Pastor Reacts to Shane Idleman | "Are You Saved? Take the Test."

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2 ай бұрын

Shane Idleman gives a list of things that are supposedly a test of genuine saving faith. Is this a scriptural test, or is it made up from the doctrines and traditions of men? This is not the degrade the man, but we desire to point out the flaw in his teaching
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@DNYS8N
@DNYS8N 2 ай бұрын
It doesn’t matter how much education or success you have as a pastor or Christian teacher if you are wrong you are wrong. If you error on salvation you either lead people away from Jesus to hell or keep believers doubting, condemned, or striving to work instead of being set free by grace resulting in love that attracts others to the gospel. There is no requirement of loving God, complete surrender, perseverance, heartfelt prayer, or any other work whether by law or heart commitment to receive the free gift of salvation purchased only by Christ. It is received by faith alone meaning no works required. There is a requirement for faith to be fruitful it must have works but this is not a qualification for salvation. Doesn’t matter what big name commentary or group says otherwise. You don’t have to achieve absolutely surrender, be fully obedient, or persevere in the faith to be saved. It is not about you regardless what the big name preaches. Salvation is not from us it belongs to the Lord and it is received in a one time transaction by faith without any other thing. It is a gift and further a free gift.
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
If their is no mercy and love the faith is fake. Met too many who say they can hate and abuse people and are saved by faith alone. They end up dying full of demons. Seen it with my own eyes too many times. The cross is the way. To say the cross is not the way…….false teaching. Now we must learn what the cross is. What it is to die to self. Repent. Etc. Faith is never alone. Never. Every teaching in the Bible has a Trinity in it. Faith -> Trust -> rest Repent -> believe -> receive. This whole “alone” teaching is from Hell. Why add what’s not in Gods word? Christ died alone. He alone paid. He is our high priest. He is all and in all. Yes. But faith is never alone. Grace is never alone. Truth is never alone. Charity is never alone. “Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies it abides alone” Read the verily verilies. They are truth.
@goodshorts
@goodshorts 2 ай бұрын
Amen! We love Him BECAUSE HE FIRST LOVED US! Such a different motivation. One is a grateful service out of love for our merciful Savior. The other is a grasping of works to retain or prove salvation. One is a reliance on Christ, the other is a post Christ self-reliance. One is: love God, love each other, share Jesus because the gospel is good news! The other is: love God, love each other, share Jesus because if you don't, you are not saved. PRAISE JESUS EVERY DAAAAAY!
@DNYS8N
@DNYS8N 2 ай бұрын
@@Rileyed I’m not sure if any of us listen or read any more on social media. If no cross is what you took from my post then it’s pointless. We all seemed wired just to set each other straight. We are saved then we pick up the cross. If we don’t we won’t lose the family if God but there will be a cost we won’t want to pay. Why is it all or nothing? It seems even the most staunch believer thst thinks we can be cast into hell after we receive salvation should be saying to those that don’t “I hope your right”. But it’s a sad state of the church.
@DNYS8N
@DNYS8N 2 ай бұрын
@@Rileyed I believe in surrendering so I don’t appreciate the accusation which seems to be every where. If you think you are perfect I’m not going to convince you because everyone else not with you will fall short of your judgements. So peace and out
@DNYS8N
@DNYS8N 2 ай бұрын
@@Rileyedrelax brother I’m not doing as you write Reader either we are permitted to come as we are, sin and all, or we must first stop sinning and cleanse ourself by surrendering then we can come. I know there are many people that love the Lord that are gentle (And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.) that believe that we have to press on or we will go to hell. I respect them for warning us. Some are my close brothers and sisters. The Holy Bible tells us to believe in Christ first and then we are forever in the family of God. Then we are admonished and encouraged to walk in the Spirit (taking up our cross) in both surrender and brotherly love. The gait keepers and fruit inspectors on social media will twist our observations and that will not end but I submit that the only requirement to be saved is a mustard seed of belief in Christ. However to the Calvinists damned if you do damned if you don’t
@TheBlubunni
@TheBlubunni 2 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures was buried and rose again on the 3rd day according to the scriptures. I'm saved because Jesus saved me. Thank You Lord. 🙌🏼🩵✝️
@gem934
@gem934 2 ай бұрын
A lost and confused church, 🥲 led blindly by a wolf. Thanks Jesse and Trent. God bless
@MisterBill593
@MisterBill593 Ай бұрын
Calvinism is re-invading "christendom" at an alarming rate. Thanks for another great video!
