Chevy 454 Vs. Ford 460 Throwdown - Horsepower S13, E13

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4 жыл бұрын

On this episode of Horsepower, it's Chevy vs. Ford in a horsepower battle of the big blocks!
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
ARP: Head bolt kit, Intake Manifold bolt kit, Mains bolt kit
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Cometic Gasket, Inc.: Head gaskets, Intake gaskets, Valve cover gaskets, Timing cover gasket, Water outlet, Water pump, Oil Pan gasket.
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Comp Cams: Valve spring set, Titanium retainers, Spring seats.
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Eagle Specialty Products: Forged steel crankshaft and connecting rods.
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Holley: 750 cfm Mechanical Secondary four barrel carburetor.
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Lunati: 3/8" Pushrods (8) 8.60, (8) 9.70
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Lunati: Street Strip Solid Roller Cam - Chevrolet Big Block Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 287/295Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 256/264Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .660/.660LSA/ICL: 110/104Valve Lash (Int/Exh): .022/.024RPM Range: 3000-7000., Vertical Bar Roller Lifters - BBC +0.300 Qty 16. Full Roller Timing Set w/Torrington - Chevrolet 396-454 9 keyway. Roller Thrust Button.
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Lunati: Voodoo Roller Rockers - Chevrolet (396-454) 1.7 ratio 7/16 stud mount.
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Pertronix: Billet distributor with Ignitor III pickup module.
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Pioneer Inc.: Stock harmonic balancer
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Racing Head Service: Pro Action 24" Big Block Chevy Cylinder Head; Cast Iron Or Aluminum; Bare Or Fully Assembled; Hydraulic Roller & Mechanical Roller Assemblies Available; Angle Plug.
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Summit Racing: Melling high volume oil pump
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Trans-Dapt: Street Performance Oil Pan for Big Block Chevy includes oil pump pickup.
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World Products: MERLIN manifold, 4150 flange, 9.800" deck.
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Bar's Products Inc.: Bar's Leaks Head Gasket Repair.
Design Engineering, Inc. (DEI): Titanium Wrap with LR Technology, Stainless Steel Locking Ties, HT Silicone Coating.
Huntsville Engine and Performance: align hone block and install new bearings and rings
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Accessory Belt
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Cam Button
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Connecting Rod Bearings, Cam bearings, Main Bearing set
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Castrol GTX 10W-30 (7)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Castrol GTX (7) 10W30
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Hex Plug (6)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Head Gasket
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Intake Gaskets
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Header Gasket
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Rear Main Seal, Oil Pan Gasket
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Full Set, Head Gaskets (2)
O'Reilly Auto Parts: 3/16" Roll Pin
O'Reilly Auto Parts: 3" Exhaust Clamps
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Cam Lock Plate
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Castrol 10W30 (7), Nitrile gloves
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Rear Main Seal
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Chrome Valve Covers
TurnPro: The T-14 is TurnPro's innovative "lightweight" glove, The Magnetic Finger is TurnPro's original patent pending finger glove.
United Engine and Machine Company/Icon Pistons: Closed chamber .290" hollow dome, centered pin forged pistons and file-fit ring set.

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@PowerNationTV 4 жыл бұрын

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@jamiemuncy2219 4 жыл бұрын

PowerNation that’s a totally a in fair comparison. You used two totally different cams and you used a better crank, rod, and piston setup on the Chevy. I think you should use the same exact heads on both same valves same piston and so forth.

@JadXtreme 4 жыл бұрын

Love the channel. Chevy LS guy all the way but I love anything that makes good power!

@FortyTwoAnswerToEverything 4 жыл бұрын

My dream is to turbo and 4L80 swap my 2003 Envoy 5.3, while keeping it a sleeper.

@InuranusBrokoff 4 жыл бұрын

I've got an 83 gmc c1500 that is getting either a Ford 289 or a 340 mopar. Got nothing against chevy motors, but I want something different, plus those are the two engines I have laying around.

@InuranusBrokoff 4 жыл бұрын

@@JadXtreme Same. I don't discriminate. Too much good stuff to be stuck on a single platform.

@jessemurray1757 4 жыл бұрын

LMAO, whenever I watch Joe install a cam I anticipate the cam bearing being smashed to bits and he never disappoints.

@sokodad 4 жыл бұрын

I’m a Chevy guy with a big block Chevelle in the garage but feel they didn’t massage the 460 like they did the 454. The Ford had more they could’ve gotten out of it.

@kurtwimberly7901 4 жыл бұрын

sokodad Totally agree! I’m a car guy. I love both but they did show Chevy a little more love. That 460 has more but they didn’t really push it

@N8Fusion 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been a 429/460 guy for years and that made me cringe when he said they basically did the same to both. However, the whole reason I switched to the 460 was those big canted valves and large ports. I told my Chevy guy friends, “it’s the only bb Ford that comes close in design to that killer bb Chevy that you guys got!” Lunati also has a great 6000+ cam for the Ford, but still it was good to see them both built (except for the cam install... yikes).

@kurtwimberly7901 4 жыл бұрын

Diesel And Dust lol I know right beat it to death

@zettle2345 4 жыл бұрын

Nice car sokodad, personally I like the 400 small block in a chevelle. Just because I like the lighter front end weight. What can I say, I put a 300ci six banger in my 82 mustang, mainly because I was too cheap to buy a complete new front end. It came from the factory with a 200ci six banger, sticking with a six banger was way easier than changing to a 5.0L. ahahaha

@vengeance187 4 жыл бұрын

They didn't even try with the Ford. You can get 780hp out of the Ford stroked to 532 for $9k total, including the cost of the junkyard engine.

@jaymziebonnatonna80 3 жыл бұрын

Watching the guy hamfist jam that cam into the bearings made me wince.

@xxhyjynxx5939 3 жыл бұрын

5:05 Made me want to cry... I’d be sweatier than the head of the Bomb Squad, treating those bearings as careful as a nuke.. lmao!

@byronnlangley 4 жыл бұрын

I’m a Mopar guy but I feel the 454 got a little more love than the 460.

@donjohnson8627 4 жыл бұрын

OK, MOPAR guy---You know what MOPAR stands for? I'll bet NOT.

@kennyhuber4393 4 жыл бұрын

Don Johnson It did though. 320 com heads compared to 290s? Also race spec pistons rods, cam, pushrods, lifters, springs? THe 460 got street heads and a polished crank 😬😂

@fordmanx3 4 жыл бұрын

Gm always wins out of favoritism

@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992 4 жыл бұрын

@@donjohnson8627 MOtor PARts. Dunno why, my slant six is at 400k miles without ever being taken apart and runs just fine

@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992 4 жыл бұрын

@@fordmanx3 until you hook it to one of their transmissions

@bdonred 4 жыл бұрын

I'm not a Ford or a Chevy guy, but I can tell which way these guys are biased. One side got a lot more attention than the other.

@imanutnur7 4 жыл бұрын

No s--t!

@raredanceclassics 4 жыл бұрын

@@JT-yz4rj you sound confused. Ford didn't make the IROC-Z Camaro, tell your mullet wearing cousin he ain't impressing your sister with those leaky T-Tops.

@raredanceclassics 4 жыл бұрын

@@JT-yz4rj the IROC-Z, C4 corvette, 90s camaros/trans-ams, none of that junk was first in anything other than signaling the king of the trailer park lmao.

@raredanceclassics 4 жыл бұрын

@@JT-yz4rj let me guess...is it the one that took that Government bailout in the early 00s? Tell me...what was the only American car manufacturer that didn't take your tax payer dollars to stay afloat? I'll give you a hint...they didn't make the IROC-Z Camaro lmao.

@CoyoteFTW 4 жыл бұрын

JT 5150 - ThE sIlvEraDo iS thE saMe garbage As tHe sIErRa. You gotta love when these garbage motors loving hicks have to combine sales from two trucks to BARELY edge out ONE F-150! Truth is best selling trucks for over 40 years are the F-series boomer!

