Why not?

Ye come on why not what's the gossip? :D

Why do you stop affiliating with half the gyms you go to

Uh oh. Did someone not like how the clips turned out? You could post the whole thing unedited, we’d all love to see it!

​@@troublewakingup it's because he doesn't train there and people kept showing up in hopes to see him so he says that so people don't bother the gym

Osss

@@joek613 exactly. We use to teach wing chun back then, and people always asked if it was ip man's lineage. I responded in kind that ours was yuen kay shan's and proceeded to tell them that lineages don't matter because not ip man, nor yuen kay shan is doing the fighting, you are.

Not on that hardwood floor though

@blackrhinomartialarts9298 you'll have to forgive me. Lineage still doesn't matter, the artist does. No matter how great the supposed lineage is, you are doing the translating into techniques. In this case, he probably isn't that good of a wing chun practitioner which is why he got beat up, but that is basically most of the wing chunners especially on youtube because they refuse to evolve. I have only seen 2 videos where wing chun won, one was against a karate master who was smaller and shorter, and two against a muay thai guy being pushed towards a mirror, breaking it. With the latter being the only legit win. People get stuck up on lineages and I have seen that play out since I used to teach the art. Lineages don't matter, the martial artist does. So I applaud Nate because he managed to get a few shots in, can't say the same for most chunners since most kwoons are stuck on drilling instead of pressure testing it on sparring. Jeff emphasized that well, he made wing chun techniques work, so did UFC LW champion Jon Jones, or Ben Saunders. Focus on the artist not the lineage. You can get a sucky lineage and still be a better chunner than a guy with a "legit" lineage but doesn't have the knack for it.

@Black Rhino Martial Arts - i thought that kind of shitcan attitude went away when bruce fought wong jack man...I guess some people never learn...

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Yeah, I hear a lot of "that doesn't work" without understanding the scenario those arts were created.

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It's not even 50% lmao It's like 20%

@@spacecookie1091 more like 10%

Contact Sports fighters usually get permanent damage not in fight day but sparring sessions.

@@ferdi6594 good no need to kill someone over a fucking KZfaq video. Muay Thai fighters don’t do that shit cause it’s no benefit. Your chin gets weak with every punch and so does your brain it’s smarter to save the hard shit for fight day

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Yea. He’s getting better with that 😊

@@MMAShredded I give straight forward factual review. Jeff won if this is actual fighting competition. Nate's hands are often guarding too low & at few times he dropped the hand entirely leaving huge gap for Jeff to punch. When wearing 8-12oz boxing 🥊 mitt, numbers of kungfu hand techniques should be avoided as doing so will end up cumbersome and left dangling far requiring extra energy just to draw them back to guard the head. Of course lighter 4oz open hand gloves used in MMA & original kungfu stage fight in 60's will be more practical & realistic.

@@jayjay53313 Jeff is a professional fighter. Of course he won. Nate is a good fighter, but just because you are a good fighter it doesn't mean you can beat a professional fighter.

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whyyyy did you leave meeee!

He is the real Wing Chun master bro

Unlike other vids we watched pure annoying styles no moves shown

@@someone-lo3pe the dark lord is here chin chin

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Muay Thai fighter and boxers are better at hand traping compared to wing chun guys. You don't need Wing chun to use guard manipulation or hand traping or parries.

Thanks my friend. Well said, his time at New York Martial Arts Academy and lot of fighting experience definitely made it difficult due to his familiarity. Jeff is amazingly adaptable and doesn’t just do what most mma or boxing do. Thanks so much and it was a fun experience and I learned a lot in the exchange.

@@SifuNate Good for you. Thanks for doing this with Jeff and replying.

​@@ryu3019A lot of Wing Chun fighters don't spar enough leading to their techniques being bad because they don't actually train them. But Wing Chun definitely provides things in terms of leverage and timing that Boxing and MT don't have. It is just that boxers and MT practitioners often train more efficiently, so the arts can seem superior to Wing Chun in that area because their techniques have actually been trained.

resspect and good feedback for both fighters on what can improve and what is workign well

Osss

thank you!

