Read the next verse.

@@christsavesreadromans1096 Here's the next verse. ''For we are His workmanship created In Christ Jesus FOR good works which He prepared before hand so that we would walk In them.'' Notice It's FOR good works not BY works. Two different things. Also If works save us, then Paul's statement that '' NOT of works least anyone should boast'' would make no sense. It would contradict his last statement. You need to learn how to understand context.

@@christsavesreadromans1096 I also suggest you read Galatians chapters 1-3, to understand better the role of works, and the law.

@@mariosangermano It’s clear that Paul meant that the original justification is by grace, through faith, apart from works, but that after being sanctified a believer would be expected to walk in the works which were planned for them in advance; especially considering verses like Matthew 25:31-46, which teaches that all who don’t care for the least are sent into eternal hellfire. Paul still warned that one cannot live according to the flesh or they will die; Rom 8:13 “For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.” That a Christian cannot judge others, or that they will be condemned; Rom 2:1 “Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.” That a Christian who continues in sin will not inherit the kingdom of God Gal 5:19-21 “Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.” And that the only thing that counts is faith working through love; Galatians 5:6 “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.” So don’t paint Paul as a figure who believed in saved by faith alone, when he clearly expressed that repentance is necessary, and that love must come from your faith for it to count for anything. Saved by faith alone, to the exclusion of love or repentance is heresy, and a false gospel.

@@mariosangermano you are right! However, do you also remember when Paul said to be careful about biting and devouring one another? ((Galatians 5:15)Your last sentence reminded me of that. Totally get the frustration but we’ve got to be careful. 👍

Thank you so much! Glad we can be of help! - Trent

In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says, “There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.” This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." Jesse’s response to this verse was, “That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.” First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says, “1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.” In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.” In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12) It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says, 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.

But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men. In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ. I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes, “A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pM1kh5mHu9_RmIU.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY) This why, in the video above, he also said, “You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.” Is that true? No. It’s heresy. Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.” In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see, “26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.” 1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic, "3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us. In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this: “4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.” No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20), “16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” In John 15, Jesus also says, “5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.” IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42).

@@waynerossiter9962 their argument is they never believed. Which I can accept. Parable of the word. But Jesse takes it to a new level. Not that they aren’t of us. But they are true believers and need no repentance and will enter into heaven as a fornicator and a heretic. Getting close to universalism. He will end up a universalist in 10 years. That’s what the end of his doctrine is. Everybody is saved. Everybody goes to Heaven. My pastor as a kid went that route. Now he has lost his mind. Left Jesus Completely. But listening to Jesse Martinez isntead of Andrew Murray or others like Him who lived a Holy life or just the Bible alone is in itself a curse bc we are trusting in men. Jesse will leave men confused and without Help. He even says deliverance is not of God. We don’t need deliverance. Little does he realize the word salvation also means deliverance from evil Spirits, False teachers are driven by evil spirits. One sign is they are super fat bc they can’t stop eating(not kidding). Not always a rule. But look how fat some of the false teachers get. HUGE!!! And they have a thyroid. And if not food it’s money and things. Nice cars, homes. Etc. Sometimes don’t even have to hear their doctrine.

Exactly. Satan usually mixes in just a little bit of error with the truth. No different than rat poison! - Trent

Calvinists have to use biblical concepts like "faith alone" while denying the truth at the same time. "Salvation by faith alone" has no meaning given the reformed theological framework.

"But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."

Agreed. That’s exactly right. - Trent

He doesn’t. Like all Calvin followers.

If you're honestly asking this question, you know very little about Piper or his teachings and refused to pay attention and/or listen, which is unfortunate, and a product of the erroneous teaching of this video here. Piper does not believe in "killing enough sin to get into heaven," whatsoever. His words were taken out of context and shredded semantically. Piper referenced: “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing ; it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Eph 2:8-9 To answer your question, Piper has assurance of his salvation because he can see the evidence of his faith in his life. That's the point of his message. Knowing, being assured in your faith. He's not talking about works being the means of entry into heaven, but the essential effect/evidence of faith. You cannot know if your faith is real unless it has produced a transformation in your life. James - "Faith without works is dead." You either have faith or you don't, and how can anyone know? A real transformation of your life. You desire to kill sin and to live selflessly and to love your enemies. Essential evidence. Not the means, but the evidence.

