I think it was a good play based on hero’s read at the time. I’ve made such plays and it was mostly predicated on the live read and hence why it’s not always ideal to analyze such hands as a call in.

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Does sound like the classic I put you on AK the whole time type of call

It's a soul-read, maybe, but we shouldn't be putting ourselves into positions like this, where we're risking a lot of money with a sub-par hand, depending on our read to be right. Hero got lucky that V wasn't bluffing with a better hand.

pre torch, otherwise wp

"iputchyaon" 😂

He either has it or he doesn’t…

@@Farts_McCoolfishy fishy fishy

It has to pay off sometimes or nobody would ever do it - the few times it works is what keeps 'em coming back for more

The long tank almost always means they have it from what I've seen though. Typically the type of player who punts off in this situation does it fairly quickly

Sometimes you can get max value from people who put you on AK?

Well said lol

The lesson is to value bet/jam AA/KK vs people who have a read on you

There's so much value to be extracted from opponents who always put us on AK, whenever AK wouldn't be the winning hand. Why can't we have an over-pair to the board, or better? Nope. No way. We always have AK, because nobody ever has anything else, and of course we're always going to triple-barrel bluff with AK, never give up and check, right? Would this guy bother calling this one in if V showed TT, or JJ-AA, or ATss? The entire point seems to be, "Eff ranges. I'm going with my read, and this guy just never has it here, so I'm calling down with 3rd pair."

if youre not 3betting suited aces you are playing bad and it makes your 3 betting range way to tight. This is the perfect type of hand to 3 bet in position but calling the massive 50bb 4 bet is not the play easy fold to that size

Raising the flop here with bottom pair in 4 bet pot pre doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

A raise here is so hilariously awful that it's clear why low stakes poker is so easy. What are you attempting to do? You're miles ahead of his ace high hands, why do you want them to fold? You're like 0-20% against everything that's calling a raise besides combo draws and two overcard spades (which are still ahead of you) and you're like 70-80% against everything he's going to fold that you want him in there with.

@@teeraw4575 suited aces are good 3bet candidates but surely you don't 3bet them every time

@@teeraw4575 Your comment implies that "suited aces" are all the same. Maybe you're just not good at poker. Do you not realize how much better it is to 3 bet A5 in this spot than A6? Or A9 rather than A6?

Well you have a Pepe the frog as your profile image, so, idk if anyone should be paying attention

@@Unhingedanduninformed😂😂😂

Hows that relevant? ​@@Unhingedanduninformed

yours is an L though .. @@Unhingedanduninformed

Every decision is justified by their “read”. Lol

Agreed: Villain's bet sizes Pre ( 4x 4-bet, wants to see a fold) , Flop , and Turn look all pretty fishy. - I can get behind Hero's logic why he rules out overpairs.

The caller played his hand perfectly.

​@@EllieBanks333🤣 🤣 🤣

You should go pro. Right away! Just use your reading skills. You could take anybody's stack down in no time.

The thing is, if you’re in a spot where your hand only beats a bluff but it’s a very underbluffed spot, Bart will tell you to fold. If you claim to have a sick read where you just know this is the one time the guy is bluffing, then why bother even calling in the hand? Poker strategy, putting people on a range of hands, looking at bet sizing etc. goes out the window if you just know what villain’s cards are.

Why call in then? If you are going off a read then just make your play don't ask for advice 🤣 this call was obviously just a brag call in not much analysis to do

@@fkscopes yeah that’s my feeling. If villain makes a 2X pot overbet shove on the river and only has 1 logical bluff combo and 20 value combos you lose to then obviously Bart will tell you to fold. If you claim to just have some sick read where you know this is the one time V is bluffing then there’s no point in calling in.

You should always be cognizant of your table image and adjust accordingly. The players that pay attention, will lower their bluffs and raise their value bets. Being aware of this, you can fold your weak hands and let them punt into you with your strong hands.

Dude will be wrong way more often then he is right on these kind of hero calls. Saying it's a great play is results-oriented.

That's the problem with calling in a hand like this, you kinda just have to be there. If you have a read you have a read, there isn't anything Bart can really say other than "You should probably fold"

Reads are as real of poker as gto

Don’t need to be rude

@@dt8799they do, it’s in their nature

Yes and no, much easier to do in a 4 bet pot, what are you going to 4 bet with? That right there is a very narrow range for most people.

