We have to remember, they're misunderstanding scripture, and have become deceived. In a way, they're victims, but then they're victimizing others with a false gospel of works salvation. For instance, Ray Comfort preaches works-salvation, but it's likely because he misunderstood the meaning of "repentance" to be saved, and his belief system has cemented as he's aged. It's with good intentions, but false gospel still exists, and is harmful.

Me too Elizabeth, it makes me mad, but I do hope they come to the knowledge of the Truth, which is Jesus and His perfect sacrifice for our Salvation. Thank You Lord Jesus.

Amen.

Marvel not Brother if the World hates you, it hated Jesus First. Matthew 10:34-40 King James Version 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Did you know the Bible commands us to literally be careful & diligent to maintain good works so that we can be acceptable to God & walk worthy of our calling? Yes, to be acceptable & worthy!

​@@roseannemaye9263wrong

@@roseannemaye9263 That’s for Christian growth and discipleship. NOT for salvation.

@@roseannemaye9263 ‭Luke 3:3 KJV‬ [3] And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Vs8 says' bring forth fruits worthy of repentance' to the pharisees. Repentance is changing your mind and trusting on the atonement for right standing with God. We are found righteous by being baptized in the blood of Christ. Now if a saved person wants to be a workman studying to show him self APPROVED unto God 2 Tim 2:15 WORTHY of his calling 2 Thess 1:11, the holy spirit can then produce fruit and that man can be a living sacrifice to God for use in the great commission. He will have reward but his toiling never earned the blood of Christ Galatians 2:16. Only perfection enters into that holy city. ‭Isaiah 64:6 ... all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... Do you sin? We all do. Even Christians. If you trust in your ability to never sin you will never make it, your works will never be perfect enough. Especially if you're doing it to earn right standing, that's the wrong motivation. ‭1 Corinthians 3:1, 11-17 [1] And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ... [11] For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [12] Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; [13] every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. [14] If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. [15] If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be SAVED; yet so as by fire. [16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? [17] If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy(IN THIS LIFE GOD CORRECTS THOSE HE LOVES); for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. You have to read all of scripture and it interprets itself. If you lose the promise of salvation then God is a liar. And we know that he is not!

Amen 🙏

Wow, that’s a great explanation and categorization. I’ll share this with Jesse 🤣 - Trent

That was a great read 👍 Well done presented clear even I got the meaning without getting mixed up God bless you sir

​@@BibleLine Sure thing, and thanks. My wife and I spent the last year studying both their theology and behavioral traits (they can be incredibly horrible), and a lot of what we do now is help believers avoid being deceived by LOST. There's a lot of people who are new Christians or just got out of Calvinism who can fall right into this LOST deception.

​@@jedimasterham2really loved reading what you typed there, but I'm confused on something... You said that belief doesn't save us? You said that up in the beginning I forget if it was number one or number two but anyway can you explain what you meant by that? I think you said that belief/faith doesn't have the power to save, I know that Christ is the reason but without belief you cannot be saved and if you do believe you are saved so I'm just trying to understand😊

Excellent points made.

😂yes I wondered what they think about their own souls.They ought to be terrified!!!😮

Im certain Joe doesnt believe he is exempt. Thats slander

@@Jesusisnumberone5740how does he sleep at night then?

Amen so true

@@Billy-Brown Amen brother !!!!

Really good points.

​@johnconstantine2754 thanks, I think so, too. The opponents of eternal security think you have to keep being born again......

Right and according to scripture we are born again of incorruptible seed. “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” 1 Peter 1:23 KJV

Exactly there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus! My favorite verse! I actually was raised in a pentecostal Arminian church and I cried every Sunday knowing I was never good enough. I knew something was off. Glad I left and now I have peace in Christ! I now grieve over my sin in a more healthy way, knowing his spirit guides me helps me to deny the flesh way better than under false teaching. Life is terribly hard at least it is for me, so my question at the time was why did pastors heap even more burden on the congregation when they are already at the breaking point... I knew It didn't make sense. I broke down overwhelmed and almost was done with going to any church for the hypocrisy that I saw and my poverty was what made me resent it more. It probably was Satan's tactics to make me dislike the church in general. God knew why I went through it all to make me see I depend solely on Jesus for salvation. And I should have the same grace towards others like me now that I AM SAVED!