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Exactly! How much is enough? Jesus tells us to be as perfect as the Father in heaven. I know I can't be that perfect.

That’s a solid point. - Trent

It's because it's all about man in his eyes. He doesn't understand God's grace.

AMEN!! That's a great point. Calvinists are notorious for never mentioning the blood or the cross. I made that point repeatedly to calvinist ministers, and of course they just jump to another verse or topic to deflect it. Liars like to hide in the dark. Calvinism is crafted by liars.

"The other side of Calvinism" by Laurence Vance is a great dismantling of calvinism.

Piper is weird. And expresses himself so poorly.

Thanks for the encouragement!! - Trent

@@BibleLine Thank You Trent and Pastor Jesse Martinez and everyone at BibleLine .Dr Andy Woods is also another Excellent Pastor along with Dr Cucuzza and Dr J B Hixson just to name some EXCELLENT pastors to listen to. This is in addition to the great work being done by BibleLine

Thank you Sharmaine! Walking in the Spirit is very important, but faith in Jesus Christ comes first. Glad we could help you. - Trent

@@BibleLine Yes, Faith in Jesus first. Thank you so much I feel at peace now. God Bless you all & 🙏 Prayers.

Thank you! - Trent

Thank you so much!! - Trent

Yes!!! - Trent

Yes. Notice what we have access to by faith…and in what do we stand. We are saved by Grace through faith. Without Grace there would be nothing to have faith in. But yes, it’s faith not works lest any should boast

I hope that your subscribing was not based on this video. Jesse is in danger of being a false witness who sows discord among brethren in addition to being one of those people Peter warns about in 2nd Peter 3:16 by misappropiating Romans in this video, it sure did seem to tickle some ears though.

That's awesome Cindy! Pastor Jesse understands God's grace, piper doesn't. It's that simple. Praise Jesus for saving us. Blessed be Your Holy Name Lord.

One more thought… doesn’t it seem realistic to believe that if someone continues to purposely live in sin after believing in Christ as Savior, that it’s possible that that person doesn’t really believe..? As I type this question out I’m thinking maybe that’s none of our business anyway…

@@freenbnmeA person is sealed with the Holy Spirit the MOMENT they put their faith in Jesus Christ alone. They are eternally saved. They couldn’t go to hell even if they wanted to because they are in Christ’s hand, which is in the Father’s hand.

@@HarpsDad22yes I take great comfort in that scripture! Thank you for the reminder:)

In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says, “There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.” This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." Jesse’s response to this verse was, “That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.” First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says, “1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.” In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.” In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12) It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says, 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.

But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men. In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ. I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes, “A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pM1kh5mHu9_RmIU.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY) This why, in the video above, he also said, “You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.” Is that true? No. It’s heresy. Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.” In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see, “26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.” 1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic, "3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us. In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this: “4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.” No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20), “16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” In John 15, Jesus also says, “5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.” IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42). So, how do we make sense of all the passages where Paul says we are saved by faith, and not works? Every place Paul talks about us being saved through faith, and not by works, he is explicitly talking about the works of the law (i.e. the 1st Covenant and the laws of Moses). Paul was trying to knock down those who would Judaize the faith. These false teachers were forcing Jewish law on Christian gentiles, holding that, once we meet Christ in faith, the Old Covenant legalism still applies. This is clearly seen in places like Romans 3:21-31, Galatians 2:15-16 (actually the whole chapter), Galatians 3:1-14 (again, pretty much the whole chapter). The Old Covenant (and the Law) is dead (Hebrews 8:13, 10:1-18). To be sure, we are saved by grace, through faith (Ephesians 2:8). There is only one propitiation for our sin, and that is the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross (Romans 3:25, and notice again, it is received by faith). Obviously, many other passages also say this (John 3:15, Acts 2:38, Romans 10:10, Galatians 2:16, etc). Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for all sin (John 1:29, 3:16-18, 1 Timothy 2:4-5, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 John 2:2, etc.). 3. If someone comes to genuine faith, they are a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17, Galatians 6:15), they are given a new heart (Ezekiel 36:26-27), the are sealed by the Spirit (2 Corinthians 1:22 and 5:5, Ephesians 1:13), and they have repented of their sins (which means to turn away…i.e., change behavior). I will be careful here not to use the word “works.” This is not about following the Old Covenant laws of the Jews. But, we WILL bear fruit, in the form of the fruits of the spirit. The Bible actually teaches that obedience to Christ is our proof that we love and trust Him (John 8:31, John 14:15, John 17:6 and of course, places like Hebrews 11 and James 2:24). Obedience is also our proof that we belong to Him. Failure to produce fruit indicates that we are not in Christ, and He is not in us. (Matthew 3:8, John 15:1-14, 1 John 2:3-6, 1 John 3:4-10). Once we understand this, the full assembly of his writings make more sense. Paul also clearly understands that no one can be saved by their works, because all are sinners and fall short (Romans 3:23, Romans 4:4-5). I think all Christians are in agreement here. Jesus fulfills, completes, and perfects the law (Matthew 5:20-again, from verse 5:19 to 5:48, we see the requirement is impossible to us, but accomplished through Jesus). The same Paul who labors over the inability for works to save us also tells us to work out a faith with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12-13) and to run the race so as not to be disqualified (1 Corinthians 9:24-27, Philippians 3:10-14). The author of Hebrews says the same (Hebrews 12:1-12). (notice also Romans 1:5…obedience).

