Christian and Jewish churches all merge together when Jesus Christ comes down again. Or he creates a new church.

The truth must be revealed that's all. It can't be a merger as much as it just will be Christ continuing to reveal the truth

The anthropomorphic God of the LDS faith, and the henotheism of the LDS faith would seem to forever preclude any joining of the two faiths.

​@@rodneyjamesmcguireLatter-day Saints are not henotheists. Henotheism allows for the legitimate worship of other gods, whereas Latter-day Saints reserve true worship for "the only true God" (John 17:3). We believe in what I would call "kingship monotheism"-a monotheism that recognizes that no other divine beings (those who partake of the divine nature [2 Pet 1:3-4]) would exist without the Supreme Being-God the Father-ruling over them. They are subject to him and do only those things that God wills them to do.

What other issues would need to be overcome for Evangelicals and Latter-day Saints to merge??? Well... all EV's would have to admit what God the Father really is or... Hell would have to freeze over first. 😇

What a great story! I didn't know this. ❤

Beautiful story! Yes; that is a perfect example.

My parents helped with the tabernacle choir touring in Mexico and one of the locations they sang at was a Catholic church and the priest came out and basically said he was so happy to help build a relationship between the two faiths (I summed up what he actually said.) Really cool experience though that my parents got to be a part of.

Wow!. That was amazing. What a cool experience!!! The world would be a much more beautiful place if we could all treat each other that way. This is the the purpose of Christ's message and teachings.

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Amen 🙏🏾

And, really, what else matters? Doctrines are developed by man, faith is from God🙏 better to bend the knee on this side of the veil…

I will amend that only with 'as attested by the Holy Ghost'. For though an angel or even Christ himself were to appear before us, without the witness of the Holy Ghost to accompany the experience, we will not see or retain its reality..

...what is the Christ? what is the "anointed one"?

@@BGCflyer He who suffered and was crucified for all mankind, that by him, and through him all mankind will be resurrected, and that by adhering to the Gospel, we may be redeemed and receive glory, even as Christ recieved glory from Father.

Hopefully entering into the realm of cooperation and unified action.

What do you suppose the Millennium is for?

Well, correct in a way. 39,999 will just cease to exist. They wont merge, they either join His Kingdom or wander off to the other side to lessor degrees of glory

@@calblue95482 39 999 denominations? That's a false claim. The real answer is that there is much less kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bbynZK533Ku4kqM.html

The Savior prayed that his apostles to be one as you and I are one. In other words in full unity.not conflict

Soooooo True!

Ironically, they seem to be merged in committing the evils, in other words, they commit to uniting in opposing the fruits of the spirit, and the top commands of Christ.

What a cool story. You will have a great perspective on a mission because of your conversion. Thanks for sharing.

That is awesome, and welcome to the fold. I hope you’ve recognized Gods hand as he’s guided you. Thanks for sharing!

Jeff was an on-ramp for you. Awesome 🙏💟 share this with David Alexander 😅

Amazing story!

Yes let David know this!!!​@@zionmama150

Respect

I stop using that word years ago. I am just a child of God.

Christian literally means follower of Christ

My point exactly!!!

Do you have somewhere I can hear your conversion story? That’d be complete awesomeness.

Agreed as a lds memeber I think it would be great if we could work with other churches even if we have diffrent beliefs

@@TheIceMan44 as a born-again Christian, that would be fine assuming we work towards helping those that need our physical support. However, we would have to agree that teaching those that need spiritual support, then we will begin to fall apart.

Evangelicals and lds are both notorious for fighting AGAINST freedom of religion…

Love this so much! Live so he says well done thou good and faithful servant! Not running up and saying Lord Lord! And him saying I know you not!

Which "Christ" ? The LDS brother of Lucifer one?

I'm talking about the one who exemplifies sacrifice for humanity, the one who loves more than himself, the one who seeks to do good. That Christ is found in the literature of all the faiths of those speaking in this video, and those aspects are what matters most. And if one is looking beyond that, we truly are looking beyond the mark as what matters most. Everything else is secondary to his goodness and grace. @@dnzswithwombats

@@jaredhutchinson4629 Are you LDS, if you don't mind me asking? Either way., what you do there in what you wrote is put platitudes above Jesus and above God as some standard God conforms to. God is the standard.

@@dnzswithwombatsI think we are making this more complicated. At least more complicated than what I find in the scriptures and I assume what Christ wanted it to be for us. All I know is when it comes to being Christian, Christ said: "Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

Very well said, and I have the same situation in my family....I can't ever express my love for my Evangelical Christian in laws, they are the greatest example of what Christianty is to me. I love them as I love anyone on this earth and I know they are my brother and sister's in the gospel of Jesus Christ and I will see them in Heaven, they are Heavenly Fathers choice servents on this earth.

@susiesmith2052 Masonic ceremonies teach to love others? So why have the Lds constantly fight against the rights of women, LGBTQ+ community and ethnic minorities? Why did its leaders command and commit abuse of women and children? Families are already connected in heaven without the abusive behaviour of the Mormon church.

@@brendachild8685 You just restated the exact problem @ackhak expressed.

@@brendachild8685 Thanks for proving my point

​@@ackhakJoseph Smith said that all the creeds of Christianity were an abomination. Christians are deceived by Satan, anti Christ, have the spirit of the devil in them and are all wrong.

The issue is that the Jesus that you follow and the Jesus that Christians follow are fundamentally different things. The law of non contradiction tells us that something cannot be and not be at the same time. So, the Jesus that Christian’s follow cannot be the Jesus that you follow. The two fundamentally different Jesuses cannot both be the actual Jesus. You can be right or I can be right, but we cannot both be right about Jesus. I would say that a Christian wouldn’t care if you told them they weren’t a Christian because you are a non Christian telling them that.

@@michaelsterling2650 Although LDS may teach a different Jesus, the Jesus Christ of the Book of Mormon is the same as the Jesus Christ of the Bible. Book of Mormon Title page: And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting Himself unto all nations. Mosiah 5:44 (7:27 LDS) And because he said unto them, that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; Mosiah 8:13 (13:34 LDS) Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth? 3 Nephi 4:42-44 RLDS (9 LDS) Yea, verily I say unto you, If ye will come unto me, ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me. Behold I am Jesus Christ, the son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. 2 Nephi 11 RLDS (2 Nephi 25 LDS) "Yea, behold, I say unto you, that as these things are true, and as the Lord God liveth, there is none other name given under heaven, save it be this Jesus Christ of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved."

