Who wouldn't want to run a jakl over a scar or mcx? Mike Jones that's Who lol. He's gotta pay for that tren somehow and that stuffs expensive
@edwardcoughlin19152 ай бұрын
Of?
@hopewilliams67052 ай бұрын
That's going to piss a bunch of people off lmao great job 👍
@murphykenji2 ай бұрын
@@Hiddencomment007his review wasn't exactly entirely glowing and to be fair, he didn't seem to have an out-of-spec rail, either.
@jakemenard2593Ай бұрын
So your whole video consisted of shit talking the rail and nothing else. You didn't shoot it or anything that would be a review of the rifles function. Apparently the mounting rail is not the huge issue that you devoted fifteen minutes to since every other review I've seen manages to mount their optic fine. You didn't review a damn thing you just bitched about the rail. You have no business refering to this as a review. I can't believe PSA even bothered to select you as someone to review the rifle for free.
@Mitsurugi24242 ай бұрын
I am a PSA fan, but I'm not a fanboy. That's unacceptable no matter the price of the gun. I really like when this kind of stuff gets called out. It saves the consumer money and problems. And, if the company is even halfway decent, it encourages them to do better moving forward. Let's hope they want to fix it. I want to keep liking PSA.
@DesertTactical2 ай бұрын
With ya 100%
@macroxx64762 ай бұрын
It should have never been released they do not care about you they just want your money.
@DealArtist8242 ай бұрын
@@macroxx6476 no, but they need to up their qc dramatically if they're sending out products this out of spec. I've heard of bad cera from them, but never experienced it, but this is unacceptable. -psa fan
@Mitsurugi24242 ай бұрын
@@macroxx6476 That's not true. They make a lot of good stuff. And a lot of good stuff for the price. Sure it's not DD or Geissele good, but it's still better than others in that price point. You're statement would be better applied to Sig stuff. This jakl has an out of spec Pic rail, but it took 4 generations of the MCX to have something reasonably accurate and reliable. And those guns cost anywhere from 2-3x what a Jakl does. Sig's 9mm version, the mpx, they stopped making the 8in versions because they were notorious for having minute of man accuracy. Even Sig shills and #1 fanboys MAC had these issues and admired the a cheap DI AR will be more reliable than an MCX. I often wonder about the disproportionate amount of hate some companies get, but I guess people who buy HK and Sig have more money than sense, and don't shoot enough to notice or care the stuff isn't that great. But poors, like me and you, are really annoyed when that $600-1200 gun doesn't work like it should because we had to save so long to be able to afford it.
@BarnDoor-won5ve2 ай бұрын
But that's the thing with psa; they don't learn and be better. There's stories like this to this day and have been since they started. At best, you get a 50/50 shot with them that you may get a decent product, or you may get this. The only reason they thrive is because they've become costco where they take back and exchange anything to keep their customers from rioting, and so people keep calling them a "good American company making American products for Americans" 🥴
@spartanpatriot31632 ай бұрын
As a Machinist of 30 years.004 is 4 states over from where you need to be.
@kekistanimememan170Ай бұрын
If your talking imperial that’s like 1mm of difference wtf we consider .25mm+- to generic easy tolerance to get
@spartanpatriot3163Ай бұрын
@@kekistanimememan170 exactly my point.
@TimPimentel3006Ай бұрын
@@kekistanimememan170 Huh??? You’re math isn’t mathing here 🤔
@ShortArmOfGodАй бұрын
.004" is 0.1 of a mm.
@exothermal.sprocket27 күн бұрын
Because it's steel or alloy, not marshmallow or rubber.
@mrbojangles41552 ай бұрын
As a tooling design engineer myself, I can confirm that 4 thousandths too small is a fricken MILE off unless you want to heat/shrink & press-fit to make a PERMANENT connection. Edit: it is also a dimension that the most basic, day-one shop class apprentice should be able to hit.
@rednecksniper47152 ай бұрын
Machinists would disagree with you. Hell I’ve made parts for school that required 2 tenths tolerance. 3-4 thou is a pretty big margin.
@dontworrybout26642 ай бұрын
@@rednecksniper4715you misread what he said
@radjamss63902 ай бұрын
@@rednecksniper4715 what were you making that required a two tenths tolerance or was that just for an exercise? What tool were you using? Just curious, I’m a machining guy myself.
@rednecksniper47152 ай бұрын
@@radjamss6390 can’t remember the tooling but we were making a handle for a hammer head we made the week before it was done on a haas CNC
@KinoTechUSA692 ай бұрын
@@radjamss6390I work for a job shop that makes parts for Wilson combat, we are +- .0005 on critical dimensions. Depending where it is .004 is huuuge.
@andy74108Ай бұрын
Rail is out of spec. I saved you 8 minutes.
@Salos1Ай бұрын
Cool thanks. And not even a concern for me since they have a lifetime warranty and will fix it when you send it in
@andy74108Ай бұрын
@@Salos1 yeah sounds like just a bad one. And yep good warranty.