@@jameswilson9361 Everytime someone tells me salvation can be lost I tell um stop putting brethren under condemnation an its literally one the most powerful verses we have to our defense it shuts up alot or they deflect right from me after I tell um couple times

Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. The use of the word "faith" is key in receiving the grace that leads to salvation. Without it, there is no hope for redemption.

Sound doctrine channels are few and far between, for sure! I encourage prayer, asking the Lord for discernment and to guide us to them. He will!

That second 'believe' is a Greek word meaning to obey. The Bible says the Holy Spirit is given to those who OBEY God. It also says Jesus is the author of salvation to those who OBEY. The Bible says we are justified by faith & works BOTH. The Bible it's not faith alone that is a saving faith. Faith without works is a dead faith, the faith of devils.

​@@roseannemaye9263so what works do you have to do to be saved? The works you do? Or the works that a priest does ? Are you doing enough works? You should write out a list of works you have to do to earn salvation! You seem to know , so enlighten the rest of us oh holy one of God! Thanks much appreciated

​@@roseannemaye9263John 6: 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not. 37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

​@@roseannemaye9263Romans 10:16-18 King James Version 16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

​@@roseannemaye9263Ephesians 2:8-9 New International Version 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

IN CHRIST, it’s impossible to “return to the world”. It’s not talking about our flesh, what it does or does not do. Being either baptized into Christ or in the world (unsaved) is a Spiritual position. Nothing to do with our actions in this mortal flesh.

@@krissyyoung9264 In my opinion you are not discerning the scriptures correctly. So what you are implying is that once you are saved you can just go on sinning with no consequences?

We certainly pray and desire that all believers endure, but the old flesh nature often gets in the way. Praise God our salvation is in Jesus Christ and not in our endurance! - Trent

So why would there be exhortations to fight the good fight of faith, to run the race? There would be no point in saying that if the believer would automatically do that. Also, Read Luke 8:13.

“But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.” 2 Timothy 3:13 KJV

That’s one way we know the rapture/resurrection of the Body of Christ will be pre-Tribulation ~~ We have been given everlasting life and SHALL NEVER perish. So, we cannot be put into a situation where we may do something that damns ALL who do it.

Narcissists my ass. They simply have a more mature mind than you and have better critical thinking skills than you do. Keep searching,

I’m a pretty new Christian of almost 6 months.

​​@@Ginabritt7 The panel of pastors and theologians didn't even speak to verses that support what it takes for one to be saved. So it's a fine line of not knowing if they believe whether their salvation was obtained through grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone. One must believe in Jesus and His redemptive finished work at the cross but none spoke to how one obtains salvation just how one can lose it. Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. John 5:24 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18 There are many that claim to believe in the Gospel but they either frontload it with their own works for salvation and/or they add works to preserve their salvation. Either Christ paid 100% of our death penalty or they believe Christ died 90% and they have to finish the rest. Christ paid it all; that's the Good News!! For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8-9 Their fruits are what they believe, which is that their good works must be added to Christ's finished work.With that said, it is possible some of the pastors on the panel were saved as believers and yet now, they are erring in their doctrinal interpretation and falling away from the truth. The ones who entered the door by believing in Christ's finished work (death, burial and resurrection) would be saved but will endure chastening here on earth and loss of rewards in heaven. God's gifts are irrevocable; salvation is a gift that cannot be lost. I hope this helps. Hopefully Trent will weigh in! May God bless!

​@@Ginabritt7 Matt 7:21-23 is speaking to those who did not believe in Christ's finished work but who trusted in their own works. I think of Prosperity Gospel preachers and Mormons as examples.