Thank you!! - Trent

In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says, “There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.” This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." Jesse’s response to this verse was, “That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.” First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says, “1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.” In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.” In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12) It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says, 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.

But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men. In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ. I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes, “A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pM1kh5mHu9_RmIU.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY) This why, in the video above, he also said, “You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.” Is that true? No. It’s heresy. Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.” In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see, “26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.” 1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic, "3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us. In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this: “4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.” No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20), “16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” In John 15, Jesus also says, “5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.” IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42).

@@waynerossiter9962 THe scriptures you pasted from Matthew to make your point about works seem to have you confused. Why would Jesus tells us MANY times , those who believe in Him will have eternal life and never perish? But then in Matthew He says those who stand firm or persevere will be saved? Contradiction? No. Context is everything. Jesus is talking about the end times in tribulation. Saved is NOT salvation of the soul in those verses, but deliverance . Where in John 3 does Jesus tells people to persevere to be saved, salvation of the soul, to enter heaven? John 3 is the ONLY chapter in the bible that explains how we are saved. In fact, Jesus repeats this FOUR times for those who teach something false. He knew that the true gospel would be perverted into Jesus plus us equals getting saved. If you think anything you do helps you get into heaven, you may want to consider the people who thought the same as you in Matthew 7:21. They did many things for the Lord. He said, " I never knew you" He said they were workers of iniquity. Salvation is being BORN AGAIN. We are new creatures the MOMENT we place our faith and trust in Jesus , Ephesians 1 , 1 John 5. Salvation is NOT a reward for perseverance , obedience, or anything WE DO. You limit the power of God to save, and to finish what he started in you when you PUT your efforts in the process. Jesse has the correct gospel. We are saved, justified, BY GRACE through faith, not works so no man can brag. We don't get bragging rights. We deserve hell, and death. But Gods mercy enables us to be with Him because OF THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

Amen! Whenever people are not sure on clear stuff on the Bible like these I say better just turn your back to it and take a stance on it being heresy. These "gray" areas of faith plus works vain philosophy folks mess up our lives and lead unbelievers eventually to hell. Jesus ALONE, not faith plus works for heaven

100% pure heresy

If this is not heresy, I don't know what is.

I am not aware of any online preacher more devoted to the authority of the Bible than John Piper

@@ead630 Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Very well stated. We desire Piper to see the truth! - Trent

Amen!

It’s the ole alone thing. Why add that? Everyone knows it’s a tough doctrine. Can read “For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.” Then can read this “But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” So mix those 2 and you have the truth. Basically we still need to do. We still have to seek mercy and believe and give mercy and love. Abraham still had to put Isaac on the alter before God imputed righteousness to Him. It wasn’t works of the law of Moses. He still followed up and did what God told him to do. What does Jesus tell us to do that James speaks on? And John and Paul and Peter? Something to think about. I would stick with old dudes like Andrew Murray. They do much better than any young pastor

@@Rileyed "So mix those 2 and you have the truth." I do not approve of this method of bible study, but I appreciate the sentiment behind your comment.

