That actually sounds smart, been debating getting a VPN for lots a reasons

just went ahead and got it, just to support you! Keep up the great vids!!!

@@temoork-0197 very cool 👍. Yes he does a good job. Kinda an ASMR vibe with his accent too

@@Ben-ks5bm don't understand the technology?

@@gordonlawrence1448 you clearly haven't watched lol

I go through that phase every few years myself…

This is my first phase, I'm usually a titanic documentary person lol

@@neomofokeng2755haha same

Lol. Same . Literally 10 years later as well 😂

For me, it's not the macabre that is appealin, but the story-telling, cultural aspects, and intrigue.

This would be a nightmare to be on this plane!

Want a cookie?

Why does tragedy always bring out the trolls? Like the cookie merchant above.

​@@hellogoodbyeforeverIf they scan your brain they will find only 🦧💩

@@Adzmataz Not troll..rather a-hole.

There was a rumour that there was a cargo of fish tanks which were packed with radio active material. Later after the flight went down a pilot went to Mauritius to retrieve a tape (sic) and was killed in Mauritius.

From one cabin crew to another, I understand. My wife works for Malaysia Airways, she lost friends in MH370, which was also carrying Lithium batteries, far more than Europe allows. I knew she wasn't on that flight because I had her roster in my phone but last minute crew changes happen, it was a long wait. A few years later a friend text me and asked if my wife was on the ground, Malaysian had a 777 shot down over Ukraine. I couldn't believe another 777 had been lost but my wife was safe.

@@harveysmith100 MH17 was shot down 4 months after MH370 disappeared... hope you meant months instead of years because it makes your story doubtful. Also, there's a high likelihood that the lithium batteries had nothing to do with MH370 disappearance.

@stephenoreilly6 Me too. A lot of whistle blowers have been coming out of the woodwork over the last three years and mind-blowing information is being revealed world wide . The more revelations of the dirty work behind the scenes the sooner people are going to wake up to what really is going on. 🙏 current authorities will be amenable to a further investigation into this tragedy.

Such a turn on of a concept. These disaster documentaries are great to pass the time. ❤ obviously the traffic is too busy during the day to drive to car crash incidents so that's a night time scanner and patience thing.

Your theory and what you were told is very plausible. It would fit in with the entire temperature situation, too. Imagine how great that fire roaring back to life and the terror of their faces, with the others near the back choking and clawing lower and lower at the backs, then legs of those still alive further forward. Imagine being able to steal the last breath by kiss of the person behind you.

With a lot of data conveniently disappearing, I imagine it would be hard to restart this investigation. Frankly, with how poorly it was publicly managed, it's also possible a confidential agreement was reached between international parties. Even post -apartheid investigations by South Africa should be considered with a heavy grain of salt because of their sensitive geopolitical position. Even if SA was in the wrong, would a young post-apartheid government want this revelation as their opening act? If any similar disasters happens in the modern era, it should hopefully receive more rapid response and scrutiny before essential witnesses and data conveniently disappear. I find it hard to believe this is the first time the embargoed nation (potentially) attempted illegal arms transfer. With how much aviation and military technology has advanced since then, and considering how isolated and resource-poor SA was at the time, it may be that these technological advances are enabling the clandestine transport of illegal munitions that just haven't been spotted. I'm unfamiliar with how manifests are handled in the modern era, but I find it hard to believe this would've garnered an investigation (albeit poorly managed) had it not slipped through "the swiss cheese". Routine flights don't gather the kind of attention this disaster did. Weighing the pros/cons of increasing globalization, which may make such conspiracies more difficult; alongside improved airline safety, increased automation/digitization, and many more civilian flights may very well mean that other countries have learned from this. Namely, this is suspicious because it was sloppy. If you want to bring chemistry into it, older military munitions rely on highly energetic, less selectively reactive, materials; modern munitions are much more highly reinforced and have much broader choices in terms of energy sources and sensitivity to environmental factors. Regardless, even a regular fire supplied with oxygen can burn much hotter than normal. Any number of lies could've led to this disaster, but it's very clear that there's lies involved. Hopefully modern disasters, god forbid they should ever occur, would have the same obvious signs of intervention

Salos made all our fuels. At one point we even started to export oil. Jordan F1 ran on Sasol. For a while I worked with a Duch engineer who came over from NASA.

Atleast it had an operational Airways back then.

as are the current Government here in SA, and many other Governments as we well know over the last 3 years

@@bwarrior6340 And an decent electricity supplier 😂

My family lost a close friend. We were immediately told it was fireworks. I was a teenager and took that as the truth. Propaganda to quickly quell any speculation. Remember how many bombs were going off in Wimpy and at bus stops... So to stop rumours and fear (among us kids) of bombs or terrorists, I guess the fireworks was actually hiding a much bigger truth.

