A plywood square that's accurate, cheap and easy to make. [video 415]

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4 жыл бұрын

Hi there! In this video I make a simple, #accurate and #cheap plywood reference square with nothing but a #tracksaw and some geometry. And yes, let's get the "That's not a square, it's a triangle..." jokes out of the way now... 😂 Enjoy!
FYI this video is aimed at new tracksaw users looking to practice their skills in marking precisely and working accurately, whilst also making a useful workshop accessory. Yes, it probably is cheaper just to buy one - that's not the point of the video.
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@Viken43 3 жыл бұрын

Man with thousands of pounds worth of tools and a cnc, makes perfect square using only nails, paper and MDF scrap... Well done Mr M.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to get back to basics sometimes! 👍

@Viken43 3 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard exactly, looking forward to purchasing a ten minute workshop square in the near future 😀

@marcos.675 3 жыл бұрын

And it works perfectly! I finally have a large square that is accurate!

@thehobbyguy 3 жыл бұрын

He does these videos for our benefit

@VaQm11 2 жыл бұрын

That... and a 700 euro tracksaw. 😏

@JohnWilson-de6fd 4 жыл бұрын

If you named the Millard version of the Parf system the Milf system you might get a lot more views :o)

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 I tell you John, my click-bait title zen is way off base right now! 😂😂👍👍

@theduftmeister 4 жыл бұрын

Amazing. John Wilson wins the internet today. 😂😂😂

@JeffBarkema 3 жыл бұрын

John I was thinking the same thing - a lower investment Parf guide solution. Good wrap up at the end Peter making the distinction about accuracy vs time.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Jeff Barkema Thanks Jeff! 👍👍

@fisherfilmworks 3 жыл бұрын

I googled “milf guide” and the results were interesting.

@hossenfeffer8383 7 ай бұрын

Peter, as a newbie and a seeker, a video like this, with knowledge imparted the way a master would teach his apprentices, is a gift beyond value. Instruction like this is likely how Gothic cathedrals could be built with a work force unschooled in mathematics, but able to absorb first principles of geometry Thank you 🇨🇦

@10MinuteWorkshop 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Appreciate you taking the time to comment. 👍

@nevadacool 8 ай бұрын

Really appreciate your wit, and cheeky candor, especially, when vast experience cradles your words.

@steven_vogt 2 ай бұрын

I know this is an old video but it's never too late to say "Thank you!" And also "wow! it really works" :) Not that I never doubted you nor Pythagoras for a moment - just myself. I was driving myself insane trying to calibrate a bunch of T-squares and track squares without a reliable reference when I remembered seeing this video on your channel. I thought I would run a test of the concept using some of the flakiest crappy paper for protecting floors you have ever seen, some rusty pin nails I found in the bottom of my tool box and random scraps of ply as spacers Blow me over with a feather if the result wasn't a perfect, 65cm long, 90 degree reference square as promised :) I checked for square using the "flip over" method and it was truly bang on! I'm going to bloody frame it and hang my "milf square" on the wall, I think LOL You saved my bacon and sanity with this one - cheers!

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 ай бұрын

Ha! That’s great hear, thank you! 🙌👍👍

@akbychoice 3 жыл бұрын

Love the simplicity of this. Used the 3-4-5 or variation of it over the last 40 years but never thought of making the square. Well done.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

@pinkplonker8776 2 жыл бұрын

I have made a couple of these squares. I used plasterboard jointing tape. It is good and thick and has a folding mark in the centre to help with aligning the nails. Also, the free paper tape measures that hang in a well known Swedish furniture retailer are useful.

@ezza88ster Жыл бұрын

Like the way you think man? 👍

@craiglindberg3727 2 жыл бұрын

Superior execution and a fine idea to allow me to try something without buying the parf guide. Thank you.

@GPOP-BOB Жыл бұрын

I've watched many of your videos Peter and have learned something I had'n't already known. Excellent work Mr Millard!

