much weight and impact in fights through Curse of Strahd

Moonbeam ftw

Another thing about ancients paladin, the natural healing from their 20th level feature doesn't specify you need to be conscious meaning for its duration, you can't die from rolling failed death saves

And an argument can still be made for the Aura. It's not magic resistance, but Paladins by level 7-8 should have at least a +3 for Cha, by that level/logic, you're basically giving all players in that aura are essentially getting Proficiency to all spell saves while mitigating AOE damage which is a HUGE drawback to the Paladin's Aura abilities. Also for role-play purpose, a Triton Padlock Oath of Ancients/Fey or Fathomless warlock pact (at least a 2-level dip) could really crank up your effectiveness and role play.

That's fair. I think AOE is a bit out of character for a paladin in general - they'd normally be honourable duelists. It's good to have a niche filled though.

That oath is literally me in real life. That's my flavour lol

It's pretty much the blue lanterns oath lol.

It’s great. The thing that the spell damage resistance is awesome because you also get the bonus to saving throws you already get as a paladin. Also I have used ensnaring strike all the time. I use it more than my divine smites lol.

Exactly. I made mine have just the worst backstory, so absurdly tragic that you would expect vengeance. But instead he has to learn how to grieve his murdered wife while still trying to uphold the "Protect your Light" tenet, and trying to not fall victim to depression.

It's the Chaotic Good oath!

It's not even his final form...

@Bryce Nelson you deal extra damage equal to your Charisma to any enemies that lack facial hair

True

Sturm would be proud.

His 'stache really does need it's own tee shirt!

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I mean...you *could* have taken it back into town, but it's not a great idea. Unless of course you're running an evil party. Then by all means, go nuts, have fun!

Shoulda rayed the cleric

bag of holding

or portable hole

Because it's not paladin orders paladin oaths are an internal choose. Breaking your faith in your oath is breaking a part of yourself.

Because breaking your Oath doesn't automatically make you an Oathbreaker. Corrupting your divine powers into a malevolent force is what makes you an Oathbreaker. At least that's the difference I see between an ex-paladin and and Oathbreaker.

"Did you ever hear the story of Darth Oathbreaker the Wise? I thought not. It's not something the Paladin would tell you."

@@HistorysRaven "But i dont wanna be sith. I dont want to be able to love, shoot awesome lightning and choke enemies without touching them"

...because 9 times out of ten, that amounts to BETRAYING YOUR GOD FOR PERSONAL GAIN!! Which loyal paladins would be absolutely against, for several reasons lol. Armies don't encourage desertion, religious orders don't encourage heretics, paladin orders are both of the former and oathbreakers are generally both of the latter

I just got this amazing visual in my head. An enemy Mage, beat up and bloody flees the battle. He steps out of the magical gateway into an empty alleyway and lets out a sigh of relief. Then his eyes go wide with fear when a few seconds later another portal opens and out steps the Paladin. He points his Flametongue Greatsword at the Mage and says "I am the one who knocks." And then he skewers the Mage on the end of his blade and walks away. This Paladin is Walter White in my head 😂

Warp Paladin: I must break you.

Alternatively: Out of 3rd lvl slots lol

alternative: You know in which general direction he went, he doesn't show up on your "mini map" so then the chase begins as you have to stalk him as he tries to flee.

You also have to factor in spell slots. They only get so many 3rd level slots That being said, I multiclassed out after 6 levels, so I don't get haste anyway. But warlock *does* get the new Spirit Shroud spell which is a d8 on every attack against creatures within 10', which that damage cannot be healed until the start of your next turn, and enemies speed is reduced by 10'

I thought my swashbuckler/battlemaster was great and useful in combat...and then the party's paladin walked up to the devil that had been giving us so much trouble and *stomped* it. Given how many campaigns use undead and fiends as frequent enemies, paladins are just about always great.

Agreed; Their base kit is really strong. Divine Smite, Lay on Hands, and Aura of Protection in particular are all incredibly useful.

For the Grace and the might of our Lords

SMITE

As a DM, I can agree! Not salty at all at my Paladin in my campaign... Not at all...

So true!

Paladins are just so good dude

Disagree lol

Agreed. My current group is playing CoS and the GM threw a horde of six or seven zombies at us. Forgetting that I was an Oath of Devotion Paladin. With Turn the Unholy. He was not happy when half his encounter fled from the fight in terror.