@ghunt81 4 жыл бұрын

I like how the Ford's "high performance build" is heads, intake and a cam while the Chevy's "high performance build" is a complete top to bottom build from a bare block with aftermarket parts.

@alejandroflores-samaniego9320 4 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget ford had more torque 👍🏽💪🏽

@poncoolride 4 жыл бұрын

The bottom end doesnt matter.

@InuranusBrokoff 4 жыл бұрын

@@poncoolride friction/parasitic loss, balancing, ability to withstand power. Yes, the bottom end matters.

@fwh79FOXR6 4 жыл бұрын

@Alpha Wërks The Ford is TOO expensive... you may want to reconsider using the term "dumbass" the next time you make a comment.

@juniorthird7952 4 жыл бұрын

@@alejandroflores-samaniego9320 don't forget Ford has more cubic inches.

@Glewisme 4 жыл бұрын

Your choice in cylinder heads automatically favored the Chevrolet

@bluecollardaily2676 3 жыл бұрын

Those were shit heads for BBC, AFR 265 or 300cc would outperform them all around and get the torque advantage back

@SealofPerfection 3 жыл бұрын

No it didn't. The heads for the Chevy were really too big for what they were doing with it. It would have been better off with similar heads to what the Ford had.

@taylorgtrotter 3 жыл бұрын

No one wants to talk about the ford head choice and how those hamstringed the ford combo to keep it close

@gordocarbo 7 ай бұрын

THey were too big for the chevy..the fords 290 was more correct

@robertclymer6948 4 жыл бұрын

Come on you guys!!! You gave the Chevy 454 much more love with those parts! We know where your loyalty ls.

@robertclymer6948 3 жыл бұрын

@@bigboreracing356 Then please tell me all about the trick flow top end kit, minus the racing heads, KV raised doom pistons, Eagle Rods, ESP balanced crank, HP valve train & top end kit. What did the 460 get? We don't know, do we.

@robertclymer6948 3 жыл бұрын

@@bigboreracing356 WOW you really know your stuff Stretch. Now I know what your first comment means. Good observation sir. You must have known some peeps that used that junk huh? Thanks for the comment, I am impressed with you knowledge sir. Cheers from Motown! Oh, where do you race out of Stretch?

@pdbnc 4 жыл бұрын

Is there anything more painful than watching these guys bang a cam around as they put it into the block?

@loganshuler3655 4 жыл бұрын

pdbnc shut the fuck up lmao thats how it is when you don’t use a tool to hold the cam

@FreddyFunderbunz 4 жыл бұрын

Looked dry af,too

@1967davethewave 4 жыл бұрын

Am I the only engine builder who puts the cam in before the crank so I can guide it in through the bearings without damaging them?

@Highstranger951 4 жыл бұрын

Logan Shuler he did use a cam tool to beat the bearings out of the block. Why are you so butthurt?

@danmallery9142 4 жыл бұрын

I know man, that sound made my butt clench.

@jasonwheeler8996 4 жыл бұрын

PowerNation, we'll take this 200,000 mile 1.9 out of a 88 escort and put it against a blown 454 to see who’s the king on the Dyno.

@hawkboy1792 4 жыл бұрын

LOL

@nefishingnhunt 4 жыл бұрын

AWESOME !!! That's about right ….LOL

@clintlewis1719 4 жыл бұрын

Bahahahaha

@michaelgelinas6843 4 жыл бұрын

Woah dont do that that might fair you better pull two plugs out of that 1.9 would hate to have an upset.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@ryanducharme7505 4 жыл бұрын

That's the show exactly LOL.

@428cjbud 4 жыл бұрын

The thing I can immediately see is that the Chevy has a cylinder head advantage. They didn't mention camshaft profiles, so I don't know about that. This is anything but an apples to apples comparison. John Kasse did a comparison build and the Ford came out well ahead of the Chevy.

@josephavila5750 2 жыл бұрын

Yes he did and he proved when its apples for apples the Ford has more HP and Torque.

@heavymetalcreationz711 3 жыл бұрын

The 454 definitely got some extra love over the 460. The Ford carried more torque, even with the smaller heads.

@johngoodman7160 Жыл бұрын

I have 225 value in my 460 scj heads

@caseywest5278 4 жыл бұрын

I was gonna mention all the extra parts and upgraded parts that the 460 didn’t get but I see the comments already cover that! As long as it’s American I’m cool with either but make it fair, the ford should have gotten everything the Chevy did

@Freekniggers 4 жыл бұрын

Powernation: no comment.

@TheMattc999 4 жыл бұрын

Casey West yeah, they can't do that, then the Ford might win, and god knows we can't have that. They did a "budget build-off" between an ls3 and a coyote- got all kinds of aftermarket parts for the ls- bigger cam, higher compression pistons, etc, when for the coyote they took out the mustang's forged crank and replaced it with a cast crank from a truck block, swapped out the mustang cams and swapped them for the truck cams and then called the ls the winner. They literally built the coyote to make less hp than it did stock out of the mustang it originally came out of. Wtf kind of joke is that, you call that an equal comparison? Give me a fkn break. Build a 454 and a 460 with evenly matched parts and do the same with an ls3 and a coyote and see what happens (btw I'm not a Ford guy, but if you're going to do a comparison between built motors, build them similarly so we can see what is actually capable of what).

@manintights2 4 жыл бұрын

@@TheMattc999 Same, It's a shame. I love to watch these guys too.

@jonruger 4 жыл бұрын

Casey West the parts either don’t exist or are to expensive for the budget is why. Because not enough ford people spend money on speed parts supply and demand has made it so a lot of companies don’t even sell ford speed parts or if they do they are way more expensive.

@danielparker466 4 жыл бұрын

Amen

@billiondollardan 4 жыл бұрын

I'd take the Ford over the Chevy based on that dyno curve. Low end HP and torque are way better than the Chevy

@TecniclyAwsm 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao, All things considered that 460 whipped that 454s ass.

@RyanBenbow Ай бұрын

In a demolition derby the Ford will lose The same way it has in my derby car That's why I use Chevy engine in My Ford crown Victoria

@peterkay2406 4 жыл бұрын

This comparison is ridiculous, you built a Chevy mild race engine, compared to a street Ford engine... Give me a break

@glastornjet73 4 жыл бұрын

Because a crankshaft adds power 🤦🏼‍♂️ idiot

@dre04mach 4 жыл бұрын

@@glastornjet73 Not the crank... but the bigger ports will make a huuuge difference.

@glastornjet73 4 жыл бұрын

dre04mach the rpm they are turning it no they wont

@dre04mach 4 жыл бұрын

@@glastornjet73 if they stopped the pull 400-500 rpm sooner, they would have made the same or less with the chevy... With a better flowing head.

@peterkay2406 4 жыл бұрын

@@bigboreracing356 it's not the idea of these being only 20hp more or less, it's what they used on the Ford vs. the Chevy and try to say it was a fair comparison, how about make it fair with the parts then show how much more powerful the big Ford is compared to their charming little Chevy

@jasonwheeler8996 4 жыл бұрын

Just once I would like a 100% even build...

@AmericanThunder 4 жыл бұрын

At a local car show, years ago, there was a GM guy running his mouth about how the "tree fitty" chevy engine was the best thing ever created by man, and how the 302 Ford sucked. I happened to have my little Mustang II there, with a temperary 302 in it, that I had thrown together using some mix matched parts I'd had laying around. I cut the valve reliefs in some shitty badger pistons using an old valve that I'd cut a slot in, and brazed a cutting edge into, then used a hand drill with it to "machine" the reliefs. lol I didn't balance anything, I just threw it together with some new bearings, polished the journals with cloth, etc. CC solid lifter cam, 351W ported heads, performer intake, 600 holley, done. I lovingly referred to it as my grenade engine, and I would frequently tach it to 7500 rpm on a daily basis. So I told the guy at the show, let's get in our cars, put it in neutral, and hold the tach at 7500 for 2 mins and see if they hold together. He said no fuckin way would I do that. So I got in my car and did it anyway, smiling at him the whole time. After 2 mins, I let it idle again, the motor was fine, still had 60 psi oil pressure, no issues. The Chevy guy had nothing to say, he just turned and walked off. Stock rods, crank, shitty hand cut pistons, etc, lol and it worked great. I ended up running that grenade 302 for 3 years until I got around to building the new race engine for it. I would challenge anyone with a stock 2-bolt 350 shortblock to give it a shot and see how it holds together at 7500 in neutral for 2 minutes. lol

@cesar9496 4 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanThunder my guy!