Brett Ansley: Yours is the most affecting of all these stories. What more can one say? For a child to be called out of class and told both parents are gone ....

When a piece is missing, not a space.

One of the best lines ever spoken!

@@crkatz30 The OP has it right. Read it again. But maybe they have fixed it, as their comment has been editted.

She was sure 'Guarding Angels', glad she wasn't on the plane.

How is it 'funny'? Stupid.

This is a great life lesson that if things don't turn out the way they should it's because it's saving your life.

If i knew we were going to die and the people next to me are freaking out id be screaming for them to shut the fuck up

You’d think they would have a crew member standing watch back there after the first fire. It might have saved all hands.

How does a plane not have some sort of suppression system if it is carrying cargo!??

Too much Netflix is bad for mental health..

Wow! Kudos to him!

Definitely very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

May want to make sure your yt username isn't related to your actual name or family's name then lol Friendly looking out. Thanks for the info! It absolutely is MORE likely that they had weapons illegally. Because the whole incident that was recorded seemed like a shit show by the pilots. Like as if they were just going to fly it until it blew up. If I had ocean under me, I'm not a pilot given, And I knew there was an uncontrollable fire, I'd lay it down in the ocean asap as soft as possible. Bad bad bad situation. Maybe putting it down in the ocean is a no no. Idk? Seems like the most likely way for more to have a chance at survival

@@herehere3139 It doesnt make sense to land in the ocean if you can attempt to land at an airport, the pilots surely didnt know there were weapons on board.

He keeps you on the edge your seat

@@JerseyLynne Yup, and he does a good job at doing so.

I agree😰😰

No spoilers in the comments man.

Wat happend with the people

Agree. Busy studying general chemistry and you are right in everything you say.

You are an utterly irrational individual. Regardless of the political class at that time, South African people have always been multicultural, multiracial, and integrated. Based on your reasoning, Nelson Mandela is deserving of the Nobel Peace Prize for his involvement in the commission of violent terrorist acts against civilians. South Africa only made one idiotic choice, which was when the weakened politicians decided to succumb to 'liberal democracy' pressure from its supposed allies, the USA, the UK, and the EU. Left to its own devices, South Africa, an industrial, medical, scientific, and military powerhouse, would have evolved into a shining example of tolerance and harmony for the rest of the world. Now like so many countries that NATO has brought democracy to, South Africa has evolved into a corrupt, third-world, cesspit. What has Western democracy brought to the people of South Africa? Zimbabwe?, Libya?, the Congo?, Chad?, Niger?, the list goes on and on and on..... South Africans love life more than you will ever know, or can ever comprehend. God Bless South Africans!

@@psilocybemusashi right about what? Im genuinely curious on what your take on this authoritarian regime is

@@psilocybemusashi this type of racism is exactly why I left, there's no end to it. The apartheid bubble contained the seeds of its own demise. Yes, live was pretty good for the people inside the bubble. Yes, life outside the bubble for the vast majority of the population was absolutely shit, too. It was never going to work. People need to accept this fact.

@@karmatraining, but there are a thousand different places in South Africa where you could live and not have encounter this type of racism! Sowetho, Umtata, etc. But yet you left and deprived all the poor people of your portion of GDP, tax revenue, and skills transfer. Isn't leaving them to starve quite racist?

We enriched our own uranium and our nukes we all home made. The nukes for the G5 & G6 were also home made.

​​@@andremeyer863what if the onboard fuel was sample from Taiwanese nuke program? They were also an international pariah at the time and were actively developing nuclear weapon after project national glory got abandoned. Perhaps there were South African assistance in Taiwanese nuclear program

That's so horribly sad, but I'm glad your grandfather wasn't killed too. It sounds like at the very least, he got to live a full life. Which is the best possible way to honor those who didn't have the chance to do the same.

I genuinely hope he isn't experiencing survivors guilt.

what's the name of your grandfather?

@@YanDaOne_QC Allen Miller

Oh my gosh. I can’t even pretend to imagine what he must’ve been through. That said, I’m so happy to hear that your grandfather is alive and well today. Blessings to you and yours. ☮️

For me, both are terrifying, I've been on a plane with an engine failure, and that made me think I would be dying soon except it felt like an eternity in limbo waiting for the end that never came, scared me so much I've been apprehensive about flying. Still am.

I mean we have instances of planes lnding with both engines out, like the azore glider

@@titoskeleton9571 Good for you for continuing to fly. I've a phobia derived from an accident, it's not easy to get over. I'm glad yours (and mine, I suppose) had a god outcome.

Totally agree, almost anything would be better than fire. In fact, there was the 747 that lost all four engines after flying through volcanic ash that was able to safely land like a giant glider.