@@minorsingingairhead well can’t preach one and ignore the other. Which is what most do. So people fight. When both are true. It’s called the whole counsel of God(reality) vs being a picker and chooser(heresy). You will find this scenario many times in the word. “Don’t rebuke and fool; rebuke a fool”. Gods calls us to go deep. Deep calls to deep. And in the light we have light. Shallow Christianity is a major issue today. No understanding of basic things of life in God. Nobody even knows the new law we are under. Though it’s taught well over 100 times. And if one preaches the new law you are called Satan and attacked. Much better to read the word a lot. But then will find many online do not read the word and call others heretics. Dangerous game we play. You just condemned Jesus brother James. Who said faith alone won’t save. What is faith without grace? What is faith with an impure heart(no repentance?). New doctrines just confuse

Calvinism is probably the largest and most ferocious of heresies today. It makes out God to be a monster. It is nothing but bad news. Thank you for the good words. - Trent

@HowAboutThat224 Agreed! I know MANY "Southern Baptists" (who are not Calvinists), but, who don't see any issue allowing Calvinism to be taught under the same roof as the TRUTH. Most compromise when it comes down to 💲

Well it is what Christian’s have believed for many centuries and it’s biblical that is why it is accepted.

@@Freed98 you shouldn’t believe something to be true just because it’s old. Catholics use that argument all the time. Calvinism isn’t biblical, but you’re going to have to pray about that and figure it out for yourself.

@@BibleLine BrotherTrent, imagine this, you own a company and a person comes asking for a job. You give him an application and tell him to go home, fill it out, get fingerprinted and return on Monday morning at 8am. So the guy shows up on Monday at 8am and wants to immediately begin working, you ask for the application and the other requirements, but he says " you told me to be here on Monday morning at 8, I'm here." You reply " yes I did say that, but I said other things too". Like the hypothetical requirements for employment in this analogy, the Bible says multiple things about salvation, it says other things too. There are cost verses and benefit verses, so to speak. Like I said to you in previous messages , most gravitate to one side to the exclusion of the other. And they will only quote one set.. But they're both in there and they're both true. And they don't contradict. Listen Brother, GOD has given me a love for the souls of men, this is why I'm persistent in replying to Pastor Jesse's teaching. I believe it is very dangerous. Please guys, fast and pray and seek GOD about the matter. You will have to give an account if anyone is led astray and ends up perishing.

You’re right on target! We pray that he gets it right. Maybe he will see this video haha! - Trent

Yeah, as a creator on KZfaq, you have the ability to limit the comment section. We try to leave ours open for anything; even those who disagree. Big channels probably turn up the restrictions due to spam. - Trent

@@BibleLine interesting I'd like to see if any Calvinists have comments open and available, I bet not many

Yeah. We just want to reach people. Maybe a comment reply can help! Lots of people lacking assurance and needing answers. - Trent

If you think Calvinism teaches a works based salvation and that Is what John MacArthur teaches, then you are truly ignorant of Calvinism and John MacArthur. Let's talk.

Thank you! - Trent

Thank you for watching! - Trent

Yes, the way in which we live our lives helps to reach others with the gospel. The works we do profits others. Many people just rip this verse out of context and misuse it. - Trent

In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says, “There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.” This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." Jesse’s response to this verse was, “That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.” First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says, “1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.” In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.” In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12) It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says, 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.

Thank you. Salvation is plain and simple, and we should not complicate it! Salvation is free! Serving the Lord should not feel like a yoke of bondage, but we should serve out of love and because of what Christ has done for us. - Trent