I do yin style Baguazhang and I would loveeee the chance to spar Jeff if he ever came to Texas lol (I’m a bit camera shy though). Sparrings super important for traditional martial arts to practice and get comfortable with. Luckily you’re seeing more and more of it with this younger generation of practitioners.

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most people don't realize long guard is a form of WC/JKD...

@@humbledb4jesus It's one of the stances, and I do think Bruce Lee for example has made long guard well known.

@@humbledb4jesus a long guard has been part of muay thai aswell its known as the dracula guard

But yes WC/JKD has a big emphasis on that

Yeah, it seems to kind of just turn into kickboxing but with more liberal use of the "kung fu" kind of blocks seen in boxing and kickboxing.

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Jeff beat him at his own trapping game to be honest

Mixed martial arts is better than one martial art because you can take something useful from each one and compensate for their limitations. Wing Chun is great if you use it in tandem with other fighting styles/techniques.

This is not wing chun, this is half decent JKD

I see the wing chun fighter at a clear disadvantage giving solely to a lack of sparring experience. That makes a big difference!

How's khalyla?

How's Brendan?

Thanks bro!

Definitely didn't expect to see this in the comment section lol

Lots of class in this comment thread. Hi Bobby! Have a nice day

You wouldn’t survive a spar against him

@@Deoslatt he'd wreck me.

@@SakanLam id wreck you too. And im not talking about fighting 😩

@@Deoslatt okay dude 😒

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Not always hahaha

thanks man!!

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thank you!!

Without traditional Martial arts, there would be no MMA.🤷🏾‍♂️ MMA guys dissing traditional Martial arts would be the equivalent of someone dissing their grandfather.

@@X-Factor-22 I agree 100%

@@dipayandey913 Well said Brother

​@@X-Factor-22 hard to hate such old ass styles too. Yeah wing Chun isn't as good as MMA. Neither is late 1800s boxing.

or no gloves

good video idea! will def see what I can do

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Thanks for watching !

Stop the cap,kyokushin doesn't have head movement it doesn't even allow punches and elbows to the face

@@ryu3019 not sure who you studied or if you did.. I know they're always be whack feedback...

@@MMAShredded again sir, that was an awesome video, thank you for sharing.

@@Stewcrew8 you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes just watch a few kyokushin match they never move their head

Because Jeff's boxing works. The other guy is stuck in an IP Man movie

Because Jeff is soo experienced and masters alot of Styles that give him an advantage, just look how he immediately adapted to his style and applied wing chung trapping, that is thanks to the experience of having practiced many styles of martial arts

@@markmessi9020 Most likely the wing chun guy doesnt do much sparring.

@@veganninja5886 yeah thats other reason.. Jeff spar with everybody, also dont forget that he is a profesional fighter lol

Diff style of trapping ! :)

thanks man!

Cheers!

Nobody should put emphasis on hard sparring

@@eclipsis1999 I definitely agree, people shouldn't be regularly killing each other in the gym. However I also strongly feel the first time you get cracked should NOT be in a real fight. Much better to be in a safer environment with people that have some marginal investment in you continuing to breathe. Like everything there's a time and place for it. That's to say nothing of the more art side of understanding what works or doesn't against real harm.

Check out Alan Orr on KZfaq. He is a legit Wing Chun instructor with students regularly competing in boxing and MMA

Pak Sao and other elbow/forearm blocks can easily be retrofitted into a strike. It was lost for the longest but Wing Chun is essentially just Boxing but with different executions; though doesn't help that the practitioners nowadays don't emphasize the nowadays boxing format of striking. Even though there are methods of dodging in Kung Fu, like what a boxer would call "rope-a-dope" or bobbing and weaving, none of that is really used in the system. On that note, I do believe that what you call "Hard Sparring" is the type of sparing shown in the video? Since anything that could be considered "hard sparring" past what is portrayed in this video is just a full-blown fight.