Amen! It would be even better if @hellosaints were willing to accept that we’re NOT a cult and actually admit that we’re Christian too though it would probably kill him to do so. 😉 We love you Jeff! Eventually you’ll learn…

Jesus Christ is God! Book of Mormon Title page: And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting Himself unto all nations. Mosiah 5:44 (7:27 LDS) And because he said unto them, that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; Mosiah 8:13 (13:34 LDS) Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth? 3 Nephi 5:14 RLDS (11:14 LDS) And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto them, saying, Arise and come forth unto me, that ye may thrust your hands into my side, and also that ye may feel the prints of the nails in my hands, and in my feet, that ye may know that I am the God of Israel, and the God of the whole earth, and have been slain for the sins of the world. 3 Nephi 9:19 RLDS (19:18 LDS) And behold they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.

Joseph Smith said . . . (Regarding Joseph Smith’s alleged first vision where celestial personages appeared to him) . . . “My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right - and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6). “What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 270). (In questions directed to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism . . . ). First-“Do you believe the Bible?” If we do, we are the only people under heaven that do, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do.” Third-“Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?” Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.” (Teachings, page 119). Brigham Young said. . . “But He did send His angel to this same obscure person, Joseph Smith jun., who afterwards became a Prophet, Seer, and Revelator, and informed him that he should not join any of the religious sects of the day, for they were all wrong,” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, 1855, p. 171). John Taylor said . . . “We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsens . . . Myself and hundreds of the Elders around me have seen its pomp, parade, and glory; and what is it? It is a sounding brass and a tinkling symbol; it is as corrupt as hell; and the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, 1858, p. 167).

The son of GOD, still a GOD himself, as is the Holy Ghost. Three entities, one in purpose.​@@joesimpson9230

@@rodbrannon1647 There is only one God. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost is one God. LDS leaders teach contrary to the Book of Mormon and the Bible. Alma 8 79-82, 104 RLDS (11:26-29 LDS) And Zeezrom saith unto him: "Thou sayest there is a true and a living God?" And Amulek saith: "Yea, there is a true and a living God." Now Zeezrom saith: "Is there more than one God?" And he answered: "No." And shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son and God the Father and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, To be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. 2 Nephi 13:32 (31:21 LDS) And now behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, And the only and true doctrine of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God without end. Amen. Mormon 3:29 And He hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, Whereby he that is found guiltless before Him at the judgment day hath it given unto them to dwell in the presence of God in His kingdom, To sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above unto the Father and unto the Son and unto the Holy Ghost, which is one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. D&C LDS 20:28, RLDS 17:5h Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen. Book of Mormon - Testimony of the Three Witnesses And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen. Oliver Cowdery, David Whitmer, Martin Harris. Luke 10:23 Inspired Version (Joseph Smith Translation) All things are delivered to me of my Father; and no man knoweth that the Son is the Father, and the Father is the Son, but him to whom the Son will reveal it. Mosiah 8:28-32 RLDS (15:1-5 LDS) And now Abinadi saith unto them: "I would that ye should understand that God Himself shall come down among the children of men and shall redeem His people; And because He dwelleth in flesh, He shall be called the Son of God; And having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son - The Father, because He was conceived by the power of God, and the Son, because of the flesh, thus becoming the Father and Son, And They are one God, yea, the Very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth - And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, suffereth temptation and yieldeth not to the temptation, But suffereth Himself to be mocked and scourged and cast out and disowned by His people.

@@joesimpson9230 So you misunderstand? Maybe 🤔. They are separate beings. One in purpose. Long B4 I joined the LDS Church, they appeared to me. I don't need other accounts when I have seen for, myself. If I had such an encounter, as a little child, I'm sure many others have. I am a nothing individual, unimportant in my mind. You can find out for yourself, and should, if you care to know. Knowledge I have gained comes through to me personally. Reading scriptures is a good way to open the windows of Heaven. At times I've read, but received different information than was written on the page. I was given knowledge of what Heaven wanted me to receive, not necessarily what I was looking for. It isn't about who is right or wrong. Truth, doesn't change because we experience or understand differently.

Agreed. There will always be a disconnect between the two because they offer polar opposites of truth.

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr Right? Imagine a doctrine that says certain people are condemned to hell prior to birth, and then everyone that doesn’t make a nonsensical confession is condemned to hell. Your god doesn’t seem like a nice guy or have a very nice doctrine.

@@Kapayapaanman yall still talking about the Latter-Day Saints right? I don't know where you heard that but that's not any doctrine I know of.

@@Kapayapaanman your god will pretend you can, but reserves the right to change its mind at any time.

@@daydeer9912 I’m speaking to evangelical ideas

.....ooooohhh they're not going to like it when you call them Mormon!!!

1 Nephi 3:219-225 RLDS (1 Nephi 14: 9-10 LDS) And it came to pass that he saith unto me: "Look and behold that great and abominable church which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil." And he saith unto me: "Behold, there are save it be two churches - The one is the church of the Lamb of God, And the other is the church of the devil; Wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church which is the mother of abominations, And she is the whore of all the earth." And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth; And she sat upon many waters; And she had dominion over all the earth among all nations, kindreds, tongues and people.

The abominable church consists of all organizations, both known and secret, across the globe, that serve Satan's aims. We can clearly see it has infiltrated highest levels of government, industry, and education in many lands. To be clear, it does not consist of one "church" or denomination as we know them today.

@@joesimpson9230 , That Scripture means that the earth is being ran by wicked forces and the only way to escape their influences is by coming to Jesus.

@@explorerofmind True. And to come to Christ's true church...which is NOT just some 501c3 sect or denomination (i.e. LDS). D&C 10:67-68 LDS (D&C 3 RLDS) Behold, this is my doctrine: Whosoever repenteth and cometh unto me, the same is my church; whosoever declareth more or less than this, the same is not of me but is against me; therefore, he is not of my church.

@@joesimpson9230, To come unto Christ includes following him, his teachings, and keeping his sayings.

The Bible and the Book of Mormon agree regarding faith and works. A lot of the sequel stuff that would be hard for Evangelicals to accept are from teachings that were adopted by the LDS sect after Joseph Smith were murdered. Things that are both contrary to the doctrines of the Bible and the doctrines of the Book of Mormon. Things such as: 1.God once being a man (other than as manifested in flesh as Jesus Christ) 2. Men becoming Gods 3. A Heavenly Mother 4. God as three beings 5. Penal Oath temple rituals (Joseph Smith and BoM warn against them) 6. Temple recommends/requirements for the kingdom 7. Polygamy (Joseph Smith was not a polygamist, Brigham Young was) 8. Emphasis on expensive temples while there are poor among us. 9. Emphasis on following a false prophet / man, should only follow Jesus Christ 10. Definition of God's true church. (D&C 10:67-68) 11: “Covenant Path” rather than Doctrine of Christ 3 Nephi 5:32 RLDS (3 Nephi 11 LDS) 12. secret societies (Skull & Bones, Freemasonry)

Also the Angel Gabriel being Noah. Not once in the Bible did an Angel become a human for that amount of time. Just messengers for a short period. Humans and angels are separate created beings

@@joesimpson9230 you wrote, "Bible and the Book of Mormon agree regarding faith and works" NO. Not at all. Read Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9, John 3:16, Galatians 2:16, Romans 5:1, Romans 4:4-5 and Titus 3:4-5 to see just how wrong that statement really is. Incidentally, Joseph Smith WAS a polygamist. History reveals that so well.