@andymarriott8150 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Peter. Something so simple and as you said so versatile in the sizes you can make and adaptations you can add to make it task specific

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andy! 👍👍

@gavjav1 3 жыл бұрын

Im often blown away with your little tricks and ideas Peter, Thanks for sharing.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gavin! 👍👍

@whitedoggarage 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video as always, I so love your style Peter. Starting with simple geometry principles, there are so many take aways with what you have done there, well done.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob! Are you up early, or me late, btw??🤷‍♂️👍

@whitedoggarage 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Peter it is coming up to 8 am here, so not that early for me, maybe for some others 😃

@xdebroux8909 4 жыл бұрын

The inexpensive yet very efficient Parf guide system! Well done and thanks for sharing!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

@thedieiscast9729 Жыл бұрын

Pythagoras ( is this the correct spelling) 3 4 5 the most useful thing I was taught at school. I have been using this formula for over 60 years on carpentry and building projects. Thanks for your video Peter.

@davidsneddon2242 3 жыл бұрын

Just what I have been looking for Peter, thank you so much.

@nicolassimard5847 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely fantastic. Considering I have a Parf Guide system at home. I now know how I will create my next perfectly square triangle ! Thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@CP-du3ci 4 жыл бұрын

The old craftsmen always managed without the fancy expensive jigs. This method is just one simple method, quick and easy to do anywhere in just a short timescale and without anything other than a hammer and a saw. Peter Parfaits kit is a more sophisticated tool but no less valid for these days when fancy gizmo's fill the dreams of every DIYer. Nice one Peter.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

@jakesale6087 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed how you seriously simplified the whole thing.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@thereallysmallworkshop2771 4 жыл бұрын

Very clever idea Peter thanks for sharing - another great video.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@frankslittleworkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Nicely done Peter 😁. Fun with triangles and tearout with bleeps, how could it possibly get better 😂🤣. Love this idea, may give it a go just for the hell of it. Thanks for the video 😁👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Frank! 👍

@ianblack1033 3 жыл бұрын

Peter, another great and informative video. Thanks!

@paulmaryon9088 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant I use the 3,4,5 thingy often, I put cut outs in my 'squares' to take a clamp, usefull when putting drawers,cupboards etc together, great vid thanks Peter,

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Paul! 👍👍

@stevewalker7822 3 жыл бұрын

Simple and accurate is fantastic. Thanks Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Steve! 👍👍

@jorgeconcheyro 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brilliant!! It took me like 10 seconds to understand that moving the line would be the same, but it is fantastic (even though I also know the Parf system). Cheers from Buenos Aires ;)

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! All best from London!

@darodes 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Just brilliant. I’m only 30 and just recently came into the DIY and woodworking world as a new homeowner a few years ago. My highschool didn’t offer shop class and I was never good with tools…. I remember my classmates would say things like “we will never use this in the real world”…. I can’t say that I never said that myself….. and here I am kicking myself for not paying more attention in school 😅

@christianjanes 3 жыл бұрын

Yet another great resource. Thanks. Congrats on 70K!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And thanks! 😆👍👍

@deanowright359 2 ай бұрын

WATCHED THIS VIDEO AGAIN LIKE 4 TIMES AND LEARNED MORE OF WHAT I MISSED IN THE FIRST VIDEO . 3,4,5 TRIANGLE . MOVE OUT TO 4 ,45 TO GET 90 DEGREES WHICH IS WHAT WE USE . PERFECT !