Hmm

Agree…once the flight crew knew something had gone wrong, it was too late.

They could've made an emergency landing, they just wanted to hide their corrupt acts... the other people on board enjoyed apartheid...

Guy Butcher: Such a touching comment .... I regard the tragedy as one of the tragic massacres during the Apartheid Era.

I’m sorry for your loss. Also sorry for this guy, and his channel that is making money off your loss with ad placement in the video. No one should be making money on lost souls.

@@RaidingGoonyup. the sponsors/ad breaks on these videos are incredibly exploitative

​@@dykesmcgee3136except its not exploitative. Mentor pilot, casual criminalist and several others also have ads/sponsors. Some channels have writers and video editors. Those ppl don't work for free nor would I expect them to just cuz its a tragic video. Get off that high horse nd sit down.

my grandma is hanry kissinger

whats makes is terrifying is that a lot of passengers choked to death from the smoke b4 it crashed

Not to mention the smoke and knowing thier plane was on fire

I think that you pretty much summed up everything accurately and succinctly. Thank you for sharing this information.

You were heavily sanctioned because your country was and is corrupt. The pilots knew something illegal was aboard, that's why they didn't make an emergency landing until it was too late... The rest of the passengers enjoyed apartheid...

Gotta be because they don't want it to overwrite information after the plane is already down. If it has its own power supply, itll just keep overwriting important dialogue with silence post-crash

@@atsirdsart7386Trueee

He was only a couple of flights from retirement, at the time of the accident. When he protested the carrying these cargoes, he was threatened with immediate dismissal, loss of his pension and worse. Like almost all SAA pilots, in those days, he was ex air force. So he was steeped in duty and patriotism.

Nickname was Krappies

@@johnkelly3886 Is there any proof of these protestations? Just wondering.

@@jimmycricket5366 The protestations are motioned in Klatzow's book (Steeped in Blood). You can take up thde trail there.

@@johnkelly3886 Thanks

Hi , am no expert and by all means no pilot but enjoy watching these video's, can I say if I was the pilot on this plane would you not just br the aeroplane down over the sea ! I know how riskey and dangerous it mayĵùù is but trying to get your plane to an airport due to the severeairity on bored and weighing out the risks i think it wascĥ7 big lack of dugement from the pilot ! ? My openion i would have landed the plane in the sea soon as the breakers went off, at least there would have been a greater chance of some of the passengers surviving ! What do people think ? Sometimes I think pilots forget how long they have befor there plane gets consumed ! Gret to hear other people opinions

@@billysaul7366 I'm no expert but this is my understanding. The open ocean is full of waves. Ditching on such an asymmetric surface, while traveling at high speeds, is essentially a death sentence. I'm guessing they were hoping to control the plane as well as possible until they could attempt a ditching on land, where they'd have a much better chance of actually surviving. Even if they did manage to bring the plane down in the ocean, and some people actually survived the impact, the majority of the aircraft is going to begin to rapidly sink. You'd be in the middle of the open ocean, with large waves washing over you, 120 miles (in this specific example) away from any land based rescue. Not to all the survivors are almost guaranteed to be injured to some degree. I'm not sure about the exact water temperature where they crashed, but in the open ocean I'd wager it's not much warmer than 5C (low 40's F). People would begin to lose consciousness and drown if the waves didn't get to them already.

One thing I can see against that theory is that weapons usually dont burn but explode, like ammo and bombs, but no explosions were reported in this case and the plane did not blow up midair either like if a bomb or other big explosive charge in the cargo would had gone off. It was just a huge fire. However there can also be other millitary material like gasoline/fuel for vehicles ect or heavy duty batteries for military equipment and such (although indeed as said, the extremley flammable Li ion batteries were not invented yet at the time but high capacity batteries no matter type can still cause electrical fires if shorted) so the theory about war equipment being carried still might hold. I mean that missing tape 100 % indicates they are trying to hide something! We will probably however never ever know what actually happened because of that fact and other things.

