Watching Ava laugh that much at her own joke about Captain Tom the XL Bully who loves walkers brought me such joy 😂

My favourite was the lady doing race science on the XL bullies. She's sat there watching a 62kg dog maul a toddler and pausing it going "LOOK! LOOK! LOOK AT THAT SKULL SHAPE! THAT'S AT LEAST 5% PITBULL! AT LEAST!"

A Geoff Marshall/Politics Joe crossover where Ava takes him to that secret tube entrance is suddenly something I need in my life

The XL Bully owner suggesting that the agressive ones may have 'some form of Pit's gone into them' whilst wearing that T shirt is the very definition of Irony.

"why go for the XL Bullies when there are rapists and murderers?" Pretty sure rape and murder is illegal...

why do they keep saying 'at the end of the day'? is something going to happen at 11:59pm?

The acceptance of mediocrity in this country is the thing that pisses me off the most these days as well. Honestly, I knew Brexit would be a disaster, but there was a hope in me that it would succeed and people would finally wake the f up and realise that it's the government, not the scapegoats they keep peddling that is at fault for all our problems. But no, people still accept this BS, they'll accept this BS when Starmer gets into office, and they'll accept this BS when the Conservatives eventually retake control in 5 or 10 years down the line. And they'll do it while acting all f-ing superior to migrants, refugees, and every other ethnic group around the world. We're living in a nation of massive f-ing hypocrits.

*That was a VINTAGE episode* ... If you're putting together a Christmas episode, there will be lots of great banter/ jokes to draw from. Everyone on top form today. Very, very engaging, enlightening, informative. I come away feeling better than I did when I started listening. Well team team !

People are jumping to conclusions on this idea of them being forcibly put down. The most likely thing is that they have to muzzled and kept on a leash in public and neutered. Something which a lot of dog owners do anyway. People need to get the fck over it. You want a dangerous dog, accept there are rules that come with it. If it were me in charge i'd make every single dog owner have to prove they are responsible enough to own ANY dog, period.

If a small dog is aggressive you can just pick it up. 😂😂😂 he makes a good point.

I saw my neighbours xl bully having sex with a Kangaroo here in Queensland last week. this could be a problem .

The point is that it is a dog that if it kicks off it can tear a person apart. A poodle or numerous other dogs arent going to do that.

just as a reference: in Switzerland all dogs beyond a certain weight (after they reach 18 months) have to have mandatory training . Then I think after an even higher threshold they have to have a muzzle

That acceptance of failure is something I noted after I came back from a holiday in Belgium, this country as a whole just feels like we jacked it in completely.

The issue with the dogs is always going to be that I, a person walking down the street, do not know whether you've trained your dog well, or whether you've trained it to kill. Personally I think the dogs that have attacked people have probably been trained to kill or for home defense or sport, or given no training at all. The issue is that I have no way of knowing and feeling safe. You say you don't feel safe without it, but I don't feel safe with it. If everyone else walked down the street with a dog you wouldn't feel safe either! This is devolving into the debate over second amendment rights in the US.

drinking challenge : Take a shot every time you hear "At the end of the day" during the xl bully segment

Let’s be realistic as well, there’s dogs that weigh 80-90 kilos that are clumsy as fuck but they don’t go into such crazy attacking frenzies as these specifically bred creatures.

This episode was a certified banger. Ava was on fire! 😂

I very much remember the salmonella saga, I made an Egwena Curry for a primary school Easter egg competition. Thanks guys.

XL bullies? Set Cruella Braverman on them, that'll teach 'em a lesson they won't forget in a hurry.

I dont see why we shouldn't address poor dog ownership head on. As anyone who lived through the debate about Staffies being crossed with Pitbulls in the early 2010's will remember, banning a specific breed just leads to people picking the nearest looking alternative and claiming their banned dog is one of those. We should have a size based license system, just like with motorcycles, cars and trucks. Have an accredited training scheme for anyone wanting a breed thats average weight is above 30kgs, breeds need to be certified by a vet, and we should have a flat "leads at all times" law when in public places for all dogs. I could even see it being a good idea for a dog trainer or vet to be able to issue an advisory temperament assessment for whether a dog should be muzzled in public. We microchip most dogs these days, it should be fairly easy to include this info on there. Oh and anyone breeding and selling dogs needs to be licensed and inspected.

