Panel III Science and Consciousness

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TheChopraFoundation

TheChopraFoundation

9 жыл бұрын

This panel discusses " What is the Universe?" as well as " What is the basis of consciousness?" with Leonard Mlodinow, Michael Shermer, Menas Kafatos, Bernardo Kastrup, Neil Theise, Rudolph Tanzi, Henry Stapp, and Deepak Chopra.

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@reinhardjung3258
@reinhardjung3258 7 жыл бұрын
These panels are milestones in the history of science and are part of the paradigm shift that is already happening. Thank you so much, Deepak!
@hannaraoul7731
@hannaraoul7731 3 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤🙏🏻
@samrowbotham8914
@samrowbotham8914 4 жыл бұрын
We need much more of these types of symposiums I am an Idealist and find that Kastrup can articulate and elucidate what I have instinctively felt all of my life that what we call reality is a dream world and the name of the game is to become lucid. The Materialist assumption is that its all in the brain but the medical findings of Dr John Lorber show this assumption is false.
@PauloConstantino167
@PauloConstantino167 7 жыл бұрын
sOME PEOPLE ARE NOT SKEPTICS OF THEIR OWN SKEPTICISM.
@arthurw8054
@arthurw8054 5 жыл бұрын
I disagree with Deepak's assertion that "they're not going to solve the hard problem tonight" since Bernardo has already solved it.
@Cpt_Guirk
@Cpt_Guirk 5 жыл бұрын
He didn't solve it. He circumvented it. The hard problem is a problem constructed by an ontology of materialism.
@samrowbotham8914
@samrowbotham8914 4 жыл бұрын
@@Cpt_Guirk In the ontology of idealism there is no hard problem so yes Bernardo has solved it we are all Alters wrapped in a Markov blanket! Read The Idea of the World its a wonderful, powerful elucidation of Idealism. The Universe is undoubtedly Mental in nature being dreamed by Cosmic Mind.
@Cpt_Guirk
@Cpt_Guirk 4 жыл бұрын
@@samrowbotham8914 "@UCFD1utio6vtJ_5sPHdcdH3Q In the ontology of idealism there is no hard problem so yes Bernardo has solved it we are all Alters wrapped in a Markov blanket!" Just in the interest of argumentation if there is "no problem" then there is nothing to solve. Solving requires a problem and as you stated there is no problem. The easy problem is the real problem the idealist has to solve. Thanks for the suggested reading. I will definitely check it out. I've been fascinated by chaos theory and fractals for a while and I am trying tap into the idea of scales of consciousness as a means to deal with the easy problem and its ultimate basis in pure mind.
@Vito_Tuxedo
@Vito_Tuxedo Ай бұрын
For those whose concept of communication is a game of one-upsmanship -- using skepticism for skepticism's sake masquerading as a demand for evidentiary "objective truth" -- the minimum criterion for what they will agree constitutes "evidence" is a moving target. They minimize, deprecate, or simply reject anything that they're unwilling to recognize. Their purpose in communicating is not to understand; rather, it is to win arguments. They're certain they're not confused or mistaken. "But here is this fact...", you say. Nope...that's not a fact, that's a "subjective opinion" -- their pseudo-civilized version of an _ad hominen_ attack. It's a tactic that handily sidesteps the truth that *_all_* facts -- indeed, everything we call _knowledge_ -- is ultimately subjective. Nothing can be known without a knower; nothing can be perceived without a perceiver; nothing can be observed without an observer. Apparently, they hope no one will notice that intellectual sleight of hand. Then they turn around and deny the very objectivity they were demanding by flip-flopping into an absurdity like, "You can't prove that I exist." Right. But that blows your demand for some kind of "objective proof " out of the water. You can't prove that I exist either, so why are you so adamant about arguing with someone you just made up? If you don't want to continue the discussion because either one or both of us might be a fiction we've made up, you only have to say so, and I'll talk to someone else who's interested in actually communicating. When I encounter such people, I save myself the trouble of trying to explain. You cannot communicate with people who insist on placing the discussion within a framework in which they are the sole arbiters of truth. It's a game in which mutual respect is not a rule of engagement, and mutual understanding is not a goal, much less a preferred outcome. It is inconceivable to them that there is anything they could be missing, or any prejudice in their presumption of intellectual superiority. Such arrogance is impenetrable. You can't communicate with someone who doesn't want to understand.