@krisjustin3884
@krisjustin3884 Ай бұрын
Agree. Sadly, this is also a dangerous neo-Calvinism, a slippery slope back to Rome!
@jarrodmoore9404
@jarrodmoore9404 13 күн бұрын
Shane idelman has demonstrated for years now that he believes we can and must keep the Law.
@plumber1874
@plumber1874 2 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work
@BriarBeats
@BriarBeats 2 ай бұрын
Good morning and God Blessings to All In Jesus Name ❤
@RobertLassche
@RobertLassche 2 ай бұрын
All of those things are hallmarks of discipleship. Sadly most churches conflate discipleship with salvation. But salvation is a separate punctiliar event. What he’s preaching is called Calvinism or “ moving the goalposts “. I gotta say, most churches today preach a false gospel that requires your participation - works.
@NikoFinn
@NikoFinn 2 ай бұрын
Amen
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
God doesn’t force us. We must be willing. We have to come to Him for life. Those are the conditions. And the law is mercy and truth….faith and love. We can’t do it without Him and he won’t do it without us. We are co labourers with Christ. We must yield daily. To take obedience out of salvation is the most satanic thing anybody can do. Same thing Satan told Eve. But maybe not at bad at what Calvinisms does to the soul. But both sides are not on the narrow path of righteousness by faith. Jesus declares this righteousness and showed us. For us to say “that’s works” to mercy and love. Is not the gospel. It’s the works of God. Not of flesh “If you by the spirit put to death the deeds of the flesh you shall live” Ignore Gods word at our own peril. Cute doctrines don’t lead to godliness. Only pure truth
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
@@LookinUp_ and do what he says…..don’t skip the second half. Why do that? God said to Obey Jesus. And Jesus gave us the commands. Forgive and love and be honest with all men with no respect of persons. The perfect law of Liberty. This is how we walk in victory!!! “Be ye not deceived only doers of the word are justified before God”…… This is the righteousness that is by faith. The kingdom laws. But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
@RobertLassche
@RobertLassche 2 ай бұрын
@@Rileyed If we have believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, then we have obeyed Him. Christ gives us new hearts, obedient hearts.
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
@@RobertLassche to believe on the Lord is continuous life = I am means “the ever present one” = to humble self = to deny self/cease from dead works = “I can do nothing and have nothing, work thou in me” Then we get the daily bread; blood and flesh. Etc. Why he says now is the time; today is the day. Bc God lives in the eternity of the present moment. He is always here now. Overcoming = abiding/resting in Christ. Grace = God does for me;in me;through me. Grace is stronger than SIN. Love is stronger than SIN. “Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned……If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. His commandments are mercy and truth from heart and to love and forgive all men and God. “Mercy and truth uphold the throne of Grace” Read what happens to people who claim Christ and don’t give mercy and truth. The hypocrites. Not good
@TommyB4Jesus
@TommyB4Jesus 2 ай бұрын
Amen believe the Gospel...... 2 Thess 2:13-14 "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ."
@NikoFinn
@NikoFinn 2 ай бұрын
MacArthur preaches Lordship salvation also which is not biblical at all. Thank you for the video.
@andrew1871
@andrew1871 2 ай бұрын
How do I know if I pass? How much love? How much bible reading? How many prayers? How much humility? What's the exact standard?
@BibleLine
@BibleLine 2 ай бұрын
We give the biblical answer in the video. You are saved the moment you believe in Jesus Christ who died to pay for all of your sin, was buried and rose again. - Trent
@user-lv1le7zg3l
@user-lv1le7zg3l 2 ай бұрын
Thank you brther Trent. God bless you.
@arthurlesiv4969
@arthurlesiv4969 2 ай бұрын
The standard is God, love like God, act like God, think like God. They basically have 0% chance of entering the narrow gate by the way they "strive" to enter it.