@michaelsterling2650Ай бұрын
@@Salos1 yeah, too bad he started a war with PSA. KZfaq definitely pays more than PSA
@adampalmer3094Ай бұрын
@@andy74108eh seems to be a consistent problem with these guns
@nemisous83Ай бұрын
nothing a hand file cant fix
@warline6Ай бұрын
PSA: (Public Service Announcement) Former Aero/BA machinist here. That right there- is some guy, who hates his job, coming in for the 12 hour overnight shift. Touching off on the machine. Seeing the machine out of spec, confirming with QC- and choosing to literally NOT chase the tolerances for the evening. That’s what that is. “They pay me 18$/hr so I’m not chasing the tolerances tonight. Fuck THAT. Fuck this old ass MAZOK”
@rodiculous9464Ай бұрын
And that's exactly how they make the guns so cheap. They're the Amazon of guns. I bet they will soon have "crying booths" too
@Appalachia_ApeАй бұрын
Damn so that's why A🅱️oor decision and ballistic disadvantage stuff is the way it is?
@SD1AirsoftАй бұрын
Makes a lot of sense since Aero/BA has gone downhill a bit
@themightycrixus113120 күн бұрын
I have a an Aero/ BA Hanson build and have been loving it. Glides like butter
@jtj500214 күн бұрын
Are you the guy that used the tooling on the late just a little too long, resulting in the world's most over sized 1/2x28 thread of all time?
@ExpertOpinions8052 ай бұрын
At least you know they didn't cherry pick a review sample!
@DesertTactical2 ай бұрын
Imagine if they did… and just missed to check the pic rail… double standard there.
@tasmanianduval19312 ай бұрын
I was going to say, mine didn't seem to have any problems. Tolerances felt a little stiff at first, but after the first hundred rounds it feels smooth. My only gripe is that it's super easy to feild strip but getting the piston back in it's slot might take a couple minutes.
@stephen_crumley2 ай бұрын
It’s part of the design, they undersize the rail on purpose, that way when you decide which pic rail you’re gonna put your mount on, you can hand file the slot to fit the exact size of the fastener on your mount so there is no way the zero can shift. PSA is playing 4D chess 💯
@jasonsierchio11672 ай бұрын
This comment should be pinned
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15952 ай бұрын
Average PSA buyers aren’t that smart.
@bakedandsteaked2 ай бұрын
Had to do this on my PTR lol. Also prevents you from putting your QD magnifiers or whatever in the wrong slot when you go to reinstall.
@Chamdar172 ай бұрын
🤣
@tehmediasource2 ай бұрын
This is the most cope I’ve encountered in a minute…
@gleamtarrest63102 ай бұрын
PSA could send you 10 of the same rifles, each & every one would be completely different.
@AJ-xc4nm2 ай бұрын
That's just the reality of paying sub 1k for a Bren clone.
@SimplestUsername2 ай бұрын
I'll actually totally disagree with that. When PSA weapons has issues it's pretty consistent with every weapon off that assimbly line. I've looked into their mashining process, they're using top of the line stuff with above industry tolerances. Their issue is the tuning and input data. They crank out a ton of different products and they use their customers as beta testers then try to make it up to them with life time warranties.
@Chud97372 ай бұрын
@@AJ-xc4nmthe thing is they're not even sub 1k, they're $1300. I bought a used bren 2 for that price lol
@gleamtarrest63102 ай бұрын
@SimplestUsername ummm durp.. way to go mr. Mashine Shop.
@TrukkMunky2 ай бұрын
Almost like they have no quality control...
@FloorItDuh2 ай бұрын
As the machinist of your JAKAL I would like to formally apologize as I did not supervise my CNC machine and the CNC machine was drunk. Next time I will be sure to breathalyzer the machine prior to shift start.
@user-sk8io1dk5h2 ай бұрын
That is the response of all time.
@richcurren68882 ай бұрын
PSA coming for KelTec’s worst QC ever crown.
@juanguerrero91282 ай бұрын
Sir, your apology will only be accepted if you fix the problem(s) and do a BOGO sale on it plus a 25% price decrease for those folks who are in thight budget. 😝😅 0311🤘 SFMS
@jasonsierchio11672 ай бұрын
@@richcurren6888 BCA would like a word
@richcurren68882 ай бұрын
@@jasonsierchio1167 Oh Damn, shots fired
@MoonMoon-gu2ge2 ай бұрын
I love psa because of what they're trying to do. I hate that they keep absorbing other companies/assets so often that they're physically incapable of getting all their qc teams to be on the same page.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
They are like a Lovecraftian monster, with it's tendrils slowly enveloping the industry.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15952 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippThey’re the new Freedom Group.
@johnb.64682 ай бұрын
They need to start making cheap WW2 lugers
@bdkj3e2 ай бұрын
@@johnb.6468why?
@bookkeeper19952 ай бұрын
What they're trying to do is fleece the American consumer.
