ty for no spooky music this time.

Can you explain (in idiot terms 😂) how at 10:31 when the plane got hit by a headwind it sped up, and then later, when it was hit by a tailwind, it slowed down? I thought headwinds push against the plane in the opposite direction the plane is travelling, and therefore, it slows the plane down? And a tailwind propels the plane forward, and therefore, it speeds up the plane? When is the opposite true? I can’t find anything about headwinds speeding up and tailwinds slowing down. I’m so confused.

@@ditzygypsyHas to do with lift over the wings and your altitude. Yes at high altitude tail wind speeds you up, but at low speed it produces less left which ultimately makes a plane fly. I’m also new to this so take this info with a grain of salt LOL

@@ditzygypsy Yes - the key thing to remember is that a plane only cares about its speed through the air, not its speed over the ground. So, the headwind didn't speed it up over the ground (quite the opposite), but it did speed it up through the air. Let's say a plane is flying at 200 knots, and there is no wind. Its speed through the air will be 200 knots, and its speed over the ground will be 200 knots. Now let's say that the plane hits a headwind of 10 knots. Its airspeed will now be 210 knots. It hasn't gotten faster over the ground, but it is travelling faster through the air, because of the 10 knot headwind being added to its existing airspeed of 200 knots. The reverse is true for tailwinds. The reason that on a flight, a tailwind is a good thing, is that planes tend to fly at a pretty constant airspeed during cruise - let's say 500 knots. A tailwind of 100 knots means that your groundspeed is 600 knots, even though your airspeed is still 500 knots. Hope this helps!

@@GreenDotAviationyo can u do bek air 2100 or the Leicester City helicopter crash in 2018 cuz ive never found a single explanation video on them

God not actually being your copilot

Inch'Allah, yupp that may be true, but the fact that God (or Allah for that mather) will help you does not mean you are dismissed from your responsebilities as a pilot. Lots of good people have perished here.

Everytime a pilot says that they get everyone killed. Its basically sayimg Jesus take the wheel lmao

There is a diffrence between making a sign of a cross before hard duty and beeing like this captain, who basically tought that the God will do the job for them, just because he said so.

Islam killed....again

That aircraft probably would have crashed into the ground ten times, were such a thing possible.

Uncertified plane... Corrupt Aviation Authorities... Incompetent Level of Training... Everything didn't go wrong. Everything (and it's damn cousins) WAS wrong with this flight! ;o)

Real Pakistani shit

Yep. The swiss cheese model strikes again.

Third world things. Never fly to these countries and risk your lives with incompetent baboons

I would do this in MFS 2000, set up custom weather with 100 knot winds to the east from the ground up to 5000 feet, then 100 knot winds to the west from 5000 to 10000 feet, and the 747 would go crazy, even on autopilot

Same, but on FSX/Infinite Flight/X-Plane

I've never flown a real plane, so when I watch most videos of passenger plane crashes, I've got to admit that I probably would have crashed the plane, too. Not this one, however. My only experience is around 50 hours flying various flight sims on PCs, and even I could have handled this one much better than the actual pilots did.

@@JustMe-vn5pqI think you have to have genius level IQ to be a pilot

@@pattimaeda6097 thats not true lol. the genius level IQ is contained in the flight computers. a pilot is simply responsible to take over during these emergency situations and their responsibility is to communicate and make sure that everything is going well. and in this case the pilot didn't even know the stuff, the main thing he is responsible for in a plane: disaster management.

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sometimes who really to blame in these things is really an issue. I mean the cut cost mentality of these organizations in particular pakistani and indian which drives them to doing insane things and taking insane risks regarding adequacies like training etc is really disheartening.

Yes you'd save the day wouldn't you?

@@dann5480 I’d know to increase power. I’d have thought that was a pretty basic instinct.

@@wattage2007 Of course you'd know, and you'd save the day. Then ICAO would award you for your knowledge and skills. You'd then be a real hero of the aviation world.

@@dann5480 Umm, yeah ok, insane person.

not a bad idea, though you could just say "if people die and it's because of your neglect you could be executed"

@@ARockRaider They'll still figure out a way to weasel out of that. As far as the executives are concerned, if they're not on the planes, it's not their problem.

​​@@alexv3357Especially given the "and it's because of your neglect" clause. They'll fight tooth and nail in the court of law to ensure that the death of people is not established to be due to their neglect. I completely agree with OPs suggestion. Any executive of an airline should be legally mandated to use that specific airline's services as much as possible. Use the product you are investing in. Freedom of choice be damned!!!