@gem934
@gem934 2 ай бұрын
When talking to these calvinists, they will always go to verses that they twist or take out of context, to in their eyes prove that the flesh needs to be made perfect (because that is essentially what the theology equates to) verses they quote to you, eg. the devils believe, James 2, the seed remains in you and cannot sin etc etc But they can never give you verses of terms that they use eg, repent of sins, you MUST submit to his will/lordship etc. Where are these verses? God bless
@SportsReports247
@SportsReports247 2 ай бұрын
💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
@MikejHamel
@MikejHamel 2 ай бұрын
Another prime example of the gospel is offensive to those who are perishing
@keatongrout6275
@keatongrout6275 2 ай бұрын
I just thought I'd mention there's a guy by the name of Joshua Joscelyn who is very staunch against free grace or as he calls it antinomianism. He's made dozens of videos about why repentance means to turn from sin and that it's not simply a change of mind. He's even written a whole book titled 'Repentance from sin: how antinomianism disarmed the gospel and not the sinner' I'd love to know your thoughts on him and see you do responses to him and his arguments. Thanks
@SheepofChrist818
@SheepofChrist818 2 ай бұрын
John 6:47 is very simple.
@DynamicGracer
@DynamicGracer 2 ай бұрын
Lol
@DynamicGracer
@DynamicGracer 2 ай бұрын
Response made by me Will link you It was brutal lol
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
The evidence of faith and trust is rest.
@jameswilson9361
@jameswilson9361 2 ай бұрын
Rest in the finished work of Christ. He only makes us pure. He is spotless, not me. He is our merit. Can I pull myself up by my bootstraps to enter into a perfect heaven, reserved for one with no spot or blemish?? 1 John 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, WE SHALL BE LIKE HIM; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this HOPE in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. So we can see that Obedience in this flesh in no way makes us entirely pure like Christ until he makes us so when we see him. But it does brings honor and profit to God by being a light for the lost right now. Why would we as the redeemed want to get entangled in sin now that we're justified and free to live in righteousness? That's the true question and exhortation. I run for the crown and prize! But my salvation was a free gift, I cannot boast.
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
@@jameswilson9361 “When sin came it destroyed the love. Love vanished from the world. There may have been examples of love, but only as a remnant of what had been lost. The worst thing sin ever did was that it made men selfish and selfishness cannot love. Selfishness can lead me to love someone who pleases me or makes me happy. But that is not real love. The true unselfish love that loves the unworthy or unlovable sin destroyed. To bring this love back to us Jesus came. He came as the manifestation of divine love. “Having loved his own; he loved them to the end.” The world is to know Christ from our love for one another. The mark of a believer is he is to be a man of love. “Fill me with love” Jesus came to fill us with the divine love. True love cannot be conquered by hatred or anything in heaven or earth. The more hatred the more love triumphs. Love is humility. Love says,”I only live to be a blessing to others” love cannot be selfish. Love gives itself to its object. Christ main teaching was to let us see human nature and how incapable it is of divine love without the Holy Spirit in our hearts.
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
@@jameswilson9361 it’s just if we are sincere. We don’t overcome all of our sins after being born again. Just like the Isrealites. They were saved, but not ready to enter into the promised land. John 1 and other places says we become young men in Christ when we finally overcome Satan. Takes years of learning to discern Gods will from Satans deceptions/the flesh. After we overcome we can now reproduce. We went from lambs to sheep. Then as old men we can be shepards…..leading the sheep. But most of us are elected as sheep. The false teaching that we are perfect on day one in experience only causes people to hide their sins or get caught under self effort/the law and thinking we are never saved until we are perfect. Which keeps us from moving forward sadly. When we rest he works…..when we work he stops working until we learn. It’s opposite of what our carnal mind things as right. We think if we strive harder we will do better. God says if we depend more on Him we will overcome sin/self. Independence -> dependance(tree of life) is the only way. And takes us decades often to learn this lesson
@lawrencemick1665
@lawrencemick1665 2 ай бұрын
I don't know how to get the video. But McArthur has a video titled almost the same as this. Be nice to see that ,because most of this type of content comes from him, Piper, Washer and others. But MacArthur is the top dog. Thanks
@333Paradigm333
@333Paradigm333 2 ай бұрын
So, I agree that it is by faith alone that justified us before God (Romans 10:9&10), but isn't good works a secondary evedence of faith that justifies us before men, e.g. James 2?