@GaryFlymore 4 жыл бұрын

CHEVY KICKS FORD ASS AGAIN***** LMAO U FORD LOVER!

@peterdarr383 4 жыл бұрын

@@AmericanThunder - - To be fair you'd need the 302 Chevy with its 3 inch stroke and rods made back in the '60's when America had pride, and top it off with 350 "truck" heads from the '70's with their large 76CC chambers and small valves. . . THAT would hold up at 7,500 and be limited just by valve float.

@AmericanThunder 4 жыл бұрын

@@peterdarr383 I was using a 302 block that was a 1983 that had a one-piece rear seal and no provision for an oil Slinger on the back of the crank so I used the hand grinder and removed the oil Slinger that was on the 1978 cast crankshaft, stock Rods, stock bolts shit Pistons.. a 302 Chevy I would imagine would have forged internals because it was a Performance Engine. Plus the guy at the car show was bragging about 350s and how they'll never come apart at high RPM and how much better they are than a 302 Ford. I'm running a 332 stroker in the car now and I shift at 8800, while the internals are certainly forged the block is still stock 1975 2 bolt Main holding up with 530 horsepower they're a good little engine

@Niterider73 4 жыл бұрын

The only thing that's remotely close as far as an even build with these engines, is the fact they used that same Holley 1000cfm.

@LanceisLawson 4 жыл бұрын

That was the ruse. To make it seem they were being ultra fair. This comparison is a joke.

@47mossie 4 жыл бұрын

@@LanceisLawson I'm with you, a joke!

@joepersad219 4 жыл бұрын

And banged up cam bearings of course

@geauxtigers2911 4 жыл бұрын

You guys Don't know anything about engine building do you? The bigger combustion chamber on the heads for the Chevy lowers compression ratio which lowers horse power. That's the reason Mopar guys would put 318 heads on their 360.

@47mossie 4 жыл бұрын

@@geauxtigers2911 Domed pistons in the chevy to make up the difference

@countryprepper4719 4 жыл бұрын

For this budget 460 we used the cheapest parts and pistons we could find. This 454 we used aluminum pistons lol😂

@edwinstorz2776 4 жыл бұрын

So Ford gets a set of Heads and a Cam, turning 600 hp. Chevy, a whole set of upgrades, Heads, Cam, Crank, Pistons............who's sponsoring this Video? CHEVY!

@opossom1968 4 жыл бұрын

not even close, i was hoping for a even comparison, you guys stacked the deck, i do not care which won, i was looking forward to a even playing field, didn't come close. Engine Masters did this with very close results and they did it with the same parts on each engine.

@Crossthe_line 4 жыл бұрын

I understand the reasoning behind swapping pistons in the 454 to get the compression to match the 460. Seems the Ford has already won since everyone claims they're so expensive to build yet will hold more power on stock components. I like both engines but clearly the Ford was cheaper and only behind by 21hp.

@jonathanberry8255 4 жыл бұрын

These guys are clear chevy guys, they did more for the 454

@joumasepoes88 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but it only made 11 more up than the mild 460 build.

@Im1CrazyCow 4 жыл бұрын

I own 21 classic cars and I have NO Favorite Brand......I am car Lover and mostly Muscle cars from my T birds to Corvette, Lincolns to Chevelle , Barracuda to Pontiac Catalina... But the Bias in the Engine Build was SO Blatant I am confused was this a TRUE test of Fairness or Some one who THINKS it was TRUE but has a Chevrolet Tatoo on their arm Because I am confused, From the Heads alone (wow really Fair???) to the Intake, the Pistons where NO where NEAR EVEN if those who dont know about engine Building and why you Build a certain way for different applications & I dont mean TV show Builds.... "I mean REAL World & Drag Or Track ......I have built and hold a few records for Motors ON land and Water and I was Confused at why the Favoritism leaned so hard in one direction when you are claiming this is an even Comparison?!?! This misleading & confusing narrative right here is why you get Fanatical Owners of 1 Brand or Another Screaming or Hating on others Because you are skewing the Facts in 1 Brand or the others Favor & Sadly it hurts All True Purist Car Guys Like Myself!! IF YOU CANT DO IT 100% FAIRLY, THEN PLEASE DO NOT DO IT AT ALL !!!!!! Cow}:-o)

@chrisbaker2903 3 жыл бұрын

This is why I quit watching their TV show a long time ago.

@jeffyates4813 2 жыл бұрын

Elmore has bowties tattooed on the inside of hi eyelids…

@ronaldatwell1574 4 жыл бұрын

21 more hp with bigger heads, more aggressive cam, better pistons and rods, and a balanced rotating assembly. Chevy needs all that to make 21 more hp. why can't you guys do everything the same. o yeah and Chevy needs a new crank to hold more hp

@11secghia 4 жыл бұрын

@@nickfoy5413 not anymore due to cnc machining if you add in the cost of replacing the stock cast 454 crank ford and dodge might even be cheaper plus they can go WAY bigger with a stroker

@kyboy5 4 жыл бұрын

you mad lmao ford sucks

@amordeweso 4 жыл бұрын

Ronald Atwell Chevy made 30+ more stock what’s the excuse there ?

@94XJ 4 жыл бұрын

@@hunter23453 Pretty equal budgets for building these two engines, actually. That's why the chevy got more stuff...big block chevy's are way cheaper to build.

@BigRig003 4 жыл бұрын

@@kyboy5 I disagree, ever see a 454 pull or even stand a chance against a 12v Cummins? Ford 460 has.

@connormackeen8136 4 жыл бұрын

the 460 had dished pistons and the 454 had pop ups like the Chevy had way better parts. i have a built 460 with flat tops and trick flow heads and it has just a few better parts than the 454 and it makes 700.

@Not_Sure_81 4 жыл бұрын

And there was a near 40cc difference in combustion chamber volume. Your point?

@GeoffInfield 4 жыл бұрын

Yup. This channel is all about advertising oil. They literally do not give a flying fuck about us, they don't understand us, they just make a video that we will hate and give it a title we can't resist and KACHING!!! It's all about views. I dunno about you but I'm NEVER coming back. They aren't just arseholes, they aren't just deceitful arseholes, they're INCOMPETENT deceitful arseholes. That's the trifecta. Peace out.

@rivercityracer3683 4 жыл бұрын

@@Not_Sure_81 differences in the pistons between the two mean that they had the same compression ratio though. The chevy heads flowed way better in this comparison though.

@staywhite6332 4 жыл бұрын

#chevycheaters

@ldnwholesale8552 4 жыл бұрын

Errrr, a dish top piston is possible higher comp than a flat top which will be further down the hole+ less comp. That is the case on many engines. It is the whole package. And those lumpy pistons may well put the fire out! A smaller chamber with a tall flat top is better, even with the valve reliefs, on one side only.

@jestucker2268 4 жыл бұрын

that 460 will out torque the 454 all day long... of course, as others stated, this isn't an even build, the Chevy got all sorts of bonus parts that the Ford didn't.

@only1true540 4 жыл бұрын

jestucker shouts out to ford guys 👍🏿

@zerotwo6409 4 жыл бұрын

454 ls6 makes 500lb of torque i have yet to see a gas ford beat that even by modern standards

@the_car_guy5915 4 жыл бұрын

@@zerotwo6409 You are as the first word in your username states.