@Dingleberry18562 ай бұрын
School of the American Rifleman, TEMU edition.
@milesrost66742 ай бұрын
;) Cheers
@45Gunner5562 ай бұрын
Lol
@Az2FLАй бұрын
😂
@Tyler_K132 ай бұрын
Another blow to the elusive PSA QC department
@TCraig002 ай бұрын
What QC department? 😂
@RichardCranium3212 ай бұрын
Kel-Tec engineering dept: "did somebody say Blow?!?"
@RichardCranium3212 ай бұрын
For all PSA faults, I've never seen them ship out a barrel that had the gas port drilled at 3oclock position and also had a loose barrel extension... But Daniel Defense shipped it out to the customer who trusted DD so much he didn't inspect it either, he just drilled the dimple and installed it then wondered why it wouldn't cycle when the gas is slamming into the side of the gas block.
@BarnDoor-won5ve2 ай бұрын
@RichardCranium321 well, dd is another one thats had plenty of qc issues throughout the past 5-10 years. Not nearly as bad as psa but they slackin fo sho
@Tyler_K132 ай бұрын
@@RichardCranium321 I've never had a problem with the qc really, the only gripe I have is that somebody scratched the inside of my handguard while fitting it and it's sharp as shit, cut myself while looping a zip tie and had to tape over it cause I can't deburr it lol.
@SpiralOverlord2 ай бұрын
This is what we call an "oopsie doopsie" in the medical field.
@psyede3602 ай бұрын
my wife is a doctor and she LOL'd at this
@BarnDoor-won5ve2 ай бұрын
That's why it's called "practicing" medicine
@bradyb22332 ай бұрын
There are also a lot of "we don't know why". Might have something to do with the oopsies lol
@colby13982 ай бұрын
@@psyede360Ben Shapiro?
@aaronkinder28072 ай бұрын
Not to be confuse with an oopsie daisy. Totally different level of oops.
@DeskPop2 ай бұрын
I redesigned the upper to fix the overheating issue, it’s cool to see they’re using my new design. Downside is they wouldn’t send me one to test and improve further. I’d argue PSA is the only company to ever watch my review that, wasn’t positive btw, and then watch my follow up where I ghetto dremeled their upper and make actual changes to improve the design. I’m not a shill, I’m actually always complaining they will not send us anything, especially after my design corrections. You could’ve gotten a bad model man; QC over at PSA is likely done by stoners and that’s definitely a new batch due to the redesign of the handguard portion- did you reach out to them about it at all?
@NickBlazer-cf1vs2 ай бұрын
Deskpop! Dremel to the rescue. I saw it man!
@Timshady19862 ай бұрын
To be fair, FT thinks that anyone who isn't his channel is a schill especially if he receives a lemon. Out of a sample of one, and then edited out that GT said he wouldn't recommend it as anything other than a range toy.
@pablo4yu2 ай бұрын
I HATE STONERS THEY RUIN EVERYTHING!!!
@MrPatchesXXX2 ай бұрын
the thumb nail for your video literally says almost perfect and your quoted at the end of the video saying "the gun is really freaken-fantastic...my only gripe is it gets hot" but sure DeskShill lol
@MrPatchesXXX2 ай бұрын
you literally have almost perfect in your title and at the end of your video say the rifle is "like a dream gun is freaking-fantastic...the only gripe like i said was it gets really hot" lol...DeskShill how is that a non positive review
@jsk8drummer2 ай бұрын
The Garand Thumb shade seems oddly specific and almost personal.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Nah, just poking fun.
@cosmicvapor2 ай бұрын
"Good enough" for the "just as good" crowd.
@alfaalex1012 ай бұрын
To be fair, GT said he couldn’t give it a recommendation in good faith.
@rubbermyducky59982 ай бұрын
Trex arms said they couldn’t recommend it either. There’s very few gun tubers I listen to now.
@idontwanttoputmyname4032 ай бұрын
It’s been a while but I don’t think he recommends you *buy* the SCAR in its own video either given how high the price has gotten.
@pablo4yu2 ай бұрын
@@idontwanttoputmyname403dawg the scar is the greatest fighting rifle ever made. It’s perfect dont even put the jackL in the same paragraph as the scar😭 i own the 17 and 16 everything is to spec everything is supremely reliable and it will never fail. yes it should be 1k cheaper but its a military procurement rifle sadly they charge what they charge the government:(
@bradsanders88532 ай бұрын
@@pablo4yuno, it’s not.
@CertifiedBullpupHater2 ай бұрын
@@pablo4yu My brother in Christ, you are smoking something absolutely potent if you believe this
@Minuteman_Medic2 ай бұрын
But John, all my favorite guntubers who never make negative reviews said the JAKL is good to go!
@ModernTacticalShooting2 ай бұрын
Not me
@jamesbrisendine2 ай бұрын
Holy shit, a wild Jeff appeared!