I haven't played that module but I would certainly agree. The subclass will stand out if the theme fits. Each will shine depending on what/where the campaign is at.

Same with Decent into Avernus. That devotion paladin is just ridiculous in the party I DM in.

Eh, Paladins in general are S tier for Strahd. A single smite round from 3 paladins if at least two crit can one round kill strahd. If one of them run sentinal, he can't use his legendary action to run away either.

Therein lies the "situational" bit they mentioned. In the right situation Devotion is absolutely going to have its way with Fiends or Undead. It's honestly probably the BEST choice in that circumstance.

Or be a yuan ti or satyr

*resistance to damage from spells you mean. sorry, had to do it ;)

@@BoredMarcus No, pseudo dragons get advantage on saves against magic and have the ability to share that. This way you can have that and the halfed damage.

I'm getting a Kratos vibe off this, and I love it!

What race did you pick with that

@Pelinal Whitestrake depends how you play it out. Being more "original" doesn't necessarily makenit more interesting, all about how you rp. Along the way you could realise that you've let anger consume you and relinquish that desire, or maybe you start off not put for vengeance and a string of events convinces you thats the path to follow. Also: just bc somethings a trope, doesn't mean everyone's experienced. I've had 4 character in 3 campaigns and only once did someone in the campaigj have dead parents, so playing a character with dead parents would actually be a new and interesting choice for me. 😃

@@FlyAbove you could be any really, with all the different pantheons and such. Tiefling might be interesting as it might seem like some cosmic joke to imbue a child of the race with divine power considering their infernal heritage. Maybe a more "jolly" race such as a Halfling or Gnome, showing how despite their good nature this person has been utterly broken. Alternatively, you might come across as very friendly and nice and keep this struggle of yours private.

@Pelinal Whitestrake I mean if that's the case then fair enough. I find it also comes down to style of play as well. Campaigns I've been in tend to he more character than action based, and tho we RP quite well the focus is mainly on the quest and the combat, and character growth takes a backseat. However I've just started DMing Descent Into Avernus, and with the way the story is set up characters will end up engaging with their past and various misdeeds. Dead parents could actually be interesting if their souls ended up in hell?

🔊 BASS

Almost perfect prediction

@@Quipek they underrated a lot AoE fear which disallows to repeat saves immediately and permanent Charisma to Damge, imo

I won’t rate the oathbreaker I haven’t played it yet so you are probably right

@@Quipek "He" did indeed predicted the video :p

A Theros Satyr Oath of the Ancients paladin. Because they're also thematically appropriate!

What about two yuan-ti pureblood oath of the ancients paladins

@@oliverwilhelm6171 Multiclass, Satyr Oath of Ancients Paladin/Monk. "Make me make a Saving Throw. I dare you."

add shield master on top of it, then you will not take a lot of spell or aoe damage.

I prefer Satyr, much more thematic for the oath.

I'm playing oath of devotion as my first 5e character now and I'm having a blast. :) I feel like it is most emblematic of who a paladin is and also what a paladin should be doing. A support tank.

It's clear they're ranking these based on offensive power rather then defensive/ healing utility, which is weird for a tank class that's built for those things. But whatever if you want to rank a non-DPS class based on DPS go for it

@@agentchaos9332 But paladins as you can see, ARE huge damage dealers. Stacking multiple smites outclass a lot of other classes, and multiclassing just makes you a fucking 40-50+ damage average monster on the battlefield.

@@agentchaos9332 I get their mentality as D&D 5e really screams "the best defensive is a good offensive", but you do make a great point. Devotion is in my opinion one of the best subclass's for Paladin because it combines both offensive & defensive and is much more flexible than say Vengeance who, yes can kill 1 enemy quicker, can't really do much else. Vengeance is still amazing, and Ancients is amazing for defensive (mostly), but Devotion is just amazing for its ability to do a little of both really well.

@@agentchaos9332smites are insanely high damage if you build for them. And you have spell slot smites as bonus actions, lol. And multiple attacks

@@rule-of-three1483 Not a "right" way, but rather a "this might be more potent than that"- way, which is what a tier list is about.