@@johnpekkala6941 Incendiary munitions frequently don't explode... Rockets discharge like rockets, which when restrained, act more like a high powered forced-air torch than a bomb... White phosphorous was a popular anti-vegetation and general incendiary grenade type left over from the Korean and Vietnam war days... SO for a country looking for nefarious deals on a budget, such things would've been prime "low hanging fruit" for a black market operation... AND things like that CAN achieve (easily) the temperatures required to melt aluminum of pretty much any grade. They'll turn a "pig-iron and steel" truck into slag in a handful of minutes, so even a fairly large aircraft is going to melt and sizzle away similar to trying to roast a hotdog with blast furnace... What actually started the thing might be relatively inconsequential... The munitions getting involved, in part or completely, would contribute mightily to the escalation... AND even bullets wouldn't necessarily discharge the way you see them "cooking off" in movies. Largely, the brass gets so soft at heat ranges to cook off the propellant (which is no longer traditional gun powder) that they poof and burn more than explode into shrapnel frequently... Some still DO explode... ish... BUT it's more that the CASING is split open and sent outward into the "shrapnel" sense than the "gunshot" typical situation, because the casing is so much lighter than the slug... The bullet sits there and the brass just separates and "pops" off... No barrel and no rifling, pretty much guarantees anything that DOES pop is subsonic, so you may not even hear it past a lightweight door... let alone a bulkhead and air-tight seal like you'd typically find on a plane... I DO find it troublesome that nobody found ANY hints about what "was probably" in that cargo hold??? Forensics might not have been as matured or refined as it is today, BUT... I kind of doubt there'd be "serious cargo" without some indication, structure or ghosts... like those slugs or casing parts... fuselage components to a rocket or RPG... SOMETHING that resembles what you'd expect if an "Armory" on a military base was burned to the ground... Wonder who did this "inspection of the wreckage" and who owned them... ;o)

@@gnarthdarkanen7464 I was about to ask the same thing upon reading your insightful description: who did the report, can they be trusted, how accurate is that report, why has an independent report not been produced, why has there never been a modern report? Because it definitely sounds like they paid off the “investigators” to produce a report the government would approve of.

That´s the question..if only loosing jobs were in stakes. as you heard..whole country can be cut out and many people will suffer. It is not only black and white.

And still the higher ups were doing it without the fear of the country being cut out...

I also think they have done better than all I have read and listened to

The pilots would be killed too if the plane was inspected in Asia.. they feared for their own life too

​@@rongrongmiao3018, killed, not arrested? Killed by whom?

I do the same thing!!! 😮

Thank you, and appreciate the correction!

Did you know Louise O'brien (nee Minaar)? She was a my aunt and a flight attendant on this flight.

@@DuncanAustin yes, I knew her and we flew together on a flight or two, but not very well. Sorry for your loss.

@@DuncanAustinsorry for loss, and also sorry for this channel that makes money off her. Really fucked up they put an ad in this video. Lost were lives, and all they think about is money.

Actually, I appreciate the effort put into bringing this incident to light and letting people know what happened

Yeah, that’s what I was going to say. Also, when the Pilot requested a full emergency declaration with the Mauritius ATC, shouldn’t there have been a time stamp? That’d be an easy indication of when the pilots became aware of the fire…

thats alot of fury/futa analyzing u have done wew

@@MrPaxio …..and that’s lot of grammatical errors you’ve made in one short, garbled sentence too.

@@MrPaxio Forget your meds again bud?

The point of mentioning the meals is of course not the meals themselves but getting the time line of the fire incidences right - and for having evidence that a fire broke out TWO TIMES, not one - and hours apart. If you "play detective" you'll need every shred of evidence to put the jigsaw puzzle together. Also, as a pilot I know that onboard fire is actually about the most critical emergency there is! Much more dangerous than engine failures or many other inflight emergencies. Aircraft are designed fail-safe, so if something fails something else can take over. And an aircraft without engine thrust can still fly! I.e. glide to the next suitable place - even runway - to land, as has done multiple times. But with a fire on board while airborne, time is running out quickly. You will want to land asap, absolutely no questions asked. So that makes the behavior of South African Airlines in this instance even more criminal!

I’m delighted you enjoyed it :) Based on the intensity of the fire, it’s unlikely that the plane could have been saved. Especially if the fire started off the coast of mauritious.

the plane was near Mauritius when it happened@@GreenDotAviation

@@andybaubau5961I’m sure you wouldn’t say that if it were someone you knew, or that you’d want anyone else to say such things about you. OP’s friend died a tragic and unnecessary death, robbing her and her would be husband an entire lifetime together. This is tragic, have some respect

@@andybaubau5961loser of the year award to you. Your mom will be proud

​@@andybaubau5961hope the same happens to you

@@andybaubau5961congrats. you are a terrible person !

@@andybaubau5961 Stupid

Much appreciated 🙏

Some people aren't fascinated by learning how and why other people died. They leave their families to grieve rather than use it for entertainment.

This is my first. If this is their standard, then I respect them already

it's an open secret , everyone knows but we all just act like we don't

Oh i didnt know that

@@materockk1579 Neither did I. This is new to me.

