Pilot Sounds Drunk Declaring Emergency | ATC vs Pilots

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Pilot is having problems flying the plane, speaking slowly with slurred speech gives the impression he could be drunk while flying.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:32 - Declaring an Emergency
3:24 - Ypsilanti
5:21 - Everything A-OK
9:44 - Descend FL 260

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@clownhands
@clownhands 2 жыл бұрын
“Other than that, A-OK”. Mad props to this guy’s hypoxic sense of humor.
@0x8badf00d
@0x8badf00d 2 жыл бұрын
Hi
@chaz720
@chaz720 2 жыл бұрын
"What are your hypoxia signs?" "Sarcasm gets really thick."
@nathanjasper512
@nathanjasper512 2 жыл бұрын
@@chaz720 Is that a sign? I think I'm hypoxic right now.
@aardvarksteve1
@aardvarksteve1 2 жыл бұрын
Robert Downey Jr has been cast as the pilot for the movie.
@spvillano
@spvillano 2 жыл бұрын
@@nathanjasper512 heh, if that's a sign of hypoxia, I'm always hypoxic. "Other than about to die, everything's great, how's things for you?" Seriously, saw a breakdown of this one elsewhere, it's an absolute miracle he was even semiconscious when he called in his emergency. Frankly, in ATC's shoes, I'd need to change my pants and underwear. In the pilot's shoes, I'd also need a new seat.
@hadorstapa
@hadorstapa 2 жыл бұрын
So, new piloting task order: 1) Respirate 2) Aviate 3) Navigate 4) Communicate
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
Ya being awake is kind of key part of the entire thing! Haha
@arctain1
@arctain1 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@cstacy
@cstacy 2 жыл бұрын
Otherwise you might aspirate....
@bobbob-sv4mk
@bobbob-sv4mk 2 жыл бұрын
Lol
@dhawthorne1634
@dhawthorne1634 2 жыл бұрын
@@cstacy That is when you breathe a non-gaseous substance into your lungs.
@fruitygranulizer540
@fruitygranulizer540 2 жыл бұрын
for all those who arent pilots there is still somethign to take away from this: notice how despite being passed out for so long, the fo was able to wake up and resume normally functioning. that is because even after you pass out, you'll still be alive for a while and your brain just goes into this limp mode until it gets back oxygen. this is why you ALWAYS ALWAYS help yourself to the air masks before helping your kids out or any loved ones. it is important that you are able to get that one while your brain is still awake. if your loved ones pass out, its totally fine as long as you are awake to put on the mask for them after which they will be able to wake up.
@ED-es2qv
@ED-es2qv Жыл бұрын
But if you pass out, the kid can’t help either one of you. Good point.
@user-zm1ft3ob7t
@user-zm1ft3ob7t Жыл бұрын
The takeaway is don't watch videos by same fake "pilot" who is a disgrace to real professionals.
@fruitygranulizer540
@fruitygranulizer540 Жыл бұрын
@@user-zm1ft3ob7t are u referring to kelsey or the tiktoker
@A6Legit
@A6Legit Жыл бұрын
Limp mode lol
@jguo
@jguo Жыл бұрын
when our brains don't get sufficient oxygen and started to shut down, the primitive spinal centre will pick up the most basic functions such as breathing, but that breathing might be more like gasping.
@Automalice
@Automalice 2 жыл бұрын
Huge respect to that captain for getting the attention of the air traffic controllers despite falling to hypoxia!!! Insane resistance!
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын
Seems like being a chain smoker saved his hide.
@opticalecho119
@opticalecho119 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe this guy held onto consciousness through sheer focus and force of will
@fuzzyfurrymonster
@fuzzyfurrymonster 2 жыл бұрын
you do when you have to. When it's die or try, you try..
@jamesm.2802
@jamesm.2802 2 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing. All he needed was the direction from ATC to descend. Maybe they didn’t handle it perfectly, but they probably saved his life.
@tammyarrowood7745
@tammyarrowood7745 2 жыл бұрын
~~~~>Totally agree. Wow! This pilot, kudos for sure. Hypoxia is very dangerous and scary. As a Nurse for 30 years, I could write a book regarding soooo many crazy and horrible true cases. Ty So much for your channel, Kelsey. SC Nurse🙏❤️
@therealajnelson
@therealajnelson 2 жыл бұрын
Not easy but possible. Hypoxia is a silent killer
@johnnunn8688
@johnnunn8688 Жыл бұрын
It’s a bit like being drunk; you concentrate on getting home to bed and 99% of the time, you do. Same thing.
@DaedalusYoung
@DaedalusYoung 2 жыл бұрын
Some background info I Googled: The incident happened in July 2008. It was a cargo flight, there were no passengers, only the Captain and FO were on board. The FO was unconscious, but his arm was flailing violently, and so he kept switching the autopilot off. This is why the Captain had to keep hand flying the plane, which caused him to concentrate and it's probably why he remained conscious. A second controller was indeed listening in after it became clear there was something going on. She recognised the hypoxia. Both controllers received a safety award (the Archie League Medal of Safety) for the Great Lakes region for their actions in getting this plane to safety. Neither the NTSB nor the FAA have reports on the incident, so the cause is unknown.
@heyyy4783
@heyyy4783 2 жыл бұрын
Low oxygen levels can cause seizures. I suspect that the co-pilot "flailing his arms" was actually a seizure.
@andrewk2996
@andrewk2996 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for looking into that although as they were given awards, seems somewhat contrary to what Kelsey was saying that the controller didn't act quickly enough to get them to a lower altitude
@thurin84
@thurin84 2 жыл бұрын
i dont think the 1st atc deserved any award. he seemed pretty out of it when it came to recognizing the hypoxia.
@akizeta
@akizeta 2 жыл бұрын
@@thurin84 We got it because Kelsey prompted us right at the beginning: what could cause drunk-like symptoms? I guessed hypoxia, but it took me a few seconds and it was presented as a word-puzzle. IRL, you don't get a helpful narrator telling you that something's up right at the moment it starts to become obvious, you get what this guy got, which was some clown keying his mike and interfering with his communications with the other planes in his area of attention. It can take a few seconds to switch things around from routine with a niggle to full-blown emergency, and I don't think we can blame the ATC for only operating at meat-speed and not at Hollywood action-hero speed.
@jmelande4937
@jmelande4937 2 жыл бұрын
@@akizeta Exactly. In my profession (anesthesiology) it's common practice as a hospital department to review every mishap (minor and major-delivering anesthesia is DANGEROUS). We always try to look at every mishap without the benefit of hindsight. We call it "not looking through the retrospectiscope." By the way, back in the 1990's anesthesia got a whole lot safer, and part of the reason was we changed how we practice by modeling our practices after the safety steps that pilots use to make flying safer.
@ericsteinhardt9693
@ericsteinhardt9693 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible how quickly the pilot recovers once he's no longer hypoxic.
@mattschm5486
@mattschm5486 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not like beeing drunk that way. When you are drunk the chemicals in your blood are working on your brain. Hypotoxia is basically over as soon as the oxygen supply is getting back to normal you will mostly recover
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын
@@mattschm5486 Correct, but it's still impressive.
@Tasarran
@Tasarran 11 ай бұрын
Yeah, you can put someone in a side-neck headlock and squeeze on their jugular for about 40 seconds, and they'll go out like a light. Release, and two minutes later, back to normal. Sleeper hold.
@thedevilinthecircuit1414
@thedevilinthecircuit1414 2 жыл бұрын
As an AF flyer, I picked up on the hypoxia clues right away. We were required to attend physiological training (altitude chamber) every 18 months. My early symptoms were always loss of color perception and tunnel vision. We also practiced rapid decompression at 40K ft to train for mask-on and "gang load" the O2 regulator. This training can save your life, Kelsey. Get the training as soon as you can.
Жыл бұрын
Same has me when I start loosing colour perception and get tunnel vision.
@billwalker917
@billwalker917 Жыл бұрын
Why did the controllers not recommend that the pilots put on their oxygen masks before or at the same time as descending them? I was trained to immediately don my oxygen mask before troubleshooting pressurization problems.
@ragheadand420roll
@ragheadand420roll Жыл бұрын
My trip thru the ptu was amazing Its something how fast it comes on and once you know its easier to recognize
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын
@@billwalker917 Because he's not very good, by the signs of it.
@Alcsaar0
@Alcsaar0 Жыл бұрын
As soon as I heard his speech it was obvious to me that he lacked oxygen, and I don't fly planes or work in the medical field or anything. Its just one of those things that I thought was common sense when some one is acting so oddly, especially in a situation involving high altitude exposure.
@thefoolishtrav6713
@thefoolishtrav6713 2 жыл бұрын
The pilot was amazing keeping himself together! You can tell he was running on 100% willpower.
@Shutterbun4
@Shutterbun4 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that he was even able to read back instructions and his call sign are amazing.
@lt1nut
@lt1nut 2 жыл бұрын
Most definitely a "but by/for the grace of God" moment. If it weren't for the audio proof of otherwise I could've easily taken his "everything [else] is A-ok" as sarcasm and would've IF he wasn't driving the plane. (No disrespect meant with "driving".)
