Paul Morphy is Not Strong: The Refutation | Mastering the Middlegame - GM Ben Finegold

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Saint Louis Chess Club

Saint Louis Chess Club

7 жыл бұрын

Grandmaster Ben Finegold can't believe that GM Friedel said that, if Paul Morphy were alive today, Morphy wouldn't have master strength. See the case for Morphy being one of the greatest ever.
2016.09.27
Paul Morphy vs Alexander Beaufort Meek, 1st American Chess Congress (1857): C00 French defence
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Paul Morphy vs Henri Baucher, blindfold simul (1858): C41 Philidor, exchange variation
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@theo7371
@theo7371 7 жыл бұрын
Saying Paul Morphy was not a strong chess player is like saying Archimedes was not a good Mathematician.
@Zeppelin616
@Zeppelin616 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't understand how anyone could say Morphy wasn't a master-level player. I would say he could compete with 2700-level players today if he was given time to learn modern theory.
@jonathanmarin7147
@jonathanmarin7147 7 жыл бұрын
Amen brother. discussion is over.
@legobrickology9167
@legobrickology9167 7 жыл бұрын
Stupid, small-minded people enjoy pushing geniuses aside. Such a pity. To my mind, Morphy was not only one of the only true chess geniuses and the greatest player to ever live; Morphy was the first true world champion with the title of 'greatest player in the world', years before, having beaten pretty much everybody of the west almost completely with ease, clearly able to beat the first world chess champion, and having held records of 'first modern chess player', and having held the record in blindfold sims, but he was also one of the world's greatest geniuses of any field -- not just chess. You may have all heard, by now, about Magnus being 'the Mozart of chess' -- no, no, Morphy was the Mozart of chess!
@madman8382
@madman8382 7 жыл бұрын
You have to take into account that the Internet is very USA biased. I suspect that he would not be in the top 30 Russian players of all time for example. But seriously. who cares. Just enjoy the games. I agree though Archimedes... definitely up there.
@mitchellhodgemeyer
@mitchellhodgemeyer 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly! Tens of thousands of college students become reasonably good at calculus every year, but only because Newton and Leibniz developed the techniques in the seventeenth century! Do we say that Newton and Leibniz weren't that great because college students can do that stuff now?
@renatobuchert7879
@renatobuchert7879 7 жыл бұрын
"All 2100 players give blindfold simuls." I love this guy.
@triskits_mmm
@triskits_mmm 3 жыл бұрын
he is super funny
@kensanity178
@kensanity178 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, mr Red Shirt is an idiot. Nuff said.
@SrinivashM29
@SrinivashM29 11 ай бұрын
That's all they ever do.
@tomekduresov706
@tomekduresov706 9 ай бұрын
@@SrinivashM29 Asa 2103 FIDE, I can comfirm that's all I ever do.
@SrinivashM29
@SrinivashM29 9 ай бұрын
@tomekduresov706 sadly I'm a few hundred points lower but if I ever get there, that's what I'll do all day every day.
@MagmaTeja
@MagmaTeja 7 жыл бұрын
Never censor Ben.
@STLChessClub
@STLChessClub 7 жыл бұрын
Always censor Ben.
@xc5103
@xc5103 7 жыл бұрын
We don't know which one is easier!
@nicolasosorno
@nicolasosorno 7 жыл бұрын
Instead of censoring the video you should post a disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this video are those of GM Finegold and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any member of the Chess Club and Scholastic Center in Saint Louis.
@ledzeppeman
@ledzeppeman 7 жыл бұрын
You really shouldn't censor the guy though. For real.
@hogz9779
@hogz9779 7 жыл бұрын
Terrible. Never censor Ben.
@Chris-if1di
@Chris-if1di 7 жыл бұрын
Abusing audience: OK Random tangent: Censored
@STLChessClub
@STLChessClub 7 жыл бұрын
You got it!
@Roger-di3ib
@Roger-di3ib 7 жыл бұрын
lmfao
@coachmcguirk6297
@coachmcguirk6297 7 жыл бұрын
Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis the editor is a neo con douchebag, is there somewhere i can watch these uncensored? the right leaning bias is pretty gross.
@JimMalmPHOTO
@JimMalmPHOTO 7 жыл бұрын
Particularly abusive to the "at home" audience in this one. Oh, and btw, I do believe I'm playing you on Chess.com right now!