I think a lot of their rankings are based on playstyle preference, or taking a subclass in a vacuum. Which is their right... it's their channel. I just disagree with a lot of their assertions.

@@rule-of-three1483 I understand where you are coming from, but im really curious where you would want Monty to admit bias. If you agree with the notion that you can represent classes and subclasses in a tier-list and make transparent criteria for that tier list and then apply those criteria to get a power ranking, i really dont see where the bias would be. Do you reject the notion that some subclasses are stronger than others? Do you reject the criteria they put in place to measure a subclasses power? Do you reject the application of montys categorization? On what level does the bias occur? Imho it only occurs on the last level.

@@rule-of-three1483 You're not wrong, but it would be pretty hard to rank anything at all without some subjective bias cropping in about what games they've experienced. I mean, you could take literally the worst class in the game, and if someone only ever plays with a DM that delivers a playstyle that caters DIRECTLY to that class, it'll still be pretty great. By which I mean, unless we make certain assumptions about what will happen in the game, ranking is utterly impossible.

My problem with Kelly is he always concedes to Monty's opinion. Have a backbone dude you make good points.

Same here!

I see you are a man of culture as well , DEUS VULT

Yes its time for Deus Vult!

It’s over powered but if your dm is actually enforcing the oath is hard to follow with a party.

I'm playing an oath of conquest paladin in descent into avernus. She is a noble background and takes her future as a leader seriously. She also is "conquesting" her way through hell, so it works out

And then the Winged Kelly arrives....

That sounds pretty cool, which subclass do you normally go with?

@@kalebramirez9563 I actually like Oath of the Crown as it allows be to tank even when I pose less of a threat, but which one is the best depends on party comp. If the party has low wisdom Devotion, if the party needs a tank use Crown, if you can't see a clear weakness go for Ancients. It's a nice alternative to the all offense Vengeance or Conquest paladins.

I also dislike Vengeance Paladin. For the Aura reason, but also just find it boring, and vanilla. Everyone uses the "but the spell list" argument... as though paladins cast spells. Listen folks.. getting haste AT 9th LEVEL is 4 levels too late to be relevant. Ask one of your friends to make a Sorcerer and they can TWIN HASTE you and the rogue/fighter/any martial. That way you can be a good little paladin and use your spell slots to smite. I also will multiclass Hexblade on literally EVERY paladin so.. capstones are irrelevant, and I'm looking for what synergizes best with Pact of the Blade / Hexblade, and sadly Vengeance ranks quite low for the way I build a paladin character.

@@minionofhavoc7266 I would take Conquest over Vengeance EVERY time. Especially.... if you take Fallen Aasamar for their level 3 racial ability to AoE fear. The synergy is delicious.

@@KatanaKamisama I agree the synergy in that combination is phenomenal, but if you're looking to just stick enemies to you, Champion's Challenge from oath of the Crown is strictly better than oath of Conquest's aura of conquest until you reach 18th level paladin. I also think Vow of Enmity + Hexblade's Curse + Hex or Hunter's Mark sound's like a brutal combo so I wouldn't completely rule out Oath of Vengeance.

Bunching up against damage sure, but some of those control and disorient type spells might end up allowing your party to get wrecked

@@miracleman.0126 Perhaps, but a lot less likely when everyone has +5 to saves. Depends if you know what you're up against. Like you know you're gonna be in for constant fireballs, then do it. Also most dungeons have very confined spaces so within 10ft is quite common.

I mean as someone else above said, paladins are pretty much all S tier already regardless of subclass.

@@j.a.6310 That is very true. What I was trying to imply is even if paladin was the worst class I'd still give them all an S regardless. If been playing mostly Paladins (or the paladin archetype) in rpgs 20 years.

@@j.a.6310 true. Even the "worst" Paladin subclass are better than most other classes subclasses.

@@TheHutt0326 totally, i played a dwarf vengeance paladin in my first full campaign ever (ToA) and loved it. Always want to play another paladin to get that fix. My DM has a homebrew rule that you have to call smites before you roll to attack (you dont waste the smite on a miss its just to reduce crit fishing) and even with that "nerf" its still an incredible class

@@TheHutt0326 nah devotion and crown are for sure a lol.