Don't know if this was Bart's intent, but I wonder if Bart's turn reasoning is that we're already losing to all V's over-pairs to our 6, the river might make V a better 2P or a flush, and if the river pairs the T, we'll just be chopping with all V's unpaired A-high hands. My take on this hand is that we shouldn't be 3B'ing or calling V's 4B pre. But as played, when we make a pair on this sort of flop, where we'll have more 88 and 66 in our pre-flop 3B'ing range than V will have in his 4B'ing range, we should play our 1P very aggressively by raising the flop, but if we get called, we should just shut it down, and assume V is not going to fold if he checks turn and we barrel again. Hero made a big mistake pre, but can course-correct on the flop. I don't like flat-calling flop and turn with bottom pair here. We're really in no-man's land against an opponent who is capable of triple-barreling for value or as a bluff when all the draws brick out. Sure, he might be triple-barreling with AK, but he might also have TT, 99-AA, and ATs. Hero wasn't really "playing poker" here. He was just gambling, trying to guess if V was betting for value or as a bluff. He happened to guess right, but he could have just as easily been wrong. It wouldn't have shocked me if V turned over a better hand here.

Why "starting from flop"? But setting that aside, hero could/should play QQ exactly this way. [even including pre-flop]

@@EllieBanks333 So: pocket QQ losing everything to a higher pair would be ok, then?

@@pot_kivach160 It's a very strange time delay on your reply here, but... I'm curious at what point you'd fold QQ here? Would you fold KK at the same point? I'm also curious why you think I'd want to lose to any hand, not just a higher pair? At any rate, if you want my thoughts on this hand from when I originally watched it I will copy paste my original post on this thread. ---------------------------------- So I guess I must start with saying I agree with Bart & pretty much everyone about this being a fold pre-flop. Which means I'm just never in caller's spot. That said, post flop I'm on board. First, we must note that the caller tells Bart on multiple occasions he wants to play this particular player & feels he has some good reads/betting pattern tells to work with. Second, we can examine the streets. On the flop, pretty easy call. We actually get a good flop for our hand & Villain goes pretty small. On the turn is where I actually disagree with Bart, it's not the perfect turn card, but it's pretty good. I wish he had given more reasoning as to why he folds here. I heard him say the board could double pair & counterfeit our pair. That is puzzling. I'm not folding turn because I'm worried the river will be another ten. If it was a paint card or a spade, that's bad. If he started really sizing up on his turn bet, that's something to consider. But, as played & knowing we [hero/caller] are going after this player specifically, I'm not folding. When the river comes & villain jams, I think this is a snap call. The way this hand has played, his river jam makes no sense to me.

@@EllieBanks333 Thanks for the answer. _It's a very strange time delay on your reply here,_ For a good exchange of opinions, it's never too late, I reckon. It's a cold conversation anyway. . Depending on the opponent, I'd folded QQ even pre on the 4-bet. If I figured V is a splashy LAG, then it's a call pre. In this hand context, I'd called flop bet (small), and get rid of QQ on turn. It's not much of calling turn as much of worrying about river card/bet (Turn board is dangerous and QQ has TWO outs! vs 9+ of V's). FYI, in a $2/5 I (77) have called 5-bet jam pre against a LAG. Sure enough, he showed pocket AK. . KK is different story than QQ. I would probably go to river; and even called river jam (I don't think pocket AA would jammed river on this stake level). . I never thought you'd want to lose to anything. It's just a sentence structure that implies a thought of high pair loss justification answer. . Your copy/paste chapter complies with what I think.

@@pot_kivach160 Cool. Well, I guess I know how we differ then. I'm not in the habit of folding QQ pre. There are certain players I have played with where I might fold it. But those are what I call "rocks". They are so tight that I know that their entire 4 betting range is QQ+ & AKs. But against a random 2-5 cash player in a casino I'm not dumping QQ to a 4 bet.

The caller played this hand perfectly

yeah, villain downsizing his c-bet is where this largely falls apart for villain. he wants to say i have an overpair to this board and block the flush so fold. a bet of $165-$200 does this. a bet of $125 does not. he then goes on to undersize on the turn as well. he really should put a price of only an eight can call here, $225 isn't that. alternatively he can check turn, effectively polarizing his range to on a flush draw himself or has a hand so good it doesn't fear the flush (or at least blocks it) and plans on getting paid on the river.

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