@FritsvanDoorn 3 жыл бұрын

You are one smart bas... eh, guy. I know the 3,4,5 trick but the way you do it is just marvelous. Thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Frits!👍

@adrianaosirish6065 3 жыл бұрын

Your a bit of a professor of the small workshop Peter .....always look forward to your videos....great !!!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Adrian! 👍

@grumpywiseguy5992 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video!! I use a table drilled with the UKJ guide system and bench dogs to get the 90 degree angle precisely. I have built several squaring guides for glue-ups out of 3/4in MDF that have worked great using my table and my Makita Track Saw. I depend on this system for exactly 90 degree crosscuts on any material that I can fit on the table.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

@heriothandyman3148 4 жыл бұрын

If ALDI made UJK Parf guide kits! 😂 top work as always Peter. 👏

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂 Peter’s Pythagorean Guide System! 😆

@normanbott 4 жыл бұрын

Peter's Paper Parf system : I like it ! I've used 3-4-5 triangles outdoors for any large garden project that needs to be square.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks! Yes, me too! 👍👍

@louiesworkshop2023 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Pete, I have been reading a thousand reviews on the best most accurate try squares etc from Woodpecker and many other companies with price tags I would pay but would feel very uncomfortable doing so, your video is simply excellent and will prove helpful, cheers Pete, Louie from Ulster.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

I know, right - a square so expensive it needs its own wooden case! 😱 I’d be scared to,use it! 😂😂 And thanks! 🙌👍

@ronboe6325 3 жыл бұрын

Using dividers (or compass) to walk off the divisions would work also - may even be more accurate.

@tomruth9487 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing and might try a combination of dividers and nails. Great video btw, thanks much.

@warrensmith2902 3 жыл бұрын

Loved it. Old school rules! BTW here in the states, many of the big box stores sell 3/4" - 24" x 24" MDF hobby boards. I've found that these are exceptionally accurate. Usually with a quick clean up of the factory edge, you get a perfect square. One that you can use to square up your MFT, or crosscut sleds with. I don't have a feeler gauge, but I use a sales receipt which is made of very thin paper as my check for final alignment accuracy.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, as I say in the description, it’s probably way cheaper just to buy something- but this is a project for new tracksaw users to practice their precise marking, and accurate cutting, and end up with something genuinely useful. 👍👍

@SirShoX0r 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy this sort of approach to problems - subscribed!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and welcome! 👍

@frankherring6253 Жыл бұрын

Now go on the other side of your pins and cut the middle out of it and have a smaller square to go with it. Thanks for the great video!

@agent_1502 3 жыл бұрын

After that video you Sir have yourself a new subscriber, very informative and fantastic. Great job. 👏

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks , and welcome! 👍👍

@donnastein4946 2 жыл бұрын

Mate, absolute genius! Thanks for sharing

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@carllamb6711 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter Hope your well mate, yes I'm still catching up on your older stuff it like watching a boxset lol great video too 👍👍👍👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

You get an extra prize for perseverance Carl! 🙌 Thanks! 👍👍

@PaulWoodJatobaFilms 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter! A simple idea translated into practice!

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Pail! 👍

@70newlife 3 жыл бұрын

Big thanks Peter. Considering that youtube is on the world wide web it's surprising how few of the woodworking channels think buying $200 accessories for one part of the job is valuable for all their viewers to save time. There are forums with thousands of hobby woodworkers in India whose yearly salary is less than the cost of 20 such cheap products like the parf guide or the rail square. Who really is going to be on a workbench building spree? Or the $150 square. Aluminum costs $5-7 a kilo here. Metal mill shops, Cncs etc charge less than $5 per sft for cutting 10 mm thick Aluminium. I like your channel . For god's sake if a wood worker can't build a square cheap and fast he shouldn't be in wood working. I have seen carpenters build accurate squares out of 1/4" ply and some scraps of wood in less than 15 minutes with only 4 hand tools Keep up your good work you won yourself another subscriber.

@kevinohara8671 3 жыл бұрын

That's excellent Peter I shall use that a lot in fact I'm halfway through a pyramid at the moment only a small project lol

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Lol! A pyramid! The Egyptians took a few years over theirs! 😂👍

@marcos.675 3 жыл бұрын

That was exactly what I needed!!!!! Thank you for that!!!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@maxwang2537 2 жыл бұрын

Thumbs up absolutely. Thanks, Peter.