@zerotwo6409 4 жыл бұрын

Aidan Morris is that supposed to be an insult

@jimhodge8594 4 жыл бұрын

For it to be equal, install a eagle rotating kit in the Ford also with the same specs as the Chevy had installed, then see what happens

@rodneydukes7616 8 ай бұрын

What will happen?

@joshblumenstetter1056 4 жыл бұрын

How can you call this a fair comparison when the heads that you used on the Chevy were MUCH better than the heads you installed on the Ford plus all the other stuff you did to the Chevy that the Ford didn't get

@jonruger 4 жыл бұрын

Because the parts are insanely expensive or don’t exist for a 460.

@nealedmondson3191 4 жыл бұрын

@Chris J is that all you know how to say? Grow the fuck up.

@loganh2876 4 жыл бұрын

@@nealedmondson3191 lol mad much?

@mikesamra9126 4 жыл бұрын

@shekels steinbergmancohenski No they weren't. The Ford 460 was used in all three divisions of Ford where the 454 was only used at Chevrolet. Most people that bought BB GM engines got them in olds, Pontiac, and Buick which was the 455. Almost every Lincoln had a 460 all thru the 70s and every Grand Marquis as well as big trucks. Now the 455 sold very well but most people that bought Chevies bought the small block 350. Now when GM bought Mercruiser, that's when the sale of the 502 BB took off in sales but this was in the 80s and 90s.

@dukelps9132 4 жыл бұрын

They used a cylinder head on the 454 that had 320cc intake runners. The 460 had 290cc intake runners. Had they been equal the Ford would have made more hp. They used the stock ultra heavy crank for the Ford. They bought a high dollar lighter weight crank for the Chevrolet. Got to restrict a Ford motor to keep the Chevrolets competitive. Been drag racing or either had a street car for almost 30 years. Got to spend more money on a Chevrolet to get the same power as a Ford. The Chevrolet LS has drsstically improved on that problem, but older sbc vs. sbf, or bbc vs. bbf, Ford makes more power per dollar in a big way.

@BamaShinesDistillery 4 жыл бұрын

Ive always found the opposite....Chevys were cheap power. but part for part the Ford put out more.....Ford parts always cost more than the same for a Chevy

@dukelps9132 4 жыл бұрын

@@BamaShinesDistillery Chevrolet parts are generally cheaper, but Chevrolets require far more parts. This is especially true when it comes to comparing sbf vs. sbc. The sbf cylinder heads have far more efficient designs. 20 degree valve angle vs. 23 degree for the sbc. The sbf combustion chambers have better quench design vs. the sbc. The sbf 351 cleveland head is FAR superior to the sbc with 10 degree valve angles. My 351 cleveland 4 barrel heads flowed almost 300 cfm through the intake at .500 lift. A refurbished pair would cost around $1200 complete with quality valves and other hardward. There is no stock sbc head that even comes close, and the aftermarket sbc equivalent would cost well over $2000, and at least another $500 for the intake since a conventional most likely would not work.

@BamaShinesDistillery 4 жыл бұрын

@@dukelps9132 that's funny, I am right in the middle of rebuilding a Cleveland Cobra jet. But the Cleveland was a one-off, you would have to compare a small block Chevy to a 351 Windsor. Cleveland are not all that common today and Windsor's are everywhere

@dukelps9132 4 жыл бұрын

@@BamaShinesDistillery even the windsor cylinder heads are better than the lower end aftermarket sbc heads. The 20 degree valve angle is a decent advantage over the typical 23 degree sbc heads. The only slight problem with production windsor heads is the exhaust port. However, any amateur with a Harbor Freight die grinder can watch a couple of KZfaq videos and fix that problem in a couple of hours. Or, just buy a cheap pair of aluminum heads and install good hardware. You might have a few hundred more than the equivalent sbc heads but the sbf heads will be far more efficient at making power. The sbc guy would have to buy a $2000+ pair of heads to be better.

@BamaShinesDistillery 4 жыл бұрын

@@dukelps9132 as I said, the Ford parts cost more. But cubic inch for cubic inch, the Ford is typically better. Take the Coyote vs the 5.3. That 5.0 kills is but cost alot to build

@CJColvin 4 жыл бұрын

The 454 got a Soild roller cam while the 460 got a Hydraulic roller cam that's why the 454 made more Horsepower.

@gregparrott 3 жыл бұрын

While the test is definitely biased, you're wrong in saying the Ford got a hydraulic roller cam. Listen at 0:37

@SealofPerfection 3 жыл бұрын

Solid roller vs hydraulic roller is irrelevant at this level. If one had a .750 lift solid and the other had a .600 lift hydraulic, you'd have a point, but solid vs hydraulic at this level makes no difference. It just means the guy with the hydraulic has less to work on.

@SealofPerfection 3 жыл бұрын

@@bigboreracing356 yeah, and they whine about the domed pistons on the BBC and the crank and rods. Like they made any more power. The compression ratio was the same. Ford had a smaller chamber, didn't need the dome. And the BBC didn't need the crank or rods at that power level. The stock stuff would have held up just fine.

@chevy383jt 4 жыл бұрын

Funny how he installs the cam all crazy like, but cleans the pushrods. Hahaha

@gaspuppygarage3782 4 жыл бұрын

Chevy lost the moment the crank was changed. Another note. The chevy head had more flow. . I dont think this comparison was entirely fair!

@moxiemus788 4 жыл бұрын

Yep. Larger runners, bigger valves, solid roller cam vs hydraulic roller. Even with that, the 460 still made more torque. Better flowing heads make more power? What a revelation.

@nvkblankenship 4 жыл бұрын

The 460 got brand new crank, pistons. cam, heads, 1000 cmf carb, intake. ect new on the rebuild. Yes Chevy parts are shinier. Lol. Not sure what the issue is.

@SealofPerfection 4 жыл бұрын

Lost? Put them both in identical cars and the Chevy will win.

@nvkblankenship 4 жыл бұрын

@@moxiemus788 how do you know? 🤔 They did not give cam specs, heads ect. Or flow #'s. Take the loss. It is what it is.

@moxiemus788 4 жыл бұрын

@@nvkblankenship 460 had a stock repolished crank. He even stated, that it's good to 700hp - BBC crank is only good to 500hp. 5:25 for larger port runner and valves. Not trying to be combative, but it's a pretty clear advantage. Better sponsor parts maybe?

@dustinwolfe9591 4 жыл бұрын

This entire program has turned into the equivalent of an infomercial.

@dustinwolfe9591 4 жыл бұрын

Did you sell enough product?

@stevegabbert9626 2 жыл бұрын

I'll be 70 in August, and only went through auto shop in high school. I did end up overhauling my high school car, a 54' Chevy with a 235 six cylinder after I had graduated. Added a home, butchered up, split exhaust with an Offenhauser, which changed it to a 2 carburetor setup. Eventually bought a used 70', 428 Cobra Jet, Mustang, that broke an intake valve, which totally destroyed the motor. I had to swap that out with a used 390, which allowed me to save money by reusing some of the 428 parts. I eventually got a 76' Pinto which needed an overhaul, the cam was wore out. That engine was the most fun to work on, and turned out great. The last was my 79' F150 with an automatic. What I liked about all of those engines, they had carburetors and distributors. They were just more fun to work with and easier for me. Thanks for keeping that type of engine alive.

@ShelbysGT 4 жыл бұрын

All those mods fully built big block and only beat the ford by 20HP 😂😂

@kennethbrown5784 4 жыл бұрын

Had to give the 454 better heads better cam and a full rotating Assembly to make 30 more horsepower 😆

@N8Fusion 4 жыл бұрын

Kenneth Brown, the dyno results were Ford: 609 and Chevy: 622.5 which is actually only 13.5hp difference 😉

@kennethbrown5784 3 жыл бұрын

Seeing your comments a year later lol

@jackcann360 4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like your paycheck is paid by chevy

@billashe2108 4 жыл бұрын

As always.