A truly sublime idea. Dare I say it would also be quite effective!

Brilliant idea, fantastic even. If only the world did work this way, right? 🫤

Probably panicked

If that's the case, there's hope for me to become an astronaut that sucks at math 🤞

It says in the video they assumed the computer was managing the throttle.

@@but_is_it_art_6657 if he completely forgot the basics of flying a plane mid panic, then he was not well trained enough to handle panic. Been in the Navy 10 years and we train and drill so much to minimize panic during real problems and help make better decisions during them.

@@eXJonSnowidk even know how he became an airline pilot. I think in "poorer" countries, general aviation doesn't even exist, if at all. Poor people can't afford flight training, so the airlines there usually government owned or subsidized, hire random poor people out of a whole bunch of applicants and train them for free, and put them in jet airlines way too soon. Correct me if I'm wrong here but it seems that way. You can fly as first officer in airlines in other countries at 250hrs, which I'm certain very few of those are solo or without an instructor. The USA meanwhile needs 1400 hrs PIC in time, definitely hundreds of hours solo, and 1500hrs total to get into airlines, and because it's expensive and not paid by airlines only those who truly have a passion for it put in the money to be one, or go through the military. However lately due to loans people are mid life crisis career switching from their office into piloting and these are some GARBAGE pilots. Being a pilot is who you are but these fake office job "pilots" treat it like it's a job and their flight school as "training to work at the job. There's no general aviation, their private pilot cert and nothing matters except when they get in an airline and get airline money and free travel

3rd worlders don't make great pilots

Exactly

I don't know how it can be their first night flight in 12 years. Busted regs

I second that motion. I’m addicted to these damn videos. Especially the longer ones

​@@panman2568they're superb aren't they

I agree, but I guess if more sign up for his Patreon, then he might earn a living from this?

And I thought I’ve seen the best documentary, Nat Geo’s Air Crash Investigation. Which was a good doc, but this channel is miles better with the information & details, plus the storytelling is stellar

I hate longer videos

cheers was wondering that

@debroofgreen Thanks so much! I was wondering about that.

Thanks that’s helped me understand🙌

Additionally, there is a difference between airspeed and groundspeed. Tailwinds can slow down your airspeed but increase your groundspeed, which is why they are beneficial during the cruise phase of a flight.

Thanks for explaining, I was so confused with the headwind increasing speed and tailwind decreasing speed part.

Especially considering how many problems are mitigated by "punch it and climb". If nothing else, I'd think it would be nice to take manual throttle control just to know what it's doing as I need it.

It’s crazy. I have zero flight experience and when he was explaining the cycle of how the plane was falling and then pointed the nose down to get speed and then went up and then stalled again my first thought was “can the pilot not just engage the engines at full power to get out of this?!” If that was the first thought of someone with no experience, how did a pilot not think of it?!

@@shawnthompson8016 same here. it's somewhat logical, isn't it?

​@@shawnthompson8016the piloy was panic that why he cant think properly

@@skyfigurefun Never fucking mind how paniced you are you should do it that's a instinct but they were old maybe and knew some ways how to fly the aircraft maybe they flew it like a cessna

Landed in Heaven

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Bro full sent

Humour isn't for you.

Love it!!

This made me chuckle

​​@@kama4581no, let him cook

So tragic😢

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That means you've really been paying close attention. I think these videos, although very entertaining, are also actually educational.

@@user-mg6wn4hs5t when im yelling TOGA at the screen, I figure I’m learning things also.

This one wasnt hard, i felt like screaming TOGA almost as often as an 80s frat party

​@@user-mg6wn4hs5tthe type of education "you'll" never utilise

​@@mycosysi dont understand the thought process of the pilots. "So we are descending rapidly and losing speed, lets just wait and see what happens" Slam the throttles into the firewall and drop the flaps! Get the hell out of there!

Same!

I’m not a pilot, and even I know about Delta 191. This wasn’t airline specific, they were just terrible pilots

He drive into a thunderstorm because of God willing"...

honestly i feel genuinely a little sorry for the pilots. it was the airline's fault for not training their pilots properly however definitely there was some fault in the captain's decision to continue the approach. even if this accident was avoided another would have happened sooner or later anyways

genuinely no, @@dd5617, thats just your ignorance. Muslims should use inshah any time they refer to the future, it would have been habit. They would have said it every time they planned a route.