@mrmotonut2465
@mrmotonut2465 2 жыл бұрын
@@Shutterbun4 He probably is super experienced and is just doing stuff based on instinct.
@millybrandwood2466
@millybrandwood2466 2 жыл бұрын
It reminds me of my sister when she had to go for surgery she was so focused on a game they gave her the anaesthesia the pure will power to not to sleep, she was up until they took it off her. The way human willpower works is crazy
@jnm2088
@jnm2088 Жыл бұрын
@@millybrandwood2466 Was it just twilight anesthesia because when you’re put fully under, no amount of human power will keep you from waking up unless your anesthesiologist sucks.
@benedikt5974
@benedikt5974 2 жыл бұрын
"everything else is A-OK!" - typical hypoxic euphoria. I once had a hypoxic pilot at a balloon meeting. Everyone (about 20 pilots) told him via radio to use oxygen. He answered everyone how great everything is and that all is good! Then suddenly he did not answer any more. Luckily a few minutes late he was on the radio again with a sober voice: "Thanks to all - I fucked up. I am on oxygen and NOW everything is OK! Thank you for your help!"
@ThatRomyKate
@ThatRomyKate 2 жыл бұрын
I just read the A-OK comment as sarcasm, typical British reaction 😆 but yes, euphoria makes more sense!
@ByzantineDarkwraith
@ByzantineDarkwraith 2 жыл бұрын
@@ThatRomyKate plus euphoria can inspire that kind of sarcastic, jovial remark, and cause him to use the tone he used
@joycepastore3860
@joycepastore3860 2 жыл бұрын
As a flight surgeon in the USAF, I completed altitude chamber training. Upon removing the mask at artificial FL350, I was required to perform small tasks. I multiplied when I was supposed to divide. I couldn't spell. I also started giggling and became giddy. It was interesting to observe fellow docs whose baseline personalities were accentuated. One airman fell asleep, another had no adverse effects, a third became very combative. My one concern about the audio from this clip is the failure of the ATC to direct the pilot to immediately don the oxygen mask.
@mdcoomer67
@mdcoomer67 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I was supposed to add or subtract and did the opposite. I let myself get a bit of tunnel vision, then I got on the mask. Of course we had the one guy who wanted to see how long he could go and nearly failed, because USAF rules are you have to don your mask and set your regulator. He got to the point he barely got it on, and ended up barely getting it done. Explosive decompression was fun too, and had a blast in Colorado Springs.
@sidserv1978
@sidserv1978 2 жыл бұрын
I spent 20 years on the flightline in the Air Force. Around 2007 we had a 15 pilot pass out due to oxygen issues and g's. He passed out and over g'd the jet and actually bent the wings. We put a straight edge on the wings in a section that should have been flat and I could slide both of my hands on top of each other under the straight edge. At the time all of us in the metal shops were irritated since the amount of work we had to do in order to get the plane prepped for a one time to depot. Now that I retired and thinking about it that pilot was lucky to have survived that encounter. I don't remember the amount of altitude that was lost that day but from what I remember is he was below 5k when he pulled up. The wings never did fully line up correctly after that incident. It was a C model single seat.
@jamesoncurry5224
@jamesoncurry5224 2 жыл бұрын
same. former usaf aviator.
@mikemesser4326
@mikemesser4326 2 жыл бұрын
Now you have me curious about how I would fare in hypoxic conditions. I do know how I fare while trying to recover from general anesthesia. I had some "wonderful" friends who decided to pull my chemistry and physics textbooks and quiz me. LOL, I still remember them asking each other if I was right and and deciding "probably" - to which I responded by explaining the math. I believe they had asked me the molecular weight of glucose. I had given the answer to several decimal places. So the question is: how similar is hypoxia to anesthesia?
@myname9337
@myname9337 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesoncurry5224 The Chair Force has aviators? Since when?
@youneke
@youneke 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Kelsey, I don't think you let the viewers know just how incredible this was by the captain. Hypoxia can be and is very deadly for a pilot because you will lose consciousness and sometimes not even know what's going on because of the euphoric side effect. This pilot stayed focus from FL320! All the way back down to FL110. The first officer was already passed out and his hands were flailing all over and knocking off the auto-pilot, which means if the captain lost consciousness it would be game over for both. No one knows for certain how the captain pulled this off but it is believed him being a long time smoker helped. His lungs were already accustomed to the lack of oxygen from his long time smoking habit so being hypoxic was another day at the office for them, thus keeping him awake.
@LinkinVerbz44
@LinkinVerbz44 2 жыл бұрын
- Surgeon General: Smoking kills. - Kalitta 66: Everything is A-OK!
@RiDankulous
@RiDankulous 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the one button landing feature that Garmin has now for some planes. Its a situation where a 1 button landing would save the day.
@youneke
@youneke 2 жыл бұрын
@@RiDankulous Hey how does it work? Sounds really interesting. I know we have self driving cars but the majority haven't trusted them as yet. Also auto-pilot is really advanced but I think the pilots always do take offs and landings.
@2760ade
@2760ade 2 жыл бұрын
I've smoked two packs a day for years so I guess I would be doing Sudoku puzzles at 35,000 feet in a depressurised plane? That's nice to know😂
@dorothymorton2132
@dorothymorton2132 2 жыл бұрын
@@2760ade I’m
@johngreene0129
@johngreene0129 2 жыл бұрын
I just thought the pilot was being ironic or humorous when he made the A-OK comment. Kind of like, "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"
@sirlancair
@sirlancair Жыл бұрын
I think he was trying to be humorous.....and was hypoxic...not mutually exclusive..good point
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын
​@@sirlancair Pretty much. When you're hypoxic, everything is funny.
@noam9997
@noam9997 Жыл бұрын
You don't joke a minute after you declared an emergency
@damongray8530
@damongray8530 Жыл бұрын
I'm a diver, trained for deep water dives. I've been trained in nitrogen narcosis and hypoxic conditions, because your thinking and timing is impaired, yet your life depends on split second thinking. Everything is slow, and you feel great. Sarcasm is magnified, you know there's a problem, but the adrenaline push is not there. Training for those conditions are rather intense, as you essentially have to practice each time as an emergency, because you can't realize the difference.
@heatherc2203
@heatherc2203 Жыл бұрын
​@@noam9997 Hypoxia = doing abnormal things
@grahamclark4518
@grahamclark4518 2 жыл бұрын
That was horrible. I really felt for them, The captain did amazingly well to hang on
@ScottDLR
@ScottDLR 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he never gave up.
@bdb3350
@bdb3350 2 жыл бұрын
At first I was thinking the pilot was having a diabetic emergency. Hypoxia was second on my list.
@hooviedoovie5220
@hooviedoovie5220 2 жыл бұрын
@@bdb3350 i was thinking a stroke.
@talon_craft4734
@talon_craft4734 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard this recording a few times before. Even though I know the positive outcome, I was almost in tears between his hypoxia and the alarms.
@manusoftar
@manusoftar 2 жыл бұрын
@@bdb3350 hypoxia was the first on my list
@MichaelFury2089
@MichaelFury2089 10 ай бұрын
You know you’ve binge watched too many aviation videos when you detect hypoxia before ATC 😂
@BonitaKayAllen
@BonitaKayAllen 2 жыл бұрын
I studied this case in initial training when I became a flight attendant. What saved this Captain and made it so that he did not pass out like his FO is that he was a chain smoker. His body was used to operating on decreased oxygen. The fact that he was a chain smoker actually saved his life. Because he remained at least semi-conscious enough to continue to function until they were able to get back down to a breathable altitude. When the FO finally came around neither one of them realized that there had been any problem at all. They did not realize what had happened
@TellURide447
@TellURide447 Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah!! One up for the smokers!!
@ChrisW228
@ChrisW228 Жыл бұрын
I was diagnosed with severe asthma as a child. (In the 70s/80s, when people smoked everywhere. That’s important to the story.) My mother felt horrible that she and Dad were chain smokers. She feared she caused the asthma. The pulmonologist explained that their smoking wouldn’t give me this form of asthma, and then went on to tell her that the fact that I grew up with chain smokers might be the only reason I was able to be out in public without incident. My lungs where’s so used to functioning with all the smoke, I could handle it out and about, too.
@user-zm1ft3ob7t
@user-zm1ft3ob7t Жыл бұрын
I seriously doubt his reduced lung capacity as a smoker saved him.
@ChrisW228
@ChrisW228 Жыл бұрын
@@user-zm1ft3ob7t You’d be surprised. I had serious asthma as a teen. My pulmonologist said that the only reason I could be in smoky places (everywhere at the time) was because I grew up in a house with three chain smokers. It’s a tolerance of sorts.
@DeirdreMcNamara
@DeirdreMcNamara Жыл бұрын
Could also mean he had stupendous lungs!!!