@glynemartin
@glynemartin 6 жыл бұрын
Consciousness is so ordinary that it's Extra-Ordinary...
@jonjonink
@jonjonink 6 жыл бұрын
I wish people would stop citing Dean Radin. The man claims to bend spoons with his mind.Johnny Carson debunked Uri Gellar ,the most famous spoon bender.I don't dispute that everything we can know starts with consciousness but people who make these wild claims with no data to back it up only hurts the consciousness argument.
@claudiochianese9850
@claudiochianese9850 5 жыл бұрын
I never read Dean Radin engaging with macro-PK. I don't even think he personally believes in it. Nevertheless, all his research is about statistical anomalies on large batteries of tests.
@samrowbotham8914
@samrowbotham8914 4 жыл бұрын
You never read anything written by Radin that is axiomatic with that asinine comment.
@crazyeyedme4685
@crazyeyedme4685 4 жыл бұрын
Wow...."you cannot prove that i exist"...such a hollow statement, and ignorant to both the history and future of consciousness itself.
@PaulizzleWu
@PaulizzleWu 6 жыл бұрын
Deepak Chopra is quite annoying i must say
@samrowbotham8914
@samrowbotham8914 4 жыл бұрын
You know what Jung said about that, don't you? Its really you projecting.
@ashyboy1324
@ashyboy1324 3 жыл бұрын
Leonard mlodinow is the worst
@georgegrubbs2966
@georgegrubbs2966 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing how so-called "smart" people can convince themselves of ridiculous concepts. (Kastrup and the Idealism school).
@puluzo
@puluzo 4 жыл бұрын
Isaac Newton was highly religious and he tried to find the secret in the Bible.
@georgegrubbs2966
@georgegrubbs2966 4 жыл бұрын
@@puluzo So true, and he said the Trinity was false, and had doubts about Jesus' divinity. Sadly, he spent a huge amount of time searching for secret codes in the Bible that he could have used on real science. He found nothing in the Bible of course.
@crazyeyedme4685
@crazyeyedme4685 4 жыл бұрын
Im not sure as to what your specifically referring to by "so called smart people" and "idealism school" but i think i have an idea, lol. What do you dislike about Bernardos views? Im super super curious. I would agree that it is amazing what any one person can convince themselves of. Its also amazing what any one person can deny themselves of...
@georgegrubbs2966
@georgegrubbs2966 4 жыл бұрын
@@crazyeyedme4685 Kastrup and the Idealism school is what I was referring to. I don't dislike views, but I do disagree with them. I don't agree with "Idealism" in any form, and that is what Kastrup is espousing. Yes, many people stare at evidence, and then dismiss it.
@crazyeyedme4685
@crazyeyedme4685 4 жыл бұрын
@@georgegrubbs2966 yeah. I think i know what ur saying. When u think of idealism do you think of words and ideas that end with "ism"s or "ists"s? Lol. A lot of very smart people have searched for reason and purpose behind consciousness and existence itself for centuries. The answer to the whys and the hows may be as simple as "because it can". I pretty much see existence as a game, and since i cant remember ever not having existed, i haave no reason to wonder about any afterlife. I think a lot of people get hung up on needing a non-self derived purpose/reason/direction. I personally did enjoy ppl like Bernardo, Donald Hoffman, rupert sheldrake shit on youtube when i first discovered it all but its deffinatly psst the honeymoon phase. Good thing too...getting too deep into shit like that is just another form of stagnation..
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