@deanowright359 3 ай бұрын

I remember learning this theory back in high school jamaica and asked myself “ why do i need to know this ? This one theory is not taught enough in schools ! Great explanation ! Now if my math teacher taught us tgis way we all would have gotten 100

@steenfraosterbro3268 4 жыл бұрын

A paper Parf guide. Good thinking Peter (both of you)

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks! 👍👍

@jetblackstar 3 жыл бұрын

Huh I was thinking exactly that. Just got my parf guide mkii and now feeling a bit overdressed lol

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

@@jetblackstar Pretty sure the Part Guide will last a bit longer than the paper version! 😂👍

@jetblackstar 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, true. But think of all the thick paper I could have bought 😆😋 (I'd probably have to use a forstner bit made of cardboard to match the aesthetic)

@andrewbieger5004 3 жыл бұрын

A paper Parf guide for mere pennies. Gotta love it.

@marklondon9004 Жыл бұрын

This feels like a perfect explanation of the old maxim 'a bad craftsman blames his tools'

@jemo_hack 4 жыл бұрын

Nice Peter, taking this one and adding it to the arsenal. BTW, I use the 3 squares option. I cut three square... Label A,B,C place them side by side A-B, then attach the third square on C on top of B. Camp and cut the side of AB, you can remove the blocks then build out the A-B C on top, and there is a 45* angle on the outer edge of the square... if that all makes any sense.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jose! Yes, perfect sense, thanks! 👍

@hansdegroot8549 3 жыл бұрын

Last winter I made some simple 90 degree corner clamp brackets (I have to clamp them with F clamps to the panels) out of old kitchen cabinet doors. These are square. 4 brackets out of one cabinet door. So I (can) use them as a template for making 90 degrees angles as well.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@lennytheleopard 4 жыл бұрын

Always like your videos Peter

@eduardom800 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice! Thanks Mr. MIllard.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

@axtimhause5797 3 жыл бұрын

A very simple and accurate solution. I‘ll try it, when the temperature in my unheated workshop becomes bearable again.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍

@lasos84 3 жыл бұрын

Would be great if you made a tutorial with this technique on how to set up a Parfitt system on the cheap!

@Bill.L.Carroll 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome, handy one to remember. 👌🏾 Cheers mate. 👍🏾 Damn tear out... beeeep! 😏😆

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Cheers Bill! Ha! Should have done a scoring cut! 🤷‍♂️😂👍

@Bill.L.Carroll 4 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Shoulda, coulda, woulda, but didntna... 🤣 Would have helped, that was some munga tear out, though! 😳 Pretty sure I actually heard you through the beep. 🤭

@alexjames1146 3 жыл бұрын

I use geometry to check for square in framing and assembly all the time. My go to is the 1:1:√2. 1:1.414. Very useful when 3:4:5 is to bug or to small. I love my school teachers for all the useful information they gave us.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@zorglublegerc 3 жыл бұрын

345 can be any "unit". So you can use half a centimeter as your unit or you can use 3cm as a unit. As Paul used 11cm as a unit. You then just need to multiply all three or just count them on your tape measure. I do that all the time when 30 40 50 just won't fit. 15 20 25, same difference. Of course 1,4142 works as well but I find it a little less convenient to actually use

@Olm9 10 ай бұрын

That's funny.. I figured a few years ago, that it would be handy to be able to use 2 spirit levels or folding rulers at 2 meters each to check an right angle. And calculated that the x in 2:2:x is 2,828 - which turns out to be double your 1,414 (√2) and also √8. Can't figure out why. But there you have it. I use the 2:2:2,828 a lot!!!

@ericdillenberger7873 3 жыл бұрын

Peter, Absolutely love your system, especially for economy and for making templates and casework assembly jigs. Your pin registration system to eliminate vertical drift is nice. In fairness to others remarks about the Parff guide system, its primary purpose was not to make square corners per se, but to DRILL square and precisely spaced 96mm vertically plumb grids to allow accurate reproduction of an MFT (or custom) style table. The measurement portion of using an lr32 system was eliminated and hence a source of potential human and cumulative error. Also, the holes are about as perfectly vertically plumb as can be done without a drill press or plunge router. It is a thoughtful and carefully designed system. Just used it to make a 4x8 Ron Paulk/MFT hybrid using a nasty old piece of 3/4" cdx I had stored outside. Astonishingly accurate results considering. Something like maximum deviation of .007" over 3'. I will try again on new flat MDF of multiply birch and expect better.