@@lai7527 thank you so much for your reply! It was very helpful! 🙏❤️

If they never believed in grace through faith (and always believed what they preach) then they are not saved. It can’t be said what these people have always believed though. Since salvation is by grace through faith and not of works, if you’re working for salvation, you wouldn’t be saved by grace. Romans 11:6 - Grace and works are mutually exclusive.

When did Calvinism come into the discussion lol? I'm only a few minutes in so maybe I'm missing something. Calvinism was not invented by John Calvin and Calvinism believes in a regenerate person never losing their salvation.

​@@jtbtdlkt2012 All five points of Calvinism are Satanic trash.

@@jtbtdlkt2012@25:21 - One of the men in the documentary argues against POTS. He presumes that believing in eternal life means you don’t believe one can fall away.

We do you just don't pay attention

God gave them specific instruction with the command not to eat the tree. Nonetheless, Christ’s death was foreordained before the foundation of the world. They could still receive eternal salvation by faith in Christ the same as the rest of us. - Trent

No

No. We cannot unbirth ourselves or take ourselves out of Christ.

Yes. All receive grace from God in that he died for all sin. The problem is that not all believe. - Trent

​@@BibleLinecommon grace. How does a person, who has no affinity toward God, place his confidence in someone he doesn't believe? Can you force yourself to love onions if you naturally hate them? Can you force yourself to believe in flat earth if you don't a bent toward conspiracy theory stuff? It just doesn't make sense that a person can will themselves into believing something they hate.

The command to be saved is not to love God, it’s not to work for God, it isn’t to obey God, and it isn’t to try and please him in some way. The only thing a person must do to be saved is believe in Jesus Christ for the full payment of their sin. God died for all people, and he gives all people the opportunity to believe. 1 John 2:1-2 - death for all. John 16:8-11 - conviction upon all Romans 3:20-28 - grace unto all, but salvation/justification is to those who believe. Remove the illustration of man made thinking, and the scripture is clear. - Trent

@@BibleLinePlease, to clarify. I will make it short. I trusted God everything depended on Him, then what happen was Baptism just like Jesus received in Jordan, or rather(not to blaspheme) like Paul received on the road to Damascus. But in half an hour I had my wildernesses moment, with demons roll in on me, and I flunked it, got deceived. Am I considered saved? I didn’t put my trust in Grace I had received to rebuke the devil. So am I saved still? What would happen to us if Jesus had flunked the wilderness testing? If dispensattionalism is a lie, is me failing the wilderness moment an apostasy? Why Jesus said that if a man lets old demons come back into him - it’s going to be worse than before and He doesn’t even mention a cure for it 😢?

Would Jesus say that about him?

@@J.J.-hz5fv Maybe.... he called the Pharisees (believed in works salvation)... vipers. Not a very flattering description of a person. Was he mean?

👀☠️ whoops! Shhhh it’s a secret. Jk, my thinking must’ve been backwards when typing 😬 Thanks! - Trent

@@BibleLine 😂 Make my day, bro 🌴

I would like to comment that a Christian can Never become a Reprobate or Demon Possessed because we have believed on the Lord Jesus and the New man Lives inside us, so no demons can Enter. Occupied Body. Also, only Unsaved, Rejecters of the Gospel can become Reprobates because they NEVER believed.

Read my comment above please...I love your moniker that the blood is 100%sufficient,however many many people are genuinely saved by a minimal conversion ideation,ie.even they did not grasp at that point of repentance that all sins were covered by the blood.Otherwise how could an atheist get saved on his deathbed repentance...the Gospel covers us all even if we didn't fully comprehend how many sins were paid for...you assume that Christians living under the false guilt induced by legalistic churches always think some of his sins were not paid for,as obviously his doubt,even if they indeed were covered by the blood!