Judge Dredd: I am the law!

i love oath of vengeance as well but it gets such a bad rep from the players who play to win. i played in a campaign with a guy who said how his character was an oath of vengenace paladin every other second. yet he never mentioned his deity a single time and wouldnt even tell us what his oath was. in other words he didnt care about the subclass, just how "good" it was -_-

@@kyle21843 Ahhh, so a Min-Maxer who doesn’t take part in RP. That’s very unfortunate honestly. I’ll admit I’m 60% Min-Maxer/40% RP; I create detailed characters and jot down the classes that’d match, then I figure out “what can be my job in the party? Maybe damage?” Then I’ll work on that.

@@kyle21843 5e paladins dont require a diety.

In monk ranking it did happen

yeah it almost seems like the only reason they have two guys is to be "different" but the other is just a talking head.

@@madhurdhingra4525 it was more of an in-between in that one, and it was still not a lot Kelly.

I think that's just the nature of Monty being more experienced than Kelly. Monty's played/ran previous editions. Kelly's first edition was this one

@@mitchelltyner5670 I mean no hate to either of them. I really like their dynamic. The trend is just something I noticed.

Oath of the stache

_The 'Stache in Black fled across the desert_ _And the Homebrewer followed..._

Did your dwarf come back as their Aasimar version, or did they become someone new?

@@GrassPokeKing So i'll write what happened and give a TL:DR at the end of the post. So the way it happened was I wanted to switch my character out in the death house for a homebrew crazy necrowizard pixie so my dwarf was going to go back home and the pixie would come. My pixie however got treated badly being grabbed by the party all the time so she left and joined strahd so i wanted to go back to the dwarf. The twist was the dwarf instead of getting sent back to his homeworld was being experimented on (We were level 2) by shar who was controlling the strings of fate and was wanting to find the power of paladin oaths. My dwarfs body was destroyed and his soul put into a new aasimar body but his memories got pushed down so he forgot temporarily who he was before. My dwarfs mother was a cleric of moradin so made her prayer for Moradin to save her son and he intervened and saved him from that situation and brought him back to where he was before which was barovia back to the party. There is a tower in COS, not sure if homebrew) that has an anti-magic field that rejogged his memory while he was in it but when he left was back to not remembering everything. After some convincing by the confused members of the party and the players at the table my dwarf made a diary in the tower that only he would remember when he came back out. Over time he has slowly regained his old memories. Definitely liked how he was brought along by the DM. TL:DR- Yes old consciousness in a new aasimar body. Cleric levels are because Moradin saved him, Paladin when he remembered his original path.

Great idea!

@@phillconklin382 thanks.

Catching up on these analysis videos and it's always interesting to see which combos people recognize early on and which they only get later, usually after playing a class and figuring out how to optimize stuff. :D

True, but a downed character is -1. I charmed character can be -2 immediately and turn into minus-more very quickly if it is your barbarian friend.

To be fair, if there is one party member you do not want to get brainwashed, it’s the one with the highest defense, hit points, and at least one of the highest damage per second complete with a healing pool they can use on themselves. That is the kind of class you should be glad is on your side.

@@JaelinBezel Exactly! It's why a guaranteed immunity to a very dangerous condition with a 10-30ft. aura is so good to have on a Paladin. Having Aura of Protection isn't foolproof, you could have shit luck on a save when it matters or have the DC for the charmed condition be super high

@@luigifan4585 yea but it’s not about the fact it doesn’t help with those things. The other Paladin subclasses don’t, and just because warding doesn’t give that, doesn’t mean that warding isn’t amazing for halving huge aoe damage on your party. Focusing so much on, “yea but it’s not a perfect ability”, doesn’t mean it’s not amazing! You could view any ability that way and it would seem worse. Remember, this aura is passive.

@@pnutbteronbwlz9799 Never said Aura lf Warding wasn't good. I just personally value being immune to a condition that can basically flip your party's power drastically just that much.

Paladin Smites and Fighters getting 3 attacks is just incredible in combat. Also incredibly scary if the DM uses them against you. My Rogue almost got one-shot by a Battlemaster Orc that hit him all three times. If he happened to crit i would have died. XD

@@jcdenton2187 yeah, it is really scary, this multiclass allows a player to do an absurd amount of damage so early in the game, just the combination of the channel divinity with action surge is absurd, 4 attacks with advantage where you add together superiority die and divine smite, is just too much.