@youtubenightcrawler9571
@youtubenightcrawler9571 4 жыл бұрын
@Daniel Burke The truth hurts.
@AhmedAdel-cj9im
@AhmedAdel-cj9im 7 жыл бұрын
Why did you cut out the random rambling? It's not like we're here to learn chess. Everyone who watches these videos knows that their chess is hopeless, so we're here just for the rambling, which you cut out. Terrible!
@TheErdnuss007
@TheErdnuss007 7 жыл бұрын
bc it was trump rambling maybe
@ETBrooD
@ETBrooD 7 жыл бұрын
If it's jokes they shouldn't cut it out imo...
@justsayori8363
@justsayori8363 7 жыл бұрын
They should post an uncensored version
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 7 жыл бұрын
lol
@joshuafortune5391
@joshuafortune5391 7 жыл бұрын
SLCC so deluded they think we are here for any reason other than daddy finegold. Terrible!
@sstuddert
@sstuddert 2 жыл бұрын
Morphy was literally finding moves that engines can only find with a depth of 31, and he was making these calculations in less than 15 minutes. Enough said.
@giriiyer3968
@giriiyer3968 Жыл бұрын
Not fifteen but less than five. In those days times only more than five were recorded. I believe there is only one instance of Morphy vs Paulsen where he took about twelve minutes. He usually blitzed which is quite fast even by today's standards.his opponents took a lot of time even hours which frustrated him.
@ryoma1412
@ryoma1412 Жыл бұрын
Im a big morphy fan but lets not overexaggerate... nobody, ever can do that...
@polemopoleno7104
@polemopoleno7104 Жыл бұрын
@@ryoma1412 Paul Morphy can
@ryoma1412
@ryoma1412 Жыл бұрын
paul morphy was surely better than stockfish at depth 20, ye ye
@landon8952
@landon8952 Жыл бұрын
@@ryoma1412 yeah it’s intuition. No one is calculating 30 moves deep with any reasonable amount of time, except maybe in end games
@mikelynch-zeroviewz2507
@mikelynch-zeroviewz2507 3 жыл бұрын
Fischer said Morphy was the most accurate chess player in history Strong endorsement from another chess genius
@vincentvangogh8092
@vincentvangogh8092 Жыл бұрын
i need to get a collection of Morphy games be good for my chess im sure
@CARPB147
@CARPB147 3 жыл бұрын
No one can evaluate Morphy's level properly against today's standards. To pretend it can be done is beyond absurd. Morphy learned the game as a child just by watching his father and uncle play. By 9 he was the strongest player in New Orleans. He also *retired* at the age of 22 (!!!) after playing occasionally at a time before any of the chess theory that came in the last 150 years (!) He was undoubtably the strongest player in the world in his time. That was one incredibly unusual *talent*.
@loganmyall660
@loganmyall660 Жыл бұрын
The argument that Morphy would destroy Magnus is possibly just as silly as the argument that Morphy couldn't compete with modern chess players. Talent is as talent does, and Morphy laid the grounds for modern chess as it is
@camreese
@camreese Жыл бұрын
@@loganmyall660 Morphy would right up there with Magnus today because it only makes sense. In a world where Morphy's unique mind got the same exposure to chess ideals as Magnus he would be just as good same goes for Capablanca and other geniuses of the past theyd all be 2800 in this time and maybe in 200 years theres a person who is 3000 strength, Morphy would be 3000 in that time
@cwjalexx
@cwjalexx Жыл бұрын
Comparing eras is futile. There's no way to know. It is possible that he wouldn't be as good because chess requires some different skills today than 100 years ago. It doesn't matter what your talent level is, in this era of engines a player has no chance at the top level if they don't have both a strong memory and work ethic to study deep engine preparation. It's likely Morphy would be good but it's not a guarantee that he would be a top X player.
@user-yc3tf4wz2x
@user-yc3tf4wz2x Жыл бұрын
@@cwjalexx what if morphy learned modern theory?
@innosanto
@innosanto 7 ай бұрын
It was almost alien-like the level he had.
@theinstigatorr
@theinstigatorr 7 жыл бұрын
The only reason I'm subscribed to this channel is Ben Finegold
@skakofilsanonims4434
@skakofilsanonims4434 7 жыл бұрын
Seirawan is worth too see also. And Akobian makes great videos sometimes too.