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 Read these scriptures and see how the Book of Mormon does agree with the Bible on grace: 2 Nephi 11 RLDS (2 Nephi 25 LDS) "Yea, behold, I say unto you, that as these things are true, and as the Lord God liveth, there is none other name given under heaven, save it be this Jesus Christ of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved." 2 Nephi 7:42 RLDS And remember after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved. Mosiah 1:108 (3:12 LDS) But wo, wo unto him who knoweth that he rebelleth against God; for salvation cometh to none such, except it be through repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ. Mosiah 1:116-118 (3:17-18) And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given, nor any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men, only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent. For behold, he judgeth, and his judgment is just, and the infant perisheth not, that dieth in his infancy; But men drink damnation to their own souls, except they humble themselves, and become as little children, and believe that salvation was, and is, and is to come, in and through the atoning blood of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent: 2 Nephi 1:69 RLDS And by the law, no flesh is justified, or, by the law, men are cut off. 2 Nephi 13:28 RLDS Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far, save it were by the word of Christ, with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save; Mni 6:5 And their names were taken, that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God, to keep them in the right way, to keep them continually watchful unto prayer, relying alone upon the merits of Christ, who was the author and the finisher of their faith. 1 Nephi 3:193 And shall make known to all kindreds, tongues and people, that the Lamb of God is the son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior of the world; and that all men must come unto him or they can not be saved; 1N 5:135 And the labor which they had to perform was to look! and because of the simpleness of the way, or the easiness of it, there were many who perished. Mosiah 1:122 RLDS And behold, when that time cometh, none shall be found blameless before God, except it be little children, only through repentance and faith on the name of the Lord God Omnipotent;

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 True history, including court decision, confirms that Joseph Smith did not practice polygamy. It is only the corrupted, edited and false version of history from Brigham Young and his LDS sect that pretends otherwise. “One of the last things which Brigham Young had done before leaving Iowa, was to appear in the pulpit dressed to personate the worshiped and lamented prophet Smith, and confer the prophetic succession, with all its dignities, emoluments, and authorities, upon "President Brigham Young"! The people accepted the pious fraud with the maddest enthusiasm, and Brigham's power was sealed and secured for all time. Within five years after- ward he openly added polygamy to the tenets of the church by authority of a "revelation" which he pretended had been received nine years before by Joseph Smith, albeit Joseph is amply on record as denouncing polygamy to the day of his death.” Mark Twain (Roughing it, pgs. 307)

Which "Jesus" ?

Only if they believe in the true biblical Jesus, Mormonism is not biblical. Different Jesus, different gosple.

@@hollayevladimiroff131 Different god too.

​@@hollayevladimiroff131Thank you!

@@dnzswithwombats not the trinity jesus the bibical jesus

Fr we love yall

LDS does not believe in the Trinity

It would help relations between all religious groups if they would all stop proselytizing. That includes going door-to-door.

​@@kevins4254 We actually would rather not go door to door sometimes that is the only option. If we could come together more that would be ideal.

​@@kevins4254And what of Christ's command to His apostles saying ,"Go ye forth unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, teaching them and baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."?

Totally agree. I felt this was much better than many of the other videos.

@@solomoncasilen7362with the technology we have nowadays I’m sure there are other ways.

As a non denomination Christian, I have not considered LDS to be Christian due to the difference of how he's viewed. Christians do not believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers as procreated sons of Elohim. Rather, traditional Christians interpret the Bible to proclaim Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords manifested as the Son form of a triune God. Jesus is not just viewed as savior in traditional Christianity, He is Lord. That's why Pastor Jeff won't refer to the LDS as Christian versus other denominations. It's a major theological difference

@@vanishingsoon Your view of Mormonism seems to be closer to the anti-Mormon cartoon from the 80s called the Godmakers than to actual Mormonism. Title page of the Book of Mormon: “And also to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations.” Alma 11:34: “…and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God.” 3 Nephi 11:27: “verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one.” Doctrine & Covenants 38:1-3: “1 Thus saith the Lord your God, even Jesus Christ, the Great I Am, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the same which looked upon the wide expanse of eternity, and all the seraphic hosts of heaven, before the world was made; 2 The same which knoweth all things, for all things are present before mine eyes; 3 I am the same which spake, and the world was made, and all things came by me.” Mosiah 3: “5 For behold, the time cometh, and is not far distant, that with power, the Lord Omnipotent who reigneth, who was, and is from all eternity to all eternity, shall come down from heaven among the children of men, and shall dwell in a tabernacle of clay, and shall go forth amongst men, working mighty miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, causing the lame to walk, the blind to receive their sight, and the deaf to hear, and curing all manner of diseases. 6 And he shall cast out devils, or the evil spirits which dwell in the hearts of the children of men. 7 And lo, he shall suffer temptations, and pain of body, hunger, thirst, and fatigue, even more than man can suffer, except it be unto death; for behold, blood cometh from every pore, so great shall be his anguish for the wickedness and the abominations of his people. 8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and his mother shall be called Mary. 9 And lo, he cometh unto his own, that salvation might come unto the children of men even through faith on his name; and even after all this they shall consider him a man, and say that he hath a devil, and shall scourge him, and shall crucify him. 10 And he shall rise the third day from the dead; and behold, he standeth to judge the world; and behold, all these things are done that a righteous judgment might come upon the children of men. 11 For behold, and also his blood atoneth for the sins of those who have fallen by the transgression of Adam, who have died not knowing the will of God concerning them, or who have ignorantly sinned.” Alma 42:15 “15 And now, the plan of mercy could not be brought about except an atonement should be made; therefore God himself atoneth for the sins of the world, to bring about the plan of mercy, to appease the demands of justice, that God might be a perfect, just God, and a merciful God also.” Mosiah 15:1-4 “1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that God himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. 2 And because he dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the Father, being the Father and the Son- 3 The Father, because he was conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son- 4 And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth.”

Never heard of it. My viewpoint of LDS just comes from conversations with LDS friends after living in Utah for nearly 20 years. I can only go off of what I'm told by it's members

@@vanishingsoon You're quoting it almost verbatim, referring to Jesus and Satan being brothers, for example.

@@TheMightyJor truth be told, I had never heard of the term Godmakers. I have seen some cartoons that were labelled under a Mormon name. Nevertheless, I've had discussions about these topics with local Utah LDS and they would not deny these points. Therefore, as I said, I can only go off what your congregation members tell me. I even asked these questions as I toured the Church History museum in Salt Lake and had the same results. There's no condemnation here. Some of my greatest friends are LDS and we have these discussions all the time

You rejected identity in this community when you called all churches abominable. Live with it.