@robertpearce802 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with your remark about Parf guide system. In no way can making a plywood square compare with the Parf guide. Ron Paulk has just made another video using the Parf guide (again), this time making a router table extension for his work bench. Also, Dave Stanton demonstrated using it to make a Kreg K5 mount. Once it is used to make an MFT then there are myriad of other things that can be done, to extent the functionality of the MFT. Of course, the Parf guide system could also be used to make plywood squares but not the other way round. Also, why is no one using the 20, 21, 29 Pythagorean triple.

@abcaabca6364 2 жыл бұрын

@@robertpearce802 One reason would be the accumulated error in counting to 20, 21, or 29 if using a method such as Peter's. 3, 4, and 5 minimized accumulating error, although there is an argument for the greater number averaging (or RSS'ing) the error to a lower net amount. Personally, I would hate doing the additional counting since I have a heavy bias toward screwing it up ;>)

@robertpearce802 2 жыл бұрын

@@abcaabca6364 My original suggestion of a 20, 21, 29 Pythagorean Triple was just a theoretical idea. I was looking for a way where the two sides differed by 1 thus making the angles closer to 45 degrees. (Obviously, they could never be 45 degrees as that would no longer be a Pythagorean Triangle). There is an infinite sequence starting (3, 4, 5), (20, 21, 29), (119, 120, 169), (696, 697, 985), ... At the time, it was just a theoretical idea but I have since realised that 20, 21, 29 is possible with the Parf Sticks utilising the 32mm holes, this becomes a 640mm, 672mm, 928mm triangle. However, I have not yet tried it.

@matthewwysocki5019 7 ай бұрын

Simple and done!

@andrewwatkinson1548 3 жыл бұрын

We use these for cutting ply on site but full 4’ x 4’ and nowhere near as precise but good enough for rough joinery. A good tip is to cut out the centre to make it lighter and easier to pick up. Thinking on, someone clever like yourself Peter could maybe come up with useful cut outs instead of just removing the bulk? Be a nice 10 minute update to this great video?

@cliveclapham6451 4 жыл бұрын

Nailed it, with pins. 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

😂👍👍

@awantamta 3 жыл бұрын

Simple and brilliant

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@happydommo 3 жыл бұрын

Another great vid Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dominic! 👍

@stephenjeffreys4219 3 жыл бұрын

Elegant!

@MOREENGINEERING 3 жыл бұрын

Another great Vid. Thankyou Peter. I went to my local supplier yesterday to buy a piece of material to do just that(made a reference square). However, he only wanted to sell me a full sheet! 2.4m X 1.2m or such....nuts!! Another day, a different supplier. Oh the pain(that's what I get for living in the country :-(

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Oh dear! aSometimes they have an offcuts bin that you can rummage through, for smaller pieces?. 🤷‍♂️👍

@MOREENGINEERING 3 жыл бұрын

Ana! They don't cut sheets, it's all or nothing. I was going to make mine on my Axiom CNC 600+ X 1200+. BUT, I'm not sure it's perfect(no proof yet). Maybe I'll find out after making the triangle(generate on VCarve a whole bunch of ways). Love tech, and math. Watched your first CNC vid today. Interesting(in a good way😁). Can't wait to watch the rest. Thanks for the reply, and great videos😀👍🍺

@donlunn792 3 жыл бұрын

Nice one Peter. I am so surprised how inaccurate modern squares are. Unless you are prepared to pay for top line tools. I remember my dad, “many” years ago,purchasing a large framing square to build his Bird aviary.Yes he was a stickler for detail. He showed me how to check it, and it was absolutely spot on. Not Stanley or Record or any other brand name. Just an el cheapo, Framing square, But it was perfect. From a time when quality not quantity mattered. It was stamped made in Britain, So probably a Stanley or Record or even Starrett reject sold under another name,not Chinese in those days.