@@robertofunk673 I see you liked your own comment haha. Anyways, no offense, but this is false. The Bible describes the way into heaven as NARROW and FEW there be that finds it. You don't have to comprehend the entire depth of the gospel, such as the word justification, propitiation, sanctification, etc. But there are essentials to what you must believe in. It's actually not hard to comprehend that Jesus died for your sins and actually with your atheist example, I would say it's probably way easier to get an atheist who's never heard the gospel before to trust that Jesus died for ALL sins. Why? Because when someone hears for the first time that Jesus died for every sin and no works are added to the gospel, naturally they can easily believe that their payment is paid in full by the blood and naturally believe in eternal security, after all, who can become unsaved if their payment is paid in full? It's the religious wolves in sheep's clothing that cause confusion, who say that Jesus died for every sin "BUT" you must do X Y and Z, if you believe you have to do something to help Jesus with his sacrifice, you therefore do not trust in his sacrifice for your sins as sufficient. If a child of deception teaches that you can become unsaved by sinning, it doesn't matter what they claim to believe, they do not trust in the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ to have paid for all sins. The way is narrow because people don't trust in the eternal security God promises, they think Jesus sacrifice needs their own meritorious help. Sorry, but they aren't saved, Lord haven't we done all these mighty works? Jesus will say "depart from me" Believers of conditional security believe that their works are indeed required, their beliefs are in their many wonderful works, not solely on the finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ.

@robertofunk673 The Blood of Christ isn't enough to Save if you don't acknowledge the Death, Burial and Resurrection. The Gospel is a Package deal, and to be Saved, Someone has to believe the Whole message.

So you believe if Noah Abraham wouldn't of did these things you believe they'd went to hell? When Moses didn't listen to God an struck the rock again he didn't loose salvation for not listening did he he was chastised but no lost of salvation David committed adultery murder killed lord knows how many men an who knows what else an he was God's Chosen you think those instances they talked about in the Bible where the only sins these guys committed? You believe in order to receive grace an be sealed is like a tryout that okay once u accept Christ there a waiting period before your sealed with the holy spirit scripture says otherwise your comparing old testament covenant with new testament covenant Acts 11:15-18 (KJV 1900): 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. 16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God? 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. None of these gentiles had perform nothing to receive Gods grace or the holy spirit but by accepting the Gospel of salvation

Noah didn't not build the ark because he knew if he didn't civilization as we know it would a ended you actually believe he'd ended up in hell if he didn't build the ark Noah believed an had faith that what God was saying was gonna happen had nothing to do with justifying himself to God I don't understand how people believe brethren can come under condemnation when Christ says Explicitly will not happen

You can only "receive grace" by believing the gospel by faith in Christ alone. That's it. Romans 4v5 kjv teaches no works are needed only faith for forgiveness of ones sins.

Yesterday I watched short clip about Einstein . How he once went to some university and taught. He did some simple calculation,and with one he did obvious mistake (on purpose). And the whole class started to laugh. Like look great Einstein can't do simple calculation. So he waited until they have stopped,and said...""No matter how good is someone is, man will never see and congratulate. But they will always come after him if he make mistake. And even the greatest man make mistake,the only one who don't make mistake is.........the one who do nothing...NO WORKS Faith / NO WORKS

But they believe a believer isn't sealed though? Like he can forfeit something he played no part in earning, just receiving the free gift as ephesians, galatians, romans and the whole bible states. All men sinned and deserve wrath, but God rich in mercy draws all men to his provision in Christ alone. And by receiving the gospel they are saved from judgment wrath. If someone doesn't believe in God that he imputes righteousness by faith, the wrath of God abides. TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE. 1. THOSE UNDER GODS WRATH. 2. THOSE NEVER AGAIN APPOINTED TO WRATH, SEALED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE, WASHED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB!

This pastor is helping babes in Christ understand that we are eternally secure, showing them how people twist scripture to say we are not eternally secure, and giving those babes assurance in their salvation. You’re denigrating him for THAT? Is that your display of a “pure heart”? Yikes!

