Thank you John, it's really my pleasure since I enjoy watches so much. Take care and be safe, Bill😷

Bruce, Saturday (AM) we'll be having our live stream about who's telling us what is HH? We'll get 'em! Cheers, Bill

Oh no! I don't want to be one of those fan boys! How do you like it Graeme? Take care, Bill

Hi JGP, the The Tissot Ballade COSC is a good office watch for everyday use. As far as the details and history, they are well priced. Take care, Bill

That's great to hear David! Take care, Bill

Very nice, Mike! Take care, Bill

Voornaam, Congratulations man! Very cool watch with the free sprung balance! Cheers, Bill

Hi, just want a quick inquiry. I have a 6.1 inch wrist size. Would this be too watch be too big?

@@yuanfangqian7756 I think that will be fine! I don't have big wrists and it fits great

@@voornaamachternaam255, thanks for the quick reply. Did you get it on a leather or metal bracelet? I had a very brief try of the blue dial with metal bracelet at my local department store and it did feel a little big, but then again it was a very brief try.

@@yuanfangqian7756 In my opinion 40mm is just fine, but ofc I can't decide for you haha. The watch itself is great value for the money I think. I have it on the metal bracelet but I might be buying a leather one in the future too!

Happy with two Tissots both with Poewermatic 80s--nothing wrong with that! Take care, Bill

Hi Timothy, it looks like your comment was cut at the end. A 'tad' fast at 1.5 seconds a day... I wish my watches would run with that accuracy! Take care, Bill

Hey Mark, another added benefit is that you can see the movement more clearly with the slower frequencies. As the escape wheel is stopped and released you can see the dance of the pallet fork releasing energy to move the gear train along ... much nicer. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

That is a great point Bill. I completely forgot about that, but it is definitely a plus.

As always NRS, the pleasure is mine! Cheers, Bill

Nice 👍

While I don't care for the Powermatic 80s with the silicon hairsprings, Mark, the other PM80s are as good as they get for workhorse movements. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci Would you mind elaborating on this Bill? From the mechanical aspect, it seems Siliciums properties would make it an ideal material for the application.

@@V3rt1g0s From a purely practical point of view silicon is very practical. It's non-magnetic, less affected by heat and cold and maintains its shape. Quartz watches are even better at it, and as timekeepers neither can beat 'smart watches.' The watch collection hobby for me is not to get a 'more practical' nor 'more accurate' watch-my iPhone works just fine for that. The hobby is to collect watches with transitional metals used in watches since Breguet's time. The metalloids, like silicon, [and arsenic ] are fine for solving some problems (as is quartz...which is nothing but silicon and oxygen) but they take away to most interesting challenges in the hobby.

That's great to hear, Gary. Especially the reasonable service price. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

Glad you liked it, Douglas. Kindest regards, Bill

Glad it was helpful Joe! One thing to keep in mind with the Powermatic 80 is that there are different grades, and you should find out which one you want. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci thank you so much will do !!!

Thanks Steve, I'll check it out. Take care, Bill

The Tissot Ballade is a good buy, Jarno. Enjoy it. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

As the French say, Ehren-- 'pas mal...' Take care, Bill

Hey Frisk, thanks for the tip about Raketa and the lower frequency watches and their reliability. Sort of the T-34 of watches. Take care, Bill

Hey Gothops, a good watch is a good watch whether it's COSC or not. None of FP Journe's are COSC, and they're pretty good. Take care, Bill

Peter, you got a great price on the Ballade! Usually, if there's an ETA based in a watch, most local watchmakers can handle it...check before sending it to a Tissot service center unless they have one in Australia. Take care, Bill

I have one and my watchmaker is totally capable of servicing it and get original spare parts if needed. He is licenced and went trough intensive training at Tissot's facility in Switzerland. It might be harder to find one there, across the ocean, but in general every watchmaker who can service an ETA can do a powermatic 80 with ease, its not rocket sience after all. The only issue is if the watchmaker is not licensed he/she wont be able to order original spare parts, so the only option then would be to get a chinese clone movement from aliexpress for about 100 usd and use it as a donor. Its not as bad as it sounds, since those chinese movements are quite amazing for what they actually are. Also - dont believe what people say about powermatic 80 in the forums, lots of false information is floating around.