@NomadMakes 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant vid :D Getting stuff square for some reason seems to be challenging for me...

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Goran!

@t.e.1189 11 ай бұрын

Excellent!

@theduftmeister 4 жыл бұрын

For those of us who can't afford/justify the parf system. Great vid Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Peter’s Pythagorean Guide System! Costs a couple of quid - but only if you use the expensive lining paper! 😂👍

@robotsnthat 3 жыл бұрын

I used the same 3-4-5 system over many years putting up walls that are square, aligning machinery on a production line etc. Just use a chalk line and a tape measure. Use the longest length as the "4" section and then find a common divisor to work out the other lengths. Example, first dimension that you start with ("4" section) is 8m long. Divide by 4 gives you 2000 mm (2m). So for "3" section = 3 x 2000 = 6m and "5" section is 10m. Nail at each end of the "4" section. Tie a chalked line around each nail, then mark each line with a marker pen, one at the 6m length and the other at the 10m length. Stretch each line taught and move the lines so each mark intersects, snap to the floor and there is your square. Simples! Remember to use non-stretching lines though lol!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@HyperactiveNeuron 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic tip!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@terryt2910 4 жыл бұрын

Nicely done. Another option would be to create a perfect square with all four sides equal and both diagonals equal, then cut corner to corner for 45° to make two.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, but this method leads the way nicely into a future video.... 🤫 🤔👍👍

@abcaabca6364 2 жыл бұрын

The issue with the "square and diagonal" approach is how do you achieve the square to start with?

@terryt2910 2 жыл бұрын

@@abcaabca6364 since a perfect square has four 90° corners, four equal sided, and two equal diagonals, the use of careful measurement of any two of the three will get you there with one measurement left for verification. Of course, no matter how you do it, careful measurement is the key.

@samoanSAIYAN 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome. Thanks Pete!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@nteckk 4 ай бұрын

Brilliant with a brilliant accent...

@noskills9577 3 жыл бұрын

Add 2 steel angle brackets to it - makes it very handy for marking 90 degree lines. Got several like this at work.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@LTWCarpentry 4 жыл бұрын

I use this method all the time, especially when work in setting out “buildings” I generally just use a tape measure and work in metres. I.e 3m, 4m, 5m

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, so simple and so accurate. 👍👍

@andrewl9332 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Many years ago I was working for a building firm - well known but since gone bust - I was sent to a site where they were having problems with the setting out and levelling of the buildings. It was back in the days when industrial methods were being tried. The houses were steel framed. Roofs were assembled at ground level and craned into position - things like that. Problem was that the little group of graduate engineers were hot on theory, but not on practice. First, they were having trouble getting the buildings level. My first suggestion was to check the accuracy of the rather antique level they were using. I wont go into the details - it was a mile out and none of them knew how to check it. A modern level, checked for accuracy, cured that problem. Next, they were trying to set out a 10 x 6 (feet) outbuilding, with a theodolite - it took ages. The 3/4/5 triangle took a couple of minutes - they were amazed!

@nutsmcflurry3737 3 жыл бұрын

Was needing to place a head stone in a new section of a cemetery. We needed a 90 degree line from the roadway out across the new grass with no references. The city employ that came out to mark the line for us stood on the edge of the road, spread his arms out wide, tipped his head back, closed his eyes and brought his hands together out in front of himself. Draw a line there boys, that's perfectly 90 degrees.

