The first video I did the other day on Police 1013: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oMCVpNJ2yryVlmw.html

I’m upset that I didn’t hear insane deals in the first 3 seconds.

Keep in mind, indie devs, you don’t have to make your own models. If you make a game that kicks ass then nobody will care. Art isn’t for everyone. That’s why the stores exist.

Nobody: Bigfry: do you want *LEGIT DEALS*

I deff agree with Big Fry but honestly, at the same time ... I don’t care what they use if it’s fun as hell lol .

Ill say it now, the reason the Ubisoft dev scrapped everything and chose to use assets is simple. the product was simply not up to par. I do find it interesting that the Dev with the 'most' experience decided to redo everything and that really is all that needs to be said to show just how little was done in 5 years. You dont scrap 5 years worth of content unless its either simply piss poor in quality or there simply was not enough to show 'the money spent' in its value that people backed. sounds to me like the Dev realised 'oh shit we cannot release this' use assets to fill the void created and release it 'as is'

There are people who can Program, others can Model, others can design, others can Texturize....to do all this on your own is incredible hard and maybe impossible. So i think using assets is allright as long as the game is good.

I totally agree. I own this "Character Interaction" pack on UE4 myself, and I can confirm that what this "indie studio" has done thus far, does not take more than a couple of weeks. After all these years, $100K should have taken them way further than this.

Assets in games are fine imo. I'm a .net / web dev myself and in the field we use a lot of libraries. Most of them open source because something that 1000 people worked on is usually better and more secure than if you make it yourself. Now I understand assets in games are not the same as libraries, at least not 100%. But imo if games even using assets are good and feels natural its fine. But yeah they should be open about it tough.

5 years? And they are still using market place assets? Lol

To be fair, programming a player controller is time consuming and difficult. I don't doubt that what was worked on previously was broken and near unusable, especially when considering the lead developer was an amateur. Attempting to understand and then amend another programmer's work can become more time consuming than just rewriting the whole thing.

A lot of big AAA games also use 3rd party assets a lot of the time. People just don't realize it. The animation system in For Honor was made by a 3rd party, and you can buy the same system on the Unreal Marketplace.

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This is nice, and many assets are 100% okay and should be used by man devs to save time and inspiration. But when devs are lazy and make no changes is when there’s a problem

Oh boi that escaleted quickly.

Every thing in a game is an asset whether you make it or not. Say store assets to make it clearer. Also I dont really think theres a problem using store assets is a bad thing as long as they dont hinder the gameplay. But after 5 years its unacceptable

I used to be a Community Artist, and I can safely say that the development prior to Matt’s diagnosis was pretty much nonexistent. Jellybean wasn’t the best community manager either but he got fired.

That poll at 13:45 is a false dilemma to say the least as devs try to force-buy from two non-alternatives (although they have random ways to go on). Here's the catch with the assets replaced later. Devs invest money into assets to spare work upfront. They will break even only after the game starts to sell. Once they have their money back and even more, they will have no motivation to replace assets as they won't get anything in exchange. After all, they've been working for the very money they've just earned. They also suggest that their commitment is stronger than those developers' paid from the 1M. But they are in it for the money just like those paid devs. Assets are usually all about visuals, not about the actual gameplay or functions and have not much connection with how quickly a game is finished. If you have a good but visually unimpressive game, you still have a good game. If assets is all you have, you have nothing. IMHO ( UE4 + assets + fps/tps template + kickstarter ) != video game .

uh oh

The name Asset Flip has lost a lot of its meaning, every game that uses any assets from the marketplace is instantly called an asset flip and is thrown aside, the assets don't say anything about the fun or quality of the game

love that the poll option 2 did not include multiple delays and a half baked game when it was actually completed

I completely understand using marketplace blueprint systems. I used the player building system in an upcoming project but I've spent weeks reading through the blueprints to make it my own. I've changed all the assets, built custom grids and added my own building animations

They wanted to raise another $1mill through crowdfunding to spend about 0.5% of that on marketplace assets and keep the rest for themselves? LOL

I feel like if people use assets and create their own stuff it should be fine. I mean ultimately some people just don't have the team to make their dream come true. using assets will help move along the process

They use the same assets as me. And we are at a deeper stage of development then them. As long as you utilize the asset to your game and give credit and be honest. There should be no problems with using asset.