@tycheez85 4 жыл бұрын

Jack Cann lmao. Not saying Ford is bad but it's not better than chevy.

@35RSkyline 4 жыл бұрын

Nope. Chevy just makes more power. Always has.

@eternalthread7846 4 жыл бұрын

Tywon Allen everyone knows 460s kick the shit out of 454s stock for stock

@BamaShinesDistillery 4 жыл бұрын

@@35RSkyline Uhhh no....Ford always pull more power per CI than chevy....just look at the 5.0 and 5.3 today.....The 50 is putting out almost as much as the 6.2

@hoss0821 4 жыл бұрын

Throw down?? These clowns threw the 460 down quick. I love BB Chevrolet, but come on, be fair.

@robertfox977 4 жыл бұрын

That 460 was damn impressive. If they spent more tuning time it would smoke the 454.

@tomwolak3362 4 жыл бұрын

Put the identical list of aftermarket RACING PARTS the chevy got in the 460. Balance the crank and increase head flow and the 460 smokes the chevy every time by at least 75 horse. I had a 79 F150 shortbox 4×4 with a 460. Put in a crane 268 cam' forged hi comp pistons ' bored it .030 over and put on a edelbrock performer intake and holley 780 dual feed carb with 3 inch hooker headers and she made 500 horse. The build the chevy got if put into thr ford would push the 460 to at leadt 700 and the ford blocks a lot stouter even with 2 bolt mains.

@TejasToolMan 2 жыл бұрын

That's what they were afraid of 🙄

@gaddyify 2 жыл бұрын

You're bragging about a motor that has more cubic inches????

@gaddyify 2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesscimone1447 I know.🤣

@markcole6475 2 жыл бұрын

@@gaddyify so your saying the Chevy got more love because it has 6 cubes less than the Chevy?

@keedoopop4900 4 жыл бұрын

A built 460 is a mean ass motor so is a 454 but this isn't a even build.

@RustyCarnahan 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. You can tell all they did was throw sponsored parts at both engines. The numbers they got out of the Ford can be got for a lot less money, and get a more driveable engine out of it, too. These guys were too eager to throw aluminum heads and roller cans at these engines in my opinion.

@tskraj3190 4 жыл бұрын

@@RustyCarnahan I have seen many comparisons between Ford V8s and Chevy V8s. Overall you are going to get more HP/Torque out of the Chevy SB and BB engines even when using very comparable parts. Not saying Chevy is better than Ford but that is usually the outcome. I was surprised to hear them say the Ford 460 stock crank was made to handle up to 700 HP and the Chevy 454 stock crank could only handle 500 HP.

@quentinham5908 4 жыл бұрын

@@motorman1873 dude, im sure i probably agree with you but damn you sound like a total fuckin moron! Get your spell check and grammar on bro before you start callin people names lol!

@TheCheapReefer 4 жыл бұрын

@@tskraj3190 LMAO when u bowtie boys make the power we do in a small block ford let me know . Show me a 305 that can make 500hp stroked out . no problem showing u a small block ford stroked out to 500hp all motor (331 , 347) SBF stroked 302 produces 500hp all day. Dont even get me into the new coyote motor 5.0 . or the 03/04 cobra and what it still does to chevy junk to this day

@dustinkeim179 4 жыл бұрын

This wasn’t a apples to apples comparison.. use the same combustion chamber compression valve size cam carb and do this again

@roberthillsjr.3729 4 жыл бұрын

Making sure that the chevy does more. Damn, can't anyone be fair????????? NO

@bowtietech8bishop685 4 жыл бұрын

chevy made more stock also

@milestownchurchofchristmil9455 4 жыл бұрын

I love the good ole 460

@larszchzsche9070 3 жыл бұрын

I've had both engines before and there both good engines but honestly i know the ford will be more durable in the long run.

@rickreid81 4 жыл бұрын

Love how the chevy engine had some advantages thrown to it. Then it only beat the ford by 11hp. That's funny.

@andre49ers 4 жыл бұрын

Rick Reid seems like they always do that

@anthonykoch3410 4 жыл бұрын

Chevy will always beat ford look at the Ls...fords truck motors are unheard of

@tynstaci 4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonykoch3410 per cubic inch, the mustang GT makes more power than the Camaro. The 5.0 puts out 460hp. The 6.2L in the Camaro puts out 455hp. The Camaro makes 1.2hp per cubic inch. The mustang makes 1.5hp per cubic inch. Chevy doesn't always win. Do some research

@gijo5088 4 жыл бұрын

@@anthonykoch3410 moron alert.

@eddienorrisjr 4 жыл бұрын

@@tynstaci voodoo is even better 525

@Wolfdog370 4 жыл бұрын

What a joke .. how are you ever going to get a true and fair result when its so biased to wards one side .. you guys just embarrassed your selves and lost all credibility

@jquest43 4 жыл бұрын

Chevy cheats=cc GM threw them 5000$

@Wanous-hv7zo 4 жыл бұрын

Wolfdog370 they don’t have the same parts can’t make them exactly the same. Your just another dumb ass ford idiot crying like all the rest of them on here

@keithmeffert8208 4 жыл бұрын

@@JT-yz4rj if you want a true side by side test with equal parts look at engine masters, they took a 350 and a 351 and put almost exactly the same parts in both engines and guess what they made almost the exact same power. While I prefer building fords I honestly dont care about brands but you have to admit chevy is always comparing unequal engines/vehicles

@tyrone5159 3 жыл бұрын

@@JT-yz4rj you're an idiot.

@HighlanderNorth1 3 жыл бұрын

@@keithmeffert8208 ☑️ That reminds me, I watched a stock rebuild and dyno test of a 351 Cleveland about 2 years ago, and although it wasn't even the most powerful version of the Cleveland, and was only rated at approx 275hp, it actually made closer to 380! It really shouldn't be a surprise though, as 351C heads breathe better than pretty much any small block made by anyone. Also, Bob Glidden won multiple Pro Stock championships with 351C's that he personally built! Imagine 8 sec quarter mile times in the mid 1970s with what started out as a factory engine, with NO power adders! 😁

@pronmaster09 3 жыл бұрын

I just want to thank for the great editing, i hate these YT channels with poor audio leveling, thanks!

@tincupnickleboythe1st700 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you ALL for saving me 18 min of my time !!!

@luciankristov6436 4 жыл бұрын

Obviously without seeing the dyno run the heads and pistons are going to make more power on the GM engine. Why even make this a vs lol.

@schwazman1 4 жыл бұрын

Apparently he wasn't paying attention. They said the comp ratio was going to be almost the same. And it's amazing he could tell it was going to make 11 more whole hp. 🙄

@mustardstain504d6 4 жыл бұрын

@@wadewright3556 No, it didn't. Is English your second language? He gave you the flow of the head. The Ford head chosen flows about 60 cfm less than the Ford. The bottom end was much nicer on the chevy build as well.

@carstuff4u942 4 жыл бұрын

Not sure....

@Patriot326 4 жыл бұрын

@@wadewright3556 thats right ford gives head better LOL

@Walkercolt1 4 жыл бұрын

Let's take a MOPAR 440 LA and try this. Guess who'll win everytime? Source: Hughes Engines and my 12 meter Airstream Motor Coach. 510 HP and 580 ft/lbs @ 3500 RPM.

@benbrowne6924 4 жыл бұрын

How about all same components on both engines. Typical of any comparison the Chevy is given the better parts

@guyneault5054 4 жыл бұрын

Ben Brown It Isn't the same parts, it's about what parts that make.an engine respond. In most magazine articles & Videos the guy doing the testing tend to spend much more time, effort. & money to extract the last available pony on chevys. And just does a basic 'budjet rebuild' On the other brands, and calls it done

@johnjbarnes78 4 жыл бұрын

All I know from my experience is that you can nearly double the power outputs of the 460 with headers and exhaust, intake and carb, a cam, and a few hours making the heads breathe. If you want it to hold, then you go through the bottom end of course.