@stevenperceval5928 2 жыл бұрын

Great 👍

@WobblycogsUk 3 жыл бұрын

The ancient Egyptians would have been proud of you making a right triangle like that.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

No slaves were harmed in the making of this video. 👍👍😆

@riveravon5296 3 жыл бұрын

Inspiring, thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

👍👍

@David.M. 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@gsilcoful 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

👍

@jeffpagnutti 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the video, Peter. 10 minutes watching your channel is never wasted. Curious, what caused the splintering at the very end?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff! Not entirely sure tbh - usually it’s fine, but this time I should have used a scoring cut, I guess! 🤷‍♂️👍

@DuncanRenovates 3 жыл бұрын

Comment for the KZfaq algo. Nice work.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍👍

@schm4704 3 жыл бұрын

A version of this with an additional fence on one side would make a nice speed-square kind of tool for quick crosscuts with a circular saw or even jigsaw.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, good idea! 👍👍

@robertbruun4062 Жыл бұрын

That wad my first thought also 😉

@timselves1 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for a great video. Can't believe I am trusting a KZfaqr

@10MinuteWorkshop 6 ай бұрын

No trust required - try it for yourself. 🤷‍♂️👍

@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 3 жыл бұрын

This is an awesome video. When I looked at the price of the PARF system was dismayed at the huge price. Like your method.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Obviously it will need to be used with some care, as strips of wallpaper probably aren’t as robust as steel rulers (!) but yeah, the principle is the same - just make that spacer 96mm! 😆👍👍

@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop ok .... let me ask this seeing as I can't see the logic. Why 96mm? The 3,4,5 rule works for any multiple?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry. Festool MFT tops work on 96mm hole centres. 👍👍

@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop ah..... good reason as any. lol .... now I know. Thanks

@georgescott6967 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop any idea why 96mm was chosen? I could understand 100mm or even 4". I don't imagine that it was random.

@oneeyedphotographer 2 жыл бұрын

There's a podcast channel, Shirtloads of Science, which has an interesting discussion about right angles and measurements of land by the Babylonians a couple of thousand years before Pythagoras. A problem they had, no fractions.

@BensWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Nice, easy simple. One of the things mass production has done is removed the need to know simple tricks for accurate results.

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Benedict! 👍

@BensWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop it also answers the question "what was the nail thing about".

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

😂👍

@AndyCPugh 3 жыл бұрын

I do like a bit of workshop maths!

@michaelplays2449 3 жыл бұрын

Good video thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

@HepauDK 2 жыл бұрын

I would think it is best to use round nails for this, as you risk butting your track up against the side on one nail and the corner on another. With round nails, you are certain that the cut will be the same distance from the center of the nail.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

They are round nails. 🤷‍♂️

@deanowright359 3 ай бұрын

I video like this is free and we pay so much for a square at big box stores 😅! We had wjat it takes to make our own squares all along 😮🤯

@chm1701 3 жыл бұрын

Fascinating. This is brilliant. Out of curiosity, Peter, may I ask where your supply of birch plywood comes from please? I’m a hobbyist, but I’m after a good supply and I’m really struggling. Many thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris! I buy from a local timber yard, ajferguson.co.uk. Good yard, good people. 👍👍

@das250250 3 жыл бұрын

you could glue up an oversized edging so the square can be butted up against edges and clamped

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, this is just the starting point.

@huskyneusify 3 жыл бұрын

It's hip to be square 👍😉

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Or triangular! 😂👍

@balisticsquirel 3 жыл бұрын

This is great. I would argue that the following is equally great too. : Another triangle that has a 90 dungaree corner is the 1 : 1 : 1.4142 (rounded slightly). And there are two differences between these triangles in terms of wanting to use them to build a reference square. First is the memorability of 3 : 4 : 5. Second is that the tools and materials and time to be able to whip up a 1 : 1 : 1.4142 (which is a 45 dugaree triangle right away - ie without your step of converting from the drawn 3 : 4 : 5) are reduced. So that one could trade memorising a number (or calculating it if you ever forget it) for being able to build the reference square with less processing (faster) and with less waste and fewer tools to hand. To use the ratio 1.4142 you'd do the following. You'd measure on something like the paper strip you used, three points on the same line. One a single unit from the first, and the other 1.4142 units from the first [say 100 mm and 141.42 mm for a sample of eggs.] And put pin holes (or pencil lead diameter holes) at these points. Use this single strip of paper as a compass to scribe an arc of one length from one end of a starter line one unit long, and the other length from the other end of the starter line. The starter line you can draw to length using the paper compass too. The arcs will intersect at a point that's 90 dungarees off of the end point of that first line. No block for spacing out units. No potential error from repeating unit measurements with that block. And less potential error from fewer panel pins driving skew.