I always wondered why Taiwan didn't just get a nuclear deterrent. Interesting that they were cooperating with South Africa. Did you know that even if FW closed the program in 1990, South Africa retained her nuclear weapons? When Mandela came into office, some white supremacist military officers stole the nukes and went to hide them in barns all over the country. The CIA and South African special forces were then sent into action to capture the nukes that were then sent to the USA for safe-keeping when Mandela declared SA a nuclear free country. The South Africans also had a "space program" that was a cover for ICBM development. The new SA government shut that down too. It was a crazy time we lived in. I was a student in Cape Town when FW left office and I actually met him and shook hands with him in Rosebank. I was also present at the SA parliament in Cape Town when Mandela came there as president for the first time. Fascinating years.

@@amorosogombe9650 good f* grief but you talk a lot of BS , who told you this nonsense

@Drippy Mario what would he gain for making this up

​@@ThePeaches3335 attention?

School on Saturday?

​@@thewhorenextdoor8268the person posting this is seeking attention

​@@thewhorenextdoor8268attention on a youtube comment section? Lol what? Most people dont even check back on youtube comments after you make it, and its not as though you get paid for likes Unless youre suffering from munchausen syndrome (which almost exclusively effects women) there is zero incentive to lie about such shit on youtube where you gain nothing from it. Id you actually think you can get meaningful attention from Yt replies thats on you mate lol

Do you mean after your dad was born? lol

​@@FilmingFish probably meant grandparents from mother's side ig

I B Newton: Can't begin to imagine what it must have been like to be in midair when the disaster had just occurred. Pilots are a close fraternity. My Dad's best friend had served as a pilot in the RAF. His work necessitated frequent travel between Cape Town and Joburg. He would spend the entire flight listening to every single sound on the aircraft.

As far as I know this is the only blight on SAA's record?

@@gailjones2011 The only other accident was to SA228, a Boeing 707-320C which crashed shortly after taekoff at Windhoek on 20 April 1968. Five survived, 123 died.

Not really, only the white South Africans were shaken up about this. The majority blacks and the coloureds and indians didn't give two shits.

What ? Please learn how to spell proper English.

Did he have any suspicions or was this an accident?

@Gillian Louw: What did your father find out?

my grandma was the same

It was played at a meeting of the SAA pilots shortly after the crash. To obviously protect themselves, you can.be sure nobody is going to talk about it. I know of "the tape" and some of what was on it, because i knew someone close to the pilots. Its best to put the whole tragedy to bed.

@@keithm5048 Tell me please ?

I know - it just screams "guilty," somehow even more so than if they handed the tape over.

​@@keithm5048nope

Covering up eveything that happened there ever since Kruger was in power, is the reason why that "country" is doomed to be ninetieth-rate forever, ​@@keithm5048

Kind of you to say :)

Except for the infernal fucking ads

Mentour pilot is also a good recommendation. Needless to say i love this channel too

@@brannontempels9301 @trineroks 74 Gear is also a good one as he also does funny stuff like ATC vs Pilots and not just crashes

Yeah I have to agree

Maar ze hebben niets ondernomen om het vuur te doven

I bet the pilots were in on it

I still think that our Mirages were the most beautiful jets

Roger that!

Murray family: Very sad to read this. Maybe it's consoling to know you facilitated something so special before his life ended.

Rip hajur

i am more interested in what the food choices were and wherger it was fried od baked food

Thats what I was thinking too. Just cause dinner was served doesn't mean they have to eat it right away. The Captain rules the ship, not the flying waitresses.

Maybe they were taking turns to put out the initial fire? thus it was time to eat thereafter.

@@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 you can roasr hot dogs over a flame

@@WALLY.. probably fried like the plane

Remind me to never fly SAA!

​​@@lisatarr3078SAA had a very good safety record, for your info.

​​@@lisatarr3078this was literally almost 40 years ago under a VERY difficult political climate. SAA is not like that now and has an extrenely good safety record. This is about as fucking stupid as refusing to visit Vietnam because there was a war there several decades ago.

Agreed. Same here.

The whole military explosives thing is ludicrous. SA developed nuclear weapons unaided by anybody else. All the light and heavy equipment were produced by SA arms industry. Small arms , artillery, armoured vehicles, helicopter gunships. All local. And exported. Nonsense

@@Wolf-hh4rv this is not true. South Africa developed nuclear weapons only because of Israeli help.

Fernando Fernandez, don't how you know classified weapons development in South Africa however Israel was sympathetic at the time. Btw: SA only country to have Nuclear weapons and to voluntarily dismantle them.1989.

This is done all the time. Just land the plane.

As it happens that bird was written off too. In 2000 the aircraft was converted into a freighter and sold to MK Airlines. On October 14 2004 MK Airlines Flight 1602 was written off in Halifax Canada.