@joechrisman8257 4 жыл бұрын

@@johnjbarnes78 yea id like a 460 budget build w about 378 hp & gobbs of torque. Maybe over 500 lbs. Be great in any truck.

@johnjbarnes78 4 жыл бұрын

Built a 400b in 1996 for $2500 put out 325 hp and 450 tq. Only non FoMoCo parts were cam, gaskets and seals, and oil pump. Easily get more out of a 460.

@joechrisman8257 4 жыл бұрын

@@johnjbarnes78 yea I like torque. Id take 600 lb tq over 600 hp any day. The expensive part, these big blocks is the aftermarket intake heads. Ive got a 1985 bbF 460. One day I'll turn it into a pulling work horse. I'm a chevy man but the 460 can be a work horse if rebuilt properly. :-)

@bobbybrummett7384 4 жыл бұрын

Good one you got me for about a half a second stick a fork in the bottom I was thinking what LOL

@falcorthewonderdog2758 Жыл бұрын

That cam install was brutal. Ouch

@grngs1 4 жыл бұрын

IM NOT A CHEVY OR FORD FAN, BUT THE CHEVY HAD THE ADVANTAGE IN BETTER PARTS. THIS COMPARISON WAS STUPID, THEY'RE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGNS

@fobbitoperator3620 4 жыл бұрын

YOU TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY FACE-HOLE!!!

@dominicsosa7405 4 жыл бұрын

hipo crank vs stock ....

@Honoer 4 жыл бұрын

Lmao and it still only made 11more hp and less torque, haha dumb chevys.

@roberthillsjr.3729 4 жыл бұрын

aThey want to make sure the Chevy wins. Didn't do that with the Ford . Assholes.

@Johnshaft1970 4 жыл бұрын

I agree, wholeheartedly

@moedigzz 4 жыл бұрын

@4:17 Plasti-gauge is supposed to be used across the rod/main journals, not around the journal. Nice job guys. 🤓

@paulk5311 4 жыл бұрын

i didn't even notice that. at 2:38 you can see they did it right on the mains. wonder why they did not on the rods.

@donjohnson8627 4 жыл бұрын

Well, they got it right in one place and wrong in another.....I'm thinking that these guys are NOT even close to being competent mechanics-----just POSERS!

@sledsports 2 жыл бұрын

The only way to use plastigauge is in the trash.

@snowcrest7863 4 жыл бұрын

Ford Man here: All things being equal, the engines should make near identical horsepower. If you factor in cost $$ then the Chevy will win simply because there are more parts available at a cheaper price.

@thecammedhoe 4 жыл бұрын

Snow Crest chevy man here, why do i agree with you, i’m not supposed too 😳. oh wait because this build wasn’t fair

@michaelgelinas6843 4 жыл бұрын

This was a street engine vs a race engine and even then all the bowtie could claim was slightly more hp. That was a slightly cheaper build than I would put in my 76f250 and it's just a my work horse to compare side by side is sickening. Chevy has cheaper go fast parts and you get what you pay for . However that 460 has so much left on the table and has limits that the 454 could never dream of touching without being a complete Frankenstein engine. (Talking about bore and bottom end capability)

@charlesaguilar1708 4 жыл бұрын

THANKS for the info! I've built a lot of 283,327,350and 427,454 Chevy motors. I've also done 289,302 and 351 Cleveland motors.FUN!

@skiptastic1000 4 жыл бұрын

Its a damper...... NOT a Dampener, unless it makes you wet

@rickcline4583 4 жыл бұрын

Tomato, Tamoto

@staywhite6332 4 жыл бұрын

Um, "dampen" means to reduce vibration, not, "damp", so, even though I would never ever let these guys touch motors or especially install a cam of mine, "dampener" is correct for anything that "dampens" vibrations.

@phantomwalker8251 4 жыл бұрын

dodge makes me wet,but dont tell the missus.

@robertweitlauf4653 4 жыл бұрын

And neither one of you know how to use that torque wrench. Nothing like going gentle on the cam bearings. And your showing people how to build engines

@timheersma4708 4 жыл бұрын

Bars leaks. I remember using that on an '89 GMC pickup that had a cylinder head passing coolant. Worked great at sealing that leak AND plugged my heater core up so I had no heat in the winter. I hope that issue has been addressed in the new formulation.

@markpotter2485 4 жыл бұрын

And you should adjust the valves every 3,000 miles??? Pass!

@gregparrott 3 жыл бұрын

That is the norm with any solid lifter cam. The benefit is extra HP and a considerably higher max RPM.

@jamiemuncy2219 4 жыл бұрын

That’s not a fair comparison in no form or fashion. You guys put better internals in the 454 and stock parts in the Ford. Put the same cam and pistons in the ford with the same valves and port sized heads and same brand cam and grind, then the same intake and so forth, come on guys I would hope your not just a bunch of actors but you’d know if your a real engine builder that this isn’t a fair comparison by no means. I can build a stoke stroke stick bore 460 that will put that Chevy 454 under the table on power. Like I said if you were really a hot rod and engine guy you’d know that the heads you used on the Ford are a restriction from valve placement and that the GREAT JOHN KAASE has redesigned the SCJ heads and cast his own p-51 head that flows some real cfm. So sorry for being blunt but please if your gonna compare power don’t do apples to oranges make it an even build... oh I forgot y’all big bow tie boys😱😱💯💯 Love the channel I just don’t think it’s a fair comparison sorry 💯

@BustedWalletGarage 4 жыл бұрын

“ in today’s episode we’re going to build two 1960’s engines in completely differently different ways and goad the old fart Chevy and the 3 Ford guys into a trolling war in the KZfaq comments ! “

@biscuitninja 4 жыл бұрын

Red: Raaaaa! Blue: Raaaaa!

@matthewmccune 4 жыл бұрын

it worked............. (ford guy, lol)

@fido139 4 жыл бұрын

What the hell is a Chevy?

@danielj3230 4 жыл бұрын

Daniel J Identity thief!! Lolll!

@howard7689 4 жыл бұрын

I love it, I wonder if it's the cost that was the same? As a chevy guy , I know it takes superior quality parts and workmanship to produce Ford parts, and nearly any third world sweatshop can, and do produce chevy parts that work.

@hellonwheels9149 4 жыл бұрын

I wish they would say prices and cost for the parts for these “budget builds”

@tedwpx123 2 жыл бұрын

👍That Barr's fix leak does work. I used on my Honda CRV

@joelegion4587 4 жыл бұрын

You used bigger heads, intake and cam of course it’s gonna make more power 😂😂😂

@bilbobaggins4710 4 жыл бұрын

No way

@hendrahendra 4 жыл бұрын

*Surprised pikachu face*

@amordeweso 4 жыл бұрын

It made more power stock either way 🤷🏽‍♂️

@xxxroberttheking 4 жыл бұрын

Rodolfo Munoz depending on year and original purpose of the engines, the stock vs stock numbers may not be a fair comparison.

@amordeweso 4 жыл бұрын

Robert Terhune ok well that’s irrelevant the fact here is that the 454 made more then the 460 period ......obviously they used the more powerful year models of each 🤷🏽‍♂️

@diannerumoro9618 4 жыл бұрын

Gee let's give the ford heads that flow 290 , and the chevy heads that flow 320 and call it a chevy win. Just once the playing field should be even.

@WVXL64 4 жыл бұрын

The Chevy heads didn't flow 320, the intake ports are 320cc. Pretty common size for those Chineese heads they used.

@that1guy997 4 жыл бұрын

@@WVXL64 on top of the fact that they both used the same carb.

@teredude 4 жыл бұрын

Well done and simple.

@michaelrodrigues5713 2 жыл бұрын

The 'magnetic finger' is truly ingenious!

@dcrahn 4 жыл бұрын

Your Chevy bias is showing again.