@dlvox5222
@dlvox5222 2 жыл бұрын
I went through hypoxia training in the military. In a pressure controlled environment. They simulated taking us up to “30,000 feet” while on O2. Then we removed the masks and were required to perform several tasks. Simple math problems, paddy cake, reading comprehension. It is incredible. You would be amazed to know how quickly the symptoms arise, how you quickly lose situational awareness, etc. Then you don the O2 masks and within literally 1 minute you are like, “what the heck were we just doing”. It feels like right before you go under anesthesia if you’ve ever had surgery. That’s my best description.
@justincase5272
@justincase5272 2 жыл бұрын
Same. A friend of mine lasted 2-1/2 minutes at FL 340 in the chamber. Then again, he was also a competitive swimmer.
@terrydawkins9936
@terrydawkins9936 2 жыл бұрын
Went thru the same training
@polarvortex3294
@polarvortex3294 2 жыл бұрын
According to a friend of mine who had some surgery, he told the anesthesiologist that he would try to use his "super-genius" brain to neutralize the anesthesia and stay awake for longer than usual. Didn't make a difference!
@thedarkdragon1437
@thedarkdragon1437 2 жыл бұрын
quite accurate, but for common person, I believe even better description would be exhausted and drunk
@lukewarmwater6412
@lukewarmwater6412 2 жыл бұрын
I had colon cancer. got down to a red blood cell count of 7.0 .... hypoxia at sea level is not fun! it isnt like you can just put your mask on and get back to normal. this pilot is a rock star!
@Metoobie
@Metoobie 2 жыл бұрын
The second I heard the pilot's voice, my blood pressure shot up lol. Even if he was intoxicated, (and that would be REALLY intoxicated) I would still (if I was ATC) consider that an aircraft in distress. As a medic, I took on a patient one day, that everyone else ignored and even showed disdain to, because they assumed he was drunk; he was in diabetic shock. A red flag is the universe inviting you to investigate further. Yes, you're going to find a hundred drunk people. But the day you save a life, you will never forget. Also, the day that you could have saved a life and you choose to ignore it, I promise- you will never forget. It was really curious that ATC wasn't alarmed at the initial coms!
@MrMiddleWick
@MrMiddleWick 2 жыл бұрын
I mean drunk pilot sounds like an emergency all by itself.
@melanieenmats
@melanieenmats 2 жыл бұрын
That is terrific Metoobie of you to notice that medical crisis. I work as a guardian in a youth institution. Many kids and I often have to decide to call a doctor/ambulance or not. People always kind of laugh at me when a kid comes in with a headache and I immediately try to check for meningitis. I have to make many medical decisions without more than first aid knowledge. So I'm always scared to miss something in error. I hate it when doctors berate me when I called for nothing. The good ones always are respectful. E.g. last year I had a youth with history of myocarditis complaining about pain "in his heart". Your story encourages me to keep paying attention to low percentage possibilities. If any of my friends and family get sick, I hope there are people like you around.
@MarkJoseph81
@MarkJoseph81 2 жыл бұрын
That's good information, I was also thinking maybe he was having a stroke or something.
@sawning3449
@sawning3449 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for mentioning that hypoglycemia can mimic drunkenness. The more people who know, the lower the risk that someone who needs medical treatment will be dumped in the drunk tank.
@carlozippi2569
@carlozippi2569 2 жыл бұрын
Metoobie thank you for bringing awareness that things aren’t always as how they seam after just a few seconds. Medically as well as in life! As a well controlled person with type 1 diabetes I appreciate you!
@kat.nicolette
@kat.nicolette 8 ай бұрын
The alarms and slowed slurred speech all at once were immediate signs to me that he was experiencing hypoxia. I couldn’t believe how well he was communicating and somehow stayed conscious and able to somewhat function.
@bartjohnson8139
@bartjohnson8139 2 жыл бұрын
While in the navy in the very early 70s, I was a parachute rigger. Once I got to my destinations squadron one of the coolest classes I was sent to was Flight physiology. We learned about disorientation and incorrect perception of what we were actually seeing when flying at night, and hypoxia. It was a lot of fun in that pressure chamber. 10 guys and an instructor Playing patty cake, trying to recite the alphabet, and a really tough one, counting.
@redmond38
@redmond38 2 жыл бұрын
I heard a similar clip out of Australia before where the controller said loudly and clearly: "Aircraft Callsign, OXYGEN OXYGEN OXYGEN" Seems like a good way to get the message across to a pilot with very limited mental capacity
@anna_in_aotearoa3166
@anna_in_aotearoa3166 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, if we're thinking of the same vid, the Aussie ATC was waaay quicker on the uptake and did a great job both getting the pilot down to a safer altitude, and even tasking a nearby Flying Doc plane to shadow them until they got safely near the airport.
@zidoocfi
@zidoocfi 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking as a controller who develops training for my fellow controllers about emergencies, in the last five years we now teach controllers dealing with suspected hypoxia events, we should firmly tell a pilot to "put your oxygen mask on" in addition to clearing the airplane to an altitude of roughly 10,000 feet. Before that, controllers were only taught to clear airplanes for a descent.
@dillcifer
@dillcifer 2 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. When atsap started, so many older controllers were in shock that a get-out-off-jail-free card could be pulled to essentially stop being written up for deals. (For the pilots: atsap is basically the equivalent of mailing in a NASA form) But honestly, I think what you’re talking about is some of the long term benefit the FAA hopes to achieve with these programs.
@justincase5272
@justincase5272 2 жыл бұрын
That was my first thought. I know the industry really pushes back against controllers telling pilots how to fly their aircraft, but a call of, "Oxygen -- Put on your oxygen mask" is entirely appropriate.
@PaulStewartAviation
@PaulStewartAviation 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear this is now the policy. Considering that the pilot was able to register and follow commands, he probably would have also followed the command to put ono his oxygen mask. Glad it was a safe outcome for all involved.
@-null-null8857
@-null-null8857 2 жыл бұрын
Is there any steps to recognizing hijacking and coded responses when the pilot can't tell the truth due to the hijacker having a gun/knife, and the like? I know that's probably too much for an unlikely event tho, and highly unlikely. Just curious.
@zidoocfi
@zidoocfi 2 жыл бұрын
@@-null-null8857 While I appreciate the question and am generally happy to discuss "how controllers can best respond to emergencies" on KZfaq, I will politely decline discussing security-related issues about what may or may not be done during a criminal situation with hundreds of lives (if not more) on the line. I trust that you will understand why the distinction.
@alien200049655
@alien200049655 Жыл бұрын
Hypoxia is a hard thing to fight through. This pilot had an Iron will to stay conscious like that.
@lilliegould6236
@lilliegould6236 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as I heard his voice my mind was “hypoxia or stroke”. I was at a gliding comp a couple years ago and two blokes got hypoxia (they didn’t have their oxygen on a high enough setting) both were able to get back and land safely fortunately. At another event a bloke had a stroke while flying, successfully landed but passed out on the role out, he came good as well.
@NewMeNatalie
@NewMeNatalie 2 жыл бұрын
I initially thought he was having a stroke. Scary situation but thankfully the pilot could communicate the issue.
@zottelhuehs6375
@zottelhuehs6375 2 жыл бұрын
That was also my first thought. I've heard of cases of people being pulled over for driving drunk, but it turned out to be a stroke instead.
@guitarcheology
@guitarcheology 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the same thing
@GodmanchesterGoblin
@GodmanchesterGoblin 2 жыл бұрын
I thought maybe a diabetic having a hypo, but either way pretty serious.
@timhandle523
@timhandle523 2 жыл бұрын
My thought as well, especially since the video from a couple years back of the Las Vegas controller that had a stroke while on duty just re-popped up on my feed.
@Crazmuss
@Crazmuss 2 жыл бұрын
Same.
@MargieM10
@MargieM10 2 жыл бұрын
That's terribly scary. Especially that ATC didn't pick up on the first call.
@randyward2766
@randyward2766 2 жыл бұрын
I went through ATC training in the Air Force and I don't remember ever being taught anything about hypoxia or how to identify symptoms more what a safe flight level would be to get them to.
@AutumnFalls89
@AutumnFalls89 2 жыл бұрын
I remember reading on another video about this emergency that the controller couldn't hear the pilot very well.
@ihateusernamesgrrr
@ihateusernamesgrrr 2 жыл бұрын
@@randyward2766 yeh I didn't go through ATC training but I don't think it matters. Right now with today's technology I think it would be fair to assume that hypoxia would be so rare that even if you were trained as ATC for it you wouldn't recognize it unless you're fresh out of training or have some other background knowledge. I recognize hypoxia not because of anything to do with flight but it was something I learned about years ago, can't remember 100%. I think maybe it might have been something to do with inhaling certain gases that also restricts oxygen to the brain or something. I don't know, I'm a dumbarse really that's just loaded with useless information haha
@ihateusernamesgrrr
@ihateusernamesgrrr 2 жыл бұрын
@@randyward2766 I think divers also deal with hypoxia. Like I said useless info lol
@call_me_stan5887
@call_me_stan5887 2 жыл бұрын
I agree - hypoxia is VERY deceptive
@DesiroDriver
@DesiroDriver 2 жыл бұрын
Great video on hypoxia. In my previous career as a 20 year paramedic I saw numerous cases of this in head injury & other medical reasons. It’s definitely weird stuff! Different cause, same outcome. Changing the subject I met a new colleague yesterday, the subject soon turned to aviation. He’s like ‘ I follow this 747 freight guy on KZfaq’ I’m like ‘Kelsey?’ He’s like ‘YES!’ 👍🏻 small world…. 😁
@tonyallenby7508
@tonyallenby7508 Жыл бұрын
The level of professionalism you airline pilots display literally makes my hair stand on end, I commend you all. I work in a similar industry and I strive to be the most professional I can be for my passengers but seriously, your cognitive ability is very impressive. In another life I would have been a pilot but I couldn't get through the class 1, next time maybe. Much respect!