@Chud97372 ай бұрын
@@ModernTacticalShootingbased and Jeff pilled
@rifleshooterchannel2082 ай бұрын
I only trust Sootch. Most honest guntuber in the business.
@Chud97372 ай бұрын
@@rifleshooterchannel208 lol
@TacticalToolbox2 ай бұрын
This made me curious, so I measured the pic rail on my JAKL and it came out to 0.205"-0.206" on all the slots, I also tested the same PLX scope mount and if fit perfectly. So I would send the upper back and request a replacement.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
No, I review the samples I have I don't wait till I have a good sample to give a positive review.
@michaelsterling26502 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippthats dumb
@joshuabruce99202 ай бұрын
@@michaelsterling2650No, it's realistic. If you're someone who doesn't have the time or patience to deal with something like that, you'd be better off buying elsewhere. A reasonably high likelihood of QC issues is part of the PSA experience so it'd be dishonest/disingenuous to not point it out.
@michaelsterling26502 ай бұрын
@@joshuabruce9920 let’s just say that this upper was literally one in a million. Do you think that this review would be prudent or representative? The implications were that all PSA Jackl uppers were out of spec. Could it have been that just that one was out of spec?
@ReticentIndignation2 ай бұрын
@@michaelsterling2650 The point is, how can you say? How can you "let's just say." If it were your money, at what point would you say, you know what, this is the 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th or 10th product that PSA makes and it doesn't work right out the box without issue? I'd be really upset if the damn pic rail wouldn't fit an optic...that's a stupid mistake.
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
My only advice to anyone novice or “ expert” is to inspect and tear down a weapon prior to use. When our military gets new service rifles in they don’t take them out of the box, slap a optic on it , label it and issue it. There is a process the armors go thru where each weapon is inspected before issue. It’s done to Colt and any other brand that comes on base prior to issue. Screws are checked and lock tight if needed, function check ect. Out of spec rifles that can be fixed are and done end up as rejects then sent back to the manufacture. There was a time where Colt had a 12% return rate and many times procurement would question a contract due to this. I try to tell everyone that CNC machining is only as accurate as the operator and the bit doing the cutting. Any deviation from that will result in tolerances being off. Again, would you hop on a sport bike right out of the showroom and do 70 mph around a corner ? No. And again I have seen Glocks, Sig a, Barettas, and even Barrett’s brought thru that have failed basic QC inspection. It happens and the proper way to clean up the issue is by contacting the company to make them aware of the issue.
@nopenope1342 ай бұрын
I can't imagine how fucking pissed I would be if I spent $1300 on a rifle that I couldn't mount an optic on. If this happened to me, I would get my money back and never buy a single thing from them again.
@PilotTedАй бұрын
Bro, it happens with every gun company, from the highest end to lowest end. With PSA, though, it's a known issue that their QC is bellow standard, though that is easily because they are significantly cheaper than everyone else, so they have to cut corners. No gun company checks every single part they manufacture, especially if they are mass producing, otherwise, it would grind production to a halt and cause the price to soar.
@kodiak796421 күн бұрын
You won't buy an LMT then
@8castrojuan82 ай бұрын
In GT’s video, he also recommends that an ar15 is a way better investment than the JAKL.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
And says to buy the Jakl 4 times.
@XenonLover522 ай бұрын
@@isaac6077you’re on the bitching side of the gun community. It’s on the opposite side of the fluff & sensationalist KZfaqrs.
@bigsmokeinlittlechina1742 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Did he? Im not a huge GT fan nor a fan of PSA. I disliked his review of MRO and how he overlooked many of its glaring issues nor do I own anything from PSA. But I decided to watch his video and he said 3 times to get an AR instead the JAKL. Maybe I missed it but the only time I could find of him saying to buy the JAKL was the one clip in your video were he said he'd get a JAKL over a Scar. I like your content, you don't seem like some one who is jealous or vindictive so the weird GT slander seems really out of place.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
@@bigsmokeinlittlechina174 I don't have a problem with GT. I am making fun of him for being far too soft on a mediocre/bad system. We talked and he has much thicker skin than a lot of his followers. You can listen to the video, where he says he loves it, says to buy one if you have an AR, says to buy it over like 6 other guns.
@bigsmokeinlittlechina1742 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp That's a lot of fair criticism, which I am inclined to agree with, but were was that in the video? I could unironically see a PSA/GT fans coping with, "As long as I get one of the "good" JAKLs, I'm fine." You clearly have a lot more to say about it as a platform, and I would have loved to watch you tear it apart. You say that GT ignores a bunch of issues with the JAKL, but you failed to mention any.
@corycarlson87122 ай бұрын
I have a ton of respect for this guy for speaking the truth. So Fing refreshing.
@dogevanzandt28892 ай бұрын
He's one of the best
@merlin7042 ай бұрын
Agreed and glad I picked up one of John's MK3 uppers. I've had it over a year and its been solid AF. Got around 3k rounds through it.