Thanks John, there seem to be several versions of the Powermatic 80, and depending on which one you get, the movement has different features. Cheers, Bill

@@watchartsci sir do you think it's a matter of time for the "gentleman" to be COSC or it's not meant to be certified chronometer even though it has the PM80? Thanks

@@mouhrissani8588 In my opinion, the extra costs of the COSC may not be warranted: the PM80 has no regulator that can be hand-adjusted, but is done by a Tissot computer, and so it's probably going to do well without the COSC testing. FP Journe, with some of the best watches made, has never deigned to have any of his certified by COSC. Take care, Bill

Hi Peakrider... I suppose that the silicon hairsprings used in some may be a problem and the 3Hz frequency is not everyone's choice (it is mine, and so is 2.5Hz). Yes, some of the polymer parts would be at odds with high quality in traditional watchmaking ... I am surprised about the adjustable escapement. What exactly is adjustable on escapements? It is interesting. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci ah sorry, might be me getting my terminology wrong. I’m talking about the adjustment used in the regulation of the movement. I think the small lever that has a + and - on it adjusts the hairspring, am I right?, not the escapement.

@@peakrider4886 That's the regulator for adjusting using curb regulators. You cannot regulate (adjust) a free-sprung balance nor balances using silicon hair springs without making weight adjustments. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci that’s what I understood about all the Swatch Powermatic movements in Tissots and Hamilton and Certinas, etc. They are regulated at the factory, but any additional adjustments that may be required in the future, if the watch runs fast or slow, is by an adjustment of the weights on the balance wheel. Sounds a very fiddly job, but for anyone who says those Powermatic movements can’t be regulated, that’s wrong. They can, it’s just more tricky. And probably best done by an experienced watch repairer.

Excellent Mike!! You got a great deal! Congratulations! Cheers, Bill

Those Certinas are very cool Reza ... they're the COSC versions, no? Thanks, Bill

@@watchartsci I recently got the Certina Powermatic 80 Big date special edition (a mouthfull of a name). It's a beatiful watch with an understated design based on theyr watches from the 1960s. I love the watch and the movement! (It's not Chrono certified though. I don't know if they couldn't reach the certification or if they could but wanted to make the watch more affordable...)

Certina make good watches. I have two of their quartz offerings. Very robust, they can take a knock.

I have mine too the certina ds 38 but skeptic on the nylon or plastic movement tho

Thank you David..I will check them out. I am a Hamilton Khaki fan! Cheers, Bill

I have a Hamilton Khaki Field Expedition 37mm & accuracy is within +/-1s, without a COSC...

Indeed it is Jose, and they have one in green! Love green dials! Cheers, bill

Rass, that doesn't surprise me. Great movement. Take care, Bill

Hey InsideFire! It's a watch with lots of great features....that's more affordable than more expensive watches with fewer features! Cheers, Bill

Hi Mohamed, I don't know why not. The Lemania movements are excellent; so I wouldn't worry, but collectors will pay more for watches with the Geneva Seal. Take care, Bill

Thanks Paul, I'm glad I could help. Take care, Bill

Hey Chi-Town, I don't know that much about either the 6R or the 4R; but the movement in my Christiaan van der Klaauw is based on a Seiko 4L but runs at 4Hz (rats!). So, I need to learn more about the 6R and 4R. Cheers, Bill

That's a real beauty Redskins! What's the street price today?...when introduced in 2013, they were about $1,200 MSRP. Thanks, Bill

It's important that you get and wear what makes you happy with a watch, Spittin. Take care, Bill

Completely agree Neo

Neo If watch collectors don’t learn about what they collect they couldn’t possibly have a good collection. Take care Bill 😉

Most of the powermatic have plastic escapement...

