🤍💙👌🏽 Very well presented and produced! Loved it!👍🏼

Kenya airways flight 431

Did this KZfaq channel copy your flight simulator footage? It looks awfully similar. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rM2Ba5iBnbyVYJs.html

@@cbuchner1 Yes, thank you for letting me know. There have been one or two channels stealing our content, and I'm currently going through the KZfaq process of having the content taken down 👍Appreciate you bringing this to my attention.

@@sailaab Thank you!

Or lion air 😂

Always been Aeroflot for me.

@@CozySophie Aeroflot is very safe nowadays. They have bad reputation because of their history but Aeroflot has one of the youngest fleets in the world and is one of the best companies in Europe.

​@yungsh0ttalex592 well given that the soviet Union never reported plane crashes they where remarkably safe

@@noname-wo9yy is that sarcasm???

As someone who fly simulator a lot. The urge to turn off warning is there. What make it baffles me is that both pilot did not hear the auto pilot turn off sound. That sound is so distinct that no one should ignore.

Apparently, following the accident, the flight recorders were not initially recovered because of a dispute between Adam Air and the Indonesian government over who should pay recovery costs.

@@nakajimakuro As a simmer yea the urge is there, but as a real pilot, you are trianed to deal with the alarm, to identify the issue before turning the alarm off, no real-life pilot in their right mind would dismiss an alamr without assessing the situation first.

@@Incidental104 alamr

Excellent point!

Yes, and they are also why Indonesian airlines are blocked from EU airspace for a whole decade.

I was a licensed inspector and diesel mechanic in my 20s and early 30s, I worked for 2 trucking companies. I inspected trailers mainly, trailers are very dangerous especially if not maintenanced properly, I absolutely would never pass a trailer that I didn't thoroughly inspect cause I knew if I overlooked something or let something slide it could get someone killed or badly injured and there's no way in hell I was going to have that on my conscience and I could be charged criminally and rightfully so. People that would put people's lives in danger by not doing their jobs properly and laziness must not have a conscience or care for others.

This captain was extremely incompetent

@@EJ-74 I do auto collision repair and hold the belief that heavy equipment maintenance is equivocal to the shopping cart theory. I see EBT cards and multiple childrens' carseats in wrecked vehicles with less than a mil of brake pad and bald tires. It takes a psychopath to willfully endanger others but only legit subhumans do that to their own children.

Thanks so much for the kind words ❤️ Agreed, this was criminal all the way up to the top of the airline. Very sad.

Its a weakness of human psychology. When you focus too much on one specific task, you can become almost literally blind to all other concerns, including things that should otherwise be glaringly obvious. This is one of the things CRM training is supposed to overcome. by delegating duties between two pilots, one can focus on a task whilst the other is free to work on the other issues affecting the flight. This isn't the only crash caused by a pilot ignoring an alarm or warning whilst fixated on an unrelated problem, not by a long shot. Eastern Airlines flight 401 and United Airlines flight 173 spring to mind

Absolutely correct 👍

CRM, Task fixation and an "I'm in charge" mentality. Probably the way the airline treated captains/first officer relationships. Logic doesn't enter into an unusual situation that you have not been trained for. Checklists, workload sharing and "flying" the aircraft do. This lack of "flying" and fixating on a task is the cause of many accidents. It's no reflection on logic, it's entirely a reflection on incompetence and lack of thought to CRM. Both of these factors caused by the airline itself and its culture. The pilots were in no way competent to handle that aircraft outside of "normal" flying conditions. Through no lack of their own doing.

@@PassiveSmoking we see the "brain 1 and 2" of Nobel prize Daniel Kahneman at play here indeed. If you get too focused, you don't see other obvious signs in the meantime. It's the classic experiment the Gorilla and the basket ball you can find on youtube. And there is also the opposite at play later : instead of analyzing swiftly but logically once the alarm "overspeed" is on, you just rely on your instinct and in that environment, it 's worse

not only bad training but bad hiring of pilots not fit

It's just part of the flight sim

@@easy_eight2810 yes but it can still feel eerie.

@@easy_eight2810 OP was giving their aesthetic impressions of the video not asking why the seats were empty. Imagine somebody expressing their pleasure at the textures in a painting and someone responds well it's just the way oil paint naturally piles up on itself.