@scottcupp8129 3 жыл бұрын

Sure is. The 460 is a bad ass engine. I believe it can dominate that 454.

@scottcupp8129 3 жыл бұрын

If they gave the 460 as much love as that 454, the numbers would have been a LOT different.

@theemrroboto 4 жыл бұрын

What a bad comparison. Duh, of course the 454 makes more power with a higher flow rate head.

@nobodyreally6345 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Big difference. Great video though.

@caveman6345 4 жыл бұрын

A factory 454 had 390hp and a factory ford 460 had 365hp, there is your fair comparison.

@johnjbarnes78 4 жыл бұрын

One could easily find more hp and tq in the 460 by simply massaging the head vs the 454 which already had better breathing heads.

@caveman6345 4 жыл бұрын

There is a reason Henry Ford bought his racing parts from Chevrolet. ...

@dre04mach 4 жыл бұрын

@@nobodyreally6345 Bigger heads, 400 rpm more and it made a whopping 11hp more... lol

@billfeld5883 3 жыл бұрын

The Ford 385 block was a lot of fun for me & my daughter as we took turns doing burn-outs took her awhile to get her first 100+ rubber strips, them were fun days!

@robertpayne2717 4 жыл бұрын

They can never and will never show equal love

@dinojay8410 4 жыл бұрын

Don't worry ... Mopar is coming up in a future episode. ( heads over to Nick's Garage) 😂😄

@DL-dj9mn 4 жыл бұрын

Dino Jay nothing to see there either

@dinojay8410 4 жыл бұрын

@@DL-dj9mn 😂😂😂😂😂 ... Cheeky bugger!👍

@busarider1072 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve been watching that older fellow on this show for decades and he’s always been a bit partial to GM...not surprising that the 460 came in last. I knew it would the moment I saw the title and what they did to both engines.

@marioncobaretti2280 4 жыл бұрын

the old guy is a`tech wanna be but has no courage to work against other techs. he cant handle someone being better.

@TheRoadhammer379 4 жыл бұрын

Joe has always been a blue oval guy.

@Wanous-hv7zo 4 жыл бұрын

busarider1072 fords always come in last just go to the drag strip. Heck there ain’t many ford powered fords at the drag strip most have LS engines in them

@elmerfudpucker3204 4 жыл бұрын

Joe is a Ford man.

@leeharvey9006 3 жыл бұрын

@@Wanous-hv7zo because ls engine are a dime a dozen in junkyards and on marketplace and cheap af. Those are the budget builders. Ask how many engines they go through

@YouGotsTheRabies 4 жыл бұрын

When they installed the rear-main seal, all I could hear was Dulcich saying, "Freiburger, I'm going to go with the aviation."

@3RTracing 4 жыл бұрын

what was your breakin procedure for these motors before loading them up on the dyno?

@jpguthrie6669 4 жыл бұрын

Having had both a Chevy 454 and a Ford 460, I have to say that my favorite is the Chrysler 440...

@starcloakstarside9719 3 жыл бұрын

Amused. Cute, but I’ve thrown more power out of a naturally aspirated 351 Windsor.

@ronaldfilkins6448 2 жыл бұрын

440 is just as good as any. Ive had all three and like them all. Each is powerfull and will take a beating...

@jpguthrie6669 2 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldfilkins6448 What I liked about the 440 was the intake system, which could be taken off without removing the distributor, I also liked the location of the oil filter, and the rocker arm shafts instead of the BS system used on the Ford and Chevy. I didn't have any issues with the 460 or 454, but they weren't as easy to work on or tear down between runs. Nowadays I play with a BMW S63 V8, which is a DOHC, 4-valve-per-cylinder, twin-turbo, inter-cooled, etc. It pulls hard, but I miss my old 'Cudas and Challengers.

@billgideon5942 2 жыл бұрын

You got it brother: Mopar or no car !!!!

@bartborganelli7301 2 жыл бұрын

Lets go 427 to 427. They both made one. But, "Cammer" cleaned ass!

@tacomas9602 4 жыл бұрын

The ford didn’t get the same mods.

@donjohnson8627 4 жыл бұрын

I am pretty much a CHEVY guy and have been for around 5 decades, but a HUGE DISSERVICE was done to the FORD in this "this vs. that" comparo....kinda like comparing apples to bananas the way it was done and when I saw all that, You TOTALLY LOST any shred of believably/credibility you had as far as I am concerned. Oh, yeah..."Cross drilled to reduce rotating wight"? OK...whatever you say, i guess...can't claim that it DIDN'T reduce rotating weight, though that IS NOT why cranks get drill!

@tomwolak3362 4 жыл бұрын

If it had the chevy woulda bern toast.

@arttafil6792 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite head gaskets we’re typically solid copper with a groove cut in the block and heads for copper wire to really seal it all!

@robertgowerjr.1403 3 жыл бұрын

I just love how they pound the pistons in with a mallet. Or how they installed the cam! I'm sure there were some real nice scratches on the bearings! Or...how they adjust the rockers on a hot motor. Also, just dropping a new piston on a metal table. Then the obvious bias towards the bowtie is hilarious! I wouldn't want anything these guys build!

@stephengates2236 4 жыл бұрын

Uneven build, better parts in chevy a solid roller cam and with 320cfm intake heads on the chevy and only 290 on the Ford no wonder it fell short.

@fobbitoperator3620 4 жыл бұрын

Yeee'up...

@dominicsosa7405 4 жыл бұрын

parts are wayyyeeee cheaper for chevy

@joediblasio1846 4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Fessler exactly

@PHIL5251 4 жыл бұрын

Dominic Sosa No shit dumbass junk is always cheaper

@anthonykoch3410 4 жыл бұрын

Philip Michalek woah woah woah....how many people are coyote swapping camaros?? Ill wait

@stevenhiggins6674 4 жыл бұрын

Well what you ended up doing is an apple and oranges test both engines were not built the same so this was bullshit show. So you guys lost all credibility

@Orygunner67 2 жыл бұрын

I think you guys should have more of those questions to keep us motorheads on the right track and thinking. 🤓

@rustyshackleford9685 4 жыл бұрын

So the chevy gets a solid roller lifter, aftermarket crank and ICON forged pistons while the ford only gets flat tappet hydraulic lifters and stock style cast pistons? Way to JIP the ford, If you look at the dyno graph the ford would have out performed the chevy if it didn't start floating the valves. Typical chevy bias bull shit

@dre04mach 4 жыл бұрын

All that and it barely made 11hp more, at 400rpm higher... lmfao.

@hondablowsbadly 4 жыл бұрын

It's just Ford no one cares

@hondablowsbadly 4 жыл бұрын

@Aeternalis Armentarius call you crack dealer already kid.

@zerotwo6409 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen chevy’s get shit on by mopar fanboi’s and ford fanboi’s in my OPINION (I know scary word) has more power reliability and capabilities than a 460 and 440/426

@rustyshackleford7265 4 жыл бұрын

GM superiority is not 'bias'

@jvbowman80 4 жыл бұрын

They need to match heads for head AND install a balance crank in that FORD like they did with the Chevy.

@GeoffInfield 4 жыл бұрын

@donaldkinder6716 4 жыл бұрын

Ford guy can't stand Chevy builds. The best engine's on the market.

@donaldkinder6716 4 жыл бұрын

Fuckin ford cry babie. Lmao

@randykirchhevel7311 4 жыл бұрын

No Ford guys only want what's fair that means putting a special crank and rods and building the bottom end like they did the Chevy it's called making it even Steven otherwise whats the point of doing this competition. I believe the shoe is on the other foot as well Chevy guys can't stand Ford Builds and will make up a bunch of BS oh Chevy's make more power per cubic inch, Fords weigh more then a Chevy. Fords cost more then Chevy's. I am not listening to that garbage

@albertgaspar627 4 жыл бұрын

What's funny is the Chevy lovers totally gloss over the fact the Ford stock crank handles more power than the Chevy stocker. Tho part of that is Chevy would just use a forged crank and four bolt mains. By the time the Lima engine was made, Semon Bunkie Knudson was at Ford and brought not just his GM buddies, but the Rat's canted valve design. And when's the last time a junkyard 454 went to 557 cid? www.429-460.com/t121-big-block-ford-horsepower-chart-info-gathered-by-djohagin But for certain, a Chevy has cheaper, broader aftermarket support

@aaronbarnes8938 4 жыл бұрын

Should have added the Mopar 440 to the mix

@justinriley8651 4 жыл бұрын

@@Welcometofacsistube you wont be .