@@erik_4125 Plastic or silicon? Check it out, Bill 😉

Yes, I did. What do you think Timothy? Cheers, Bill

@@watchartsci it's great. We need more people talking about movements and less people talking about resale prices and wait lists.

Nikhil, check out the Tissot Chronometer Powermatic 80 COSC. ( www.tissotwatches.com/en-us/t1084081605700.html ) That will give you a double horological premium in a 3Hz watch with a COSC chronometer rating. Take care and be safe, Bill😷 (You should be able to find a better deal for the same watch on the secondary market.)

Great to hear Wu Chin! Takecare, Bill

Alexis, Seiko movements are well engineered and thoughtful. Take care and be safe, Bill😷

One of the best deals around, Greg. Take care and be safe, Bill😷

John, Tissot was involved with Swatch and ETA in the modification and development of the Powermatic 80. There is a general size for most movements so that if someone develops a movement, it will fit in a certain size case. Take care, Bill

Robert, I didn't know there was a Powermatic 80 Mido ... I checked out the Mido Multifort, and for the price you get a great looking and running watch! Thanks for the tip! Bill

@@watchartsciyou didnt answer his question

@@relosapulso I had no answer... it may be one of those movements that require a replacement rather than a repair. Take care, Bill

⁠@@relosapulso I recently bought a Mido Chronometer Jubilee with the Powermatic 80 movement. It’s the one with the silicon hairspring. It’s +9 seconds per month. Btw, inquire with Swatch Group what the maintenance would be.

Indeed Mango! Take care, and be safe, Bill😷

Whoaaa Christopher! Was that on a Powermatic 80? Take care, Bill

I like both brands, but I'd probably go with the Frogman 41. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci thanks Bill!

Hi Michelle, I look at the 7750 like I look at the ETA-6497/98 ... a good solid movement. However, I'm the wrong person to ask since I do not care for chronographs ... except I wouldn't mind having a AgenGraphe-based movement in an HMC case. Take care, Bill

Thanks Sir, for your time and consideration to reply! I respect your taste, and I too usually end up buying a clean face with a day or day/date function. I got caught up in the amazing amount of complications for the amazing price, but have never pulled the trigger- because of the “busy” look. I do listen to advice, and read forums/threads, and I think I am going to pass on the Valjoux 7750 for that very reason. A watch should be simple enough on the dial to look down, an immediately know the time, without deciphering out distractions. I agree, and have paused looking at 7750 watches for the moment. I’m not a collector- I just wanted a good work watch(casual), and a “Date-Night” - more formal watch. Patience is a Virtue;) Hope you’re having an EXCELLENT weekend! Best Regard, -Kyle (Michelle’s KZfaq Pirating Husband)

@@Audrey-fu7bi Hey Kyle, I like at-a-glance; don't-make-me-think; simplicity-is-beauty kind of watches too. Take care, Bill

Hi Kenneth, I probably rely too much on the lower frequencies to indicate better movements, and since the Powermatic 80 lowered the frequency to increase the charge to 80 hours, it got my attention. You might be exactly right about getting more affordable watches for collectors and at the same time providing better movement. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

Egg, it depends of what resources are put into the movement compared to the price. The Powermatic 80 was developed between Swatch & Tissot, bringing the frequency down to 3Hz and extending the charge to 80 hours; so, not off-the-shelf exactly. For some, they pay a good deal for the marketing and very little for the product. Take care, Bill

WatchArtSci except that they are now using that movement across the Swatch group. That movement has become an off the shelf movement as it is now available in Tissot, Certina, Hamilton, and Rado watches. It may be an innovation, but it’s certainly not a unique item anymore...

Watz, you use the balance wheel weight screws-two on the balance wheel. To adjust the beat rate, you can adjust it with slight adjustments on the little arm on the balance shaft. (Video uses a screwdriver for both, but I'd use a peg wood stick or toothpick for the beat rate adjustment.) Here's a video that shows how to make adjustments on the Powermatic 80. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pbaWY5djqq_ddmQ.html Take care, Bill

How do you like it, O Bud? Take care and stay safe, Bill 😷

@@watchartsci Hi Bill, I really like it. A lot! But it’s a big boy; 44mm, case height 13.28mm Perfect watch for the 🏖

Check out this video Alpejon where I interviewed some top watchmakers whose watches are under 3Hz: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hL5pqbSDqMXMmGg.html Take care, Bill😷

@@watchartsci Awesome, thank you!