In this video, Pastor Jesse Martinez says, “There is no set of circumstances where a person is justified, which means declared righteous, in a good standing in court of God. There is no biblical support that that ever comes by your works.” This is flatly false. In James 2:24 says, "You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone." Jesse’s response to this verse was, “That’s justification before men, not before God. You can see this if you start in James 1:1 as opposed to James 2:14.” First, that response doesn’t even make sense, and I hope all of you following him see that. Imagine what that would mean. James would be saying that we are obedient to Christ so that we are found righteous before men. Moreover, what men? Believers? Nonbelievers? This is heresy folks. We are not, in any way, justified or made righteous before men. In fact, the Bible speaks directly against it. In 1 Corinthians 4:1-4, Paul says, “1This, then, is how you ought to regard us: as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the mysteries God has revealed. 2 Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.” In 1 Thessalonians 2:4, he says, “On the contrary, we speak as those approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel. We are not trying to please people but God, who tests our hearts.” In Galatians 1:10 Paul says, “Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.” Jesus also spoke this idea of justification or righteousness before men. In Luke 16:15, he says, “You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of others, but God knows your hearts. What people value highly is detestable in God’s sight.” And, in Luke 6:26, Jesus says, “Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.” (see also Matthew 23:5-12) It is impossible to please men and please God (Matthew 6:24). In fact, Jesus says it will be just the opposite. In Matthew 10:22, Jesus tells His disciples, “You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” This applies to all of us. In Matthew 24:9-13, He says, 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Notice that Jesus indicates that we must persevere in order to be saved. Jesse Martinez teaches otherwise.

But, if we take the bait and go back to James 1 in order to provide context for James 2:24, let’s see what we find. The book begins with an encouragement to persevere. There’s nothing here that looks like any description of what might represent justification before men. In verse 12, we read, “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.” So, only those who stand the test (persevere) will receive the crown of life…because those are who love Christ. I will return to more passages where Jesus and the apostles define the characteristics of those who love Him (see John 14:15-23, 1 John 5:2). But, it’s of no use to Jesse Martinez, because he believes, “A believer can absolutely 100% fall from truth, grace, become apostate and live a sinful, wicked lifestyle. He is still saved because of his initial faith in Christ.” (He said this in our discussion here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pM1kh5mHu9_RmIU.html&lc=Ugw60zewEdxU_JXr1BZ4AaABAg.9guW2JcrAdzA3iYYf1-eJY) This why, in the video above, he also said, “You believe, you receive. You are positionally in Christ and that will never change regardless of how you behave.” Is that true? No. It’s heresy. Hebrews 3:14 says, “14 We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.” In Hebrews 10:26-27, we see, “26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.” 1 John 2:3-6 is definitive on this topic, "3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did." This is not about righteousness before men. This is about whether or not we are in Christ and He is in us. In 1 John 3:4-10, we see another definitive treatment of this: “4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness. 5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin. 6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him. 7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.” No one who continues to sin knows Him. If you don’t believe that, you’re led astray (by false teacher like Jess Martinez). The reason is because it is impossible for a genuine believer to go on in sin, because the seed of God (the Holy Spirit) dwells in us. This is why Jesus explicitly says (Matthew 7:16-20), “16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” In John 15, Jesus also says, “5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.” IF you remain in Christ, THEN you WILL produce fruit. It’s not optional, because fruit is an outpouring of genuine faith, wherein we have received Christ in our heart, and begin living as a new creation. Jesse tries to say that this is again some kind of judgement before men. But, references to being cut out and burned are identical to other passages where Jesus uses them to indicate damnation (Matthew 3:8-10, Matthew 7:19, Matthew 13:37-42).

Thank you! - Trent

Do you really think that anybody today believes the idea "we are saved by works"? Isn't it a strawman argument? But if you mean to say that even obedience to christ is not required for salvation, then you are not in Chtist.

😂😂😂😂 You couldn't have said it better

I'm sitting here in a Wendy's and reading comments and you just made me laugh out loud.

Defensive people get loud and animated like that. People that are speaking Truth do so calmly and confidently.

@@sorenpx 🤣just did..

He creeps me out.

Read Romans chapters 3-5 (king James version) and really mediate on what is being said. Those chapters are awesome for that.

^ Yes. Also 1 John 5:10-20 - Trent

@@BibleLine verse 15 just blew my mind. "If we know that he hears us in whatever we ask [regarding prayer], we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him" For about 8 months Ive had the exact same idea about prayer. That when we pray, our minds remember that we prayed about that thing. Which means when the prayer is answered, our minds can remember that thing we prayed about and therefore attribute the solution to God. I didn't read this idea first in 1 John, I meditated on the idea of prayer and this idea came to me in thought. Thats wild man

I feel ya; Calvinism is crazy-making. Trust Jesus alone to save you. Your works have nothing to do with it.