@nublord365
@nublord365 7 жыл бұрын
Ben is definitely the draw for me too. I enjoy Yasser and Schranz too, though.
@serdarkarakas4137
@serdarkarakas4137 7 жыл бұрын
I am not sure about Seirawan. I wouldn't subscribe to a Yasser channel.
@atreorey
@atreorey 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, subscribe at the begining of Finegold Season, unsubscribe at season finale.
@emir2591
@emir2591 7 жыл бұрын
theinstigatorr same
@jonmaxwell74
@jonmaxwell74 7 жыл бұрын
Paul Morphy may have been the #1 most advanced player to ever play chess; furthermore, Morphy may have been the most beautiful chess artist ever, and it was 8th World Champion Tal that said "Chess, first of all, is art."
@innosanto
@innosanto 7 ай бұрын
Morphy may be the greatest genius in chess history.
@richnern4601
@richnern4601 7 жыл бұрын
So much of Ben's random rambling cut out... terrible
@DucksDeLucks
@DucksDeLucks 7 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU BEN FINEGOLD for defending the honor of the great Paul Morphy! Saying Morphy would lose to an average player today is like saying Newton couldn't pass a current physics exam. There have been developments in Physics since Newton's time so he would have to spend some time LEARNING them in order to pass the test. But once he learned them, he would blow the doors off the average physics student. If Paul Morphy came up today and had the same tools and research available to him that others players do, his undeniable genius would soon show and he would be one of the best if not the best. Ben is actually the best! Love your commentary, and your common sense!
@nublord365
@nublord365 7 жыл бұрын
The rambling is the best part of these. Love the chess, love Ben! Leave it uncut :)
@ashesreignited
@ashesreignited 5 жыл бұрын
I love your comments about Morphy. It amazes me how people can downplay a guy who probably had more natural talent and creative genius than many of the players even in the 2000 range
@innosanto
@innosanto 7 ай бұрын
Than all players maybe
@DucksDeLucks
@DucksDeLucks 7 жыл бұрын
Morphy was a great, great talent. If he lived today he would make use of all the tools that other current players use and that is the only fair way to think about it.
@camreese
@camreese Жыл бұрын
And with those tools he would be as good as Magnus. Its unfair to say hed be better and its disrespectful to say hed be worse
@innosanto
@innosanto 7 ай бұрын
May be Greatest genius in history of chess.
@innosanto
@innosanto 7 ай бұрын
@@camreesehe would be better than Magnus probably.
@austinsmith9998
@austinsmith9998 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Ben is getting censored every time he makes a Trump statement.
@lolwhatyesme651
@lolwhatyesme651 7 жыл бұрын
The censoring is so annoying ,_, Good video. Hope Friedel sees it :)
@fo0l913
@fo0l913 7 жыл бұрын
Austin Smith Finegold is shook! Get with the program Ben we're MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
@brandonguthrie2151
@brandonguthrie2151 7 жыл бұрын
Ben isn't an idiot. He voted for Bernie.
@jamesa54321
@jamesa54321 7 жыл бұрын
I think we should have an entire politics themed chess lecture from Ben
@Scy
@Scy 7 жыл бұрын
> Ben isn't an idiot. He voted for Bernie. Now there's a self contradicting statement.
@JohnSutcliffe1988
@JohnSutcliffe1988 7 жыл бұрын
For sure don't edit Ben Finegold.. Every Finegold moment is a good moment. Hey Ben Simon: HATEYA
@Spiritbro77
@Spiritbro77 7 жыл бұрын
I hate that Grand Master Finegold was censored. I love his videos and love his humor!
@Spiritbro77
@Spiritbro77 Жыл бұрын
@Truth Hertz You had to dig up a post from SIX years ago and that is the best you can come up with? *snicker* Wow.
@lukasg4807
@lukasg4807 Жыл бұрын
@@Spiritbro77 What'd he say? lmao
@Spiritbro77
@Spiritbro77 Жыл бұрын
@@lukasg4807 A disparaging remark about the orange madman...
@ministerofleisure
@ministerofleisure 7 жыл бұрын
lots of weird edits. very suspicious.