@TankUSA2 ай бұрын
100%
@juanguerrero91282 ай бұрын
Sir just say Fucking on "so fing refreshing". If anyone in this section has a problem with the word fuck they shouldn't own a weapon. 😂🤣😂🤣
@angryveteran85852 ай бұрын
So you're saying a PSA product had a QC issue? Shocking news indeed lol. I'd imagine there's a whole batch of JAKLs that are like that.
@PureCountryof912 ай бұрын
Yeeep. and as I stated, this is a mk3 iteration.. technically 4th if we count pistol
@ReelDonaldTrump2 ай бұрын
You put that scope mount on about as genuinely as OJ tried putting on the glove in the courtroom.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
They don't fit and the pins don't lie.
@mikeiso8963Ай бұрын
Oj still catching strays in hell 😂
@DR-Hon2 ай бұрын
I don’t if this exactly fair my friend has one and his both in spec and accurate and Mike has bombed on psa a couple of times when the product he got was bad. From Mike’s own lips he says he can’t trust the jakL simply because it’s untested and PSA QC has bad track record
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
He says to buy it 3 or 4 times, and says it's better than many other proven rifles.
@CertifiedBullpupHater2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippHis was…what’s your point?
@Zel_eo2 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity, I grabbed the two most common replies from FT. "The shilling worked" / "He also said to buy it 3 or 4 times and that it was better than many proven rifles" I am a lawyer by trade and really have an autistic itch for when people make arguments on bullshit half truths. So let's break this down. 1) At 3:49 in the GT video he states that, because of his currents sponsorship with AAC "I don't feel comfortable calling this a review". This video was his overview of the 2 jakl rifles he had shot at the time. 2) From 13:40 - 13:58 he plainly states, "The question about should I buy XYZ instead of an AR-15 goes to many different guns. That goes to many different guns; Bren 2, Scar L, CZ 805. There are ton of different firearms that offer a flavor different from the AR-15, and almost universally on this channel, we are going to say buy yourself an AR-15." Multiple times in this video he tells the viewer to buy an AR-15 INSTEAD of anything else as it will be more reliable and serviceable. 3) Furthermore, from 17:26 - 17:55 GT DOES point out something YOU should have. This is a small sample size, in your case one and in his two. However, he actually owns up to that fact. To quote, "I do find it to be a very reliable system. The one kind of caveat to that, is that we only have a sample size of two...It's hard to say if this is truly a combat rated weapon. My gut instinct tells me that this definitely needs more vetting and that's something that we can't do in the short amount of time we have had the weapon." 4) For final context, GT breaks down the issues facing many of these types of guns and that he cannot recommend a gun from "just his opinion" as it needs vetting from multiple sources. This occurs from 22:19 - 24:32. I will give you the benefit of doubt and say that you are being very very disingenuous when trying to paint GT as a shill. Maybe you cherry picked the video in order to support a lie, or maybe you just skipped over sections and did not get full context...I hope it is the latter. Either way, you clearly have some sort of motive / or bias guiding your actions in this video. I do not know if you are rage baiting or just angry at GT / Leviathan. The better and more neutral thing to have done would be, make a video explaining your issues with the QC from PSA, inform PSA about said issues, and show EVERYONE who might encounter this issue how the customer service was handled. Sometimes you get a lemon, this is why warranties exist.
@aceambling76852 ай бұрын
Pipe down Jew, nobody wants to hear your pilpul
@Kolsev7 күн бұрын
Weird that this comment didn't get any attention from FT but all the ones shitting on PSA did.
@addmix3 күн бұрын
You're using logic on a video dedicated to hate, good luck man. This channel just has it out for PSA
@Zel_eo3 күн бұрын
@@addmix Hate to say it, but you might be right. =/
@addmix3 күн бұрын
@@Zel_eo not to sound entirely dismissive of the criticisms, but this channel wouldn't be popular if the videos were about "reportedly, 5% of rifles from PSA has serious quality control issues that required replacement parts to fix"
@brewer63382 ай бұрын
Bro just has a little beef with GT I guess… im not saying you’re wrong the JACKAL is a bit over hype and is definitely not specked correctly. Trex Arms had some major problems with the system as well. Gt however, did not recommend getting it as a fighting rifle. You didn’t include that for some reason?
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I like GT. he also said buy it like 4 times but stopped just short of saying it was combat ready.
@brewer63382 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp fair point man, I won’t argue it it’s been too long since I’ve seen the video. I just know that there are definitely problems with the system and that’s the big thing. Good review other than the shilling slander😂
@marcusfanning75132 ай бұрын
@@brewer6338 he is a shill tho
@MrCooper89Ай бұрын
@@marcusfanning7513Do you have proof of that?
@MrCooper89Ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp"I like GT" Pretty hard to believe that when you literally implied he's a paid shill. Even utilizing his face on the thumbnail of a video about YT personalities being sellout.