Kamil, the number of jewels reflects the number moving shafts. Jewels are used because of their hardness; so more jewels doesn't mean better-just more friction points. The rubies used are all man-made and aren't worth that much anyway-they're not precious stones. Take care and be safe, Bill😷

@@watchartsci Thank you Bill

No watch company should rest on its laurels nor allow its ADs to become overconfident ... lots of great watches out there Jeremy. Take care, Bill

Not that I know of Slanovich. Take care, Bill

Hi Adam, I quite worrying about "HH" except insofar as collectors found some aspect that demonstrated high horology like the Powermatic80. Sounds like you found a good buy. Cheers, Bill

AsIsaid IhaveNoIdea I think we need to look at the mechanical aspects and creativity... as can be found in Reversos.😉

Hi Pavlos, it might be some escapement parts to more fully reduce magnetization, but I doubt it would be the rotor. Take care, Bill

Moreshwar, I'm no fan of silicon in a mechanical watch even though it is a fully amagnetic element. Otherwise, silicon has been used in a number of HH watches and only a few bat an eye. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci Tissot argues that the silicon balance spring makes the watch more accurate because it does not react to magnetism and also requires less maintenance/need for lubrication. What do you think about this? Why aren't you a fan of silicon in a mechanical watch?

@@georgechau6800 If we need accuracy, we've got quartz and smart watches, and while a non-magnetic hairspring is a good thing for accuracy ... it's a step toward a more plasticized mechanical watch. Niobium/titanium hairsprings are non-magnetic as well and keep accurate . However, the Powermatic 80 is an innovative movement and would be an ideal office watch. Take care, Bill

@Chris No it's not a misunderstanding ... it's a choice I've made. Silicon is a metalloid; not a transition metal. I prefer the latter-from Titanium to Gold. Silicon springs cannot be adjusted by a watchmaker but only replaced, often at the factory. I know all of the non-magnetic and heat/cold advantages of silicon and the fact that Patek Philippe has silicon in its watches. I have nothing against them; they're just not a choice I'd take in traditional watchmaking. So enjoy your silicon balances and springs ... I'm sure they're more accurate than my traditional movements. Understand that I have nothing against silicon in watches, like the Powermatic 80 or even the Patek Philippe. Just not my cup of tea. Take care and be safe, Bill😷

Hi Neehal, I like that combination. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci Thank you!

Yes, Aries. The Mido calibre 80 is based on the ETA C07.821, which is the designation of the Powermatic 80. The Caliber 80 Si is so named because the 'Si' indicates 'silicon' ... which is why the Powermatic 80 is so accurate at 3Hz. Take care, Bill

The Certina DS-1 Big Date Powermatic 80 looks like an engineer's office watch...eye-catching features are the lugs-beautiful the way they gently but solidly curve around the wrist. The Certina DS PH200M is a surprise! It's a sports watch/diver that doesn't look a thing like the Submariner. I like the symmetry of the watch. Cheers, Bill

John, please research this question and let us know! Take care, Bill

They have some incredible deals David. A very cool movement in an affordable watch-looks like your figured out how to beat the system and get a great watch! What color did you get? Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

@@watchartsci The turquoise one, sea turtle special edition. Thanks for all the knowledge you share!

David Has Too Many Interests Great choice! A real beauty!

Jazz1ba, there's a lot of carbon fiber/ceraics. Used for their non-magnetic properties.. Maybe that's what it is? Take care, and don't worry about COSC...F.P. Journe never deigned to let them test his watches. Cheers, Bill

@@watchartsci I'm not worried about COSC, plastic is what worries me. :) Cheers from Bosnia.