Ubisoft dev comes in: the fuck is this shit *Proceed to pimp slap everything*

Being a fan of law enforcement sims in general (played a lot of SWAT3+4, I'm an avid LCPDFR/LSPDFR player, also have Flashing Lights on my Steam account, and currently participating in the closed beta test of Police Simulator 18), Police 10-13 always felt to be fishy for me since the day it was announced. Here are some "highlights" of this project, you can double-check these with a simple Google-search, or by checking out the game's Greenlight page, Reddit sub, the WaybackMachine captures of the official site, or the LSPDFR boards. I'm not saying that the project is fake (I think Matt really is dedicated to produce a game); rather, I just claim that the project is badly managed, and that it cannot possibly produced in the form what has been (and is being) promised by the project lead. a.) Back in 2014, the project has been greenlit on Steam within a couple of days. When some users there claimed that the voting was suspiciously bot-based, Matt threatened to sue said users. He also had a tendency to edit the posts of people who were suspicious on the project, and then ban them. b.) Even back then, all models and assets he shared on Greenlight were royalty-free models from Turbosquid. c.) When he opened a recruitment topic on the LSPDFR boards, he quickly got into an argument with the site admins, claiming that the project is a scam, and cannot be possibly completed with the promised features by 2017. As usual, Matt threatened to sue the LSPDFR site staff, after which they came to the agreement that the topic will be deleted, and Police 10-13 cannot be discussed in any way on the mod's board afterwards. d.) Matt routinely inflated his facts when it came to promises. Back in 2014-15, the project was supposedly aiming for an AAA single player and MMO experience, offering a variety of service branches (beat cops, K9 units, detective gameplay, SWAT teams, boat service, pilot support, CSI, bomb squads, etc.), and a criminal career path in multiplayer. All this available in a 100 sq2 map and a persistent multiplayer component, led by an indie documentary and short film maker with no prior game development experience, and no developer team to begin with. While the investor talks were supposedly a "huge success" (as he put it back then on Facebook and the official site), it is apparent now that he wildly exaggerated both the game's scope and the success of the funding attempts. No wonder that the roadmap and the project scope has radically decreased since - after all, there was simply no headcount behind all those claims. e.) It is partly because of the above that he set up the "Community Development Branch" initiative. Take a look at the disclaimer of participating in said branch on the official website. In short, he expected all the work, and offered no compensation in return. f.) The Project Blue Line crowdfunding initiative is not handled through Kickstarter or IndieGoGo, but via PayPal on the game's official website. As such, there are no funding goals, no refunds, and no guarantee that anything actually gets produced from the money you send. You have been warned. g.) Matt still handles criticism very poorly. He routinely bans people off Discord who raise concerns (apparently for being "trolls"), and regularly holds tantrums in his Facebook posts. He also attacked FirstThirtyMinutes a couple months ago in a similar fashion when he raised his concerns in a video regarding the project. I cannot tell if this is indeed because of bipolar disorder or not, but it's sure a quick and effective way of destroying any credibility he has left.

This looks like a reskin for the original h1z1 release back when it was still in beta testing

I really do want 1013 to be good I really do but I don't see it going well anymore

I've been following this game since its first announcement. I used to be very active on their forums back in 2014/15 as well. They had created a ton of hype and developed a huge community. We were constantly providing content ideas and were hashing out what was and wasn't realistic for a game like this amongst ourselves. I stopped my activity when they shut down the forums abruptly with little to no warning and all of our "contributions" were lost. I believe they started a new forum but it was dark for a while. I've kept up to speed on the development since then via their facebook page and occasionally would think "oh what's come of this game?" And visited a website that has changed very little over the years. I doubt this game will ever get finished. I have extreame doubts about this project as a whole. After the treacherous failure that was Enforcer: Police Crime Action, I am begining to think this will never amount to anything like the ambitions set before it. After years the only thing to show for our donations and hope is a 5 week asset flip? What on earth have you been doing? I mean seriously, even before the tumor there was nothing to show for the game out side of a couple poor models and assets! Its shit the developer has gone through a lot but even before hardships he's produced nothing more than a hype train to nowhere. I mean look at flashing lights. The game is garbage but its been made by a single developer and is lightyears ahead of Matt and his team. The fuck? Even Enforcer was complete trash and still has more to show. No development on the world. No callouts. No massive city. No customization. Not even a complete police station. Its a fucking sham. You have the ambition but lack the ability. You want what we all want in a Police sim but bro. You ain't the one to deliver it. I believed in you. But I think its time to tap out. TL;DR - The fuck you been doing with our money all these years. Fuck dude.

What this bloke doesn't understand is that he put himself in this position not you BigFryTV....i was hyped for this game when it was announced and I gave up on it after a year or two because i could see it wasn't going anywhere.

Great video mate, glad to see some videos like this popping up, very concerning what's happening.

New Dead Matter vlog is dope! Check it out Fry. A good example of how REAL indie devs make a game.

what type of indie dev misspells indie?