@@deantothlmao 😂

Yes 💔

Then continued to make one mistake after another, after another, after another...

Yeah 😔 same here

It’s called “saving face”. Big problem for men and even bigger for Asian men.

​@@JaidenJimenez86sometimes negligence like this shouldn't be called negligent at all but straight up unintentional murder. They knew what shit they are doing and still do it.

@@JaidenJimenez86reminds me of swiss cheese. They got many layers of it and aligned all the holes with each small issue untill they had one big hole which they flew through and died.

They not only missed this, they missed the opportunity to simply navigate by ground-based beacons, thereby negating the need for IRS. They also missed the opportunity to simply say 'we can't trust this system' and get vectors from ATC instead. They had so many options available but explored none.

Exactly. And also as someone who's never flown a plane but seen enough similar videos to know that a pilot can't always tell when a plane is banking I was astounded that the pilot never looked at his instruments at the first bank angle warning. He could have seen that they were in fact turning long before it became too late and corrected it.

Exactly what I thought that was madness what they did

Dumb and dumber

Yeah I thought that exactly

Another reason for those of us blessed to be born in and to live in the USA to be infinitely thankful for it!

We got unbanned in 2018 if I'm not mistaken. An information you left out.

@@MarkJoseph81 Yes the USA's aviation is excellent! But I see people died more often by guns. Just saying.

@@IMR95 lol , tenang saudaraku.

@IMR I think you're on the wrong thread here. Also, do you know the stats you're even referencing? Don't talk out of your lane unless you really know precisely what you're talking about.

I do as well.

Greendot liking the comment lile they has anything to do with it LOL Give proper credit....

I fly a hang glider and I know this rule. Can't stop shaking my head over this pilot's multiple bad decisions.

I don't consider panic or emotional attitude any sort of mitigating factor in commercial aviation accidents. You're an airline captain, and as such must keep a level head - it's probably the most basic cornerstone of good airmanship. Even if your life is in danger, you need to remain objective and logical, if you can't do that, you have no business being on the flight deck.

@@JaidenJimenez86 Especially when your life is in danger IMO, but also, this crew wasn't the sharpest, and that's what really bit them. By the time any panic set in the best possible outcome was already pretty bad due to many missed cues. They made so little use of resources at their disposal that it's tempting to imagine that had this particular crash not occurred, there would have been a different one or at least some incidental flight with this crew at some later point in time.

They embarked on the voyage of bad decisions even before they were panicked and worn out. Let's call spade a spade! They were plain incompetent and reckless. I can't wrap my head around how the captain managed to snag that many hours with such poor decision making skill and cavalier attitude. I know pilots too perished but I am having hard time sympathizing with them.

Nothing related to the crash but hopefully you did make it through your license !

what my dad liked to say is 'Everyone is trying to kill you'! I've now added, 'so, don't do it to yourself' to complete the thought.

Aviate. Navigate. Communicate.

Share channel name please

@@mrkrabs8112 Distressing content warning kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7h8hb15y5eWl30.html

@@mrkrabs8112 Air Crash Daily Vid: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7h8hb15y5eWl30.html

​@@mrkrabs8112 Air Crash Daily has one. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7h8hb15y5eWl30.html (Turn on subtitles.)

4 replies to this comment yet I only see 1. Idk if the answer is there. Can you share it? (Again?)

With 13 thousand hours in the the air. Really scary

*Were

I got the fear of flying and only by listening to the voice recording had me terrified. Can’t imagine what they all went through.

Yep. No aircraft for me. Between crashing and the TSA, I want nothing to do with flying…

​@@dennisyoung4631 and yet, flying is still millions if times more safe than driving a car...

@@dennisyoung4631 cmon dude be logical..

@@aeromotive2 PTSD isn’t logical, but it must be respected. No airports for me.

100%

Much appreciated! We put a lot of work into these so I'm glad you find them interesting :)

​@@GreenDotAviation I've mentioned y'all elsewhere as a source of good content.👍

Could you recommend some others?

@@peachblossom9179Mentour Pilot is one of the best to watch.

​@@peachblossom9179Mentour Pilot and 74 gear are 2 good ones

Where does it not? The reason so many airlines have better safety standards is only because of laws that both exist and are enforced. It's the governments' jobs to protect us from greedy companies. They are the only people in a position to do so.