Thank you for your topical and comically-fueled pubcast, strewn with laughter; good for the soul after a hard days work ...🤓😂

Ten years ago I briefly worked for a company that did consultations with members of the public regarding HS2 in the areas that were going to be directly affected by it. Just from that consultation it was abundantly clear that the London to Birmingham line was almost universally unwanted, but the northern legs were something people regarded as worth having. The government should have taken this into account early on in the process.

The fact that you have to train these animals a specific way in order to keep them under control is worrying and should tell you they are dangerous.

"My 63kg dog is fine as long as he's not a mixed breed. It's mixed breeds that are the issue." Lol.

Loaded guns shouldn't kill innocent children if the owners are careful ... and yet. XL Bullies are no different

Thank you Eva, we in N.Ireland know more than most about over application and use of force against civilian communities and with cases like the British Soldiers clearly killing kids in uniforms, or being involved in killing squads there is a case to answer !!

Too any dog owners try to intimidate you with their dogs and let them go free on pavements and parks without leashes. Don't care if they chase anyone. I think it's good the government is banning at least the dangerous ones.

Your thumbnails are wonderful 😊

🗣🗣🗣 "LOVE PODCASTS HATE NONCES ITS THE POLITICSJOE PUBCAST LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!!!" 💯💯💥💥

Ollie is a very patient man 🤣

If you can afford to feed a dog the size of a bullyxl then I am pretty certain you could afford to have it neutered. Also there are a lot of charities that offer the service.

I was badly bitten by one these dogs - one that I rescued - twice within a week. When people hear this, they expect that I would be all in favour of a ban, and when they hear that I dont, they ask why not. This is why not: because im neither a simple minded moron, or a cowardly politician looking to score cheap political points by prescribing a simple solution to a complex problem, to hell with all the collateral damage, families torn apart and innocent dogs being murdered that would inevitably result. It breaks my heart to think of the suffering that the dog I rescued, must have experienced in his first home, before being abandoned and ending up spending two years in a shelter. And it breaks my heart that I didnt have sufficient ability to fully rehabilitate him, and he had to go back to there. Sadly, it is true that these dogs often attract the wrong sort of owners. Sad most of all for the dogs who often are twice victimised, first (in some, but by no means all cases), by their scummy owners who mistreat and torture them until they are made to become dangerous, and then by the state. There is solution to the problem. But taking meaningful enforcement action against animal cruelty, and reliably sending people to prison for animal abuse, is obviously not a route the government wants to go down. Much easier to repeat a few thoughtless, easy soundbites, stoke popular resentments, grab some headlines in the right-wing press, and pass a decree - even knowing in advance that it will not, nor could ever, be successful in its ostensible aim - than do something that would be effective, but would actually take some thought and effort and money, which is plainly , far too much to ask of Sunak, Cruella, et al.

If anyone had a negative impression of what the typical XL Bully owner looked like Those interviews certainly confirmed their suspicions!

I have a small, scared dog. And the idea of that woman jogging past me on the street (with dog) is an absolute nightmare for me. My dog would freak out barking (triggering the bully?) and I have no ability to avoid the situation. I also wonder if there should be a requirement for the owner to be physically able to restrain the dog. No point in a lead if the dog can drag you along (I’ve seen kids holding the lead in the past).

Based on what’s happened since I support Ava’s right to open carry.

That woman claiming they’re not her favourite dog breed wants to see the birth certificate

Just here to say big respect to Capital J Journalist. Intelligence, critical thinking and self-perception are three of the most attractive traits in people of any gender. Loved the way she responded to Laurence by not just pointing out what he had clearly done wrong but by acknowledging the context of men's poor mental health to the original discussion. Left his defenders with absolutely no leg to stand on. 👏👏👏

Wish I could come to liverpool to watch the live pubcast, hopefully maybe Manchester one day. Great episodes as always, laughing with you all the way

anyone who says it's not the dog its the owner know nothing about the genetic traits of certain breeds and the dangers of mixing certain breeds.

Honestly fucking love you three, I laugh more at this than comedy podcasts 😂😂😂

The reason people can accept failure and mediocrity in their country is their lack of genuine pride. Going to Europe theres very little litter because people still care about their environment and communities.