Movies use props, backrounds, and actors that have been created by other companies and used in other movies. So if a game is fun, works, and isn't pay-to-win, who cares if they use assets and don't "confess" to it like it's a bad thing.

I really appreciate you clarifying the deal with assets first. There are far too many people bashing games as asset flips for simply using a couple of art assets. There is a big difference between using the marketplace assets to help and just uploading it practically straight from the marketplace.

There's nothing wrong with buying assets to make a game.. if anything it's helping the game Dev community because people making the models and textures for the models are being paid and appreciated, if people didn't buy assets everyone would have to create them themselves and with any form of coding you can use APIs that are coded by someone else and you didn't do that work and no one mentions every API they've used in software, for example if it's AI or a bot or a browser.

I don't really feel like you can fault people, so long as they're actually paying for the assets and not passing them off wholesale as an entire game. Buying an asset is no different than paying someone to MAKE an asset, and I don't see where the confusion about that is. Anything made for a game is an asset. Asset doesn't mean it was just purchased from a store, and using the definition like that just makes the argument unnecessarily confusing. The only issue here is that the devs are lazy and the game is going to suck as a result. No issue here that has to do with purchasing and using assets.

"indi" 😂😂😂

As a tip for the future, you might want to consider referring to pre-made content as either store bought assets, or pre-made assets. Just saying "assets" is vague and confusing as the word just means any audiovisual content created for a project (in this case a game), regardless of who created it. e.g. you could sit down and 3d model a car, it's an asset. or you could go to an online store and buy one, it too is an asset.

I don't care where it comes from I just want great games.

I really like your channel a lot. You are like a YongYea for lesser known survival/shooter games.

Thanks for bringing these issues to light lol. Makes me understand why there was so much hate.

I have to admit after watching the last vlog video there was a bunch of times where 1013 was making comments about how yes they have eyes and all and those were already built into the asset. I also have NO issue with an asset being used and said how it was used to further development of other areas vs if you watch the vlog again many times are stated how "yes he does look back when driving" those are already built in the purchased asset.

Tbh. As long as the gameplay is there and i enjoy it i couldn't give a shit about whether they're reused animations and assets. game-play and game support beyond a few months is more important.

What a turn here fry! I don't even know what to say at all about this like WOW!!!!

Love the videos

I could see right away they was using the Character Interaction system for the shooting in Third Person, they didn't even change the crosshair color from the default or anything aha.

"For lack of a better word, a ball ache" .... How bout headache? Haha

I was really excited about this game when it was announced back in like 2014-2016 now I'm sad the game went this direction

Gj on 100k o/

Interesting video! I can't wait to see what else you have to say! Keep it up :)

funny how dayz doesnt even have climbing yet but this game does

This also happens in rap. We call it ghost writing.

The second the dev says something about "Trolls, haters, keyboard warriors, and hostile KZfaq content creators", you know they're backpedaling and trying to blame others when they get called out for being scam artists.

I am glad I don't really buy early access titles anymore, seems like this stuff isn't going to stop any time soon.

I’ve been playing flashing lights ik it’s got assets I think but I’ve been impressed

I think u r confused with something , assets are made so that people buy them and use. It's fine to use assets even if it's permanently. Game devs are making a game they are not architect or whatever. As long as they make good games that works that's fine.

Forgot to like and comment so clicked again. FRY FOREVER!

Some of the best movies and games use plenty of stock assets. They're just used to fill the gaps where modelleing an entire set of book models insnt or getting some birds sounds worth it.

I love you Big Fry for being honest,I'm starting my dev blog soon,so don't go hard on m lol

I have no game development experience but using assets for everything while having 100k of donations seems shady as fuck

they can make a hospital walking simulator with those assets

go get that 100k

well that was surprising

max 500-700e for assets from ue4 marketpace, but Police1013 game trailer state is made for few days

Lol ive following this game since 2015, always thought this was an asset flip

I've worked for a Matt Norman before. They spend all their energy convincing everyone that they would be delivering a completed product except that "someone said something online that I have to argue with them about!" The reality is they have never had any of the talent or resources to do what they've promised and are hoping for people to get distracted enough by the drama that they stop asking for the end product.

I think it's hilarious the game presents you with a world where the officers show up to work in full battle rattle, and drive a regular patrol car while still on full swat gear.