@steezymk8815 4 жыл бұрын

Hal 1000 it was wouldn’t at all buddy, keep your cute little names to yourself unless you know actual facts ☺️

@InuranusBrokoff 4 жыл бұрын

@@charlesangell_bulmtl yeah, that is quite a peaky tq curve for a 460, usually they are flat enough to eat off of. Just realized it also had a single plane intake...

@79tazman 4 жыл бұрын

@@justinriley8651 yeah he would

@slapnutzracing2152 4 жыл бұрын

Mopar bb solid roller cam conversion = $$$$$$$$$$

@breakfastclub3909 4 жыл бұрын

I like all those torque wrench impact gun specs.

@steeliumjay514 4 жыл бұрын

What's the torque on that main? #Goodntight

@str8edge_lifer83 4 жыл бұрын

Damn I love how every one commenting is a master engine builder that put these guys in there place. GOOD job guys 👍🙄

@wild_horses 4 жыл бұрын

That gasket sealer will be a powerstroke owners new best friend!😁😄😆

@fishnpitstaknnames4699 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a chevy guy, but chevy, Ford, dodge, I dont care, these guys should never touch another engine, ever again. This whole video is whack.

@rondyechannel1399 4 жыл бұрын

You see the canyon in the top of the Ford pistons? No compression, no power, regardless of head flow.

@Niterider73 4 жыл бұрын

Wonder what they claimed was the compression on the Ford?

@hilleryclifford2367 4 жыл бұрын

@@rondyechannel1399 really dude? The ford benefits because of no piston dome wich equals a lighter piston. Modern engines use the flat top piston design also. Stop crying.... There is a reason the 385 ford wasnt used in offshore powerboat racing .the true test of a bad ass motor ..... Its called a lack of head bolts around the cylinders.... Just sayin!!!!! Big chevys still rule!!!

@EGGINFOOLS 4 жыл бұрын

@@rondyechannel1399 He clearly stated they had the same compression ratio

@carolbates6886 4 жыл бұрын

Let's see you do it, troll!

@owenstrickler1185 Жыл бұрын

It’s interesting, because the 454 was designed more towards a performance racing engine, while the 460 was designed to be a hauling, towing, truck engine.

@davewilkirson2320 3 жыл бұрын

Love your vids. I have a 283, 454, and a 428 on the stands now. Father passed and I am carrying on the tradition of keeping the classics running. Ya'll be good and have fun.

@TheOrangeManGood 4 жыл бұрын

"Equally modified Ford" he says.

@mt1885 4 жыл бұрын

Fuurds = 🚽🚽🚽

@blairberg1081 4 жыл бұрын

@@mt1885 not what he means dip shit

@mt1885 4 жыл бұрын

@@mewrongway Absolute JUNK Fuuurd properitary horrid electrical, engines made from pot metal (they do have good marketing). As fools keep buying them, GM owns the v8 from old gen to new. Plus, their electrical is so much easier to work with.

@timparry8303 4 жыл бұрын

You mean that LS engine that is basically a copy of an old Ford?

@SealofPerfection 4 жыл бұрын

@@timparry8303 I keep seeing this claim. You DO realize that, even if the LS was a copy of a Ford, that means that it took Chevy to get it right, don't you? Because it's sure as hell a fact that nobody does with a Ford small block what you can do with an LS. It's so true that now Ford has copied the LS with their "new" 7.3. LOL And it's hilarious how you want to talk about Chevy "copying" an old Ford motor, but this very video has a 460 which was copied from the Big Block Chevy.

@FastPaull 4 жыл бұрын

"there's no graceful way to install these spiral clips" Me: Looks at spiral clip tool that is quite Graceful

@jumrobe 4 жыл бұрын

We're gonna compare these two competing motors, but one is going to get heads with a 10% larger heads...totally equal comparision

@dre04mach 4 жыл бұрын

And that, after 400 more RPM, translates to a whole 11hp. lmfao.

@errolrojas3460 2 жыл бұрын

I do not see a link in the description for the header wrap. Please post that because I'm interested in sourcing. Thanks!

@Honoer 4 жыл бұрын

Even with KZfaq full of channels doing all they can to make the Chevy look better, the real people still know which motor will make more power. I’ll still with my fords.

@dominicsosa7405 4 жыл бұрын

now run them with out pil or water and see which motor last longer ....FORD

@Wanous-hv7zo 4 жыл бұрын

Dominic Sosa that would just be stupid like you. Only a fucking idiot would say something like that

@Wanous-hv7zo 4 жыл бұрын

Noah Marsh in your dreams. Is that why they put chevy engines in ford mustangs?

@Wanous-hv7zo 4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Dunn and get more power go faster and hold up. Ford engines suck

@Wanous-hv7zo 4 жыл бұрын

Jeff Dunn what facts? That fords are good? Ha ha ha ha ha its ok stupid ford boy

@thomasfroberg1294 4 жыл бұрын

Unless you use the same kit parts same compression same cams same pistons for each THERE IS NO COMPARISON AND THIS IS BULL! If your gonna win fair be fair! This is not even close but clearly shows your BIASES

@21stcenturyjacktheripper 4 жыл бұрын

Wrong they spent about equal on both motors. So sorry the after market supply for chevy parts is larger and the parts are cheaper. And to build equal you will spend about two to three times more for ford parts.

@bad74maverick1 4 жыл бұрын

@@21stcenturyjacktheripper Money wasn't the premise of the second build. it was SUPPOSED to be using the same parts on the same motors to see what made more HP. They reason they went all out on the chevy motor and half assed the ford motor was because they were dumping the chevy motor into the project car, the 85 Carlo. Could you imagine having to say, "our chevy motor lost, stay tuned next week when we put this loser motor into our 85 Monte Carlo build".

@wadebordelon7286 4 жыл бұрын

So let's bore the Chevy to a 461 and match them up

@21stcenturyjacktheripper 4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Fessler no grab your summit catalog i got mine right here you are so full of shit. The ford aftermarket selection doesnt compare. Cost me allot more money to rebuild my 83 thunderbird 5.0 than it did to have my 74 chevy c10 with 350 to be rebuilt. I had a cracked heads on the ford a decent cylinder head was almost double for what i could buy near the exact same spec chevy head. Then every shop quoted me more for the machine work on the ford than for the chevy chevy is 8 dollars per valve seat they wanted 12 for each valve seat on the ford heads. And the chevy runs just great and the pos ford is rotting in my yard. Along with a ford f 150 with less than 75,000 that has been through two transmissions and wont get a third. And has spit three spark plugs on three different heads and the cam phasers have failed.

@21stcenturyjacktheripper 4 жыл бұрын

@Jack Fessler Heads are drilled to accept 1/2 in. head bolts. Trick Flow twisted wedge pistons are required for use with these heads to allow for piston to valve clearance. Valve cover rail is raised .350 in. over stock.

@955radiogirl 4 жыл бұрын

Hey it may be biased but it just means ford guys are right😂 that you need a fully built Chevy to beat a mild Ford Big block build

@tomwolak3362 4 жыл бұрын

If they had been fair and put all the goodies the chevy got in the ford and balanced it with the heads the chevy got it would have been a total humiliation to the 454 cuz the 460 makes way more power and torque if the test was fair. Very shitty job guys.

@elinino5275 4 жыл бұрын

The guy even said "equally matched Ford" ...whatever lol