@-_Nuke_-
@-_Nuke_- 5 жыл бұрын
very trumpicius ;)
@PriveGitaarles
@PriveGitaarles 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Finegold is an awesome chess teacher. He is probably the only one I can listen too for longer than half an hour. Very interesting person
@softwareadministrato
@softwareadministrato 7 жыл бұрын
Boooo for mister censor who ever did that
@priyeshgavande401
@priyeshgavande401 3 жыл бұрын
Which bu?
@turul9392
@turul9392 5 ай бұрын
Finegold proves that chess and comedy are a perfect match!
@ai_serf
@ai_serf 7 жыл бұрын
YES!!!!!!! FRIDAY FRIDAY! Woot, Friday with ben, Life can't get any better. What creates happiness? "A good bank account, good digestion, and GM Ben Finegold". BTW, don't ever edit what ben says or does. Ben is my chess guru, and his word his law. I am subscribed because of ben + chess... not chess by itself.
@KancerKowboy
@KancerKowboy Жыл бұрын
These are super instructive games. Hard to believe these occurred so long ago and there is any doubt how great Morphy was.
@matthewjohnson6938
@matthewjohnson6938 7 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying these videos. My chess has gotten much better as well. Thanks much, keep cranking them out!
@satadhi
@satadhi 7 жыл бұрын
why there are so many edits, we like ben's trash talking !! please don't remove them
@antanasterleckas8725
@antanasterleckas8725 7 жыл бұрын
Nice moving around, Ben. I especially liked your hands.
@JimLink
@JimLink 7 жыл бұрын
He was moving around because he is the rotating GM.
@darrenwebb2779
@darrenwebb2779 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr Finegold for the video and thanks to the team who produced it.
@Greenbear41
@Greenbear41 7 жыл бұрын
As Always Superb! Thanks GM Ben Finegold for another OUTSTANDING lesson!~ I enjoy All of your videos, you are GREAT!
@luutzennijdam7213
@luutzennijdam7213 Жыл бұрын
Obviously, Morphy had a fotographic memory, playing blinded 8 players simultaneous like this! Incredible!
@AhPhoey
@AhPhoey 7 жыл бұрын
What people need to understand is Morphy a lot of times played troll openings and moves, like this game, on purpose. He was so far ahead of everyone else, he simply could do anything he wanted to. Against much tougher opposition, he'd adjust his moves according.
@ALEXANDRUS79
@ALEXANDRUS79 5 жыл бұрын
Simply amazing! One of the best lessons of Ben! He was really in the mood ^) THANKS!!
@KancerKowboy
@KancerKowboy Жыл бұрын
Yeah he had great energy during this one.
@danielmanahan692
@danielmanahan692 7 жыл бұрын
Your comments are insightful They Insight Violence lol... Always love Ben Finegold lectures.
@AndrewBackhouse1
@AndrewBackhouse1 7 жыл бұрын
incite*
@edwardbedrosian2272
@edwardbedrosian2272 7 жыл бұрын
andrew not getting the joke
@contactkeithstack
@contactkeithstack 6 жыл бұрын
edward bedrosian Hm it seems to me, if he had to write out his statement himself he would read "read your comments, they were very insightful, they incite violence." (Roughly) Why does spelling incite correctly lose the joke?
@caveman1356
@caveman1356 2 жыл бұрын
literally went to grab a beer as ben said someone at home went for a drink ben truly is a wizard KING BEN
@mcmcx5514
@mcmcx5514 7 жыл бұрын
Good to see you back. Please upload more Morphy games.
@vergilasmr9009
@vergilasmr9009 7 жыл бұрын
Ben makes the most entertaining chess lectures. I don't hate when it happens.
@caspera3193
@caspera3193 6 жыл бұрын
I like how well he analyses games and combines it with a nice bit of humour
@jayeshtavadia3672
@jayeshtavadia3672 7 жыл бұрын
Im sooooo happy he's back!!!!!
@jimchen1819
@jimchen1819 6 жыл бұрын
defend morphy all you want, but i know a game where morphy was spotted a knight and got checkmated in 18 moves. it was Alonzo morphy, but still
@yoloswaggins2161
@yoloswaggins2161 7 жыл бұрын
What's up with the weird cuts?