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thought the same, also great reaction time, thie feels like watching Matrix

yeah but be careful of middle and high kick if you use often those head movement

@@guillaumebartys4437 i always felt that follow up kick is lacking on MMA. You combo punch and as you dodge back while on block. At the same time, you are kicking up. It's great for when they are following your body to punch you. It's so open from below. Kicking the leg, body or head. Or combo punch moving forward then front kick.

​​@@algladyou Cruz has that wrestling debuff going on that allows him to get away with not getting kicked in the face, as he could easily set his head movement up to dodge follow up kicks with his awkward movement and the threat of a takedown making strikers hesitate on launching those kicks in the first place. A lot of other good wrestleboxers have this going for them, actually.

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im so glad to hear man! im excited for your journey man. you are still a baby. keep it up!!

Never give up and never surrender man. It's never too late!

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Facts, Jeff is a profesional fighter..

Guess you didn't really pay attention to video...

Well this shows that is not the martial art but the fighter

There's nothing sad about this, show some respect. These are 2 high level guys. You can't even see what the wing chun guy is bringing to the table clearly. Watch again and notice his level of poise when performing the parry strike etc.

It’s about who trains more realistically, sparring is the most important thing. Wing chun is purely theory and no reality.

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WC is an easy target to ridicule coz a HUGE amount of its practitioners refuse to acknowledge its shortcomings and adapt to real/modern fighting, and also refuse to stress-test their skills in actual sparring. As if strictly adhering to a tradition that s divorced from reality is a badge of honour. And whenever a WC practitioner loses, “that’s not real WC”

@@austinsavage People often mistake what real fighting is. In real fighting you often don't know when or who you are going to fight. Sometimes it's in the street, other times in confined spaces. Might involve weapons or multiple attackers. There are no rules, no rounds, no protective gear, no weightclasses and no refferees. The gap is often closed emmediatly. You are literally fighting to survive and get away. A lot of "Streetfights" happen because of ego. In many cases you can just walk away without fighting but people start to act tough, get close, push and shove before striking or grappling. In real unavoidable violence you have no choice and the attacker often closes the gap in order to attack. To get better at handeling real violence you need certain attributes. Having some good awareness, basic punches and anti wresteling is enough for most situations in your life if you try to avoid violence at all costs. Stuff like this might look like real fighting, but it's easy to forget how many things are still certain. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f8tlhLSg3LfNe4k.html&ab_channel=manneredchimpanzee Everything you do in a martial art has pro's and con's, but the goal is to apply the right thing at the right time. Combat sports athletes figure out what is effective by feeling out their opponent at a distance, using feints and setups to land their heavier strikes. Although these techniques are very dangerous the fight has become more of a physical chessgame. Real wing-chun focusses on unavoidable violence and assumes the coherent context. If you take wing-chun out of the context it's designed for and put it in an combat sports environment it will have to change in order to be the most effective in that situation. This is possible but you would have to understand the system really well, which brings me to my next point. Wing-chun has been watered down and therefore most don't understand it well. Ip Man only had a hand full of students that were actual fighters, many after just taught for the money and removed the combat aspects in change for more chi sao. Most of the real fighters went to teach in Europe rather than the US, so the wing-chun there is even worse. Take a look at the examples below, can you guess which type of training and techniques is more fit for actual fighting? A) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/acqSpcWDtc-8p6s.html&ab_channel=RedBoatWingChunkungFuDenmark B)kzfaq.info/get/bejne/psCAl8adz8q7h2g.html&ab_channel=SifuJanosKonya C) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5uTabBirsy5hHU.html&ab_channel=VTCombatScience

They shouldn't. The Wing Chun dude was getting hit clean over and over and over and over again. If this sparring wasn't at like 30%, dude would've gotten knocked out a dozen times

​@TheGuyCalledX Jeff is a professional MMA fighter, who has typical MMA and traditional martial arts under his belt, what did you expect?

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Thanks for watching !!

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Thank you!

WING CHUN/Ving Tsun ≠ JKD

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No one spars with 4 oz MMA gloves. And as an MMA fighter Jeff was at the same disadvantage in boxing gloves.