@@krissyyoung9264 Oh I didn’t watch the video, I thought he was against OSAS and if you will notice and re read my post it was totally for OSAS so I don’t know what the hell you are talking about in that regards. Anyway, I was a believer for over 50 years and I can assure you that the entire New Testament is 100% man made and has nothing to do with a God. No Almighty is that unintelligent and petty but 1st century mankind sure was.

@@krissyyoung9264 And bear with a minute Krissy. I am so thankful to have grown up a Lutheran Christian. The gospel story has helped millions and millions get through life. Jesus is a big Teddy bear from cradle to grave But But Look at the Jesus story from a logical and reasonable perspective. It's pathetic. It is actually more a story of hate and soul damnation. than it is love. It condemns every soul in the entire world to an eternity of fire and torture if they don't believe it. That is incredibly childish, immature and just plain evil. and...not true...(Of course)

⁠​⁠@@Bob.55As for “what the hell” I’m talking about, I’ll just let your heretical comments explain on my behalf. No further explanation needed here.

What? Jesus is eternal life and the devil tempted him.

To keep us from fulfilling the great commission. Just like David, Lot, Moses old testament saints were caught up in sin and it ruined their usefulness to God. Moses couldn't even enter the promise land, David couldn't build the temple because of blood on his hands, Lot lost his whole family to sin and their offspring were a reproach. Remember the bible calls us to give reasonable service as a living sacrifice, SERVICE. To bring a great harvest of souls to God, we don't do it to earn salvation. Christ was the only sacrifice to appease His wrath. Our righteousness are filthy rags. Satan will stop at nothing to keep us from preaching to lost souls. ‭Romans 10:13-15 [13] For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. [14] How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a PREACHER? [15] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

You answered your own question. You think saved people aren't tempted? What world are you living in? JESUS Christ was tempted.

Saved people are a bigger target for the devil, he doesn't need to go after the unsaved, they are already in his hand.

Ur still gonna be tempted on earth that's not gonna change

I didn't realize Jesus was commenting on KZfaq videos. You must be Jesus since you overcame your sin.

Wait... how do we 'overcome our sins'? What the bible says on overcomers: ‭Revelation 12:11 [11] And they overcame him by the BLOOD of the LAMB, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. What can wash away my sins nothing but the BLOOD of Jesus! Jesus overcame my sin DEBT, he paid it ALL I owe all to him out of gratitude not fear. I don't earn his blood in fact I don't deserve it. ‭Revelation 3:21 [21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Did Jesus have to overcome his sin to be saved? NO silly he had no sin ever! Our own overcoming in life grants rewards like reigning with Christ vs21. Christ's own overcoming on the cross freely grants eternal life to all who trust his blood. Our works are only to bring much fruit to the harvest of souls. God bless

​@jameswilson9361 you will never overcome sin

@@AndreweliteExactly. Jesus overcame it on the cross. I was trying to show her an overcomer still trusts in only his blood. Maybe I worded it wrong, sorry brother.

The wages of sin is death…BUT the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Romans 6:23). You can’t go to hell because of sin if you’ve believed. Sin/death has no more power over us. “For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.” Romans 6:14 KJV “O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Corinthians 15:55-57 KJV

Huh?

Ephesians 1:13-14, John 6:38-40, what MUST one do to be saved? Acts 16:30-31 King James Version 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what MUST I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. PERIOD.

As someone who is supposedly a biblical scholar you should know this basic principle.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Works burned at the judgment seat of Christ= man still saved.

Literally anyone who teaches free grace teaches it as rewards. This is not a new teaching. Dr. Andy Woods teaches those passages in a similar manner. He was literally a professor at a university, so there is at least one theologian who teaches that way.

So is a prize not a reward?

How is Romans 11 not about salvation? Are you serious? You just contradicted yourself right after you said that and said, “what is this about? This is about God salvific program” Of course God is talking about cutting you off from your salvation if you fall into disbelief as Israel did. What else could he possibly be talking about? Gifts? Treasures? Crowns? Absolutely laughable