@vaksehund2
@vaksehund2 2 ай бұрын
A thing I need to add - the music. It's funeral & horror music. Drama...
@joshwebb8878
@joshwebb8878 2 ай бұрын
The Bible makes it clear in James 2 verse 5 that the heirs of the kingdom are them that love God.
@arthurlesiv4969
@arthurlesiv4969 2 ай бұрын
Jesus also makes it clear that if our eyes causes us to sin, we must gouge it out, what's your point?
@joshwebb8878
@joshwebb8878 2 ай бұрын
@@arthurlesiv4969 simply that only those that love God through obedience will make it to heaven. Hebrews 5:9, John 15. He that does what Jesus commands make it to heaven, not those who stay in sin.
@joshwebb8878
@joshwebb8878 2 ай бұрын
@@arthurlesiv4969 Hebrews 5:9 Jesus saves those that obey him. John 15 talks about staying in Jesus love by keeping his commandments.
@steviet3995
@steviet3995 2 ай бұрын
Salvation is contingent on what we do. 1John1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. So what happens if we don't confess our sins?. So confessing our sins, is something we do. Not God, us. So believers who confess our sins, are forgiven & cleansed from our sins & all unrighteousness. Believers who don't confess are not forgiven & cleansed from our sins & all unrighteousness . Only believer who confessed will be saved.
@JayW17
@JayW17 2 ай бұрын
Would you look at chastening as proof you are saved or just me believing the gospel?
@BibleLine
@BibleLine 2 ай бұрын
The proof you are saved is the fact that Jesus died and paid for all of your sin, was buried and is resurrected. If you believed, then you are saved. - Trent
@GRACE4LYFE
@GRACE4LYFE 2 ай бұрын
Yeah you can't look at chastening because any person can take a bad thing in there life that's going on say see I'm getting chastised an that's just not the case every person in life everyday is going threw something believers an unbelievers
@samuelflores9410
@samuelflores9410 2 ай бұрын
I don't mean to be one who wants to pile it on, but I've heard this pastor preach many times and he likes to toss the word repent around like a hand grenade and have heard him say he uses the word because it's in the Bible. I've tried liking his lessons but have heard too much pseudo catholicism from his pulpit. He gets a lot of radio time here in California, Christian radio, and unfortunately is a beneficiary of the 'cult of personality'. Thank God for pastors like Jesse and others. I've only learned about proper Soteriology in the past few years(after a lifetime of fear-based preaching) and get a little hot under the collar when I hear respected preachers teach otherwise.
@bobbaker5199
@bobbaker5199 2 ай бұрын
To be clear, does that mean if someone says I believe in Jesus and then continues to live a sinful life, are they truly saved?
@NikoFinn
@NikoFinn 2 ай бұрын
We all sin. If you are a son of God and have believed the Gospel of grace then God is your heavenly Father and He, in His love, disciplines and teaches you to live a holy, set apart life that you'd follow Jesus instead of your own fleshly desires. If a son of God, a believer in Christ, does not repent of a given sin and hardens himself then he may die at the end of that fleshly path but he never loses his salvation. Hence salvation and discipleship are not the same.
@bobbaker5199
@bobbaker5199 2 ай бұрын
@@NikoFinn Thanks for your response. I can agree with your 1st sentence, but would take exception with the 2nd. How can an unrepentant person be a son of God, a believer in Christ? Who do you think Jesus Himself was addressing in Mt 7:22-23? What about 1Cor6:9-10? What was John the Baptists message and can we just ignore it?
@MikejHamel
@MikejHamel 2 ай бұрын
According to the bible...yes it does. The gospel is offensive to many self righteous people.