@calceos6498 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video Peter...thankyou. Talking of right angles, can you advise or do something on setting the blade of a (/my Screwfix Titan) track saw precisely to 90 degrees with respect to the base. The angle markings/pointer are not accurate enough and exposing the blade, using an engineers square and tightening it all up needs four hands!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ll have to take a closer look at mine when I’m back in the workshop as it’s not something I’ve needed to do, but i know the Festool has setting screws that can be tweaked - it throws off the angle gauge though.

@calceos6498 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop The angle scale on my Titan is from -1 to 48. With the middle of the orange "base pointer" in the middle of the 0 line (i.e. a vertical cut, blade exactly 90 degrees to base) the cuts are 1 to 2 degrees out of vertical. I have to fiddle around with a set square to get the base and blade at 90 degrees to each other...hence the need for a setting technique that does not use the scales!

@MartynBellamyMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Stephen Fry's father (or grandfather) referred to this as the geometry of Peter Goras. Next week, Peter will complete his demonstration of making two workbenches from one. "Letting Rip" may be a good title, Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ll add ‘Letting rip’ to my collection of excellent titles, awaiting use! 😂👍👍

@clumbo1567 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, What kind of plywood do you use? I'm struggling to source decent quality plywood

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

It’s a regular Birch ply from my local timber yard - sorry, I don’t actually know the brand, but it’s a B/BB grade. 👍👍

@georgethomas6541 3 жыл бұрын

Very elegant method Peter. My query- how reproducible do you think it is using the paper strips? Won’t the nail holes in the paper develop some “wriggle room” and allow some drift after first use? Would a more rigid substrate help maintain accuracy?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks George! The paper strips are only intended to be used to make one square; if you wanted to make them out of something stronger/thicker to make them reusable, then you'd probably have to drill the holes, which takes us into another level of complexity altogether! But feel free to give it a try, and le t me know how you get on. 👍

@NicoSmets 4 жыл бұрын

Nice. In a procedure like this I'm always a bit afraid of little errors, especially if they succeed to compound (which they often do). I would have liked seeing you reference it to your MFT. Can you thrust these digital angle gauges? Also, how big would the impact of 0.1° error be on a certain length? Quick calculation: an error of 0.1° causes a deviation of 1mm at a length of 600mm. So that's actually unacceptable. What you need is an angle of 90.00° (0.1mm offset at 600 mm) How practical would you consider the following procedure: - make a triangle where you deliberately make the angle slightly over 90° - Check your square by putting it against a straight edge, draw a line, flip the square over, draw a line (you know the drill) - look at the deviation of the 2 lines at 600mm, divide that by 2, and slice that of your square - creep and repeat - Your final check is also your guarantee that it is square (enough) for a reference length of 600mm I've never done it, but I guess that's how I would do it. Now I thrust my MFT blindly, which is precisely the reason why I bought it. Pre-MFT I have tried using this kind of squares, but they generally drove me crazy. A lack of skill might have been involved too :0)

@10MinuteWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nico! The thumbnail is of the square on the MFT, but I guess I could have made more of it in the video; most people are pretty accepting of these digital angle finders though, and I’ve found the trend one to be spot on. 👍👍

@terryt2910 4 жыл бұрын

I wonder about reliable accuracy with the digit protractor, too, but you can absolutely trust the 3-4-5 math.

@teebonethom 4 жыл бұрын

Never hurts to validate. Guess it would be easy enough to use the square to do a "5 cuts" check on a piece of scrap.