@@jazz1basame here worried of the plastic parts as well

By "synthetic escapemen", do you mean 'silicon escapements, Engin? Let me know. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

@@watchartsci on watchbase we site you advised says movement code which has "C07.1XX; these have a synthetic escapement and C07.8XX; these have a silicon hair spring" for example T086.407.16.051.00 and T108.408.16.037.00 is quality same because same? movement only difference the part synthetic and escapement.

@@watchartsci ı mean as long as powermatic 80 is all models high horology ? or which is better ? because watch base says: C07.811 description 'Powermatic 80' movement with silicon balance spring. Within the Powermatic family of movement's there are -thus far- three different levels; C07.1XX; these have a synthetic escapement. C07.6XX; these have a regular escapement. C07.8XX; these have a silicon balance spring.

Dominick, it's time we re-think our own values in horology ... in part its the craftsmanship, but I don't think the finishing is the most important, and to a large extent that's what has happened. Cheers, Bill

It depends on the watch and how it's used, Alex. Take care, Bill

Hey Double U! The Powermatic 80 in a Tissot is a smooth movement but with silicon ...now a Tissot Heritage Petite Seconde with an ETA/Unitas 6498-1, ticks at a gentle 18,000 vph and is my choice! Old school, I know, but there it is. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci Always excited to hear your opinions on watches Bill! I only discovered your channel recently but its quickly become my favorite...

Hi Ian, yes it looks like Tissot and Certina are the current Powermatic 80 watches now. Check this out: watchbase.com/search#q=Powermatic%2080 Cheers, Bill

@@watchartsci That's some amount of work and research they've done at Watchbase. It looks like a great resource, thanks Bill. I wonder how easy it was to come by this sort of information before the Internet? I'm guessing it would have been speciality magazines/word of mouth.

Here you go Jedi: C07.1XX; these have a synthetic escapement. C07.6XX; these have a regular escapement. C07.8XX; these have a silicon hair spring. Take care, Bill

Hey Robert that's great to hear! The value of a watch is not how much you pay for it but how much you enjoy it. Sounds like you got a million dollar watch...Take care and be safe, Bill😷

Do u still wear it?

@@relosapulso yes. I have since moved to CONUS and have found out that in cold temperatures it is fast by 20-30sec a month, so it evens out. It is on a Marathon Italian rubber strap now. Really happy with the performance.

@@robertm8401 wow even in cold still perfect accuracy been skeptic about the plastic or nylon movements tho is it really true? I know for sure that the spring in that piece is titanium for hot and cold temp

@@relosapulso they have a bit of plastic on the earlier ones like mine but I think the newer ones don't, but I'm not sure. There seem to be no issues with the early ones, it seems. The later ones have the Nivachron spring, those are antimagmetic.

I knew other watches used the Powermatic 80 but I didn’t realize Mido did. Thanks 😊 Bill

Just get a Tissot Heritage Petite Seconde - no plastic; no silicon; great price. Take care, Bill

Good buy Robert, and you're absolutely right! Take care, Bill

Hi Sina, the Powermatic 80 does not have an ETAChron regulator like most ETA movements. They are laser-regulated at the factory, but you can regulate them by turning the screws on the balance spoke (arm). Unless your Powermatic 80 is way off, I wouldn't mess with it, but if you do need to adjust it, do so without moving the balance and use a minimal pressure on the screws...turning them ever so slightly. Take care and be safe, Bill😷

@L'orologeria è finita No they do not use lower frequencies for smaller barrels. Where did you get that idea from? It sounds like a guess. Here's is a video you need to see where they were actually asked why the lower Hertz fequency: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hL5pqbSDqMXMmGg.html Now what did they say? I would like to see a reference to your claim since it doesn't sound like anything a top tier watchmaker would say. Take care, Bill

​@@watchartsci Hi Bill, the reference of my claim is your video it self. Almost all of them have said the reason of the lower frequency is to improve the power reserve. What I'm saying is to avoid to increase the barrel. Those two elements are part of the same equation.