@arturosuarez-silverio5983
@arturosuarez-silverio5983 4 жыл бұрын
It’s refreshing to see and hear a spontaneous, real, non-pc presenter who doesn’t sweet talk his audience.
@seinfan9
@seinfan9 11 ай бұрын
He's very PC. He'd be homeless if he wasn't since his income is based entirely around teaching chess and he'd be run out of town by all the tolerant people.
@milliern
@milliern 7 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video, Ben. Thanks for using your wit, sarcasm, and charm to the fullest to lay waste to such a silly idea. Excellent presentation, in general. Cheers!
@peterparkerthegod
@peterparkerthegod 7 жыл бұрын
the kids must be so mind fucked half the time listening to ben haha
@renanbrazparente449
@renanbrazparente449 7 жыл бұрын
This is not the kids class
@rudiepunk85
@rudiepunk85 7 жыл бұрын
Those kids should know better
@jaimiyummy5300
@jaimiyummy5300 7 жыл бұрын
i've seen a lot of paul morphy games n find that his strategy was excellent way beyond his time.. the way he blocks his opponents frm developing then using his strongly developed pieces to crush the kings defences are awesome.. many players of today readily agree to a draw.. rather than go all out for the kill..
@XoSupaDupaXo
@XoSupaDupaXo 7 жыл бұрын
Love your lectures learning a lot keep it up 👍🏻
@pauloserafim4127
@pauloserafim4127 5 жыл бұрын
Great lecture, Morphy's games are amazing. Thanks
@sioperajj
@sioperajj 7 жыл бұрын
Suggestion for future videos: Karpov's Caro Kann (not necessarily karpov variation, but games where karpov plays the caro).
@erikhalvorseth3950
@erikhalvorseth3950 5 жыл бұрын
To say Morphy was bad isnt even funny as part of a joke. Back in those days, every move after-say move 5 was like entering the frontier. Or, like my countryman Nansen, going towards the north pole on a pair of wooden skis having 500.000km^2 ahead of him nobody knew shit about. And Morphy does it blindfolded in a simultane game. As blindfolding and simu games mattered to him. That guy was just incredible. On an equal footing he would problably crush every GM today also
@dannygjk
@dannygjk Жыл бұрын
Good analogy.
@XxxXxx-br7eq
@XxxXxx-br7eq Жыл бұрын
I agree if you took many of the strongest GMS and put them in morphys time with the resources he had he would crush them and if you would be able to do the same and take more free and put him in our era he would probably be at least as good as Carlsen if not better
@sergi-13
@sergi-13 7 жыл бұрын
Since Ben says he reads the comments.. Please, reupload your great videos that you had on your channel!
@656520
@656520 7 жыл бұрын
Wtf I want to see ALL the video! let Ben say what ever he wants to say! please stop editing
@Karen_Chess
@Karen_Chess 7 жыл бұрын
You're the best-est, Ben! Loved the video. :)
@liam314
@liam314 7 жыл бұрын
Wow! never seen Ben Simon work so hard, it was like watching zombie Finegold!
@liam314
@liam314 7 жыл бұрын
I'm fairly sure the orders must have come from the top. Mr. Sinquefield has some pretty sensitive political issues ;)
@mistercrimesb
@mistercrimesb 7 жыл бұрын
He has issues, period.
@coachmcguirk6297
@coachmcguirk6297 7 жыл бұрын
liam314 its because the owner of the chess club is also local head of his KKK chapter. it doesn't get more alt-right, neo-con than that. so obviously anything that isn't a nazi salute or strictly relating to chess is edited out.
@theillusiveman
@theillusiveman 7 жыл бұрын
Love these videos!!! Go Ben!!!
@mrhomevideo314
@mrhomevideo314 7 жыл бұрын
When does the director's cut with the bonus footage come out?
@STLChessClub
@STLChessClub 7 жыл бұрын
Never... and you'll like it!
@MsUncleKevin
@MsUncleKevin 7 жыл бұрын
More Ben Finegold videos. Because he aint boring.
@turkiyett0928
@turkiyett0928 4 жыл бұрын
Morphy formation (Nd2) popular after 75-80 years later
@ThhVkk
@ThhVkk 7 жыл бұрын
What's with all the cutting of the video?, terrible!
@johntatum1951
@johntatum1951 7 жыл бұрын
I enjoy all your videos Ben....really! Paul Morphy is inspirational...as are you!