@circleinforthecube5170
@circleinforthecube5170 5 ай бұрын
public transportation is one of the professions that deserve more respect
@Kenword69420
@Kenword69420 5 ай бұрын
It’s never too late to try again. The need for pilots is greater than ever !
@suegardner
@suegardner 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I'm glad you plan to do that course! When the pilot said 'everything is AOK' - that was eerie. There is such a striking difference in the before-and-after voices. Really quite scary.
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
Ya that’s why I wanted to put them close together like that. Glad you liked it
@Bad_Wolf_Media
@Bad_Wolf_Media 2 жыл бұрын
@@74gear I wasn't there or involved, and I'll trust the expert advice, but to me, when he said that, it sounded like he may have been trying to be a bit sarcastic. Maybe not the most professional attitude, but if he's battling the plane and getting frustrated with ATC, anything's possible. On the flip-side of that, if he was cognizant enough to be sarcastic, I'd think he would have declared that he was descending and everyone else could just watch out for him for a few minutes.
@mrbmp09
@mrbmp09 2 жыл бұрын
I thought he was just being sarcastic.
2 жыл бұрын
@@Bad_Wolf_Media it was actually a symptom of hypoxia, he felt optimistic because of the lack of oxygen
@chunkychuck
@chunkychuck 2 жыл бұрын
@ yup, that's what Kelsey meant by euphoric.
@ryanb9873
@ryanb9873 2 жыл бұрын
Actually EXTREMELY impressed with that pilot's recovery. Wow.
@yankeealfa2339
@yankeealfa2339 2 жыл бұрын
I have been through this in Greek airspace inbound Heraklion airport after a loss of cabin pressure and the weirdest thing is that I found it impossible to relay our problem to ATC the way I wanted to. Maybe the language barrier was too big but at that time I experienced a sense of urgency which was not picked up by ATC. At the end of the day all went well but I never felt comfortable about the way things went. After landing and on our way to a hotel we, the flight crew, realised that clear communication about the state we were in, should have made the difference. In this case it did not and therefore I urge all traffic controllers around the globe to be aware of indications of hypoxia and its symptoms.
@Google_Does_Evil_Now
@Google_Does_Evil_Now Жыл бұрын
Commenting to raise this up and hope more ATC and pilots see this.
@DinnerForkTongue
@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын
Signal boosting this!
@alepouna
@alepouna Жыл бұрын
Just swear the mother of the airplane, Greeks will understand shit is going down.
@The_1_Assassin
@The_1_Assassin Жыл бұрын
ATC should be trained in recognising the signs of hypoxia, if it isn't part of their training already. There was a fatal crash a day or two ago probably due to hypoxia, and I can't help but think that someone could have recognised the signs and helped the people out, as they were flying through a busy airspace and would have been in regular contact with ATC.😢
@DataPilot370
@DataPilot370 Жыл бұрын
What an amazing story! Back when I was a low-hour commercial pilot building hours, I flew a lot of cargo in Cessna Centurions. The FBO I worked for had 3 of them, but only one was pressurized. One day I was called in for a last-minute emergency trip across the country in a unpressurized plane. It would be a very long flight, so another pilot and I were to share flying duties. We took advantage of a tailwind by climbing up to 17,500 feet on the outbound flight, where the other pilot was PIC and I was officially off duty. I told the other pilot that I was going to do an experiment, and took off my oxygen mask. (By law, passengers in unpressurized aircraft are supposed to wear oxygen above 15000 feet, but that would have ruined my experiment.) Aside from some minor shortness of breath, I was disappointed that I didn’t notice any effects of the thin air. We flew for quite a while before the flying pilot handed me a paper chart and asked me to point to some of landmarks. I confidently provided my response - at which point he told me to put my oxygen on. Once I was oxygenated, I realized that I’d been using the Seattle sectional. We were nearly to Denver! I had no clue how badly hypoxia was affecting my ability to reason until after I got the mask on.
@kenbording4746
@kenbording4746 2 жыл бұрын
As a former controller and retired military aviator - subject to editing the video it would seem the controller (working higher altitude flight levels) started the incident aircraft down to the bottom of his airspace. You can’t clear somebody into another controllers airspace without prior coordination. He then worked out - coordinated - lower 11,000 ft. When I was a controller I was shocked at how few controllers percentage-wise had actually flying experience. Also the FAA - varied by facility, I’m sure - didn’t have extensive continuing education on flight physiology, etc. When I did a two year tour as a EPDS (Instructor) in the Training Department I attempted to change that against a lot of resistance. I was told “Controllers don’t get hypoxia!”
@mcpr5971
@mcpr5971 2 жыл бұрын
And it might have come across as odd to the pilot to get cleared from FL360 to FL080, so best to get him halfway there on a call he can recognize and then send him lower as needed.
@johnregan3732
@johnregan3732 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with Ken, the controller cleared him to the bottom of his airspace. There could have been traffic below him that had to be cleared first and it can take a minute to coordinate with the airspace below them. That is busy airspace south of Willow Run YIP especially at night.
@TheMattc999
@TheMattc999 2 жыл бұрын
@Ken BORDING them saying "controllers don't get hypoxia" is like telling a med student "you don't need to be able to recognize a gunshot wound, doctors don't get shot"....
@mediamannaman
@mediamannaman 2 жыл бұрын
OK, that makes more sense now. I'm neither a pilot nor a controller, but I know that 10,000 ft is considered the safe altitude when oxygen is a problem, and when the controller first sent him to FL 260 I wondered why.
@johnregan3732
@johnregan3732 2 жыл бұрын
@@mediamannaman the bottom of the high altitude controllers air space is 26,000. Flight level 260. The most expeditious thing he could do was to clear him to that altitude while the supervisor or B side controller coordinates with the sectors below.
@mrbmp09
@mrbmp09 2 жыл бұрын
What most people don't know is you don't feel like you are suffocating. You would think lack of oxygen would make you feel that way but it doesnt. The feeling of suffocation comes from high carbon dioxide levels. So, as long as you have low co2 level you feel fine breathing wise even if there is zero oxygen.
@margotrosendorn6371
@margotrosendorn6371 2 жыл бұрын
This is also why carbon monoxide is so deadly.
@KansaSCaymanS
@KansaSCaymanS 2 жыл бұрын
Also why people who hyperventilate (blow off their CO2) before breath holding under water occasionally drown, because they become hypoxic before they feel the urge to breathe (aka shallow water blackout).
@Cyba_IT
@Cyba_IT 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that was kind of frightening when he said everything was, "A-Ok"
@JustinOhio
@JustinOhio 2 жыл бұрын
I can attest to this being accurate. When you're exercising and out of breath, it's not because you don't have enough oxygen, it's because you're not expelling co2 fast enough. In a low or no oxygen environment, you will NOT feel that suffocation feeling, you'd just pass out before you even knew there was a problem most likely.
@JustinOhio
@JustinOhio 2 жыл бұрын
@@KansaSCaymanS Ahhh, so this is probably why when swimming underwater we are told to slowly exhale as we are "holding our breath"? Makes sense.
@ClickClack_Bam
@ClickClack_Bam 2 жыл бұрын
This is terrifying. I CAN'T believe you wouldn't have to go through this in training to become a pilot.
@rudrickboucher9911
@rudrickboucher9911 2 жыл бұрын
I used to live about 2 miles from Willow Run airport (Ypsilanti). There's a flight school run out of that airport that (at least as of three years ago) still operates 727s for training purposes. Multiple 707s and stripped down 727s (in old FedEx livery) are still parked there for training mechanics. There is also a flightworthy B-17 kept at that airport. Which is a frequent sight because it takes almost daily tourist flights. I saw a 727 pass over my house so low that I swear I could have jumped and touched it. Those LOUD engines and the vintage planes are the best part of that airport. As an aviation geek, if my hypoxic brain had to pick an airport to die at, Ypsilanti wouldn't be a terrible choice.
@JK360noscope
@JK360noscope Жыл бұрын
Yoooooo thanks for the heads up I NEED to go take a ride on the B-17 before they don't run anymore! Ever since I missed the flights when I turned 15 driving illegally to the Concord, NC airport I never did
@cykkm
@cykkm 3 ай бұрын
Ypsilanti is Kalitta's home base. They mainly operate 777F and 747-400 freighters, but also have a fleet of smaller craft, Beech and Learjet, I believe, also in a small freighter configuration. This explains why Ypsilanti.