6:57 I like the idle animation tho

police 1013 looks pretty ambitious tbh

Why reinvent the wheel? Art assets are one thing --- but blueprint assets? Does it really matter if you buy an asset for $100 that does the exact same thing you plan on programing? Is it any different, really, if you hire a programmer for $100 to write the blueprint, rather than buy it? I get it to some degree, but at the same time I don't. The assets are there for a reason. They are being sold to be used in games. They are being created by developers who are getting paid for the use of that asset. If they weren't meant to be used in games, they wouldn't be selling them. With that in mind, I do have to wonder where the term 'asset film' begins and ends. Is it only an original asset if you create it yourself, or only if you hire an employee to work in your office? What If I sign a contract with someone? Technically, I paid for an asset that I'm now flipping. I also think that then whole thing is blown way out of proportion by people who have way too much time on their hands. 99.99% of players of Police 1013 would never know the blueprint asset was purchased from an asset store. It just seems like making a mountain out of a molehill by a select few with too much time to investigate around. For example, I have been a web developer for a long time. I *never* write all the original code. I have templates (blueprints) from libraries like Boostrap that I copy/paste off, and then customize to fit my needs. WHY would I re-write the entire code, when 98% of it already exists in a freely available market?

i really want this game to work

DEAD MATTER DEVELOPER VLOG IS OUT

i am going to make an entire game filled with asset flip.

What's the song you use in these videos? I like it and been trying to find it

I knew it was cropped from the start because the aiming reticule is horrendously placed off center

I know nothing about this games situation but from a creators standpoint, and a coders standpoint I can sort of understand why they threw out the old stuff. Sometimes very simply it might be easier and better to toss the old stuff done when you come up with a more streamlined approach to the work you are doing. Imagine getting new people on a team and them having to bend over backwards to work with old (obselete in some cases) assets and code rather than tossing all of that out and working fresh. You see THAT sounds to me like what hes saying in the post you talked about. Maybe the Ubisoft guy had him throw all of that stuff out so they can work faster.

What was that other game you showed footage of that kinda looked like the division? That game honestly looked really good! I think you said dead something?

I've been keeping up with your videos and I'm not sure of your remember on the first one. I've also, like I said before, been keeping up with the game since it was announced in 2014 and I personally donated my hard earned money (400 USD) to this when they were first doing donations. Like I pretty much said before I was in HS when it dropped I'm now 21. I will honestly look past it all as long as it is a good game. I fully support them. But hey bigfry I have seen a few of your videos and do like your work bud. Keep it up you did gain another sub today :)

The game looks great. I don’t care about assets used. I will buy it when it comes out

great stuff man totally agree assets can be ok as long as their is an original or at least sturdy game underneath, i had jawes of extinction devs basically threaten me because i said they were using assets on top of a just not very original game (apparently not it was their own creations but i wasn't convinced) we ended up coming to an agreement basically he was going to strike me for my critical video was the impression i was getting from angry discord messages , it didnt get alot of views and i had lots going on so didn't argue much, took video off and wont be supporting them anyhoo in this instance i watched the dev video for this and yeah seemed off, the main character main principle all assets? he at least admitted in the dev blog itself but seems shady

YewTewb Chenow. Love u bigfry

Police 1013 development wait = bannerlord development wait?

Also what is with the preview lighting? Did they never build?

I’m not that knowledgeable about these things but if they have to pay for the asset packs and they’re making a half decent game then I don’t see it as a massive issue.

Then we remember Incursion 100

I love this guy. He’s straight up and honest. People may call him harsh but he can really help out these devs.

I use community assets in my game. *dramatic gasp* But unlike this guy i dont get an asset for 200 dollars that is basically the game itself and sell it. I make ALL the code and then put a community model of a bed down or a table that i dont know or dont have time to make. Plus my game is free :)

Back then, they were using the cry engine now; they are using the unreal engine.

My favorite video of yours.

Great video honestly. We've also been on the fence way back when we started out how his game can have been in development for so long. I can't wait to see how deep this rabbit hole goes...

It’s been 4 years since Police 1013 announced their development and website. At this point, I doubt they’re going make it into Xbox One, and PlayStation 4 consoles like they’ve mentioned on their website. With that being said, they’re asking way too much. I understand, I do but it is going to take a long, long time before they reach their quota. I was excited, was.

I Will have my kids play banner lord, and their Children will play police 1013

There is no problem in buying assets. But there is a huge problem in pretending that someone else's work is your own and scam people to give you money based on that premise.

10-13 is police radio traffic for shots fired

All i got to say is lens flares break immersion is seconds. Plus this isn't a movie, whats that light refracting from ?

Get em boy. This video is truth. Keep doing you man.

I am a game dev and i am trash at art so i will be purchasing assets, i dont see an issue with that. im not sure how people are supposed to get into the industry when they get shit on because of "asset flips" by people who dont make games at all.

"I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed" shot to the heart.