Important to note also is that there's a lot of things that don't actually have to work but are focused on in order to keep the flight safe. As many backups as possible to keep flying safe.

tbh, i always hear "Indonesia" in most of accidents

used to take place, the pain of developing countries. However, post-2017 thanks to economic development and regulation, now situation now is way better and safer than before

More than half the world's population is concentrated in SE asia...

Thanks, we're always trying to make each one better than the last

@@GreenDotAviation Technically, that is not consistent quality. But in a good way of course :-D I was pleasantly surprised to see another upload so soon after another. After initially bingeing through all your videos, waiting for the next one has been painful at times ;-)

Lolo mo love

True

Adam Air had a shoddy reputation of grounding pilots for speaking out, so might got smth to do w that

They are used to doing it, it has become second nature.

Isn't that how the world works? If you speak up against your country you are deemed as an anti-national. If you speak out against your own family, you are again looked down upon. Basically you are not allowed to speak bad things about the system that you are a part of. If the pilot had told the ATC, it would have brought bad reputation to Adam Air.

Much appreciated 🙏

Omg, I can't even imagine...

Bank Angle! Bank Angle!

I think rotting away in a nursing home wearing nappies, and dying a long, slow death requiring morphine, medazolam and buscopan is a worse death than dying quickly in a place crash.

Yeah, I thought that was a nice touch as well. I imagine it will help create a connection with the audience.

This is the comment I was looking for

That was a nice surprise for sure!

Great suggestion, thank you!

Much appreciated!

Thank you

It's very safe most of the time! But thanks :)

In Indonesia? Yes, and they are the principal reason why Indonesia is blocked from EU airspace for a whole decade.

What? How? I thought the whole idea was that as soon as the doors open, the slides deploy automatically? Hence, 'doors to auto', 'doors to manual'...?

@@JaidenJimenez86 The doors can be disarmed so ground crews can open them from the outside. Looks like the flight attendants forgot to arm the doors.

Thanks so much, it's a team effort ✈️

Agreed

Much appreciated! 🙏

Why you would want to be there is another question 🙋

Thanks for the nice words ❤️

Thank you! 🙏

Many thanks for the kind words 🙏 I think the big weakness here was in CRM, though it is shocking how poorly the dive was dealt with...

@@GreenDotAviation Are u a pilot?

@@TalaR04 I'm training to be one, yep!

@@GreenDotAviation Agreed. Although, either they couldn't read the QRH, or they had some horrible copy, that mentioned - hold it straight and level! How can the captain say, no don't correct it, as it goes into a steep banking dive. He has a gyro based (non IRS) attitude indicator right next to him, the standby instrument. Just amazing. Good luck on your pilot certificate! What are you flying in?

Thank you kindly, more on the way 😄

@@GreenDotAviation You're welcome! Looking forward to more great videos!!

Despite being the richest, it's still a poor country due to its massive population that keeps rising. Take India for example, rich government but poor people and still technologically regressive.

I've seen some look worse in real life !

Thank you! More videos coming ✈️

Glad you liked it 🙏

Er, wrong one...

Glad you found it interesting, and thanks :)

Glad you like them!

Thanks for waiting 🙏

@@GreenDotAviation 👍

Would be a good additional to the video ay Sloppy to not include it

Glad you like them!

I don't think that's an issue here - reliance on instruments would mean they would be fine with navigating by VOR. The issue seems to be their over-reliance on computer navigation, and lack of task prioritization and CRM.

Glad you liked it!

Thank you so much 😀

Glad you're enjoying them! 🙏

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Glad you enjoyed it!

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Saving face culture - it is a manner of being where any ask for help or admission of mistake is a sign of weakness rather than part of problem solving. Of course the pilots didn't know the risk they were putting themselves in.

@@MrSterorexactly the term I used. Prevalent across the world but particularly in Asian countries

They did exactly that but for some reason ignored the ATC response.

Thanks again!

Thank you! Many more on the way 🚀

Thanks! Will do!

Thanks very much! More videos on the way, we're working on making more frequent uploads over the next few months ✈️

@@GreenDotAviation You're very welcome pal, look forward to the future videos!!