@ec7568
@ec7568 2 жыл бұрын
Thought it was a stroke at first, till he said he was A-OK. I guess he was so happy that even though his first officer was passed out he didn't realize he needed oxygen? The human brain is really a mystery!
@AriS-gg7gw
@AriS-gg7gw 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that my amateur pilot knowledge is at a level where I figured the pilot was hypoxic. Super dangerous situation and I'm glad they made it. Pilot is a boss!
@keithscott1957
@keithscott1957 2 жыл бұрын
My extensive experience of being around drunks while I was sober made me suspect that the pilot was hypoxic.
@bigticket9302
@bigticket9302 2 жыл бұрын
I worked with a controller who worked at Cleveland Center when this happened. After the situation was investigated and settled, it was determined the probable reason that the pilot in command didn't pass out as the co-pilot had, was because he was a smoker and was accustomed to reduced O2 levels in his lungs. I have no idea if this was the case, but it makes sense.
@eddieromanov
@eddieromanov Жыл бұрын
“5 by 5” is a military thing going back to WW2. After the war, it was adopted formally and informally by various groups who spend a lot of time on the radio. I still learned it when I was in the Army in the mid 90s. It’s also still used by Ham radio operators.
@rockslide4802
@rockslide4802 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you brought this hypoxia incident to light. While you had to to do some editing for brevity, as Daedalus Young states below, it was the second controller and not the first who picked up on the likelihood that the Kalitta captain was hypoxic. Indeed, the first controller was, in my opinion, oblivious to the clues that were being presented to him. It was the second controller who saved the day by alerting the first controller. Also note that the first controller never adjusted the speed in which he spoke, which is something that, in my view, should have been for pilots who are flying in a compromised state. It is my understanding that present day controllers are taught about hypoxia and this incident in particular.
@ninedaysjane2466
@ninedaysjane2466 Жыл бұрын
In your opinion. They received multiple awards and medals for their work. Jerk.
@dennisyoung4631
@dennisyoung4631 Жыл бұрын
True. You want to speak especially clearly, with a slight pause between each word. I was born without a right ear, and am deaf on that side, so this is my “normal”. When I’m tired, I become a *LOT* more disabled - both apparently more “deaf” and more clumsy, as well as a lot of other things.
@nancythomas2712
@nancythomas2712 Жыл бұрын
This is from years ago, before I retired in 2009. This was required train ing for the controllers, to listen to the recording, so that they could hear what a pilot suffering the effects of hypoxia sounds like and what steps to take to save the pilot. It was a great tape and a wonderful 'training aid' then and now.
@tomfisher8201
@tomfisher8201 2 жыл бұрын
The two numbers 5x5 stand for Strength, Readability in that order. So a 3x5 would be strength 3 (out of 5), readability 5 (out of5). A 4x2 would be fairly strong (loud) but quite garbled and not very understandable. My days in the late 60’s in the high Arctic we used HF (high frequency) radios where strength and readability played a very big part in tuning for best communications. Often we had to switch to “Say twice” format where we would repeat every word twice as we talked. Like your channel carry on.
@michaelturocy3319
@michaelturocy3319 2 жыл бұрын
Good explanation, thank you for clarifying that
@samik83
@samik83 2 жыл бұрын
Ham radio operators use the same lingo.
@gryper1690
@gryper1690 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know.
@morbidmanmusic
@morbidmanmusic 2 жыл бұрын
He says hat in the video. Quite clearly
@leegleason
@leegleason 2 жыл бұрын
@@samik83 Not quite the same. Hams use the RST scale. Readability, Signal Strength, and Tone. Tone is only for Morse code and is omitted for voice signal reports. Readability is the first number, and goes from 1 to 5. Signal Strength comes second, and is from 1 to 9. So hams would say 5 by 9 for perfect. 1 by 9 would be completely garbled speech, but a very strong signal. 5 by 1 foukld be perfectly understandable, but a very weak signal. And like that.
@c.1916
@c.1916 2 жыл бұрын
Super interesting. The interactions between controllers and pilots here makes me wonder about people who might switch from one career to another and what sorts of useful info they could bring, like a pilot recognizing trouble because of flight experience and vice versa
@ArcelioSilva
@ArcelioSilva 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that I could tell instantly that he was suffering from hypoxia when I'm not a pilot or anything close to that, tells me I've been watching waaay too many air crash videos 😅 props to that second pilot that figured it out immediately too.
@MaryBethMcCoy
@MaryBethMcCoy 2 жыл бұрын
Me too. I recognized the specific sound of the alarm at the very beginning of the video because I have heard it on an air crash investigation video. That, and the slow speech of the pilot confirmed it for me.
@DeirdreMcNamara
@DeirdreMcNamara Жыл бұрын
"props?" English?
@daic7274
@daic7274 2 жыл бұрын
Very similar to the Australian pilot flying a Cessna 208B on the 2nd July 2020, he was lucky to survive and ATC recognised hypoxia quickly. The plane had autopilot that was engaged and he flew over 40 miles past his destination. He was not responding to radio calls and another aircraft nearby managed to get close enough for visual and relay messages. He landed safely.
@marvinriedel7539
@marvinriedel7539 2 жыл бұрын
When I was Air Force aircrew in the '80s and 90s, we all had to take altitude chamber training. The initial course was 3 days with a 1 day refresher course every 3 years. It was very valuable training as you got to see how you actually reacted to hypoxia and (while they were still doing rapid decompression training) what it looks and feels like during a rapid decompression. One of the amazing things I learned is that you lose color vision when hypoxic. Before putting our oxygen masks back on with pressurized 100% oxygen, they had us look at a color wheel. It was like a black and white picture. As soon as the 100% oxygen flooded our lungs, the colors of the wheel just jumped out. It was incredible.
@chri-k
@chri-k 2 жыл бұрын
I guess that’s because you lose a lot of visual perception capability when hypoxic ( obviously; you lose a lot of every capability ), but 90% of our vision perception capability is just “how very-broadly-blue-ish is this”, with the other part being the color receptors.
@darkpriestmusic288
@darkpriestmusic288 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing he was able to function and fly considering his situation.
@argosy440
@argosy440 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly thought the guy was drunk. We learn new things every day and im glad you always teach us cool stuff
@althalus401
@althalus401 2 жыл бұрын
What I find amazing is that controllers do not appear to receive specific training in recognising hypoxia. I accept, that as a glider pilot who has flown in wave, that I immediately recognise the symptoms, but it is really not that difficult. Such training would be easily achieved in one day and should be compulsory for controllers working Flight levels above FL140. In this instance the most useful thing the controller could have done, before starting the descent, would have been to tell the pilot to put on his oxygen mask. Even if hypoxia was not the problem no harm would have been done apart from the consumption of a few litres of oxygen. Oxygen cylinders are easily refilled, I have done it many times.
@PappaMike-vc1qv
@PappaMike-vc1qv 2 жыл бұрын
I was employed as an ATC at the time of this incident and as I recall this flight departed the airport where I worked and was handed off to Cleveland center although I did not work that day. We later were briefed and listened to the tapes for training. The LR25 was known to have occasional decompression problems from time to time and most of the time the flight crew would declare an emergency or request special handling.and continue low level if possible to the closest airport that serviced their company. However, occasionally decompression or O2 problems occur and the crew does not notice or request an emergency descent because hypoxia can occur subtly. Controllers are trained to recognize and react to emergencies when notified of the problem by the flight crew. That is why the controller did not react as fast as would seem necessary at first. It takes years of experience to recognize a crew in distress simply by intuition. They were given the award because through teamwork two lives were saved. BTW controllers trained in the military often voluntarily go through decompression training.
@mgtowacademy8433
@mgtowacademy8433 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing! On the last part, how does that process work?
@PappaMike-vc1qv
@PappaMike-vc1qv 2 жыл бұрын
@@mgtowacademy8433 I sometimes forget that it has been 40 years since I was in the Air Force, so things may have changed. Nevertheless, the Airforce does the bulk of pilot training for supersonic flight at their training bases. And they also now do all the training for ATC. Back in the day there was a barometric chamber at the training bases and some other bases. Controllers were encouraged to participate in the same training that the student pilots went through. We would go through a decompression in the chamber while playing cards or reading something out loud to experience hypoxia first hand.
@lizard944
@lizard944 2 жыл бұрын
@@PappaMike-vc1qv Wonder if I know you?....lol I was at Brooks School Of Aerospace Medicine exactly 40 years ago training for Aeromedical Services, 902X0C.
@mikoto7693
@mikoto7693 2 жыл бұрын
And this is the point where I realise I can’t be a pilot. The mere idea of having not enough oxygen freaks me out. I couldn’t do it voluntarily.
@lr21643
@lr21643 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikoto7693 Should be no problem if you keep it down to, say, 10,000 feet or less. You could bash out one of the windows and still be fine. Except maybe for your ears. I've been in unpressurized airplanes a few times and I don't think we ever got anywhere near 10,000 feet. Then again, we weren't near any really high mountains.
@matchoo4050
@matchoo4050 Жыл бұрын
"I CAN'T CONTROL MY PLANE!!!!" "BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE'RE GOOD!"