@EvanDickersonM812 ай бұрын
Please do not insult my airsoft replicas like that, I've never had a rail that out of spec before 😅
@ronwilliams3292 ай бұрын
After watching this, I pulled out the JAKL and fitted 7 different mounts on the rail w/o a single issue. Any videos of Geissele rails out of spec? I have one right here that has the last 3 positions out of spec but it's going to be used anyway. Believe me, I understand, it's PSA!
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
but is the entire rail out of spec? also, on the JAKL this is the only way to mount an optic.
@ronwilliams3292 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Naah. Just the final 3 positions. But hardly a soul would doubt Geissele but actually this is more common of an issue that folks think it is - just not noticed that much - and more commonly found at the start of the machining process. Your's from PSA is an example of what is most likely a CNC that has a bad tool or bad prep. It could have produced an entire bad run before it was discovered (provided it was discovered). 2 hopefuls - a. PSA makes good on this and lets you start again. b. This issue was discovered before a 500-1000 were produced. Love the JAKL and fun to shoot, but it's not a weapon that I would have taken to Iraq or Afghanistan with me.
@iansalmond7262 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Could easily be a old/worn bit. That's why it was bad all the way down. Should have been caught. Use your warranty. P.S. I also have a Geissele out of spec. Still think it's a good product.
@kalibrateddrift2 ай бұрын
@iansalmond726 damn you guys, you got me pulling out my Geissele and checking specs. Lol
@iansalmond7262 ай бұрын
@@kalibrateddrift Ha! I love my Geissele rail. It just has one section that is out. I had to check it. All my optics fit but 2.
@toddk13772 ай бұрын
It was in this moment they knew...they f***** up....😂
@DesertTactical2 ай бұрын
🤣🤣
@highdesertdrew18442 ай бұрын
I get the feeling they machined this to the correct dimension, but didn't take the build-up after type 3 anodize into consideration, which can add about .002-.003" to each dimension. This is why the spec allows +.008". I've had to have some fun conversations with people who looked at my drawing and thought a + or - were the same as +/- (fixed line though)
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
sure, I will let you theorize who screwed upl.
@eldrickzod69802 ай бұрын
I have seen this on front pins the build up was to thick.
@ramentaryramblings2 ай бұрын
yeah, it's not uncommon to slather it up excessively to ensure complete coating, especially with small undercuts in the pic rail like that on the bottom angle so I'm not surprised it's over anodized
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippthe same defense contractor who anodized many colt M4s and FNs .. if you knew how the anodizing process works you would realize an extra 30 seconds in the tank will cause a tolerance gain of up to .003 or more. All it takes is a yawn or sneeze to look away from the machine
@highdesertdrew18442 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Understanding the processes in order to rapidly figure out the underlying problem is what people usually hire me for. Freelancing in the gun world ends up diagnosing a lot of weird processes.
@Nave6WАй бұрын
Pretending not to be able to mount optics was comical.
@mwam19852 ай бұрын
For $200 more you can get the Bren 2.
@Falkstrom2 ай бұрын
it’s got its own problems
@Timshady19862 ай бұрын
@@Falkstrom Not as many. Lol
@mwam19852 ай бұрын
@@Falkstrom I haven't found any, however I wasn't comparing it to the JakL when I bought it, but rather the FN SCAR 15P (I got the 8" BREN 2).
@silentstryker15902 ай бұрын
That's what I'd go with.
@Exandria2 ай бұрын
Or an arak 21: what the jakl is an actual clone of. ARAK is cheaper and better. And the QC of faxon.
@winwood98072 ай бұрын
8 minutes of the pic rails out of spec, Really. How does the thing run?
@davidsirmons2 ай бұрын
Exactly. Who GAF about rails? Anyone with 2 cents of accessory motivation would replace it the day it arrives.
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
@@davidsirmonsit’s the coating that’s a bit too thick. We had issues years ago working on the 1913 project. This guy apparently knows a bit about the specs but fails to say anything about the coating. The Stab at GT only makes the review look stupid
@mtnbound27642 ай бұрын
hard to tell if you cant mount optics. you have to get past step 1 to get to step 2.
@mtnbound27642 ай бұрын
@@davidsirmons the rail is part of the upper which is basically the whole gun.
@ravenwing1992 ай бұрын
@@mtnbound2764Then send it back and say to PSA what's wrong. Then you can throw this in at the end of a proper review where you find out the JAKL is terrible or good.
@brokenbullets52762 ай бұрын
No matter which manufacturer you buy from, bad product is bound to slip through the door occasionally. I'm sure if this were a consistent issue, the internet would be a buzz.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
the shilling worked.
@brokenbullets52762 ай бұрын
@FocusTripp I don't buy; I print.🙅♂️
@ramentaryramblings2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippno, it's called there are slip ups. if your saying this is shilling then your not only calling Mike a shill (which honestly is deserved) but your also calling brass facts a shill. since he could mount an optic on his *just fine* and I know for a fact Brock is not a shill for PSA like that. this review is really off the rockers man.