I always liked the duck analogy. Its like all "other Christian denominations" wont recognize us as a duck because we have different color feathers, even though we are a duck! However clearly, this is one of the instances where the Lord says, "blinded by the craftiness of men" and the adversary. And yet, they try to pin that on us!!

@@calblue95482 The table analogy they used bothered me. We don't want to sit at their table because it isn't their table. It is Jesus' table. It bothers me when they try to act like the gate-keepers when they don't have that authority.

If you had a friend that you knew really well and someone came up to you and said He’s my friend too and then you get to talking about this friend that you have in common and it doesn’t sound like the same person at all would it be fair to assume that you’re are not talking about the same person? Would I get mad at that person for saying I don’t think your friends with the guy I’m talking about.

@@annvanwest9822 that’s not what is happening here. We are talking about the same guy; we just know more stuff about him. You’re like, He never visited the Americas, and we are saying, yes He did; ask Him about it! It is offensive for you to claim to know the real Jesus and then say we know a false Jesus. It comes from recycled anti-Mormon tropes among evangelicals and is a way to scare evangelicals from taking the restored truth seriously. Any free thinking well informed evang will see past that framework given to you by your pastor. Plus it is just childish to hold someone’s Christianity hostage.

I was charismatic and we believe that God still speaks. I now attend the assemblies of God Church

The Bible is the reason. Evangelicals must pin everything on it because it provides a comfortable static base. It is a standard which allows them to claim authority rather than the priesthood as given in the early church.

if everyone just focused on ONE thing only, and that is the knowledge of Jesus death, burial and resurrection and put our faith and trust in Him as our God and Savior, then we can set aside any other differences and ideas. That core should be the one thing that keeps us all together.

Agreed, what an absurd statement. The entirety of Christendom recognizes mormonism as a false religion.

Most evangelicals think the BOM is false.

Your complaint is akin to an Muslim asking why Christians don’t believe in the Quran 😂

I believe some view the requirement to pay money and interview in order to qualify for going to fine sanctuaries to perform secret rituals in special garments to obtain promises of exaltation as cultish. Also direction to follow a man called the living prophet can be viewed as cultish. I understand from others that leaving can be quite a process, and certainly viewed as apostasy...breaking up eternal families, losing exaltation, etc.

Why should God have to continue to add? We have 2k years worth of scripture, of his Word to follow. Everything is laid out for us. God can't possibly make it any more clear. God does not change. We are also not within his time frame. 1 years for us could be 1 Day for him. Jesus Christ finished it. Jesus is enough. He is all sufficient. He is the last high priest. We have all We need through Christ alone

A bible we have. That is all we need. Well, God is a living God. He teaches us line upon line. Precept upon precept. If we tried to teach the Bible to the Israelites out of Egypt, they would not be ready for that. The same goes today. Satan wants you to believe that a Bible is all you need.

@@montiraruba2831 the Bible is all you need. Where else can we get truth from besides the Bible? As Allison Nicole stated, the Bible is all we need, it contains everything we need to develop our faith with Jesus. We can read just Romans 10:9 and have everything we need in one verse. The rest is just there to help us cope with life. If you have some other way to get Jesus 2.0 from someone else, then that is what Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24:26

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 no need to throw scriptures at me. All I am saying is that we need a second witness testifying the teachings of Jesus Christ. Having only one witness, The Bible, you can see how people interprets scriptures differently resulting many different churches. A second witness will shed light unto the scriptures. The Book of Mormon stands as a second witness that testifies that Jesus is the Christ.

@@montiraruba2831 no need to throw scripture at you? Do you fear it? Does it bother you? If you read it instead of ignoring it, you'll see why you only need the Bible and not some fictional book masquerading as another scripture book. The b/M has no value to any Christian.

I believe there will be a merger just as Jesus Christ prayed for His church to be one. But both denominations will have to abandon falsehoods first. The Book of Mormon is true, and another witness of the same gospel of Jesus Christ as the Bible. Joseph Smith was a true prophet who worshipped Jesus Christ. The church was infiltrated by wicked men. When Joseph Smith was murdered, Brigham Young usurped control of the church and led some of the saints to SLC, Utah (many refused to follow him). Brigham Young introduced many false doctrines into that denomination including polygamy, men becoming Gods, Adam God, blood atonement of men, penal oath temple rituals, a Heavenly Mother, Lucifer being Jesus' brother, incorrect definition of Christ’s church, etc. None of that is in the Book of Mormon or teachings of Joseph Smith, but Brigham Young and the wicked leaders under and after him have pretended that it came from Joseph Smith in order to gain acceptance for their own evil and lustful desires. The LDS church of today is Brigham Young's denomination and is apostate from the teachings of the church under Joseph Smith.

I would argue that Christians and mormons have a fundamental difference in their respective belief systems, and that is the nature of Jesus. The chasm between the two beliefs about the nature of Jesus is insurmountable and enough to show that there are actually two separate religions. This isn’t a comment to denigrate or elevate either side, only to show that the two religions, by definition, worship different gods.

True!!! And I believe that in the end, God is not going to punish someone for being under false pretenses.

i spit out my coffee after reading that

Thank you for writing this Becci. I’ve spent the past defending Mormons because I did not actually look into what the LDS church teaches. I have read the book of Mormon, the doctrines and covenants, pearl of great price, I’ve also studied Joseph Smith, translation and rewriting of the Bible, the seer. If you change, who Jesus really was then, it doesn’t matter if you worship him or not. Fundamentally as Christians we are believe in core doctrine, there is only one. God, who manifested in the flesh, died for the sins of the world. You do have to understand that I am not trying to be mean, I love you, and I don’t know you. Orthodox Christianity is not works based. It’s not polytheism. read your own Bible and do your own homework. Walk away from organized religion. I stopped following denominations once I really understood Christianity. True Christianity is not a religion. It’s the way. If you understand the separation of sheep and goat’s judgment of the Bible, you will understand why you can call yourself a Christian and then Christ will say I knew you’re not. Please! Come home.

@@dfoster4234 The Book of Mormon is true, and another witness of the same gospel of Jesus Christ as the Bible. Joseph Smith was a true prophet who worshipped Jesus Christ. The church was infiltrated by wicked men. When Joseph Smith was murdered, Brigham Young usurped control of the church and led some of the saints to SLC, Utah (many refused to follow him). Brigham Young introduced many false doctrines into that denomination including polygamy, men becoming Gods, Adam God, blood atonement of men, penal oath temple rituals, a Heavenly Mother, Lucifer being Jesus' brother, incorrect definition of Christ’s church, etc. None of that is in the Book of Mormon or teachings of Joseph Smith, but Brigham Young and the wicked leaders under and after him have pretended that it came from Joseph Smith in order to gain acceptance for their own evil and lustful desires. The LDS church of today is Brigham Young's denomination and is apostate from the teachings of the church under Joseph Smith. Mosiah 5:44 (7:27 LDS) And because he said unto them, that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; Mosiah 8:13 (13:34 LDS) Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth? Alma 8 79-82, 104 RLDS (11:26-29 LDS) And Zeezrom saith unto him: "Thou sayest there is a true and a living God?" And Amulek saith: "Yea, there is a true and a living God." Now Zeezrom saith: "Is there more than one God?" And he answered: "No." And shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son and God the Father and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, To be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. 2 Nephi 11 RLDS (2 Nephi 25 LDS) "Yea, behold, I say unto you, that as these things are true, and as the Lord God liveth, there is none other name given under heaven, save it be this Jesus Christ of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved."