@AaYy0o
@AaYy0o Жыл бұрын
I'm always amazed how hard the brain tries to, and can, go on 'autopilot'. I worked with a nurse a long time ago who was just one of those people who was never late or absent. One morning, she was no call, no show for her shift. Worried, we called her house, and her husband said she had left for work like normal at the normal time. Two or three hours later, she turned up on the unit completely confused and disoriented with no recollection of how she got there. She died 3 months later of a large inoperable brain tumor. There was also the famous case of the guy whose son put an ax through his skull while he slept, but when his morning work alarm went off, blood evidence showed he had gotten up, showered, shaved, packed his lunch and got the paper from outside before finally succumbing to injuries which should not have been compatible with life.
@smokin8194
@smokin8194 2 жыл бұрын
Glad your eye is doing better. Great video as always
@ebplentl
@ebplentl 2 жыл бұрын
I was a controller at Indy Center at the time. This made the rounds to ATC facilities as training on what to look for regarding hypoxia. There was traffic at FL 250 which is why the initial clearance was 260. I don’t believe he ever had to stop his descent and was able to get to thick air. It’s been a long time though. The flight was about 150-200 NM East of KYIP which was his filed destination.
@brostelio
@brostelio 2 жыл бұрын
This was terrifyingly weird. I felt so anxious for the poor pilot. One of my favourite videos to date.
@chrome98
@chrome98 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised you didn't mention the reduction or complete absence of motor skills while hypoxic. This is why he couldn't control the aircraft. But somehow he did find enough motor skills to somehow begin descending. Maybe he even just slumped enough to put pressure on the yoke. As a flight crew member in the USAF I got to experience the "altitude chamber" many times and it was eye opening each time becoming hypoxic and during hypoxia. You discover your own symptoms and reactions.
@DLRPyro1
@DLRPyro1 2 жыл бұрын
I went thru the altitude chamber at Mather AFB when I flew on B-52s in the USAF on the 1980s. It is a real eye opener to experience hypoxia and find out what your unique symptoms are. My main symptoms are tunnel vision and a sense of well being. It's amazing how quickly your vision returns after a few breaths once you go back on O2. I highly recommend any pilot who plans on flying over 10,000 feet take a flight physiology course that includes time in the altitude chamber.
@ZandarKoad
@ZandarKoad 2 жыл бұрын
Do we actually know that individuals have symptoms that are unique to them? Honest question. Have they tested symptoms for the same people multiple times over weeks and months with varying degrees of other possible contributing input factors?
@justincase5272
@justincase5272 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh... You, too, eh? I was stationed at Fairchild.
@DLRPyro1
@DLRPyro1 2 жыл бұрын
@@justincase5272 Castle AFB, G and H model BUFFS
@MatthijsvanDuin
@MatthijsvanDuin 2 жыл бұрын
The two numbers in "five by five" mean different things: the first is signal strength, the second is quality/intelligibility. A weak signal can still be quite intelligible if it's clean, while a strong signal can be unreadable due to distortion or interference. The plain english equivalent of 5x5 would indeed be "loud and clear", where "loud" indicates the signal strength and "clear" the readability. Saying "one by five" means "very weak but clear", i.e. you were still able to understand them perfectly, despite the weak signal.
@sinuslebastian6366
@sinuslebastian6366 2 жыл бұрын
This makes sense! Thanks!
@jaysantos536
@jaysantos536 2 жыл бұрын
5X5 is a "Secret Menu" n In N Out order for a cheeseburger with five patties and five slices of cheese. Costs about $10 and has about 4500 calories.
@VintageTechFan
@VintageTechFan 2 жыл бұрын
Ham radio has the same, only it's 1-5 for signal strength and 1-9 for quality. You always get 59. Even if they had you repeat your callsign 10 times and still got it wrong. People are regulary annoyed if they get something other than 59.
@davidwillmore
@davidwillmore 2 жыл бұрын
@@VintageTechFan yep, amateur radio and the military diverged some time back and we (amateurs) kept the 599 RST system and the military went to a 55 RS system. Looks like all the exmilitary pilots took their system with them to commercial avation. One more difference: in amateur radio when two people TX over each other we call it "doubling", but I understand what Kelsey means when he says "talking over". Been there, done that. ;)
@jmcmurdo
@jmcmurdo 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidwillmore Doubling, stepping on, talking over... All the same thing. 73 de W7JYM :)
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs
@StevenDaugherty-uo5cs 11 ай бұрын
This brings back so many memories. While on flight status in the Air Force I was required to go through altitude chamber training often, you do verbal and motor skills as you become more and more hypoxic to learn to recognize how it affects you. We were also put through rapid decompression, which I can tell you instantly cleats your sinuses. All the air is sucked out of you and the chamber becomes filled with cold fog. When I fly commercially now and they give you the safety briefing about the oxygen masks dropping from the ceiling I laugh to myself because I know what's really going to happen. Kelley if you haven't already done it go get the training.
@williammcdonough6342
@williammcdonough6342 Жыл бұрын
I didn't take his "A-OK" as a sign of euphoria. I took it as exasperated sarcasm. This pilot is juggling and doing somersaults with his hands tied behind his back to save two lives, and the ATC sounds like he's preoccupied with his breakfast bagel flavor selection, and doesn't want to be distracted. So the "A-OK" sounded to me like it might well have been followed up with an "... _Einstein_ !" But clearly the pilot is simply way to professional for that. Even if it was deserved.
@CALVINLNIKONT
@CALVINLNIKONT 2 жыл бұрын
I was an Air Traffic Controller in the military from 1967 to 1973 and I wanted to ride in the back seat of various aircraft but first, I had to get my high altitude card. I was with about 20 guys who got into the high-altitude chamber and took turns taking off our oxygen masks. We were supposed to start writing on a notepad and put back on the oxygen mask when we felt that we were losing control. After a while, I just quit writing. None of us ever put our masks on in time and the other guy had to put our masks back on for us. My last few letters were illegible and I thought I was fine. I was angry that the other guy thought that I needed to put on my mask.
@zg4705
@zg4705 2 жыл бұрын
As a freediver and scuba diver, it was fairly evident from the first call, and it was obvious by the third call that the pilot was in an hypoxic state.
@jrdonn
@jrdonn 9 ай бұрын
I supervised that airspace, and we put the flight on an overhead speaker so that we could all listen to what was happening. A controller realized immediately that it was hypoxia, and we known that we had to get him down asap. It happened in Cleveland Enroute Center, one of the busiest airspaces in the world. We had to start to FL230 because of the many communications with the controller at the lower altitudes. This cannot happen instantly. The controllers did a great job and were awarded certificates for their outstanding service. We had another private jet (Payne Stewart) that flew through our airspace and had a loss of cabin pressure 9apperantly human error), that turned out to be a tragic event. I worked at ZOB (Cleveland Center) for 29 years, at O'Hare for 2 to 3 years, and at the Air Force control tower and approach for 4 years. I witnessed many emergency events, some tragic, and this one still gives me chills.
@tycobb550
@tycobb550 2 жыл бұрын
That cpt was a trooper. Awesome. I just found this channel and love it. Subscribed. I'm a retired blackhawk and huey crew chief and it's amazing how the lingo comes back. Good memories.
@mrskrobs
@mrskrobs 2 жыл бұрын
Hypoxia is so interesting (and scary). My husband had to do the hypoxia training with the Air Force. Definitely record your experience if you do the training!
@74gear
@74gear 2 жыл бұрын
ya I really think that would make a great and funny video
@paulazemeckis7835
@paulazemeckis7835 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kaitlyn for serving and especially becoming a pilot. Us women need more role models like you!🙂
@datacoherence9559
@datacoherence9559 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulazemeckis7835 It was her husband - read the comment again.
@spudgamer6049
@spudgamer6049 2 жыл бұрын
@@74gear when smarter every day went in one of those chambers and recorded it, it was both funny and scary at the same time. Admittedly, he deliberately pushed the limits as much as the safety personal would let him, with their prior knowledge and consent, rather than putting on his mask when the rest of the group was told to. That is probably where the scary part came from. Since you'd be doing actual training, you'd probably not be pushing the limits, so hopefully wouldn't be scary.
@mayneeyuh8713
@mayneeyuh8713 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulazemeckis7835 hi! I agree even though this was a mix up. Check out Vernice Armour! She’s a fighter pilot and a great role model!
@italianskygod111
@italianskygod111 2 жыл бұрын
About 25 years ago, I went to a depressurization chamber at a military base in Toronto (Canada) because 19 of my skydive friends and I wanted to experience the symptoms of hypoxia (in order to recognize them) before doing a skydive formation at 28,000 feet. The test consisted of drawing a circle, a square, a rectangle, a triangle, etc. over and over. After about 50 seconds of lacking oxygen in our masks, our drawings became more and more distorted... with a tunnel vision. I still have that drawing as a souvenir. It was a very nice experience for our safety. Kelsey... you must go to this chamber to experience those symptoms.
@mikoto7693
@mikoto7693 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think I could do that. Not having enough oxygen would freak me out.