No they did not. They purposefully did not call an emergency after the first fire and not divert to the closest airport. They tried to cover up the weapons in the back

No those greedy individuals care more about their image than actual lives

The narrator keeps saying”flight attendant “. The correct word is either steward or stewardess

@@ronaldmessina4229 Steward/Stewardess, air-hostess, and flight attendant are all terms used to refer to the Members of the cabin crew. Today the term ‘Flight Attendant’ is internationally accepted and most commanly used owing to being gender neutral and more appropriate and more in accordance with their duties as cabin crew. The term steward/stewardess is almost obsolete and for the most part hasn't been used in decades to refer to the cabin crew. Cabin crew members were known as steward/stewardess for several decades since the beginning of the commercial aviation industry due to the role of the cabin crew back then only being limited to serving and ensuring the comfort of the passengers. But calling cabin crew stewards/stewardesses today, generally reduces their role of maintaining safety on board and being trained professionals able to effectively deal with emergencies of any nature, to only being concerned with food/drinks and passenger comfort. As for the air-hostess, it is still regularly used to refer to female cabin crew members, but is far less common than the gender neutral ‘Flight Attendant’ which can be used to refer to any member of the cabin crew, their gender notwithstanding. As for Flight Purser, a Flight Purser or a Chief Flight Attendant is a member of the cabin crew with all the same roles as any other memeber, but an additional managerial role. A purser is generally the head of the cabin crew and ensures everything goes on smoothly in the cabin. Apart from this a purser makes sure safety procedures are performed, handles all the money from in-flight sales, generally makes all the announcements, ensures paperwork is complete, deals with passenger complaints, and generally has serving duties just like the rest of the cabin crew.

The crew is rotting in hell. Bloody f###ks killed everyone onboard.

we will

The deletions and shredding make it not matter what ACTUALLY happened. It was an intentional crime that should have left West Africa forever without an international airport. Sometimes the price of committing a crime is just too high to pay so it's let go.

A terrible incident indeed. What is literally a million times more tragic and agonisingly slow is watching the entire nation of South Africa die by the cancer of an amazingly corrupt and inept government. The countless people dying in South Africa every single day of many preventable crimes such as murders, preventable diseases at homes or in hospitals (with no running water, medicines or electricity), not to mention the plummeting life expectancy ultimately due to massive mismanagement of that entire country. Such a shame, and on open-air display for all to see.

Have you heard of MH370. It's kinda similar in a way. Not 100% but yeah. Check out mh370

Thank you so much for the kind words! We put a lot of work into these videos and we're always trying to improve them, so I'm glad you're enjoying them 😁

Very well said indeed, Matt! Even the unhurried way in which the details are gradually unpacked, the agreeable pitch of the narrator's voice in perfect synchrony with the exquisite graphics, and even the silent pauses and the suspense that he so skilfully injects into the unfolding drama, make these presentations so gripping that one cannot leave his seat till the actual conclusion has been reached ... and even then, as it happened with you, one wants another episode, and then another, and then another! Who needs Netflix!

@@GreenDotAviation A bit of tailored music composition would enhance them enormously. It costs money but your investment would make your story even more compelling. (Library music however would kill it).

i love Netflix documentaries❤

@@gowoke_gobroke No, please no! No ‘music’! What an awful idea!

Yes, branding the South African Government as an "extremist, racist government" is as unbiased as you can get..! (I suppose..!)

@@danielcoetzee5793 Not unbiased at all, as it’s the truth. What possible image do you have in your head that paints the Botha government in a good light?

@@rhettgannon4417 Well, the "Botha govt." spent Billions of S.A. currency (if not Trillions) on uplifting the black populations and lead them to independence. (which is more than what the British Empire did for Lesotho and Swaziland who were given independence by Britain and just dumped and left to their own devices). The first act of the S.A. govt when they gained their own independence from Britain was to SET FREE all the black nations / tribes which were subjugated by the British Empire and forced into a "UNION" against their will and ruled by the British crown for a hundred years . The S.A. govt returned their freedom and their traditional land to them which Britain took away from them, slaughtering and killing them by the thousands. The S.A. govt. did not conquer or subjugate a single tribe in South Africa. The British Empire did all of that. The two Boer Republics and the Dutch colony in the Cape were also subjugated to the British crown through the barrel of the gun and forced into an UNOLY UNION (The "Union of S.A..) with all the Black nations tribes of South Africa (no less than eleven different nations with different languages, customs, beliefs, values and identities). The "Boers" were the "Liberators" of the Black tribes of S.A.. They liberated them from their OPRESSORS, the British Empire. BUT the EMPIRE STRUCK BACK and with clever propaganda painted themselves as the "Liberators" while painting the true Liberators as the "Oppressors". All while smearing the Boers as "racists", "extremists", "evil oppressors" etc. etc. etc. in the international Press and in the United Nations, stirring up opposition, HATRED and further oppression through "SANCTION" and "ISOLATION" and "BOYCOTS"..! YOU, My Friend, is a product of that Propaganda smear and HATE campaign..! You have swallowed their LIES hook line and sinker and turned into a useful "anti-Apartheid" foot soldier idiot. You are still perpetuating this HATE even 30 years after "Black Independence" in S.A. while turning a blind eye and deaf ear to the the real goings on in S.A.. You fight "Apartheid"..? Then come to the EMPIRE OF SOUTH AFRICA...! It is alive and well and flourishing. Or you can fight your own "Apartheid Govt." at home..!