@@alexsantos-hc4io really any class with an Action Surge can be very scary. Action Surge is basically a once a day Legendary Action for players. Although i haven't played a high enough level to make use of it yet, i want to play a Rogue combined with 5 levels of Champion Fighter. Archery Fighting style, Second Wind, Action Surge, Two Attacks, and Improved Critical, is a great compliment to Rogues from what I've seen.

@@jcdenton2187 oh it sounds very cool, especially if you can make use of elven accuracy

@@alexsantos-hc4io I could see that. Although i probably won't use it cause I'm personally not that big on elves lol. Also Tasha's gives the Rogue Steady Aim as a bonus action at level 3, giving you advantage on a ranged attack but reducing your movement speed to 0 until the end of your turn. Basically free sneak attack if you're in a good spot where you don't need to move. It's so good and helped me get the killing shot on the Battlemaster Orc boss in that game.

Scout, phantom, and swashbuckler. I submit these are the best ones

As a guy who's played swashbuckler to level 12 it is very overrated. The one on one sneak attack feature in particular is redundant virtually every fight.

Arcan trickster has to be S tier... It does everything a rogue does, and it gets magic too give them even more flexibility/utility... A rogue with a familiar, shadow blade, invisibility, mirror image, minor illusion, a sneaky mage hand... is all jusy extra gravy

@@calyokayu2320 are you stacking booming blade on top? Magic initiate and mage slayer are insane against spell casters.

Inquisitive definitely not above a B, probably C, too dependent on the DM making it useful to be an S or A.

ya I'm hella confused why the Oathbreaker from the DMG is included but not the Oath of the Crown?

Yes it will.

Oath Of The Crown is one of my favorite Tank/offensive one. The combo to do make enemies to not be able to run out of 30ft of you until they take you down with Spirit Guardians. Is awesome with group of enemies, which is rare for paladins. A most for this type is to go with a Shield, and is a most to get War priest or Resilient (Constitution) feat. Sentinel is recommended. Enemies can't scape this one, and been hard to hit they will die trying, while focus on the paladin, group can pick the lower hp ones.

2-handed Character that have decent AC, would love to have a Oath Of The Crown at 5ft. This paladin can do a warding bond, combine with any THP like Heroism, the dmg reduction is so much on hit, that doing "Divine Allegiance" all day, will not really hurt the paladin and the one warded will avoid dmg altogether. Making the enemies not very effective on dealing dmg to "the right hand" of a Oath Of The Crown paladin.

Yeah, I would think A or S. From my experience Vengeance, Conquest and Ancient are the Top 3 (best offense, best controle, best defense).

For style alone they are S+. You don't care what or if your target has done anything vile. You crush them for the sole sin of opposing you.

Right, but it has a very short duration, so it can be hard to get it off before the DM has the party roll initiative. Granted, some DM's are more permissive in pre-battle actions than others, but the timing on it is still very fiddly.

Sure! You just do nothing and then there's a giant monster that's right next at you. It's often just no time for blessings...

I really like that idea and might use that to play an Oathbreaker in a non-evil party.

@@jcdenton2187 Thanks, I got the idea when the DM said they were homebrewing alignment and deity a bit since they felt the systems in 5e for them weren't that great (in their opinion). So for a game that is already messing with what alignment and religion means for the players, I thought having a character based around questioning those seemed like the perfect fit. We are still in early game (level 3) so I've yet to see really how it is going to play out, but my hopes are high.

Not to mention that all of your auras also affect your mounts. Your horse might actually survive of fireball.

@@jordanwhite8718 With Mounted Combatant it should

Neat idea!

Hol up lemme just also take one level into forge cleric and make rust monsters my lil hoes

Its painful how unoriginal you are. Firstly, "laughs in" is so overused. You may as well be a clone of everyone else that says it because you have know unique identity to set you aside from anyone else. Secondly. The amount of people to turn to rust monster as the answer to all melee is yet another strike at your lack of originality, go you, 2 for 2. FYI. Rust monster doesn't work on magical weapons, which a Paladin can transform his own non magic weapon into one via a spell. You bellend

@@Jk-zv6tz ya didnt have to go that hard on em dude

@@KikinCh1kin I go hard in without lube. Max tear.