@MikejHamel
@MikejHamel 2 ай бұрын
@@bobbaker5199 If I may add...Matt 7:21 says only those that do the will of the father will enter into the kingdom. The will of the father is stated in John 6:40...to believe unto Jesus for salvation. Those who Jesus said He never knew, called him Lord and did lots of works, but never trusted Him COMPLETELY.
@Rileyed
@Rileyed 2 ай бұрын
If they sin without internal suffering and discipline in life…..they aren’t born of the spirit yet. Mercy and truth is the law. If we lie and don’t forgive. We can’t love and don’t know God.
@dallas41891
@dallas41891 2 ай бұрын
What are you supposed to do if most churches around you are teaching this? Just stop going? Almost every Christian I know believes salvation is accompanied by works
@GiftofGrace88
@GiftofGrace88 2 ай бұрын
I believe that you don't have to actually go to a building for church. Most of the churches that I have been to want you to donate to their building fund and other various funds for the church. You could have fellowship with fellow believers anywhere such as someone's home. Sometimes you can have fellowship online and listen to pastors like Jesse Martinez on this channel. The description has other options that teach being justified freely by God's grace.
@MikejHamel
@MikejHamel 2 ай бұрын
That's what I did...until I find one that preaches the correct gospel. I still fellowship with others, and serve with others, just no service or bible studies with others. 99% don't read scriptures the way I see them.
@jameswilson9361
@jameswilson9361 2 ай бұрын
That's a hard one. I'm there too buddy. I mainly have the choice of churches that preach make Jesus lord of your life to be saved or the ones that preach nothing matters so roll on the ground lol. I found some small Baptist churches are very similar to Calvary with Jesse, but no church is going to be perfect. Just got to look around or start a biblestudy with a friend and maybe it'll grow. I'd start one with you if I lived nearby, I am trying to start one right now in my hometown!
@bobbaker5199
@bobbaker5199 2 ай бұрын
There are no perfect churches as there are no perfect people. Know what you believe and be a vessel for God to use wherever you go, whether to church, to work, or to the grocery store. Works are not the cause or method of salvation, works are the evidence of salvation. You can read the book of James for this teaching and know that it in no way contradicts that salvation is through faith in Christ.
@DNYS8N
@DNYS8N 2 ай бұрын
I had to apology to my Christian neighbor after badgering him that there is no perfect church and the “one more hypocrite won’t hurt jokes”, oh and don’t forsake the assembly. One day I was an elder, teacher, and “worship musician” that had spent 25 years giving and the next day I was not going to church on any regular basis. It all started with realizing how much of a controlling one man show (pastor) the church is compared to an organic body. It’s a lecture generally riddled with preferences, widespread errors, and accusations at times with a few people that go up and sing or pray. Prayer 🙏 is always good but how do we fellowship during a lecture? I go once or twice a month, especially if it’s a home church, I’ve tried starting a lake fellowship. Bottom line is I struggle especially with all those that can’t see the problem and insist if you don’t go to church you are disobedient.
@darthkitty6883
@darthkitty6883 2 ай бұрын
I disagree with you, but I understand your position. These tests aren't for salvation, they're to see if you're actually in the faith as Paul instructs us to do. I understand what you mean, but there should be a genuine transformation of your life when you're saved, you cannot continue to live a sinful life, which is a rejection of God, and consider yourself christian. James 2 tells us about christians who claim to have faith but they do not demonstrate it.
@tangoseal1
@tangoseal1 2 ай бұрын
You people and Bibleline COMPLETELY misunderstand what is being shown here. Is your video "How to get saved" Or is it "The test of salvation"? There is the process of salvation and then there is the signs that come after you are saved and clearly you have missed the boat.
@GRACE4LYFE
@GRACE4LYFE 2 ай бұрын
If there is process of salvation that means you have to be doing something to require it means you are working to get it
@jayhammer4288
@jayhammer4288 2 ай бұрын
No there is no process of salvation, you are saved the moment you first believed Ephesians 1:13 sealed with the Holy Spirit. Sanctification is a process, it is your Day to Day walk with the Lord. Glorification is at the rapture/resurrection. You cannot take a test for this you either rest in Christ finished work or you do not.
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