You haven’t flown in ten years?! Welcome back to air transport👍 I don’t know how I could live without regular airline travel

@@kamakaziozzie3038I’ve just never needed to. But it was very pleasant! Flew Delta first class in a Boeing 757. My grandma was kind enough to upgrade our tickets.

@@kamakaziozzie3038 Last time I was on a plane was legit before September 11th.

Have you ever heard of something called climate change ? :)@@kamakaziozzie3038

Check out Mentour Pilot. He does much more than crashes and has the insight as a captain of 737

It would be odd for a Muslim to talk about the future without saying inshahallah. They should even do it route planning etc, otherwise theyre denying the power of god and inviting something bad. They say it like every 2 min.

this isnt the point tho@@mycosys . He was advised to divert, and he decided to just plow through the thunderstorm with god's grace. Muslim or not, that was an idiotic decision

That was my point, @@kaykayessien8682 - just a stupid decision from arrogance, and lack of training. The ritual words were false humility for his own determination and arrogance - there was no 'with gods grace', he was saying 'i will make it happen'

Guy was a fighter pilot trainer with tens of thousand of hours flying, @@kaykayessien8682 - he took his skills for granted. If he had understood how the plane worked, he probably would have made it, too. Sadly he had trained on a much more advanced version, and failed because he couldn't handle the automation.

I agree it was an idiotic decision. God helps those who helps themselves. Prayer without work to save his passengers and himself was sheer stupidity considering that his FO was telling him to go around. Enjoying your videos but I'm now afraid to travel by plane.

Yes that would be natural reaction to take full power out but if you dont have proper brains then you are out of luck :D

His -400 training was terminated part way through because he was unable to grasp the basic concepts of how the automation was designed to be used. That was why he left his previous employer; somehow he had been allowed temporary certification on -400’s but he couldn’t maintain type rating once formal training and evaluation began. How his previous “much better managed” international airline let a -200 classic pilot go straight to left seat in a -400 without passing rating is also a pretty good question which says a lot about the regulatory environment there at that time. Once at Bhoja they sent him for simulator training / exam which he basically failed. Recommendation was “more training on automation required” which was never forthcoming. It’s seems a miracle that his 82 hours in type before that flight had not encountered major issues. Given he had been an airforce training instructor, he probably had pretty good basic airmanship and if he had never switched on the auto throttle and was not under the mistaken impression that it would magically handle that all by itself the outcome could have been entirely different.

The more I watch these videos, the better I get at identifying airplane models. And when the video started I said "that looks like probably a 737-200?" but then a few seconds later he said the date was 2012 so I was like "wait what the heck? Ok I guess it can't be a -200 then so I'm not sure what I'm looking at" 😂

Yes it was just 2 kilo meters away from my house.

​@@jayh240That's crazy. Did you hear it when it crashed?

@@LunaticTheCat sorry at that time i was in University. I did not visit the crash site as most of the people were started gathering there.

@@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm hmmm?

@@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm hmmmm..

1985 Dallas Delta 191 was one in a long chain. It basically was 1982 Kenner (Pan Am 759) a fully loaded 727 crashing on take off with all dead. Also look up 1975 (?) Eastern 66, crashed on landing in NYC

Yes, it's beyond you.

Improper training, unfamiliarity with an air craft... lots of reasons.

It might have to do with his military training as well- 95% of the time I think ex-military pilots are better than most, but those thousands of hours of more aggressive, “the pilot flying is King of the cockpit” mill training can sometimes lead to weirdly hubristic and tunnel-vision stricken behavior in these accident scenarios. This is a case in point.

Because he thinks god will protect him....

@@mathemat3939 Seek psychological help.

Becausw he was under the impression the throttle will just handle it self because all he knew this new model is more advanced and automated

Exactly

@@ndmb6333 If under pressure or in any doubt, AVIATE! Ditch the automation and flying the plane, meaning one hand on yoke, the other on throttle(s) straight away so you know where it's positioned. Anyway it's too late now.

For me it was more of the Autopilot error. I dont how pilot could have land it without AP. The only way was to not land at all. Instead they could have land on Peshawer. So the low safety standards have cost the lives of daily on roads and on Air too..

He probably doesn’t know it exists.

If he can forgot the entire throttle, he likely doesn't remember the TOGA button was there.

​@@Ealsanteit makes no sense to assume he just " forgot " the throttle exists , most likely he was under the impression the throttle will just magically handle it self because all he knew is that this new model is more advanced and automated

Yes, the go around give you a reset when in doubt, assuming there is enough fuel.

just curious. what does training teach?

You landed us smack dab onto an ad. Nice flying!