@@lorologeriaefinita8295 Yes, they did mention a longer charge, and some, a bigger balance (Kari Voutilainen); so now I understand your comment, though I do not recall any of them saying a goal was smaller barrels, though certainly an added advantage. (I think any reduction in barrel size is epiphenomenal, but it could be one taken into consideration for the other features of the movement.) One of the reasons I found most interesting was that "you could see the movement better with a slower frequency"- pride in craftsmanship. Kindest regards, Bill

I never discount the quality and creativity of Seiko movements, OT, but I do like the Powermatic 80. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci True Bill. No one should discount Seiko altogether. I purchased a pre- Powermatic Tissot PRS 516. The watch is fine, but alas, rather large and heavy for my flimsy wrist. All the best.

Kabel, I believe they make different versions, some without the plastic. Take care, Bill

Hi Chi, I honestly do not know, but you can be the researcher to help us all find out! Kindest regards, Bill

Chi Auyeung yes they are the powermatic 80 movement.

I think they are, I had a Hamilton but I sold it because I like to watch a smoother second hand. It’s a great watch but it’s not smooth like I like it , reminds me of the seiko movements.

Hi Babylon, the Swatch Systems 51 cannot be serviced, but the Powermatic 80 can. Here's one of several videos showing how: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zq-WmN2SsNWslKc.html Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

Hello, any certified ETA watchmaker can easily service a Powermatic 80 movement. It doesn’t have a regulator screw but there are other ways to regulate the watch when serviced. My Tissot with a PM80 was serviced and regulated by Shami Fine watchmaking in Fairfield NJ they are true watchmakers not just jewelers and my watch no runs consistently +2.

@@michaelriera6277 Thanks for that info! I always prefer to have service done locally: it's cheaper and quicker. Good to hear that about the Powermatic 80. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

I undersood that C07.111 has 23 jewles and some plastic parts and isn’t fully servicable by indys, while C07.611 is 25 jewels and all metal parts. Can someone tell is it C07.111 fully servicable? Thank you. P.S bought Le Locle with 23 jewels, beauty 😊

Hi Reverso-Man! I'll take a hand made, highly accurate watch by Richard Habring any day over most any watch! Not too concerned with Manufacturer's Definition of HH ... we can have a Collector's Definition! Cheers, Bill

Well Mr. Moser, start saving and you should be able to get one around 10k or so. Good hunting! Bill

Richard, I think we need to stop letting the (Richemont-sponsored) Fondation de la Haute Horlogerie tell us what we should want. Not a car analogy. It's like when you stop letting your mother dress you and develop your own style. We need our own style. Cheers, Bill

Hi Mario. I'm a big fan of the Tissot Heritage Petite Seconde-with a nice big Unitas/ETA 6498 movement-one of the best buys around. They're very reasonably priced, and I think they're fine. Here's a great deal on one: www.ashford.com/tissot-t1194051603701.html?source=370000001&CAWELAID=120016340000055508&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-K2MBhC-ARIsAMtLKRv_EBAKHOhflFxXd9cMYX95DCi4qulwkCxYo-cEUPgdE5EM43rWv9AaAn0fEALw_wcB Brand new and with an additional 11% off. What's not to like? Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci Thanks I just looked at the website

Tippy, by the current definition of HH; no. That's why we need to re-think HH. Take care, bill

High horology should take in context mechanical chronograph and their complications. The 7753 is an offspring of the 7750, these movement are very robust and reliable , is high horology defined by the case the watch is built in? If it’s made out of gold or silver? Food for thought!