@@alexhoward1884 well yeah, they’re not gonna spar 100% pwr w/ smaller gloves, a light and controlled spar. In jeet kune do & wing chun classes we do spar lightly with mma gloves, obs wearing more protective gear. Similar to Kyokushin.

@@alvinli5587 dude light sparring is why people suck.. making it harder on yourself eventually makes it easier

@@mato2677 tell that to the Thai's. Light sparring with control and backforth play is a staple of good muay thai training.

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Thank you!!

How about merge with boxing?!

Sometimes. It depends on the range. Duran's inside techniques were very similar to wing-chun and Duran's arguably the GOAT of boxing.

Theres a big difference wotg intensity concerning those complacent with training and those who are really attempting to apply technique for more dmg output. Without being aware of it thd average person can be alot more snappy and precise at any level by being fully immersed which is what proper sparring is for

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thanks man!!

Osss

thanks for your analysis and knowledge!

@@MMAShredded Thank you Jeff for every technique video that you did over the years! I bought your head movement course today and the quality is again really impressive. If you could do a trapping video with small mma gloves, that would be really fascinating to see! Thanks again!

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Next time !

Well, one would better hand dexterity in MMA gloves, but boxing/Thai gloves are bigger, so there is more to "catch/latch on" to. It might depend on the individual, or maybe there's enough of a difference.

If you fought amateur 😂

I'm also curious to see how this would look if this weren't on a hard wooden floor and Jeff was allowed to sweep and use takedowns.

True we gotta try with mma gloves next time !

MMA gloves aren’t made for sparring though.

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Thanks for watching !

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Yes exactly but definitely been adapting to the gloves for safety of sparring partners. It’s possible but definitely not as efficient since you have to make slightly wider movements.

@@SifuNate Insetad of boxing style sparring gloves I would suggest MMA sparring gloves which can be worn without wraps if you like (so they don't restrict hand movement). These are open handed like MMA competition gloves but they have thicker padding on the hand/knuckle area. I think these would be superior to boxing style gloves for a style like wing chun.

yes he def had a disadvantage due to the gloves! we can try mma gloves next time!

@@MMAShredded yeah would love to see that guys! Mma grapper style gloves like enter the dragon hahah True martial arts spirit! Keep at it 👊love yout content and channel Jeff!

Osssss

thank you!!

wing is bets used without big puffy gloves also. Plus the wing chun guy didnt have good footwork

Cheers!

thanks for watching!!

thx!!

jeffs a professional fighter

cheers!

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Give the guy a break man. Your comparing an active practitioner of the wing chun and jkd style and comparing him to a man who has learned multiple martial arts and has fought inside the cage. This is what wing chun is supposed to be. Not a bunch of slapping bs that u see all over the internet.

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Exactly, ossu!

Wing chun is just bad. Jeff just trying to lend a hand to a dying dance/aerobics discipline like tai chi, wing chun isn’t a combat art at least not in its current form today. Maybe it never was because even Bruce Lee said a “person who trains boxing or wrestling for one year will defeat any martial artist” by martial artist he was referring to stuff like wing chun…

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Bullshit. It is the martial art and it is the fighter. For example you can't put a boxer to fight in muy thai the boxer has no training in leg kicks and his shin would not be conditioned for that. One kick to his face and he's out because he has no experience defending it. You put a bullshit unrealistic martial art like aikido or wing chun against mma obviously the mma fighter would win. To an extent it is the fighter but it is also the martial art. You can't cpmpare a completely useless martial art to something that is effective. Jeff was going super easy here and making this guy look like an amateur. Do you know how bad you have to be for someone to play around with you and make your style look that ineffective

Yes always depending on the specific individual!

@@MMAShredded So why don't you make more videos practicing more aikido or wing chun or tai chi since its the person not the style?

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thanks :)

As jeff literally used winchun stuff and it worked lol

@@largocharles8729 you mean regular boxing parries?

@@paulbadman8509 that are also emphasised in wing chun. lots of martial arts have overlaps.

@@Monanarchist yes but wing chun doesnt work as we can see, shut up

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LOLL :)

Ducks off to the left everytime. Not really insane.

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