@annasandrapalya
@annasandrapalya 7 жыл бұрын
Ben is epic and best ever. I would like to see 1 O'clock class with Ben
@annasandrapalya
@annasandrapalya 7 жыл бұрын
Kids asking Ben what is 2100, what is Paul Morphy, what is chess...........
@annasandrapalya
@annasandrapalya 7 жыл бұрын
Ben Winegold!!!!
@jakecorbett8552
@jakecorbett8552 7 жыл бұрын
These videos are really instructive. I learned what the Dennis Miller Ratio was.
@MrSupernova111
@MrSupernova111 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent lecture! Paul Morphy was a beast! Surely he had to be a strong GM even by today's standards.
@bonerici
@bonerici 7 жыл бұрын
I think Josh might have been echo-ing a statement by Bobby Fischer where Fischer said that if you brought Paul Morphy into the modern age he would be destroyed by a master. however you have to take this into context. Fischer at the time hated modern chess because he believed it was all memorize memorize memorize, play opening get advantage in the opening win. Chess had become so mechanical that there was no room for imagination. And because of this he wanted to use Paul Morphy as a surrogate to prove his point. In other words, opening theory was so important even a mere master could beat Paul Morphy because a master would gain an edge in the opening and win from it. Of course if you think this is true then you obviously haven't played through the game Capablanca Marshall, 1918 New York, with the original Marshall gambit. It's a fantastic game where Frank Marshall had been holding on to this gambit idea for a long time, ten years maybe in order to spring it on Capablanca and Capablanca fell right into it. Marshall from the opening had a good initiative but once they went into the middle game Capablanca simply out calculated out planned, out played Marshall so much so that if you go back and play over the game it's incredibly difficult to even see where Marshall went wrong. If the nay sayers are right (I'm including the great Bobby Fischer here) that means that Capablanca should have lost to Marshall. Capablanca even played the terrible h3 weakening his king's safety and almost a hundred years later we have to let the powerful chess engines run all day in order to look for improvements for Marshall's play. That's how Morphy would treat mere GM's that tried to beat him with opening prep. The same way Capablanca ruined Frank Marshall.
@serdarkarakas4137
@serdarkarakas4137 7 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@mizofan
@mizofan 7 жыл бұрын
Right, it's ironic that the game is known for Marshall's attack and it showed the brilliance of Capablanca. He was unbeaten for 8 years, including that game and the world title match v the great Lasker. It is foolish indeed to downplay the greatness of players who were giants both of their time and of chess history; on their shoulders today's top players have been able to climb.
@bonerici
@bonerici 7 жыл бұрын
"Morphy would be destroyed by a master today ONLY if Morphy had no access to any modern chess theory or books." This is the statement that me, Ben Finegold and many others disagree with. To think a mere master would beat Paul Morphy just because he knows more opening theory. I think you over-estimate how strong a mere master is. Anyway, let's just agree to disagree and I also think yes, the great Bobby Fischer was wrong too. Morphy could beat 20 masters from today in a simul blindfolded. I don't care how much opening theory you have, that's how good he was. Fischer had an agenda. He wanted to destroy modern chess and replace it all with Fischer random style. So that's why he would say stuff like that. But for anyone with a good idea of the vast difference between the strength of a grandmaster and a master, well, no, a great opening just does not give you that much of an edge.
@bonerici
@bonerici 7 жыл бұрын
Blair K yup
@1001011011010
@1001011011010 7 жыл бұрын
Fischer went on to say that we should talk about skill instead, implying Morphy was one of the most skilled chess players ever. You are talking about a match almost a hundred years old. We now have 3000+ ELO machines who calculate what should be the most optimal move however deep into the opening you want. I don't think it's a stretch. It goes so much farther than simply the first few moves, but dozens upon dozens upon dozens upon dozens of moves later. He'd have to recognize and realize weakness in a near perfect (According to our best machines) strategy within a game. Not a gambit, but actual, hard strategy. Play a few games, Morphy would probably start winning. But one game? I don't think so.