@@dfoster4234 I have read the Bible many, many times, and I will continue to read it. I love the Bible. I don’t see anything in it that contradicts the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Further, I have tried to understand the Trinity. Even before responding, I Googled again so as not to misrepresent it, but it is SO confusing and seems more a stretch to say Jesus was referring to Himself as The Father (multiple times) than to just accept that there is God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ (a separate being) and the Holy Spirit (a third being). The Bible makes SO much more sense to me through a Godhead lens than a Trinitarian one. It’s interesting to me that you (and so many other Christians) reduce identity as “Christian” to belief in this specific definition of Christ’s relationship to The Father. If in the Second Coming, Christ tells me He really is The Father as well as The Son and there is no other being who’s The Father, that all this time I’ve been praying to Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus, it was really just Jesus listening and there is no second Heavenly Father being, you think He’ll reject me because of that? Even though all this time I’ve been praying in the name of Jesus Christ, reading the Bible (yes, and other scriptures) and trying to follow the example He set during His mortal life as recorded in the New Testament? Personally, I feel much more strongly (even though we believe certain ordinances performed with legitimate authority are important) that all who believe in Christ and are trying to follow Him will be counted His in the Second Coming. I personally feel that scripture refers to those who say they’re Christian but don’t follow the gospel path or keep the commandments, or in other words, people who profess belief but actually are hypocrites. I don’t feel that applies to any particular denomination. But it could include people who attend any church, including the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The works hang-up is also one I don’t understand. Even after listening to Pastor Jeff for at least four months now, I still don’t really get this obsession with nitpicking works vs Grace. Christ told people to follow Him. He taught the commandments and a higher law, a code of conduct that would mark His followers as His. “If you love me, keep my commandments.” “Go and sin no more.” That’s literally all we’re trying to do. But of course, no person will be able to follow Christ perfectly. Even after our conversion and baptism, we’ll continue to fall short of His perfection. So we repent and try again to “sin no more”. And repent again. And again. And again… But every time, we don’t just sit down there in our sin and say, “Oh well. We’re imperfect creatures. It’s not possible for us to follow Christ. And it doesn’t matter what we do anyway, because Christ atoned for our sins.” I don’t believe that’s what you’re saying or what Pastor Jeff means either. So I’m still so confused about this “nuance” he tries to explain about what it is that we’re supposedly getting wrong about Grace. Or you including that in your comment. Anyway, I appreciate your concern for my eternal welfare and your love for Christ. I absolutely consider myself Christian, and I’m comfortable with leaving my judgement up to Him.

@@joesimpson9230 Joseph Smith absolutely taught that the Father and the Son were two separate beings. That was one of his key takeaways from the First Vision. Trying to present these scriptures as evidence that he believed otherwise is either confusion or disingenuous.

@@BecciBuck Try looking at his 1832 First Vision account...the only one actually written by Joseph Smith. In it you will read that he saw Jesus Christ. That account was torn from its journal and hid in the safe of Joseph Fielding Smith for decades while they taught plurality of Gods...and only returned after word of it got out.

I myself learn so much about my faith when I review other religions like Mormons, JW's, Catholics and Seventh-day Adventists. It helps me understand the Bible more because I need to come up with answers to the questions they have about our differences.

This is probably the closest to reality

Maybe not what you want, but what is needed. Correcting false doctrines in LDS such as: 1.God once being a man (other than as manifested in flesh as Jesus Christ) 2. Men becoming Gods 3. A Heavenly Mother 4. God as three beings 5. Penal Oath temple rituals (Joseph Smith and BoM warn against them) 6. Temple recommends/requirements for the kingdom 7. Polygamy (Joseph Smith was not a polygamist, Brigham Young was) 8. Emphasis on expensive temples while there are poor among us. 9. Emphasis on following a false prophet / man, should only follow Jesus Christ 10. Definition of God's true church. (D&C 10:67-68) 11: “Covenant Path” rather than Doctrine of Christ 3 Nephi 5:32 RLDS (3 Nephi 11 LDS) 12. secret societies (Skull & Bones, Freemasonry)

@@joesimpson9230 I was wondering about the best way to address your gish-gallop technique in a limited format such as this, but your point #7 made that unnecessary. The historical record is overwhelming that JS was absolutely a polygamist, and the LDS Church doesn’t need “correction” from anyone dishonest enough to argue otherwise.