It really was vastly overstated, Muslims are required to say inshahallah whenever they refer to the future, they say it every few min generally. It would have been habit to say it when route planning, not some statement of faith

@@mycosysits insane. thats crazy magic nonsense

no moreso than swearing on a bible or many other silly xtian customs, @@cookie5535

Bless your heart, @@cookie5535

Who put this moron in charge, though? Well trained pilots are certainly vital, but it's the airlines responsibility to hire and train the best. I would put blame on the pilot of course, but I would put even more blame on the airline.

right? they're literally the same in that regard, move the lever (pedal) yourself and it'll deactivate, hell they could've even used the toga button for all they cared it'd have been equally effective, I just cannot comprehend how a pilot forgets he has a throttle lever

Thank you, I'll look into this!

It's a particular religion that has this philosophy...not hating, but it's that way with the followers

​@@CW-rx2js whereas the bible says count the costs. Or use ur head.

​@@CW-rx2js its not even what someone of that religion would be taught in the situation. It should be if God has shown you a safer alternative (aka a safe pathway), take it! Use your brain he gave you!

Agree, the old aphorism “God helps those who help themselves”

⁠@@CW-rx2jsI hope you’re not talking about Islam. Anas ibn Malik reported: A man said, “O Messenger of Allah, should I tie my camel and trust in Allah, or should I leave her untied and trust in Allah?” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Tie her and trust in Allah.” Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2517 Grade: Hasan (fair) according to Al-Albani This accident happened by way of the things described in this video such as poor training, so the part where he underhandedly takes a jab at his faith is in poor taste...

That's true. The delicate and classy way you present the facts somehow makes it a little bit easier to process. You never seem to forget that these are real people and this could be viewed by grieving friends and relatives. Thank you for your subtlety and compassion.

Because for us, as passengers, its about one particular flight or day. But these airports have to deal with 365 days, 24*7. They can't shut the airport off every time it rains. Plus, this wasn't even a dangerous storm. It was made dangerous by the pilots inabilities.

i think anyone can fly a plane in clear weather, the reason you need skilled pilots is when the weather isn't clear. that's why most of their workload can be done by automated systems.

@@ARockRaider i agree too. Flying a plane is actually simple thinking of it. But once problems occur for example bad weather or engine fires or structure damage it gets harder as it changes how the plane functions.

@@HorrorFuse exactly! i still don't know why putting all that into words feels so messy.

I don't wanna be yet another armchair pilot, but you'd think it'd be real early in the curriculum where you learn that pushing the big lever in the middle forward makes the loud spinny things on the side go vroom vroom real fast, I know this was a tragic incident but I just cannot comprehend how that's not the first thing you commit to memory when doing your license, even if you corruptly get there without a single flying lesson to speak off you just cannot not know how a throttle works. Every automated control can be overridden with your hands or by deactivating the system with its well-labeled button. There must have been a lot of stress for the pilots, I get that, but this has to be the dumbest mistake / lack of knowledge in aviation disaster history, how in the world do you forget how your airplane's thrust lever works?

@@justalonelypoteto when a situation starts to get completed little details often get lost, this can happen in any fast moving situation. that's why sim training and procedure is so important, it builds in a muscle memory so you are less likely to miss small stuff while trying to figure out something completed in a hurry.

When you have god and state of the art (20 year old) technology on your side, nothing is basic! lol

Not good for the passengers. But good for us.

scary to think that moron almost killed people before, during 10k hours

I remember that! And thank you, we're always aiming to improve our quality 🚀

Thanks, I will be covering that too

Sounds perfect!

​@@GreenDotAviationdo you have a ppl?

@@jaws666 I'm about 30 hours into my PPL at the moment, loving it :)

@@GreenDotAviation ah nice 1....wish i could but would fail the medical...flying R/C models is about as far as i can go.

Working on it... ;)

I know right like lameee

Allah was feeling ill that day, don't judge

Working on it ;)

No, they didnt, Islam requires them to say 'inshah' every time they refer to the future - it would have been pure habit. To do otherwise is to deny the omnipotence of god, and invite disaster. They would have done the same every time they planned a route. Its plain old lack of training, and dunning-kruger syndrome. He was seemingly a fighter pilot used to totally manual fighters and first gen 737s, who had seemingly thought 'autothrottle' meant it could read his mind. And a complete lack of safety procedure.

@@mycosys If you think some unseen entity is in charge of everything you do, that's an excuse not to think for yourself. It's a terrifying human phenomenon of dissociation that's not to be taken lightly.