@brandonmcheyenehoward1077
@brandonmcheyenehoward1077 5 жыл бұрын
Ben is Awesome and a great speaker 🙌🙌🙌 And a worthy Grandmaster 😋
@qwezzakonsul
@qwezzakonsul 7 жыл бұрын
Ben's at it again! Hell yeah
@bobdylan6237
@bobdylan6237 7 жыл бұрын
Who's this messing with the edit? Don't mess with mah Finegold
@mtomazza
@mtomazza 7 жыл бұрын
Ben, good to know you read the comments!! nice. I learn a lot and have fun also with your videos!! :))
@ekaterinamacleod8178
@ekaterinamacleod8178 5 жыл бұрын
Well done the game helped me to understand the middle game
@owenhsalome
@owenhsalome 5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE YOU BEN FINEGOLD. You are the funniest chess commentator/videomaker on the whole internet. NEVER CHANGE
@Brice23
@Brice23 Жыл бұрын
Imagine rising to the top of the chess scene, absolutely destroying every other master without the luxury of engines or even another master to train you, and then people start talking about how bad you are. No wonder Morphy quit chess.
@archsys307
@archsys307 4 ай бұрын
It’s true I was there chilling wit my homeboy P. Morph and I got a notification for some new Finegold vid on my phonogram. And I was all like yo Morphs this dude talking hella smack dawg. And he peeped the lecture and quit chess he was so mad.
@ALCATRAAAZZ
@ALCATRAAAZZ 2 жыл бұрын
Great games! Thanks! the 2nd Will help my Center Game theory
@borisstain1881
@borisstain1881 7 жыл бұрын
Ben, please don't pay attention to what some people say. Your lectures are always very instructive mixed with sharp humour... So, keep up a good work!!! BTW, I entirely agree with you, Paul Morphy was the greatest player ever lived.
@AZLionheart312
@AZLionheart312 7 жыл бұрын
The saltiness is real! I love it! Welcome back, GM Finegold! :D
@lorenzoll9331
@lorenzoll9331 7 жыл бұрын
Who edit this video, Mike Kummer, Ken West?
@Joslinmeister
@Joslinmeister 7 жыл бұрын
Ben defends again with a Morphy lecture and GM Friedel is no longer rooming with him - we'll be back next week with the Real House-GMs of St. Louis.
@aminamaher4321
@aminamaher4321 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much Mr Finegold. I have watched all of Finegold's lectures which are available on KZfaq. I look forward to see more and more. I have learnt a lot from him. I think most of the GM agree with him that Morphy's games are important to study and if he was a live today his rate was around 2700.
@ministerofleisure
@ministerofleisure 7 жыл бұрын
to say "morphy would be a 2100 player today" is about as phenomenally stupid as saying "ty cobb would be a double-A player today."
@turkiyett0928
@turkiyett0928 4 жыл бұрын
2100 level advanced level chess but morphy rating is so high 2700 edo
@BigChunk4530
@BigChunk4530 3 жыл бұрын
Morphy gave up as he already had beaten the best their was....he was limitied by the knowledge available of his time...had he continued or even really decided to pour himself into the chess as say fischer or many others have, we would have seen a monster. Just consider the thought
@ministerofleisure
@ministerofleisure 3 жыл бұрын
@@BigChunk4530 i think the point is that we *did* see a monster. a GOAT can only be measured against contemporaneous competition. with the possible and very brief exception of fischer, nobody dominated his peers the way morphy did.
@T1memaster
@T1memaster 3 жыл бұрын
Fischer knew how good Morphy was and I trust Fischers opinion over any idiots today. Also didn't Morphy have a near photgenic memory? I suspect hed be one of the best at remembering computer lines in todays age as well
@grongrod
@grongrod 7 жыл бұрын
Ben rules, more lectures please!
@sergi23
@sergi23 7 жыл бұрын
Best Finegold's video ever.
@Littellittel1
@Littellittel1 7 жыл бұрын
not even 30 minutes, very risky
@hardimawan8643
@hardimawan8643 7 жыл бұрын
and suspicious
@efe282
@efe282 7 жыл бұрын
hardi mawan terrible !!!
@pierreeuhx
@pierreeuhx 6 жыл бұрын
Urgh!
@benjaminkoob9505
@benjaminkoob9505 7 жыл бұрын
There should be a video with just a compilation of the cuts.