@@mgy401 That is false as confirmed in court decision. Joseph Smith was only ever married to Emma Smith...just as he and Emma proclaimed. TEMPLE LOT SUIT Beyond all cavil, if human testimony is to place any matter for ever at rest, this church was one in doctrine, government, and purpose from 1830 to June, 1844, when Joseph Smith, its founder, was killed. It had the same federal head, governing bodies, and faith. During this period there was matter fundamental, or affecting its oneness. The only authorized and recognized books of doctrine and laws for the government of the church from 1830 to 1846 were the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Book of Doctrine and Covenants. The Book of Doctrine and Covenants, which consisted principally of claimed divine revelations to Joseph Smith, was the edition published atKirtland, Ohio, in 1835, and at Nauvoo in 1845.... There can be no question of the fact that Brigham Young's assumed presidency was a bold and bald usurpation. The Book of Doctrine and Covenants (printed in 1846) page 411, containing a revelation to Joseph Smith, January 19, 1841, gave unto them "my servant Joseph, to be a presiding elder over all my church, to be a translator, a revelator, a seer, and a prophet." ... The book clearly taught that the succession should descend lineally and go to the first-born. Joseph Smith so taught, and, before his taking off, publicly proclaimed his son Joseph, the present head of Complainant Church, his successor, and he was so anointed.... The Book of Mormon itself inveighed against the sin of polygamy.... Conformably to the Book of Mormon, the Book of Doctrine and Covenants expressly declared "that we believe that one man should have but one wife, and one woman but one husband." And this declaration of the church on this subject reappeared in the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, editions of 1846 and 1856. Its first appearance as a dogma of the church (the dogma of polygamy) was in the Utah Church in 1852. Claim is made by the Utah Church that this doctrine is predicated of a revelation made to Joseph Smith in July, 1843. No such revelation was ever made public during the life of Joseph Smith, and under the law of the church it could not become an article of faith and belief until submitted to and adopted by the church. This was never done .... The Utah Church further departed from the principles and doctrines of the original church by changing in their teaching the first statement in the Article of Faith, which was, "We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost," and in lieu thereof taught the doctrine of "Adam-god worship." ... It has introduced societies of a secret order, and established secret oaths and covenants, contrary to the book of teachings of the old church. It has changed the duties of the President, and of the Twelve, and established the doctrine to "Obey Counsel," and has changed the order of the "Seventy, or Evangelists." ... A considerable number of the officers and members of the church at Nauvoo did not ally themselves with any of the factions, and wherever they were they held onto the faith, refused to follow Brigham Young to Utah, and ever repudiated the doctrine of polygamy, which was the great rock of offense on which the church split after the death of Joseph Smith. In 1852 the scattered fragments of the church, the remnants of those who held to the fortunes of the present Joseph Smith, son of the so-called "Martyr," gathered together sufficiently for a nucleus of organization. They took the name of "The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints," and avowed their allegiance to the teachings of the ancient church; and their epitome of faith adopted, while containing differences in phraseology, in its essentials is but a reproduction of that of the church as it existed from 1830 to 1844. To-day they are twenty-five thousand strong. [At present, 1911, the membership is about sixty thousand. -- E. A. S.] It is charged by the Respondents, as an echo of the Utah Church, that Joseph Smith, "the Martyr," secretly taught and practiced polygamy; and the Utah contingent furnishes the evidence, and two of the women, to prove this fact. It perhaps would be uncharitable to say of these women that they have borne false testimony as to their connection with Joseph Smith; but, in view of all the evidence and circumstances surrounding the alleged intercourse, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that at most they were but sports in "nest hiding." In view of the contention of the Salt Lake party, that polygamy obtained at Nauvoo as early as 1841, it must be a little embarrassing to President Woodruff of that organization when he is confronted, as he was in the evidence in this case, with a published card in the church organ at Nauvoo in October, 1843, certifying that he knew of no other rule or system of marriage than the one published in the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and that the "secret wife system," charged against the church, was a creature of invention by one Doctor Bennett, and that they knew of no such society. That certificate was signed by the leading members of the church, including John Taylor the former President of the Utah Church. And a similar certificate was published by the Ladies' Relief Society of the same place, signed by Emma Smith, the wife of Joseph Smith, and Phoebe Woodruff, wife of the present President Woodruff. No such marriage ever occurred under the rules of the church, and no offspring came from the imputed illicit intercourse, although Joseph Smith was in the full vigor of young manhood, and his wife Emma, was giving birth to healthy children in regular order, and was enciente at the time of Joseph's death.But if it were conceded that Joseph Smith, and Hyrum, his brother, did secretly practice concubinage, is the church to be charged with those liaisons, and the doctrine of polygamy to be predicated thereon of the church? If so, I suspect the doctrine of polygamy might be imputed to many of the Gentile churches. Certainly it was never promulgated, taught, nor recognized, as a doctrine of the church prior to the assumption of Brigham Young. -- Decision of Judge Philips in Temple Lot Case, pp. 20-26.

Agreed. The two beliefs systems are not the same religion. Why would a “merger” between mormons and Christians ever be considered? Ultimately we follow different gods. Pretty simple, right?

@@michaelsterling2650 God of the Book of Mormon is same as God of the Bible. 2 Nephi 13:32 (31:21 LDS) And now behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, And the only and true doctrine of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God without end. Amen. 3 Nephi 4:42-44 RLDS (9 LDS) Yea, verily I say unto you, If ye will come unto me, ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me. Behold I am Jesus Christ, the son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. Mosiah 1:102 (3:8 LDS) 'And He shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and of earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; And His mother shall be called Mary; Mosiah 5:44 (7:27 LDS) And because he said unto them, that Christ was the God, the Father of all things, and said that he should take upon him the image of man, and it should be the image after which man was created in the beginning; Mosiah 8:13 (13:34 LDS) Have they not said that God himself should come down among the children of men, and take upon him the form of man, and go forth in mighty power upon the face of the earth? 2 Nephi 11 RLDS (2 Nephi 25 LDS) "Yea, behold, I say unto you, that as these things are true, and as the Lord God liveth, there is none other name given under heaven, save it be this Jesus Christ of which I have spoken, whereby man can be saved." 2 Nephi 7:42 RLDS And remember after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of God that ye are saved. Mosiah 1:108 (3:12 LDS) But wo, wo unto him who knoweth that he rebelleth against God; for salvation cometh to none such, except it be through repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ.

@allysonrk You do know that the doctrine and concept of the trinity was not invented at Nicea, it was a doctrine long before by the early church fathers you don’t trust me look it up and do your own research. Church fathers from the 2nd and 3rd century believed it and taught it and the concept of the trinity is found both in the old and New Testament so it is not something man made. Please research this before blindly listening to what someone else said. I mean this with all due respect I love you guys and your community but I strongly disagree with your statement and I say that with respect. God bless you

Yet, instead of looking at it through the lens of which group is correct or incorrect on this topic, isn’t it more prudent to recognize that the two groups actually aren’t the same and actually do worship different gods. It isn’t a “who is right” scenario, rather a “we can’t both be right” scenario.

if you just read 2 Ne. 25:23 and compare that to Ephesians 2:8-9 you'll see why we differ. They both start out exactly the same, but then the second part says "after all you can do" in one book and "not of works" in the other. Polar opposites.

I say this with respect and no ill will against you or any other Latter Day Saint, but the bible is clear that here is only one God read the Old Testament and see for yourself and the New Testament claim that Jesus is God and the father is God and that the holy spirit is God not gods but the true living God YHWH (Jehovah) and that proves the trinity and the early church fathers taught this and believed it long before the council of Nicaea. Do your own research please and don’t listen to anyone blindly not me neither for that matter. Do your research and you will see that Christianity comes out on top and that the Bible and the early church confirms the trinity and all other mainstream Christian doctrines. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. I say this with respect and love and God bless you and take care of yourself my friend.

The Book of Mormon is true, and another witness of the same gospel of Jesus Christ as the Bible. Joseph Smith was a true prophet who worshipped Jesus Christ. The church was infiltrated by wicked men. When Joseph Smith was murdered, Brigham Young usurped control of the church and led some of the saints to SLC, Utah (many refused to follow him). Brigham Young introduced many false doctrines into that denomination including polygamy, men becoming Gods, Adam God, blood atonement of men, penal oath temple rituals, a Heavenly Mother, Lucifer being Jesus' brother, incorrect definition of Christ’s church, etc. None of that is in the Book of Mormon or teachings of Joseph Smith, but Brigham Young and the wicked leaders under and after him have pretended that it came from Joseph Smith in order to gain acceptance for their own evil and lustful desires. The LDS church of today is Brigham Young's denomination and is apostate from the teachings of the church under Joseph Smith.