The tragic is when calvinists misrepresent God and call it biblical, then the closest ones to them turn their backs to God because in that false soteriology of calvinism God hates some people from their birth and He did not send Jesus to die for them

It is difficult for me to find much concerning Tom Horn’s gospel message beliefs. Most of what I find is end times and content of the like. He clearly accepts scripture and the deity of Christ, but I can’t find a gospel message from him - yet lol. We’ll perhaps make a react video if we find something. - Trent

Did you miss the part of this video that talks about 1 Corinthians 3? You are still saved regardless of your works. You SHOULD do good works based on the foundation of Christ and it will get tested and then you may receive a reward. We just don't know what the rewards are. However, it is about the motive of the good works. Are you doing good works to earn salvation to get into heaven? 1 Corinthians 3:13-15 KJV every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Yes I noticed a little bit of that. If someone really had a trip to heaven and back (or hell), I’m sure the only words from them would be the gospel. Also, it’s just impossible because he doesn’t have his glorified body - nor is he only a spirit; he’s the same dude (Absent from the body, present with the Lord). - Trent

Yes because all the sin is paid. - Trent

@@BibleLine thank you for your help

Spot on! - Trent

You're right he did receive grace in his last moments, and then he went on to rebuke the other thief who had blasphemed Christ, confessed his own sin, and honored Christ in front of the bloodthirsty crowd that had gathered, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said to Jesus, “Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom.” He in fact did do the works spoken of in Ephesians 2:10. Some of us only have moments, others have years. Works are the product of salvation not the cause of salvation. Piper is speaking on James 2:14-26, particularly 18-24, the dead faith. We are not saved by faith, we are saved by grace through faith.

He displayed evidence of his faith, i.e. was transformed. That's what Piper is referring to. If your faith is real, you will be transformed and desire to do good works and repent and etc. If there's no evidence like this in your life, you simply don't have faith, even if you say you do.

Yes. It is following Christ. Discipleship has nothing to do with salvation. - Trent

Thank you so much! - Trent

If I may ask, why do you state that?

@@davidfarr1976 Hi, because I’m learning a different view other than Lordship salvation which I have been taught so much this whole time. I want this teaching to be true because it’s so freeing and makes me so grateful for what Jesus did for me.

@@vanessadesirechavez Let’s say you were “free” to do what you want. Would you hope to desire to live according to the flesh or to live in accordance with the Spirit?

@@davidfarr1976 According to the Spirit 🤍

Haha! Sadly his logic is unfounded in scripture. Thanks for watching. - Trent

We have content on this passage. Search our channel with “James 2.” - Trent

The fruit of the Spirit is holiness. It is not sinful. The freedom you have in Christ allows you to live holy. This in no way is a proof of salvation or a prerequisite for salvation. The passage is written to saved people telling them not to use their grace as a license to sin. This is because saved people DO use their grace as a license to sin - sadly. They're still saved though. How prideful to assume you live holy enough all the time. It is not MY holy living, but it is GOD's justification that saved me. - Trent

@@BibleLine yes sir, that's what I was implying by this verse. I think also our nature is changed at the new birth and this new nature causes us to live more holy. Our holiness is the fruit and not the root of our relationship with God.

I see. I do believe the scripture states we receive a new nature, but the old nature also remains. You are born, but you are born again. The sin nature (1st birth) resides in your body. The new nature is the new spirit (2nd birth) that is from God. These two exist at the same time in the believer. This is the reason why you CAN live holy and you CAN live wicked. It depends on what nature you serve. Gal. 5:16-23 - Trent

Yes!!

Piper

Exactly

I hope he’s saved, but according to what he teaches, you are correct. - Trent

Thank you so much! Catholicism and Calvinism aren’t too far off from each other tbh. Both mix in works some which-a-way. - Trent

@@BibleLine Do you know of a sound church like yours in the Palm Beach Broward County area. The last church I was attending was a Baptist Church affiliated with the Southern Baptist. Albert Mohler spoke at one of the services I attended. I discovered a lot of the church leaders were talking about election and predestination a strange way at least to me. I was not familiar with the acronym TULIP. I now have a good understanding of Calvinism. I think its not just a secondary issue but denies the true Gospel and is to be avoided at all cost.

Catholicism and Calvinism aren't too far off from each other??? As a former RC and a Calvinist, I can tell you with all due respect you should get an education on Roman Catholicism and Calvinism because your ignorance Is palpable. Let's talk.