@italianskygod111
@italianskygod111 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikoto7693 Every military pilots must go through this test... and we were supervised by a Sergent pilot. We were never in any danger. But it was a fun and necessary experience for us all for our safety before making this skydiving jump in high altitude.
@sirthisisawendys811
@sirthisisawendys811 2 жыл бұрын
@@italianskygod111 I know this is late, but what does it feel like? Is it like having trouble breathing, or do you not really notice it?
@italianskygod111
@italianskygod111 Жыл бұрын
@@sirthisisawendys811 No trouble breathing at all... until it lasts too long and you die. Your vision becomes like in a tunnel (no more side vision), you slur, confused and you feel a bit lost without knowing it. That's why all pilots should go through this chamber to recognize those symptoms before it's too late.
@miriams.4341
@miriams.4341 Жыл бұрын
Medical type person here. My first guess was hypoxia when I heard the pilot speak and the altitude. He did absolutely fantastically, to get that plane down.
@stars5753
@stars5753 2 жыл бұрын
I was greatly impressed with how he kept functioning reasonably well despite being hypoxic.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 жыл бұрын
I recognised the problem from the title! I'm pretty appalled by how slow the controller was in recognising it - you would hope that they would be trained, at least by listening to a few cases, to have a high index of suspicion for hypoxia on any flight above 11 or 12,000ft if the communication sounds intoxicated - but it was OVER THREE MINUTES, at an altitude where the useful time of consciousness is usually measured in seconds, not minutes. Do they EVER get the chance in training to listen to recordings of people going hypoxic? And if not, why not? Helios Flight 522 is a well-documented case from 2005 which killed all 121 on board, and only avoided landing on Athens due to the steward Andreas Prodromou, who held a UK commercial licence, seeing the F-16s sent to intercept and examine the unresponsive flight, then entering the cockpit on portable oxygen and taking partial control of the aircraft, which had been circling the destination Athens VOR once the autopilot had determined they had arrived, then immediately had first the left then not long after, the right engine flame out due to fuel exhaustion, so that he had no chance to attempt a dead-stick in an unfamiliar type far larger than he had ever flown - so he steered it into a mountainside to avoid additional casualties. He tried calling a Mayday, but the radio was still tuned to the departure frequency of Larnaca, where the flight originated. Or, in the US, there is the example of the well-publicised 1999 South Dakota Learjet 35 crash which killed all 6 on board including the well-known PGA golfer Payne Stewart.
@wt_9026
@wt_9026 2 жыл бұрын
when the other pilot jumped in to relay / iterate the emergency status I gasped ... I think that person contributed significantly to this situation not turning tragic.
@phillee2814
@phillee2814 2 жыл бұрын
@@wt_9026 Absolutely - that unknown pilot's contribution should not go unrecognised.
@bobpaulino4714
@bobpaulino4714 2 жыл бұрын
Oxygenate, Aviate, Navigate, and Communicate. I've been in fire, tech rescue, and EMS for most of my adult life. Back in the 80's and even into the 90's it was crazy how most 'problem' individuals with slurred speech were perceived to be drunk. Many times we would have to ask law enforcement to stand down when we knew of diabetic history on these folks. Then, after widespread lawsuits and sensitivity training, these possibilities are recognized earlier during encounters.
@djhaloeight
@djhaloeight 2 жыл бұрын
I immediately thought of the Payne Stewart accident. Tragic.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 2 жыл бұрын
AC controllers and life guards have similar duties - 98% of the time they're controlling what everyone is doing. 2% of the time they are handling an emergency. Kinda hard to switch from one mode to another, even though they should be good at it. But this ATC was awfully slow to make the switch. I was swimming once in a wave pool at a waterpark when dehydration and near-sunstroke hit suddenly - I could barely keep afloat. I was able to reach the ladder at the side. The lifeguard came over and yelled down at me - to not hold onto the ladder, there's a sign. I didn't have the mental energy to tell her she was wrong, but had gathered enough energy to swim a few strokes to where I could stand. The difference is, this girl was a teenager who spent every minute enforcing rules, yelling at kids and teenagers. An ATC should be sharper than her.
@normadesmond9659
@normadesmond9659 2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the saddest decompression crashes I've seen recreated was Helios Airlines Flight 522. The post crash autopsies confirmed all the victims were alive when the airplane crashed but not whether they were conscious or unconscious. Fortunately, like the Payne Stewart crash, no one on the ground perished. This was a great video Kelsey and glad your eye is better!
@streakyanchovy
@streakyanchovy 2 жыл бұрын
From what I know, almost everyone on that plane had been hypoxic for so long, that they were essentially brain-dead and wouldn't wake up even if the plane landed safely. It's utterly horrific, but either way, they'd have few to no survivors. And all because someone forgot to flip a switch before takeoff.
@Basetornado
@Basetornado 2 жыл бұрын
Only two of the flight attendents were still conscious, they tried breaking into the cockpit but couldn't because of the post 9/11 locks. When the plane ran out of fuel, they could finally get in and tried to fly it, but crashed. No one else on board was conscious at the time because the emergency air runs out in only a short amount of time in order for the pilots to descend, but the pilots had no idea, and eventually passed out themselves, because they didn't have masks etc. The flight attendents had a separate source of oxygen so stayed conscious.
@AccidentallyOnPurpose
@AccidentallyOnPurpose 2 жыл бұрын
Fighter pilots were deployed and saw that everyone in the plane was unconscious, except for one person in the flight deck trying to regain control of the plane. A flight attendant that had some piloting experience tried to get to the flight deck with a portable oxygen tank to radio air traffic control and land the plane, but his o2 had run out and he was too late and the plane ran out of fuel. Everyone was probably still alive at the time of impact, but I can assure you that nobody was conscious, except for the flight attendant maybe. It's a shame because it was all caused by human error by the pilots, not any plane failure. What also adds to it is in his last moments he turned off autopilot as the last engine flamed out and banked the plane hard out of its holding pattern and away from civilization, nobody on the ground was killed because of that fact.
@SchruteFarms
@SchruteFarms 2 жыл бұрын
That flight story was one of those that stuck with me when I heard about it. So sad and easily preventable.
@NicolaW72
@NicolaW72 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, indeed.
@edjarrett3164
@edjarrett3164 Жыл бұрын
Kelsey. Great video. 26 yr Af aviator retired, but the hyperbaric training we received was critical. Your comments about cabin altitude were spot on. ATC should have cleared them to 10k immediately. I would rather have an ATC controller command a series of maneuvers and altitudes than hypoxia pilots not make their way in. We’ve lost too many from hypoxia.
@caw7007
@caw7007 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Fabulous team work from first pilot reporting he has control problems to the ATC recognizing hypoxia to the Captain who willed himself to stay flying! Heroes! Paine Stewart’s ghost flight and Helios 522 are the only times I have heard of hypoxia as the cause. It’s a miracle these guys got to land and be “okay”.
@Damien.D
@Damien.D 2 жыл бұрын
Wow that was scary. Don't know why but the background alarm made me think instantly of loss of pressurization. It's sounds pretty good for that... That is also very impressive that this pilot was hand flying the stuff AND somewhat communicating and understanding ATC despite being seriously incapacitated. He's a tough guy!
@peteserrata9867
@peteserrata9867 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsey: I discovered your channel a few weeks ago while I was studying for my ppl written exam. I took the exam this evening and had a number of questions on topics that you discussed in your videos. I passed with a comfortable margin. Thanks for the assist. Look forward to your next videos.
@mangosandpineapples4301
@mangosandpineapples4301 2 жыл бұрын
your voice might be featured on his channel in the near future...who knows.
@derekg5674
@derekg5674 Жыл бұрын
@@mangosandpineapples4301 I mean, hopefully not.
@64RRussell
@64RRussell Жыл бұрын
Congratulations.
@pickavana8056
@pickavana8056 11 ай бұрын
I felt the controller was slow to recognize what was going on and despite being told of the lack of controls still asked for confirmation. It also surprised me that they didnt tell them descend to 12,000 - I thought that was the altitude for O2 but may remember that incorrectly. Hopefully this increased awareness for controllers and pilots of hypoxia and to get down to a breathable altitude asap. Captain did an amazing job.
@carsncabins1349
@carsncabins1349 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kelsey. I really appreciate what you do man.
@The_Capt_Price
@The_Capt_Price 2 жыл бұрын
Always a good idea to include pressurization equipment in instrument scan. Slow decompression is vastly more dangerous than rapid/explosive because you would have no idea what's going on, possibly until it's too late.
@thomashelm6931
@thomashelm6931 2 жыл бұрын
Having experienced hypoxia in the altitude chamber, this was the first thought that entered my mind. Truly the reactions and symptoms vary greatly. Highly recommend experiencing the chamber whenever possible
@dabzprincess92
@dabzprincess92 Жыл бұрын
It's like I say with dispatch and tow truck drivers... Dispatch should have a mandatory year in the truck before being able to get on the other side of the microphone. Same with air traffic controllers they should have to sit in the cockpit for a year first before they can get in the tower and control the traffic. It would solve so many issues it would also key in instinct. I love this channel I also love that you wear your pilots uniform when you talk to us in the comfort of your living room.