@iansalmond7262 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Just because people don't agree with you they are now Shills. That's messed up. How about they didn't have a problem. Or they did more research into the company and identified why they have bad QC. Or many other reasons. Either way, bad form.
@bastardfish_2 ай бұрын
PSA has constant issues with the QC of their products.
@Bojangles62 ай бұрын
You spent 8 minutes telling us it has an out of spec rail. Show us on the doll where psa hurt you.
@Chud97372 ай бұрын
^Average PSA copetard^
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
The customers time and wallet.
@xi-deadshot-ix58382 ай бұрын
Everyone that gets a psa that has a flaw cries like it molested them their entire childhood.😂 DD has shipped rifles that didn’t even cycle out of the box and it’s a “duty” weapon 2-3x the price of anything psa makes… This guy is crying when he didn’t even pay for the damn thing. “Oh but the customers”. Yeah make a warranty claim and it’ll be fixed free of charge. Name a single company that mass produces anything that’s never had faulty products slip through QC. I’ll wait. Even Q, a “boutique” gun manufacturer has had things slip through QC and they do not manufacture/produce at scale.
@jasonsierchio11672 ай бұрын
@@xi-deadshot-ix5838 excuse us people who want to buy something and have the expectation that it's going to work... smh... that's the problem with this country... everyone is accepting mediocrity over greatness , good enough is just fine... fuck that...
@xanderpord21092 ай бұрын
Guess who recently bought a JAKL😂😂😂
@andrewbear10572 ай бұрын
Watching this guy try to mount a scope to the Jakl is like watching those inept people in infomercials.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Should have done it in black and white slow mo
@jakemenard2593Ай бұрын
That's literally all that the "review" was.
@Mr.Bonez2GoАй бұрын
Lol
@stevenkennedy41302 ай бұрын
Focus Tripp, doing Gods work for the 2A community! Thanks again!!
@PureCountryof912 ай бұрын
Well. Thats unfortunate. Im still.not getting rid of mine. Ive had it since well before the Garand Thumb video. This is inexcusable though. A 40 year old spec and they failed it
@DesertTactical2 ай бұрын
Im with you on that 100%
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
If yours are working, there is no reason to swap.
@PureCountryof912 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp facts. I'm just pissed for you, it's a mk3 in every sense. This is ridiculous
@ColeDedhand2 ай бұрын
I understand ripping into PSA for this meme-level fail in basic qc, but insulting every PSA buyer is petty and counterproductive. First time I've ever td one of your videos.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Everybody's catching shots out here.
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
PSA needs to be addressed for their QC issues. While I personally own a few Jakls as well as their ARs they are notorious for non lock tight screws. I have contacted them at least twice reguarding the issue. It might be the wrong way to go about it calling out other tubers yes. I would have made a video of the issue and then another on the process of working with the company to see if customer service was good. I never had an issue with customer service but I did warn them that someone in the assembly process was asleep at the wheel and they better inspect the screw drop boxes to see if those screws are coated red/ blue with lock tight
@elterga62242 ай бұрын
PSA buyers are cheapskates, I should know because I used to be one. I’ve bought a Taurus G3C (absolute dogshit) and a Springfield st Victor II (not great) just because they were the cheaper option, if I had just saved up a couple hundred bucks more, I could’ve afforded something substantially better in both cases. Buying the cheapest bullshit just keeps the producers of said bullshit in business when they should fail because their product sucks. You vote with your money, remember that.
@nalydewoh30192 ай бұрын
@@elterga6224brother. Psa buyers could also be new to the gun industry. Could be 18 yr olds looking for their first Ar, one they can just get comfortable with before deciding to spend a thousand or 2. Hell they don’t even have to be young. It could just be their intro into rifles. You act like there isn’t HUNDREDS of Psa ar torture tests on KZfaq. Gt ran the cheapest one they offer suppressed AND FULL AUTO and it held at least 2 moa up to like 2.5k rounds, with maybe 1 or 2 malfunctions. Just because they undoubtedly have issues, making them absolutely not high quality, doesn’t meant you’re just a cheapskate for buying it. And at the end of the day. If they’re a better shot, they’re a better shot, no rifle is gonna fix that. buy a 700-800 dollar rifle, and save that extra 500-600 for ammo, and actually get good.
@elterga62242 ай бұрын
@@nalydewoh3019 did you not read my comment? My first two guns were absolute dogshit and I bought them because they were the cheapest offerings. Sure, some guns are built well, but for every 10 good guns that go out the door, a bad one follows with em. Also I wouldn’t trust garandthumb for reasons outlined in the video. He is literally sponsored by them, of course he’s not going to give a bad review. The idea that people are going to buy a 700 dollar gun and spend the same amount on ammo is complete bs, it’s not like you can only buy ammo once. You can have your cake and eat it to because you get paid more than once lol. If you spend your money somewhere else, these companies have to either ramp up quality or go out of business, either way the consumer benefits. I’d rather companies not rely on accuracy through volume and just send a reliable quality offering. Besides, if poor people are buying these, chances are they won’t spend too much on ammo and likely won’t train all that much, then when they need to use it, they’re screwed if it sucks from the factory.