XL bully owners love talking about the end of the day

On defining dog breeds, it's in the interests of government and police to keep the current status quo whereby police can visually say they are "of pitt type" and already can judge them to be dangerous to seize and destroy. Bullies are frequently mixed with mastiffs, staffies etc to get a bit of genetic variety, and if you have other mixed breeds within the acceptable niche then they're also going to be scrutinised as part of this.

why are people talking about [this specific thing] when there are [other things] that should be paid attention to! Fallacy of relative privation. It is possible for us to fix more than one thing at once, jfc.

The woman who walks the streets doesn't get much business. Something to do with the company she keeps. The geezer with the studded dog collar looked very saintly and responsible with his Cerberus lead.

Drink every time an XL Bully owner says 'at the end of the day'...

In my country 🇺🇸 OC AND CS gas IS LEGAL for civilians. We even have oc and cs gas to protect against animals. No matter how much you love dogs , at the e d of the day, theyre animals. THEY BITE !!!

Love to see Ava laughing 🎉 shes great.

"My dog is harmless". Also "I only feel safe with him".

Oil’s dismay at the end killed me off

Whats the point in becomming a police officer if you're not allowed to break the law with impunity? Its wokeness gone mad.

Can we just ban the breading of dogs with known unhealthy traights like most pure bred dogs e.g. dachshunds and pugs.

In this episode, we find out that Politics Joe is filmed literally on the street and not, as we initially were led to believe, in a pub..

I want Ava to write a Edwina/John Major Memoir

Why is it to an XL bully owner everything happens at the end of the day?

By far the funniest politics podcast, genuinely brings a refreshing light tone to an otherwise gloomy political commentry scene!

Try replacing UK with US, and XL Bully with gun.

The intros back then!

Surely an xl bully would be a lot bigger than a pitbull staffie cross, staffies arent that big

Yet again, you know these people with XL Bullies are fools. Any reasonable government can do more than one thing at once. As for the woman who said she was safe with her dog in effect means it would attack if someone got close.

The work around for XL bullies will be the same as all the other dogs on the list. Overnight the dog becomes a cross breed, and is exempt from the law. I've worked with dog bite victims for over 20 years... in no case was a dog identified from the list. The law is useless.

I'm glad they didn't turn up with their dogs.

Dogs look like their owners.

Re HS2, @ both ends of the London/B'ham line archaeologists exavated big C18 graveyards. The St James' overspill cem'y lay under Camden Rd, in the way of the new platforms, now unwanted

Ollie's face when Ava mentions Jordan Peterson hahahahhahahaha

So whats actually going to happen "at the end of the day" ? People kept saying it but im non the f@cking wiser.

A 60kg dog is larger than some adults, never mind children. His four year old is probably only like 20kg or something.... It's a melting pot of problems. People buying large aggressive dogs for the esthetic and the reputation. Those people will potentially not be able to handle something that size. I have a 20kg spaniel, and if he sees a rabbit he can near take my arm off, never mind a dog that weighs the same as an adult and is even stronger. I'm sure there are loads of responsible owners with well trained, well bred dogs, but when there is no pedigree to check that you have bought a responsibly bred animal, how do you do your due diligence? How do you separate the responsible owners from the twats, because there is nothing surer than it's the twats that cause the problem, not the dogs.

29:15 If you were in the park with your toddler and XL Bully (which viewed your toddler as a member of the pack to be protected at all costs), perhaps you might not feel so negative towards them. Just a thought. I am not a dog expert or an owner of such a dog. So any KZfaq whining at me. Muted. No discussion.

What % of men would takedown a XL hamster?

"Its the dog that keeps me safe" Does that not suggest that the dogs are agressive.

No surprise the police are throwing the toy's out the pram they always act like this when they have to take any responsibility for there actions.

Go on Ed with the Zombies reference

I'm picturing XL Bully dog owners dressing them up like chickens to disguise them 🐔

Whatever dog you have you need to be realistic on how much time and training you can give it. Some need more than others, so you cannot be complacent about it. I have a lab and know.he is very soft and gentle but I still train him and keep him in line

For goodness sake, someone give Ed a fresh cuppa. He keeps looking in his cup and it is still empty!

You guys are good vibes man ❤

The owners can say what they like but the dogs are bred for violence. It’s inate. It’s sadly not if they attack someone but when

Parliament dog attack!😂😂😂

Find that 2% of men, and have them fight tunas.