@nodescriptionavailable3842
@nodescriptionavailable3842 2 жыл бұрын
Great sense of humor on him, kept it together enough to survive, applause 👏🏻
@alexdasliebe5391
@alexdasliebe5391 2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of some life threatening low sugars I’ve had. There are symptoms I can recognize, behavior is a crap shoot. I feel it depends on what brain parts are working. The sugar shot ( to raise sugar ) is like waking from a dream, you can think better, become more cognizant, and start going from sounding drunk to talking normal. You notice it, too.
@peterjf7723
@peterjf7723 2 жыл бұрын
My first thought was that he was a diabetic with low blood sugar. A friend is seriously diabetic and has had frequent hypo attacks.
@Big_Tex
@Big_Tex 2 жыл бұрын
You should carry around an emergency donut.
@alexglanowski695
@alexglanowski695 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterjf7723 I thought that also, my second thought was a stroke. I can definitely understand why it would've taken ATC that long to figure out what was going on
@hkr667
@hkr667 2 жыл бұрын
@@Big_Tex EVERYBODY should carry around an emergency donut!
@peterjf7723
@peterjf7723 2 жыл бұрын
@@Big_Tex In my friends case we were coming back from a meeting, I was driving, he started to sound confused, next he was slumped unconscious in his seat. I pulled into the next services and called an ambulance. Half an hour and he was fine. He actually had a high sugar drink with him, but had been taking painkillers which prevented him noticing the hypo in time to act.
@NativeTable1016
@NativeTable1016 2 жыл бұрын
I work for Kalitta and only heard this audio from one other video, but I’m happy you did a video on it explaining everything.
@Barzins1
@Barzins1 6 ай бұрын
There are only a couple really informative KZfaq channels about aviation that I’ve found. Yours is one of them and I very much enjoy watching yours. Even though I’m not a pilot, I’ve always liked aviation and wanted to thank you for sharing this content. ❤
@janetkeegan3557
@janetkeegan3557 Жыл бұрын
Hey Kelsey I haven't been able to see you in a while. So glad to catch you today- always enjoy dropping in to listen to your interesting pilot situations, and wishing you well.
@raymondpetrovits2336
@raymondpetrovits2336 2 жыл бұрын
Until you explained the true nature of the pilot’s medical condition, I thought he had a stroke. Similar speech patterns sound almost identical. Great video and fan of the channel
@calburnIII
@calburnIII 2 жыл бұрын
You’ll find the course to be fascinating. I took a similar course courtesy the USAF at Lowry AFB in 1965, before I was a pilot, as part of AFROTC summer camp training. For the previous 4 years, I had been living at 7300’ in Laramie until only a couple weeks earlier, so I thought I could handle high altitudes better than most. At an artificial 26,000’, I learned that I could not. Simple tasks became impossible, and when they tried to put an oxygen mask on me, I became belligerent. It’s been a lot of years, but I remember the experience very vividly. Now I go on oxygen whenever I fly above 10,000’, based on what my pulse-oximeter says my O2% is-and that’s changed as I’ve gotten older, as I used to be able to fly much higher and still maintain a reasonable O2%. Hypoxia is insidious, because the victims are lulled into that sense of euphoria, that all’s well, when it isn’t. Especially a slow loss of oxygen, as opposed to a sudden decompression, is deadly, because it’s not that noticeable. You’ll do your viewers a real service if you can video your experience when you go through the chamber.
@mnpd3
@mnpd3 Жыл бұрын
I was reading an account of three Inca mummies found buried in the Andes at a height of over 22,000 feet. I never could figure how researchers operated at that altitude to find the graves, unless they were on supplemental oxygen. But the Incan priests who did the sacrifices at that altitude certainly didn't have supplemental air, yet they completed their "job" of killing and burying three young people. Crazy!
@bp2352
@bp2352 2 жыл бұрын
That other pilots helping everyone out is are rockstars!!! Situational awareness!
@minikawildflower
@minikawildflower Жыл бұрын
This is fascinating how even while he's euphoric and not thinking clearly, the pilot still automatically follows the controller's instructions. Even without his wits about him, the level of practice and repetition is ingrained enough to help keep him safe.
@hasanimam3102
@hasanimam3102 2 жыл бұрын
This is a really serious incident dude!! Like really!! First officer already passed out, pilot just holding on by sheer focus, this could be the next episode of National Geography's Air Crash Investigation!
@Wild_Bill57
@Wild_Bill57 2 жыл бұрын
Not a pilot, but recognized hypoxia almost immediately, thanks to all the great flying videos that I follow. As an ex-scuba diver not holding your breath, as mentioned in other remarks concerning rapid decompression, is something you learn very early on. Great video, as always!
@joblo4608
@joblo4608 2 жыл бұрын
Current scuba diver (whenever I'm in a place to do it) and there's nothing like hearing things in your training like "your lungs will explode" to make you not hold your breath or race to the surface! Diving gives you a strong respect for the importance of air and I appreciate the extra details I've learned from Kelsey about depressurization on a plane and how the drop-down masks work. I feel like if it ever did happen while I was flying (as a passenger of course) I would be able to react calmly.
@NickDalzell
@NickDalzell 2 жыл бұрын
I recognized the cabin altitude warning alarm immediately. Also another LearJet with pressurization issues. You'd think after the death of Payne Stewart things would have been fixed.
@johnaustin9051
@johnaustin9051 2 жыл бұрын
Always good to see things work out.
@MichaelDouglas-24
@MichaelDouglas-24 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched one of your mean comments videos, and I just wanted to say I know they don't seem to really effect you but I love being able to listen to your videos. I have a long commute to work and so I often listen to one or two on the way. Puts me in a good mood before and after my day!
@pamelaphelan4144
@pamelaphelan4144 2 жыл бұрын
Being a retired F/A, I recognized right away that he wasn’t drunk. Hope you get to go to OKC and experience the “Chamber” very soon! Love your videos. Best wishes from Southern Ca. 👋🏻❤️👍✈️
@jeremyspurlock6636
@jeremyspurlock6636 2 жыл бұрын
I cant imagine how you as a pilot can hear this and not have chills. Just watching the video is intense
@lloydmorrison5979
@lloydmorrison5979 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love your videos! Knowledge can save a life.
@barthennin6088
@barthennin6088 Жыл бұрын
You should do a video documenting or telling us about your hypoxia experience in the simulator when you go.
@thesparkypilot
@thesparkypilot 2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad everyone ended up OK. We just studied about the issues pilots can face during flight in ground school. Great video, I’ll send it to my CFI!!
@dhawthorne1634
@dhawthorne1634 2 жыл бұрын
Better than that. They were *A* -OK.
@dfw_motorrad1329
@dfw_motorrad1329 2 жыл бұрын
@@dhawthorne1634 Dang you beat me to it. Well done.
@garyb8528
@garyb8528 2 жыл бұрын
Kelsey, this was a great learning experience. My first thought was depressurization. But I was confused because of the fact that they hadn’t donned oxygen masks. It could have been a slow depressurization, but wouldn’t there be a warning prior to the critical point where hypoxia took over? This was perfect to make aviators and non aviators clearly see how difficult it can be. The captain did a super job of focusing on aviating, navigating and communicating even with all the difficulties.
@gordonrichardson2972
@gordonrichardson2972 2 жыл бұрын
There should have been a cabin pressure alarm, but they may have missed it. Alternatively their oxygen masks may have malfunctioned.
@paulazemeckis7835
@paulazemeckis7835 2 жыл бұрын
Thats why Kelsey recommended free hypoxia training.
@kg4boj
@kg4boj 2 жыл бұрын
@@gordonrichardson2972 Do you not hear the alarm on the radio going REEEEE REEEE REEEE REEEE?
@DocuzanQuitomos
@DocuzanQuitomos 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, that "horn" or repeated warning in the background is the loss of pressurization alarm (after the loss of Helios flight 522, the alarm was redesigned to be the only one to sound like this); but while it activates to indicate the pilots they should wear their masks, if something happens that prevents them from getting supplementary oxygen in 20 seconds or less, that euphoric feeling can very well make you forget why that funny sound is repeating in the background. Without a report, we can't know if the pilots tried to trouble shoot the alarm to confirm it was a real loss of pressure (something that happened before, in a crash involving golfer Payne Stewart) or the sequence of events just conspired against them to be incapacitated before realizing in what problem they were.
@marytygett4189
@marytygett4189 2 жыл бұрын
I guessed hypoxia right away ! The A/C I received the save award for , the pilot had hypoxia. I had to talk to him like he was a child . He didn’t trust his instruments etc . Bless his heart ! He made it !
@UzziHD
@UzziHD 2 жыл бұрын
This is by far the most informative series on aviation that I have been able to find on KZfaq! I am learning a lot.
@oscar8180
@oscar8180 Жыл бұрын
Look up Mentour Pilot, he has really informative videos also
@UzziHD
@UzziHD Жыл бұрын
@@oscar8180 cool thanks!
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