@cr0mag732
@cr0mag732 4 жыл бұрын
This is Ben's best video
@dannygjk
@dannygjk 7 жыл бұрын
Damn straight GM Finegold. Morphy would destroy any master in a match. I laugh when people say, "Morphy would have trouble beating a master these days because today the masters know a lot of opening theory." My reply, "The problem with that logic is that not knowing theory would benefit Morphy because he would quickly take the modern master out of his book. Morphy's excellent chess talent plus his ability to coordinate his pieces and see tactics would soon dismantle a modern master. The superior player will win a match against any booked up player because the booked up player soon runs out of book moves and will play like a patzer compared to a player like Morphy."
@TheNidokingFTW
@TheNidokingFTW 5 жыл бұрын
Pun Master Finegold ! Loved the star wars one, also great lesson !
@casuallybad
@casuallybad Жыл бұрын
Ben is the most entertaining chess teacher on the internet. Truth hurts!
@ralphm786
@ralphm786 7 жыл бұрын
So glad Ben is back. The (chess) world is a very cold place without him.
@archsys307
@archsys307 4 ай бұрын
blud thinks hes travis scott on till further notice
@mattj1333
@mattj1333 7 жыл бұрын
Don't worry about comments bro I find your chess lessons helpful keep it up Ben Finegold
@TwelfthRoot2
@TwelfthRoot2 7 жыл бұрын
Ben, your sarcasm is top-notch
@mikaelkarppinen5470
@mikaelkarppinen5470 7 жыл бұрын
Grandmaster Ben Finegold - thank you for your shows. I feel that you are my mentor, as when I study Chess with interests for Friendship.
@ekaterinamacleod8178
@ekaterinamacleod8178 5 жыл бұрын
Don't stop 🛑 your videos are always great 👍
@liam314
@liam314 7 жыл бұрын
No Trump jokes?! Very suspicious! ;)
@STLChessClub
@STLChessClub 7 жыл бұрын
We're very proud of Ben for remaining so politically neutral. Thanks for watching.
@liam314
@liam314 7 жыл бұрын
;)
@damianlanigan
@damianlanigan 7 жыл бұрын
Chess Club and Scholastic Center of Saint Louis Pathetic: actually *censoring* your only talented lecturer? Grow up
@mikhailchigorin4214
@mikhailchigorin4214 7 жыл бұрын
yeh. CCSCSL grow up. I want Ben videos without this nonsense 1000 cuts.
@MrShirazA
@MrShirazA 7 жыл бұрын
I don't see any problem in Ben being non-neutral. Also, his neutrality is nothing to be proud of even if that was the case! You could easily write a disclaimer under the video if that was really important to you. Your club is not bigger or more popular than Cavs and LeBron, right? Look what he did today.
@bobmarley2819
@bobmarley2819 7 жыл бұрын
ty ben finegold i love you.
@kensanity178
@kensanity178 2 жыл бұрын
The Wright brothers weren't very good airplane builders or the best pilots, either. But at the time they were simply the best.
@kevinbyrne4538
@kevinbyrne4538 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting and instructive games by Morphy. He was the 19th century's version of Alekhine or Kasparov -- innovative and relentless. It would have been interesting to learn how a chess engine rated Morphy's moves and what alternatives it offered.
@raheemghalib3870
@raheemghalib3870 7 жыл бұрын
I love your videos Maan!!!
@RobedaScacchistiTrash
@RobedaScacchistiTrash 7 жыл бұрын
You censored the best entertainer you have. Shame on you, Saint Louis.
@robinetphil
@robinetphil 3 жыл бұрын
Do you remember crossing the border into Canada, with your father and brother, in the late 70s or early 80's? You played in weekend tournaments, at the downtown YMCA? We met at one of those tournaments.
@chrisatkeson4638
@chrisatkeson4638 7 жыл бұрын
He's Back!!!!!!!!!
@thetriumphofthethrill2457
@thetriumphofthethrill2457 7 жыл бұрын
Show 'em Ben! Put those contrarians in their place! Nobody questions the great Morphy, nobody! Aside from the humor, this is one of the finest videos of the game in the 'net. Finegold is an engaging teacher and lecturer. The second game in particular is awe-inspiring and highlights Morphy's genius.
@ElijahLogozar
@ElijahLogozar 2 ай бұрын
i enjoyed this video as a teen. e6! in the blindfold game, for outpost knight
@betuscb5707
@betuscb5707 7 жыл бұрын
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