@@rhettgannon4417 It's "all truth", isn't it My BBC listening Friend"..? It is BBC "truth"..! You must be British then, aren't you? Tell me; what does "Apartheid" mean..? Do you even know..? Apartheid was the system of Independence (sovereignty) for SEPARATE nations. Are you a separate, independent, sovereign nation? Do you have your own country (land, territory) SEPARATE from everyone else? Do you have (international) borders? Do you have your own constitution, flag, emblems, laws, military, police, language, history, culture, traditions, values and identity? Do you have your own, separate elections, and your own government..? Are you free as a nation or are you ruled and subjugated to another nation or EMPIRE..? If you answer "YES' to these questions, then you have an APARTHEID government and system and you live under "Apartheid" and enforce your apartheid on others as well. Do you have your own passports, borders, and customs, visas, currency etc.. Do you limit citizenship to any person or persons? Do you restrict entry into your country in anyway or can anyone enter and settle as they like or choose and have ALL the rights and privileges of a citizen of your country...? Do you fight wars to defend your territory and sovereignty?(eg. against HITLER's invasion or in the Falkland Islands etc. etc. ?) Do you fight wars against other countries to enforce your will and values upon them (Iraq, Afghanistan etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.)? Do you (or did you) fight wars of conquest to subdue and subjugate other independent nations and peoples and rule over them steal their land and assets, eg. Boers, Zulus, Arabs, Indians etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.)? Did you commit war crimes and crimes against humanity by operating concentration DEATH CAMPS in occupied territories for women, children and old people.???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If so, then you do not only have an apartheid government, but also an EVIL one..! S.A. "Apartheid" was a system of Separate development"....! But you conveniently leave out the "DEVELOPMENT" part (which development you also left out when you granted Lesotho and Swaziland independence). Here is a NEWS FLASH for the BBC...; The Boers (Afrikaners) did not subjugate a single black tribe in S.A. (Britain did it ALL). They didn't take a single nation's independence away from them EVER..! Instead of taking freedom away they GRANTED FREEDOM and independence. Neither did they oppress any other nation, instead they liberated them the moment they came under their control..! How many nations/ peoples did the British Empire conquer and oppress...? But listen on, you will NEVER hear that from the BBC...!

@@danielcoetzee5793 I don't agree with everything you've said, but yes, the bbc, known for decades (in it's more-respectable days) as "Aunty Beeb" has sadly just become a s__t show of lies, clever deception and gl0balist-fascist-marxist pr0paganda. I used to love listening to it as a younger person.😭 Agreed, not all intentions with the apartheid system were evil, but nobody (at least deliberately or openly) should condone the many backward, racist expressions of the apartheid system (and they were there!) However, as with Zimbabwe the rapid and careless way SA was forced by an almost completely ignorant Western world to hand-over the reigns of the country to a greedy, incompetent marxist-thinking elite of politicos needs absolutely no explanation or convincing, for it is on full open-air display for everybody to see in today's South Africa. Very sad for all.

I thought Seychelles but I am often wrong/

@@derekstocker2071 It could very well have been people in Seychelles. Actually, given the trajectory of the plane, that probably makes more sense.

Would be quite ironic if the ANC terrorists smuggled a bomb on board, alongside the Nat Govt's red mercury stash...

@@boerboel7777Terrorists? You must have loved apartheid S.A.

@@R-STORIES Isn't that what you call those who plant bombs in restaurants and shopping malls? Land mines on civilian farm roads? Mandela was only removed from the US State dept's terrorist watch list in 2008, look it up and educate yourself.

You mean smuggling weapons on civilian aircraft is definitely something THEY DID? Why would we smuggle today when we can just order it from Russia or China.👊

Yeah, the yaapies are very arrogant. Anything is possible

Stop lying about south africa 🇿🇦

@@leratoseretsi5603 our politicians would do anything to make more money. We have loadshedding because of corruption. Our hospitals and schools are underfunded because money keeps going missing. They would and they are ruining the country for their own gain. They would put ~100 people in danger for gain in a second.