Hey Jim, the Tissot story is an interesting one. At one time Tissot and Omega were under the same "roof...so to speak." They decided that Tissot would be the "affordable" watch and Omega would be the "quality" watch. Along the way, a lot happened. Omega got the co-axial (George Daniels) escapement, and Omega landed on the moon. So this gave Tissot a little more room to up its game, and I think they have. Keep in mind that both Tissot and Omega are under the Swatch umbrella, and ultimately, Swatch calls the shots. When they first came up with the Powermatic 80 idea, the Swatch people and Tissot people worked together to develop a Tissot for the watch-not just dropping the movement in a Tissot case. One of my favorite watches is my Harry Winston Premier Bi-retrograde... also owned by Swatch. A lot of collectors won't touch a Harry Winston with a ten-foot pole thinking it a "jewelry watch" and not a real watch. To a great extent that's exactly true because HW has no HW-manufactured caliber. In my watch is a Girard-Perregaux movement with a retrograde device made by Agenhor. So, I really have a watch with a HW-case and a GP movement with a retrograde module by Jean-Marc Wiederrecht. That would be the same way I'd look at the Tissot with the Powermatic 80. No one (except jewelry nuts) will get excited about a Harry Winston watch; but a module by Agenhor... that's an altogether different story! Cheers, Bill

Rats! Mark...I was getting excited about having a Tissot! Cheers, Bill

Yes Milstb, watches with the Powermatic 80 loaded with silicon are fabulously accurate without the extra cost of a COSC test. Take care, Bill

Decon, you may not want to visit the back alleys I've been to. Stick with your AD in a brightly lit showroom ... and love the full price. Cheers, Bill

Jeremy, all of the "haute" adjective items were not any less generated for marketing purposes than "Haute Horlogerie." To revive the meaning of Haute Horlogerie is to move the substance to the most substantive aspects of a watch-its movement. I've considered Horlogerie intéressante (interesting horology), but that may be an even more elusive term than HH. As for analogies ... let's drop the car analogies, and consider setting your own course. When you were young, your mother dressed you, but at some point you decided you wanted your own style. This is what I am proposing-quit letting Fondation de la Haute Horlogerie tell us what we should want and decide for ourselves. Further, I think we should be more inclusive, and something like the Powermatic 80 may help us do that. Take care, Bill

Hi 1SaG ... you mention a "jerkier 3Hz" ... Isn't it interesting that all the top watchmakers use 3Hz or less frequencies. I guess they need to talk to you. In the meantime, I suggest you get your 4Hz mechanical watch ... they're the most common and mass produced. If you're at all interested in what top tier watchmakers use, check this out. : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hL5pqbSDqMXMmGg.html Take care, Bill

Hi Blogo, good question. The regulation on on a Powermatic 80.111 (and other C07-based movements) is not in the tension of the hairspring but in two weights on the balance wheel. The free sprung balance wheels cannot be regulated without some knowledge of how the balance weights are adjusted. Those on the Powermatic 80 are adjusted at the factory with a computer getting the balance just right. Take care, Bill

@@watchartsci But I could not adjust those weights at all? Thank you for your response! It would be frustrating for me to learn that this is not adjustable by me. I would think of it as a kind of mechanical version of a quartz watch - highly accurate, but for me, untouchable (if that makes sense)

@@BlogofTheW3st with a screwdriver you could physically adjust the weights ... but you'd need the knowledge and skills to get it right. If you want a great watch that is very affordable that you can adjust; check out the Tissot Heritage Petite Seconds ( www.ashford.com/tissot-t1194051603700.html?source=370000001&CAWELAID=120016340000055508&gclid=Cj0KCQjwkqSlBhDaARIsAFJANkic-cVXL2CkdYEPHhUAMGLVTTnnVBc0f_Fn6APLljPRYv-thl9IEGMaAoerEALw_wcB ) It has an ETA 6498-1 that runs at 18,000 so/hr. With the slower frequency not only can you see the movement elements in motion, your service visits will be less. Take care, Bill

Hey Fractal, mechanical watches are not for those with OCD. Get a smart watch wired into an atomic clock. However, I do like Steinhart because, they tell you what you're buying, and an ETA 2893-2 (3Hz, no?) élaboré probably is as good as you'd want for a mechanical. Take care, Bill

I would agree high horology doesn't only mean great movements.

Hi NSsomething ... I guess the point is to challenge the definition of HH. We need to do that. Early live stream on Saturday! Cheers, Bill

I'm afraid not....Take care, Bill