​@joesimpson9230, we don't agree with your assessment of Brigham Young, obviously, but we are soooooo grateful to the Community of Christ Church for preserving the JST and the sacred restoration sites and for their loving and loyal defense of the prophet Joseph Smith and the book of Mormon. ❤

@juliegreenman, your mother sounds like a wonderful woman. A true saint. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God. ❤ Bryce Dunford has a wonderful series of lessons and in one of them he talks about the differences between how a telestial type person would act versus a terrestrial type person, and how a terrestrial person would act versus a celestial type person. Basically, a telestial person just hurts others. A terrestrial person will only hurt another if they are hurt. In defense. A celestial person hurts no one. They love when love isn't deserved. They do good to all. Even their enemies.

@@gwengold8154 Emma Smith preserved the JST...and testified as Joseph did that Joseph never practiced polygamy. LDS make Emma and Joseph out to be liars, and instead believe polygamist Brigham Young and his gang. "At one time my husband came to me and asked me if I had heard certain rumors about spiritual marriages, or anything of the kind; and assured me that if I had, that they were without foundation; that there was no such doctrine, and never should be with his knowledge, or consent. I know that he had no other wife or wives than myself, in any sense, either spiritual or otherwise." Emma Smith, 1879 “What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery and having seven wives when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago, and I can prove them all perjurers.” - Jospeh Smith Jr. May 26, 1844 "Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned; and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given, and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned." (Brigham Young - July 14, 1855 - Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266).

​@@joesimpson9230We do not think that Joseph Smith was a liar. We are very grateful to Emma for preserving the JST and for all she did in the persecution days of the church. I leave all the sorting out of who supposedly said what to God.

Hebrews 1:1-4 The Supremacy of God’s Son [1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. [3] He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [4] having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. (ESV)

@@BrendonKing yes , God spoke through his son Jesus Christ when he was on the earth. When Jesus left, communication was through Peter the chief apostle (prophet) and the other apostles.

@@justjamie7577 you miss the point of Hebrews then. Christ is the completion of all things.

​@@BrendonKingpertaining to the Mosaic Law, yes, but not the prophetic tradition.

@@BrendonKing yes Christ did. And when he left the earth God still spoke to the apostles who then spoke to the people.

😂😂😂😂 nobody cares to be called Christian because the saints are more Christian than those claiming to be Christians. We are saints as in the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints and if you read the Bible they only talk about saints not Christians.

@@utimakasini7176 What do you have against taking on the name of Christ and being called a Christian? They didn't in the Book of Mormon. Alma 46:15-16 Yea, all those who were the true believers in Christ, took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians, as they were called, because of their belief in Christ, who should come; and therefore, at this time, Moroni prayed that the cause of the Christians, and the freedom of the land might be favored.

@@joesimpson9230 you're just like the adversary, making up accusations.

@@utimakasini7176 I shared a scripture from the Book of Mormon where they were gladly called Christians. Do you reject that scripture?

@@utimakasini7176 Joseph Smith said . . . (Regarding Joseph Smith’s alleged first vision where celestial personages appeared to him) . . . “My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right - and which I should join. I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong, and the personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight: that those professors were all corrupt . . .” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 5-6). “What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 270). (In questions directed to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism . . . ). First-“Do you believe the Bible?” If we do, we are the only people under heaven that do, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do.” Third-“Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?” Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness.” (Teachings, page 119).

I said I won’t call it a cult because everyone defines “cult” differently. At one time, some called Protestantism a cult of Martin Luther.

but let's be honest, the group is a cult. ANY organization that identifies their religion as the "only true church" can be counted among the JW's, Catholics, Seventh-day Adventists, Unitarians, Worldwide/Restored Church of God and Family International. Church never means building or organization and the 'church' is the identity of the body of believers, not a congregation or denomination. Those that try to stake the claim they are the only one that God approves automatically reveals they are a cult.

@@HelloSaintsI don’t think Martin Luther would have enjoyed the connotation of being called a cult leader. If you respect Martin Luther, you accept that he wanted glory for God, not himself. If you don’t respect Martin Luther, you call him a cult leader who wanted glory for himself. People don’t generally tell their friends how excited they are about this new cult they have joined. The word ‘cult’ is used by people on the outside who worry about the excessive, misplaced, and harmful worshipping of the cultists. People who call Christianity a cult in general aren’t generally talking about it favorably. The word ‘cult’ is usually negative, rarely neutral, and never positive.

@@HelloSaintsAlso your exact words in the video were “Is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints a cult? I personally don’t think there is a yes or no answer.” You didn’t say “you won’t call it a cult.” You left it open as if you might call it a cult, but you are undecided because of the complexity.

I'm not so sure this is true, even. God doesn't force either moral or intellectual assent. But, praise God, I DO believe we will live closer to one another, as brothers and sisters in Christ. And it will be so with many other honorable people of many other faiths who are humble and willing to receive all the light God, in his wisdom, is willing to dispense to each of us.

Its true "for those WHO CHOOSE" to merge! Its correct The Lord "will not force anyone's hand or feet to move if they dont want to". But, If the Lord says, move your feet, will you be willingly obedient to do so??@@towardcivicliteracy

3 Nephi 4:42-44 RLDS (9 LDS) Yea, verily I say unto you, If ye will come unto me, ye shall have eternal life. Behold, mine arm of mercy is extended towards you, and whosoever will come, him will I receive; and blessed are those who come unto me. Behold I am Jesus Christ, the son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are.

@@joesimpson9230 why are you spamming the board by using some obscure passage from a book written by some guy that plagiarized most of it and then tried to get it copyrighted as his own original work?

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 You're on the wrong channel if you can't bear to hear about the Book of Mormon. What specifically of that scripture offends you? That Jesus Christ is the way to eternal life? Does His gospel offend you? 3 Nephi 12 25 "Behold, I have given unto you My gospel, And this is the gospel which I have given unto you - That I came into the world to do the will of My Father because My Father sent Me; 26 And My Father sent Me that I might be lifted up upon the cross; And after that I had been lifted up upon the cross, I might draw all men unto Me; 27 That as I have been lifted up by men, even so should men be lifted up by the Father to stand before Me to be judged of their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil; 28 And for this cause have I been lifted up; Therefore, according to the power of the Father, I will draw all men unto Me, that they may be judged according to their works. 29 "And it shall come to pass that whoso repenteth and is baptized in My name shall be filled; And if he endureth to the end, Behold, him will I hold guiltless before My Father at that day when I shall stand to judge the world; 30 And he that endureth not unto the end, The same is he that is also hewn down and cast into the fire from whence they can no more return because of the justice of the Father. "And this is the word which He hath given unto the children of men; 31 And for this cause He fulfilleth the words which He hath given, And He lieth not, but fulfilleth all His words; And no unclean thing can enter into His kingdom; 32 Therefore, nothing entereth into His rest, Save it be those who have washed their garments in My blood because of their faith and the repentance of all their sins and their faithfulness unto the end. 33 "Now this is the commandment: Repent, all ye ends of the earth! and come unto Me! and be baptized in My name! That ye may be sanctified by the reception of the Holy Ghost, That ye may stand spotless before Me at the last day! 34 "Verily, verily I say unto you, this is My gospel. "And ye know the things that ye must do in My church, For the works which ye have seen Me do, that shall ye also do; 35 For that which ye have seen Me do, even that shall ye do; Therefore, if ye do these things, blessed are ye, For ye shall be lifted up at the last day.