​@@davidjma7226 what is a jarpie

What makes you doubt the bodies or them being dead? I think the one thing we actually can be sure of is that people perished in this catastrophe, so the Mauritian coast guard bringing the remains of passengers and crew ashore is not unrealistic, no matter what actually happened.

@Matthias Patzelt . No I didn't doubt. It was very painful, a terrible moment.

Worked for SAA on the ground in Durban at the time ... was absolutely devastating .......we all knew a lot of the crew as the 747" s used to transit DUR in those days to MRU and LHR .......

Do you have his Contact?

Saa pilots back then did not speak about incidents for fear of losing their jobs. More recently they did not criticise the company for fear of being replaced by an under qualified AA pilot & then Dudu Myeni One of Zuma's sidechicks put the airline out of business. Now it's an AA airline which you fly at your peril - I'm waiting for one to fall out of the skies like the one that nearly stalled out of Brussels because the quota pilots did not calculate the freight load correctly.

@@fredperry523 cedric carr 0 seconds ago and imagine this... it's 2023 and we still have a racist regime as in the anc and we have lost our national carrier as in SAA due to this racist regime's corruption over the last 28 years....

@@fredperry523 I am a retired Loadmaster/Dispatcher/Weight&Balance Officer. Pilots are not responsible for that calculation. Ground staff work it out, and input it onto the weight & balance chart/loadsheet. When all calculations are complete it is taken to the flight deck and presented to the skipper. He or the F/O supposedly check the data which is put into the ship's computer. The L/S is signed by the skipper and a copy is retained on board and by law, a copy retained in the load control office. Incidentally, if the loadmaster has made an error that results in death, he/she may be charged with manslaughter!

One day somebody will reveal everything. A manager just has to anger the wrong employee with enough knowledge and a vindictive personality to have it happen.

I don't think the folks who authorised it even have consciences, unfortunately.

@@shaun_rambaran Yes, you're probably right. Imagine what an amazing world we would live in if all the effort we put into fueling wars was channeled into feeding everybody and ridding the world of disease and suffering. Ain't never going to happen, sadly.

@@shaun_rambaran capitalism is quite good at detecting people with consciences and weeding them out

@@thewhitefalcon8539 And it's more effective the closer you get to the top of the heap.

@@kat9556 if you think this is funny think about it some more

The current ANC regime is even worse, they have destroyed a lot more than this tragedy, we were fighting a war back then to try not get to the point south Africa is in now, a Disaster affecting millions. Now people are in poverty, every state owned entity is collapsing, No proper law and order. Full on corruption, and reverse apartheid in the from of BEEEAEE (fuck knows how many more A's and B's and E's will be added as we disintegrate further. all i know is the Apartheid government was correct on the downfall of this country would be. If I knew now I would have never voted yes for change. cause the country is a mess and dirty as shit, except for the last stronghold..... Cape Town.

If only this was the most shocking! Politicians would whore out their mothers, wife(s) and daughters, as long as it would give them 1 gram of power for 1 sec!

Very government does that, it's just how obvious they make it

Yes amazing

I doubt mankind would learn from this. Humans always had harm humans for selfish reasons, from way deep into the past and still now. We had always harmed each other and always will continue to do so. I do hope one day by some miracle that people would stop harming each other but I can never imagine that happening.

Ammonium Perchloride (APC) was apparently the guilty chemical as I read on a blog by a very closely involved engineer. He even told the investigation committee, but they ignored it. APC can be very unstable - read up on the PEPCON disaster😢.

My maiden name is Uys. I was the same month in a Bell Jet Ranger helicopter accident. I live and walk to tell the story. ❤️‍🩹

Agreed. That was the common perception at the time.

@@tebraduplessis420 This must be the most horrific experience imaginable!

That was all ignorant speculation. By the 80' s South Africas uranium enrichment capabilities were already in place at Palindaba(sp?)

To Charne Ueckermann: A Cape Town artist, whose father died in the tragedy, based 2/3 of her exhibitions on the event. It was terrible to see visitors crying at the gallery at the first exhibition. I went every day or two to talk to them. They were so appreciative of someone knowing why they were there. The saddest work was one made up of those old SAA baggage labels, one for each passenger. I bought it but eventually consigned it to auction, just couldn't look at it anymore.

@@vivicohen199 Thank you for sharing. I had no idea, I truly feel like this is something we should at least learn in school in SA. I can imagine it was a grounding experience. Your donation as well. Do you remember the name of the artist? I would love to see some of her work.

Beyond sad😢. It’s so outrageous that the nationalist government were prepared to do this. Still makes me furious.

Speculated? Rumoured? Wow. Well I'm convinced.

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Take a good look into the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie Scotland in 1998, special reference to FBI and CIA connections to victims and investigators both!

@@TheScouseassassin I’ll definitely look into that. Thanks for the suggestion!

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