Loved that! 🎉

The dangerous dog act has been ineffectual for decades... it needs redone, not another name added to a pointless list.

jfc people in GB not ever knowing anything about Northern Ireland (in this case the legacy bill) is so mindnumblingly irritating

Genuine question: what is a "traffic nonce"? I've never heard those two words together before.

I think the discussion on armed officers was so disingenuous, it was so obvious that not one of them would ever look to serve the public and are more than happy to jump to conclusions and say.. well they are highly trained so tough luck, the comment also of no one asked them to do this job was disgusting. Yes officers are highly trained, but no amount of training will prepare you for a real incident when you have to make that split second decision on if you should fire. There is hardly every any shots fired by the UK police due to the level of training they receive, any time they do the automatic assumption form the press and public is that they were wrong to fire, i am sure that the CPS are not swayed at all by public opinion of the met and have properly looked into this before deciding to charge the officer. All the officers are asking for is a fair look at their actions as anyone would want to and some support from their chain of command, no one has said they want crown immunity this is just another assumption from the hosts of this show.

Imagin the pharmacy lobby can afford drinks

Love podcasts hate nonce's will never not be funny tbh

Ava, I reckon there's a lot of crossover between the media skeptic XL Bully crowd and the pharma-skeptical crowd, so those nights out would probably look pretty similar.

... [Applause]

Response to Ava and xls going through tunnels at crufts. I would think they are better suited to digging hs2.

Today it is the American Bully. In future it could be Rottweilers, Bullmastiffs, Akitas, Wolfhounds, or any large dog breed. Ultimately, any large dog could potentially be banned simply due to it’s size. If you ban guns, katanas, and crossbows then people with bad intentions will simply move to knives, which is why the UK government has been trying to ban knives. It is the same thing with dogs.

Ava should have a gun to discipline oli and ed

Dont ask those XL bully owners what they think of trans people 😅 protect the kids tho until its my dog the size of a small tank

Regarding scrutiny of armed police the question is whether the IOPC/CPS are responding based on public pressure/politics rather than on the facts. We cant know without seeing the evidence, so we can only blindly trust, and trust is in short supply. The only way to really solve this is a complete overhaul of the police's attitude and culture to make the public and especially those from minority backgrounds trust them again, then we will have less polarity and unrest when it comes to cases like this.

the problem is tories

See, I don't mind idiots. I don't mind if they are illogical, make decisions based on emotions rather than facts, and if they have the reasoning skills of a toddler. But it gets serious when such people are in control of tools and weapons - or in this case, animals - which have the capacity to harm others. Either the weapons need to be removed, or the idiots do.

17:34 If you cannot afford to neuter, muzzle, and register a dog ie with a chip (which is the law no?) and have a sufficient lead, you cannot own the dog, should not own the dog. Goes for any breed, goes for any animal. Having a pet is a luxury, a privilege, a responsibility which comes with expenses . Same as having children. I love sausage dogs but I know they are inherently a very attack prone, aggressive dog, hence why if I am able to have one I would take every precaution a large dog owner should. Size does not excuse aggressive poorly trained dogs. Yes indeed I could pick up a tiny dog, get it better under control but complacency is dangerous. I sympathise with the owners but those dogs are or were bred for a specific reason which genetically makes them dangerous. Nature will kick in, even very well trained dogs could revert back to natural instincts. Moreover I do have to question why a person wants a dog that has such capabilities of harm, goes for other breeds. Certain breeds just should not be pets. All the owners interviewed proved our fears. Like the owner who uses their dog for protection while out, granted I sympathise as the streets are dangerous for many and we are not protected properly, but I’m sure a drug dealer who owner one uses the same logic, to protect them, the owner in the black top, saying it’s genetics, that they are mixed with other breeds which don’t mix, often it is intense inbreeding which can causes issues too. You cannot say it’s the owners not training them, if they were trained attacks wouldnt happen l, while also saying it’s bad genetics which causes attacks. Which is it, surely ‘good owners and good training’ should bypass or override ‘bad genetics’, or is it ‘bad genetics’ win regardless?

High Speed Rail isn't too expensive. Not building high speed rail is too expensive.

It is wideley recognised that bulldogs are among the most docile breeds providing they have been reared appropriately

Cruella Braverman said she will take Afghan hounds over Afghan people any day !!