@@joesimpson9230 I can read the gospel in the Bible, organized does that offend you? You don't read the q'ran why not? And Joey wasn't a prophet, just someone that used a trick to find lost treasures and copy it as a new religion

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 I can read the gospel of Jesus Christ is the Bible too. And from the Bible I see that it never mentions the word "Bible" nor does it pretend that all of God's words would be limited to a Bible...or limited at all. Jesus Christ was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and that certainly included the lost sheep of the 10 lost tribes of Israel scattered across the earth. They too heard His voice. Matthew 15:24 “But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. John 21:25 "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." 2Esdras 13:40-45 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land. But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river. For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over. For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.

As an evangelical Christian, it’s more differences than just levels of heaven. LDS and mainstream Christianity disagree on fundamental doctrines of the Nature of God, the mission of Jesus, and who will receive eternal life. Mainstream Christian’s believe more people will go to hell than be saved/get eternal life as revealed in the Bible. That’s why we’re so passionate about explaining the gospel simple and clear

All life is eternal, but without excepting Christ as God and your personal savior, then you will go to hell. Hell was not meant for humans, but that’s where the unbeliever goes. Study your king James, without the lens of a 14-year-old boy, and he will get a better picture of what really happens. God bless, I’m praying for you.

ordinances don't save or add to your blessings or forgiveness. you do them because you want to, not for the 'work' they provide. our works are filthy rags to the lord. We are saved by faith from His grace, not of works (Ephesians 2:8-9, Galatians 2:16)

It is hard for many Christians to come to the realization that God is bigger than 66 scrolls of the Bible. It is hard for many in the LDS denomination to come to the realization that God is bigger than their denomination. When growing up RLDS, I heard the "we are the one true church" often...although not as often I think as it is repeated in the LDS. One thing that I have gained from leaving that denomination (after they became CoC and way leftist and somewhat abandoned roots) was a realization that God was bigger than the box I had put Him in. He was present in the first congregation (Evangelical) that I started attending. He was also present in the next congregation (Evangelical) I went to also. They absolutely missed on the clarity of the scriptures of the Book of Mormon and they are far from perfect, but God still moves there regularly. One day (I believe soon) I know that God will bring His church together and I believe He is starting to bring down some man-made denominational walls even now. He is a big big God. He is a good good God. Looking forward to Zion!

Exactly. Don't let us sit at your table if you don't want us there But don't deny our most core belief.

Mormonism teaches a different Jesus, Jesus is not created, he was not born to a Father and Mother God in heaven, Jesus is our creator, he cannot create himself. you must have the biblical Jesus to be a Christian.

@@hollayevladimiroff131 Mormonism does not teach that Jesus was created. And does teach that Jesus is the creator. You seem to have knowledge of some of our teachings but clearly not all.

@@justjamie7577 perhaps you are new the organization, but yes, Mormonism not only teaches that Jesus was created and brother to lucifer, but also that He is very limited with forgiving sins.

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 no, we are coeternal with the father. We existed in some form or fashion before becoming spirit children. It's a hard concept to get your head around and it's not talked about often. There was never a time when Jesus Christ or any of us didn't exist. We teach that Lucifer, Jesus, you, me and everyone are spirit children of God the Father. Lucifer and a third of the spirit children rebelled. Cain and Abel were brothers. Good people can have evil brothers, it doesn't make them any less good. And no, we do not teach that Jesus will forgive a Very limited number of people. We believe that Christ is just and merciful. Where most religions teach God will send people to hell, we teach that they will go to the tellestrial kingdom of heaven which is glorious. Glory instead of hell sounds like forgiveness to me.

I was wondering about that statement myself. Did some magic happen? LOL

Joseph Smith said people lived on the moon.

​@@jlewis8145i thought that was brigham young?!

From what I know, people can become angels when they die in the LDS faith. So, it’s entirely bonkers for Noah to be Gabriel, though I don’t see anything biblically that would suggest people become angels.

@@Compulsive-Elk7103 Brigham Young said that people lived on the moon and the sun.

We can definitely merge our efforts to serve Christ!!

Way to miss Hebrews 1 there.

@@BrendonKing ... Can you be more specific, Brendon? Surly you can't be referring to the part where it says Jesus, being a spirit who is an eternal heavenly man, is the spitt'in image of His Father. In fact it says Jesus is the EXPRESS image of His Father. Both perfect heavenly Beings. I am very aware of that in Hebrews 1 and how much it supports my original comment. Other than that you might have to help me out some. Thanks.

@@godsoffspring4195 Hebrews 1:1-4 The Supremacy of God’s Son [1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. [3] He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [4] having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. (ESV) Very clearly there is a shift from prophetic instruction. "BUT IN THESE LAST DAYS".

@@godsoffspring4195 Hebrews 1:1-4 The Supremacy of God’s Son [1] Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, [2] but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world. [3] He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, [4] having become as much superior to angels as the name he has inherited is more excellent than theirs. (ESV)

@@godsoffspring4195Hebrew talks about how Jesus fulfilled all the OT commandments and ordinances and covenants necessary to be in full relationship with God. Because of this, there is no more need for a temple, or ongoing revelation, because Jesus has provided full access to the Father through his shed blood

the entirety of Mormonism is based on the assumption that all other evangelical churches are corrupt.

Twisted lol

Based

Nature of God, nature of man, scripture as an authority, how we are reconciled to God. All of these are non-negotiables.

I don't need to read the b/M or the q'ran or any other book to know the truth from the Bible that Jesus is God and our faith in Him is where we received our salvation.

@@georgebauerschmidt5289 I was directing that to those who might think Mormons could be right or considering the Book of Mormon is of God which if anyone reads it would know it's not and conflicts with the Bible

@@roughcollielover1784 anyone except for those in the cult that can't ever use critical thinking and logic anymore that is

No

Or if Evangelicals came to recognize that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God, and LDS came to recognize the Brigham Young and Russell Nelson are not.

Um CIRobite, even if people believed Joseph smith is a prophet that still doesn’t mean the Brighamite church is that church LOL Brigham young was a horrible evil man in some ways worse than Joseph smith