100% ^^^^

Hahaha, Li Moke Xuanhao

Yang has character. Magnus is a sore loser. If Magnus had character, he should also be willing to put his entire career and reputation on the line. Instead, he just bullied a kid he lost to.

@@YSFmemories Not reductive at all. Magnus had enough character to stand up against cheating, no matter the consequences, and it's just SO coincidental that he happened to "bully" the "kid" who was found to have cheated in the past, said later that he only cheated a few times, then was found to have cheated many more times. All things that Carlsen pointed out. Yeah, sore loser. That's it.

@@zaksmith1035 bullshit. Magnus is not man enough to do what Yang did. He didn't say anything for weeks and only acted like an arse the entire time, until he was sure he won't be any legal trouble at all. He just wanted to abuse his influence while making sure that he won't take any consequences at all, and the reality is, he isn't facing any consequence for his accusations with no evidence. To this day, there is still ZERO evidence that Hans cheated OTB.

I don't play the game at a high level but if players are taught by AI is it a surprise their moves feel like AI ?

​@@seanfaherty I can't speak for top pros. I'm only 8d on Fox server myself so I can only share my experience. It's possible to memorise the A.I moves in the openings and match blue moves following the game flow. But in middle game fighting, its near impossible to find all the A.I moves. That's because human players follow a thought process, like 'this area is important' or 'I must get that big place'. The sequence of moves we play follow up on a certain line of thinking. Li's game is weird because in his game against Shin, move 36 aims to cover the ladder and then he switches to left side (40/42) and then back to 44 for the ladder again. If a player judge that the ladder is not severe, its extremely hard to determine when it will be bigger than the next big place. Similarly, the concept for move 56 and 58 doesn't line up. Is it possible Li thinks like an A.I? Maybe. Is it conceivable that he calculated and is capable of move 44, 58 and 64? Possibly. Is it also realistic to do all that and the win rate graph doesn't fluctuate in point lead? I personally am not convinced. But yeah, to answer your question, it is a pretty damn big surprise in my opinion.

And to further add on, Li gave his interview after the match and said the mid game is a 1 way street but that is simply not true. And he played extremely fast. Move 64 involves an immense amount of calculation. It involves black extending, the attach, a huge scale capturing race variation (which black wins by 1 liberty), etc. Without evidence, no one can say if he used A.I but I think Yang Dingxin has reasons to doubt him.

@@gorsang6535 Would be nice if Yang Dingxin also gave his reasoning. Accusations without evidence or reasoning are making him sound unhinged.

@@gorsang6535 thanks

Yes, saying you don't want to play against someone who admitted to cheating in the past is not defamation!

I'd say they are different. No butt plug!

Yeah, the jurisdictions are also completely different. I'm not sure how hard it is to prove defamation in Korea, but I would assume it's easier than in the US.

IDK about that lol. The Niemann game with Magnus didn't look suspicious, but his other games did. The fact that Niemann did cheat before admittedly makes his case a lot more glaring.

There isn't evidence of Li Xuanhao cheating clown

If steps are taken to exclude any possible communication with AI and he suddenly doesn't play nearly as much like an AI, that would be damning.

I mean I agree with you, but I see the other side as well. For extremely strong players, any information can help them. Like chess GMs talked about how all they need is a signal telling them whether there's a critical move or not, and they will definitely be able to find it if they knew there was one. Go is much more complicated, but they may still gain and advantage if there's some small amounts of info being given. That said, I really hope that it isn't the case that a top go player cheated.

@@YSFmemories Yes, it becomes very weird if even the most insignificant looking sign may influence the course of play. One then should make sure that during play no contact between players and any other human beings is possible, with the exception of the referee. It makes me think of contract bridge, where there is a screen across the table, and cards are used for any bidding information, no spoken messages anymore. And being slow on deciding may be suspicious too. So, thorough inspection, and total isolation it will be, with special arrangements for bathroom, food and drinks. Oh well, why not? In the meantime, smearing without proof should be a punishable offense, as the effect of it for the victims is very severe, more than a slap in the face.

@@paulbloemen7256 yeah, which is why I was, and still am completely against Magnus Carlsen. He was abusing his influence to ruin a person's life without proof. But if Yang Dingxin can go through with retirement in case he's wrong, then he's also risking himself, which makes it much more palatable for me.

My guy got them Go an*l beads

Since the invention of Alpha Go, the ecology of Go has undergone great changes. Almost all top Go players choose to play against artificial intelligence for training. The question people wonder is why a 27-year-old player who has no outstanding results can suddenly improve by leaps and bounds in the past six months. Of course, there is no evidence for all this. That's why another Go player, Yang Dingxin, bet on his career to verify whether Li Xuanhao cheated. For this situation, I respect it.

Well case closed then.

@@theworldofwoo8320 Lol

@@theworldofwoo8320 😄

tele is only fox 7d and he's wayyy too weak to tell how some moves are strange for 9p players. Li played too many surprising moves (that also matches AI move) for 9ps that were doing the commentary.

@@monosword1 It wasn't his commentary, but the AI showing lower than usual performance for SJS. Of course I have nothing but scorn and contempt for telegraphgo! . . . JUST KIDDING TELE, I LOVE YOUR STREAMS 😄

How sad. Just move on.

Unfortunate situation for sure. Perhaps if you become consistently stronger than him very soon he won’t be able to assume you cheated anymore. Especially if he talk during a review and you are able to explain your moves/ideas and point out where you think his mistakes were.

Like who specifically? This is just not really true.

@@babao1442 It's a common sentiment among many go fans, and even Ke Jie has alluded to it on his stream. It's not at the level of outright accusation. Just some suspicions based on his extreme dominance.

@@KaninTuzi Then Ke Jie backtracked/explained he was not accusing SJS at all of using AI. Perhaps it's something a minority of go fans feel, but it's not at all the same as being actually accused of cheating.

@@babao1442 Well, that's exactly what I'm saying, so we are in agreement. However, I hadn't heard of Ke Jie's backtracking. Thanks for bringing that up.