@MysticMungusSlungus2 ай бұрын
Leviathan be Leviathaning
@DeskPop2 ай бұрын
Leviathan doesn’t work with PSA…
@MysticMungusSlungus2 ай бұрын
@@DeskPop Any proof that they didn't have deals in place for 6 advertisements (I mean reviews) on GT? There are tons of companies that create garbage, but only one of them has half a dozen reviews on GT's channel. PSA is under the same umbrella as AAC, which directly sponsors GT.
@DeskPop2 ай бұрын
@@MysticMungusSlungus the way things work, is that there needs to be evidence that something occurred, or it did not. I’m telling you, with first hand knowledge; as a KZfaqr who’s signed with leviathan and still works full time and edits for/knows many other signed by them; that you have no clue how leviathan works. And everyone here who knows us will back that I sure as shit am honest on my channel when we get money for anything.
@MysticMungusSlungus2 ай бұрын
@@DeskPop I'm not questioning your reviews, so there is no need to bring that up. Working as a contractor for a company, doesn't mean you know everything about the company. Just because my friend works for Bank of America doesn't mean he knows all the details of the inner workings of BofA. I doubt Leviathan is making major corporate decisions and they say, "Hey, hang on, let's get Desktop on the phone to see what he has to say about this deal. He's a low-level contractor for us, so it only make sense that we share all our business dealings with him".
@charlesm.27562 ай бұрын
@@DeskPopinsisting that a marketing agency doesn't take money from businesses, for the specific purpose of making their products look good, is incredibly disingenuous...or foolish. Sure, maybe the "talent" doesn't take the money directly from the manufacturer, which allows them to state in the video that they weren't paid by the manufacturer. But that's how this game is played and there's big money floating around this industry. For anyone to claim otherwise is, again, incredibly disingenuous. Leviathan wouldn't exist if there wasn't money changing hands...nor would you be a member of the "tribe" if there wasn't money in it for you. And there's nothing wrong with making a living. People understand that and generally don't have a problem with it...until they start getting told there's no money involved or someone starts giving BS reviews for obviously crap products.
@Whitefeather832 ай бұрын
This is absolutely why I'm so cautious about giving my money to psa Because of their hit-and-miss QC. Been burned once already
@DesertTactical2 ай бұрын
You and I both…
@wolfgang_h3t2 ай бұрын
Everyone has, wether they care or not
@Clockwork0nions2 ай бұрын
Good news is they have a lifetime warranty on all their products and will ship you new ones 🤷♂️
@Whitefeather832 ай бұрын
@@Clockwork0nions Well, they didn't take care of me on my issue. So their warranty is pointless based on my experience
@Banned_and_RedactedАй бұрын
what did you get burned on?
@ShellShock7942 ай бұрын
This is inexcusable but Garand Thumb straight up said he couldn't recommend buying it in good faith for anything other than a range toy
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Did you watch his video? he said to buy it like 4 times.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15952 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippI only watched it once when it dropped, but what I remember was, buy it for fun/something different, but for a duty rifle buy an AR.
@godlikemachine6452 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp why are you so angry about GT that you would spit out so many white lies? are you really that jealous? You should touch grass.
@JakeNBake00212 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripphe said he can’t recommend it as a service rifle because it hasn’t been battle proven… are you really that stupid? Not surprising since you decided to call basically any other channel that gave a positive review of the gun “shills” instead of just highlighting the poor quality version they sent you. Low level gun tubers gotta generate views somehow I guess🤡
@phoenixaries31472 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp lol cope
@washingtoncommandcenter55412 ай бұрын
Nobody, GT included takes the Jakl seriously, but you're gonna get a nice engagement boost from his likeness/character attack, so you should probably thank him. Not sure you want to expand your reach to the 2A community with CNN-level clip cherry-picking but good luck.
@terrarecon2 ай бұрын
That's my take as well. SMH
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Did you watch his video?
@washingtoncommandcenter55412 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Yeah, did you? because I never got the idea he recommended it for serious use. Jakl > Scar was more of a shot at the Scar than a recommendation of the Jakl. Up Front kzfaq.infoUgkxr12DqaIgjVRaWTc6jsUOL27wRJZcMwy1?si=oty_27aJq4MmudCd Ar >JAkl kzfaq.infoUgkxlrowyzzJ8RxNvZT8NGzUKem8uTw2FQDy?si=GEaoyUtvnhhF6zQr More Vetting kzfaq.infoUgkxQAywGs9DQWWmWiO7yJID0q1eJhxWGWBK?si=O_z3OBu2BhfmS-nW Hard to recommend for serious use kzfaq.infoUgkxZn8Yokg10nbmHMCir2OqX0pWY3swKAz9?si=eTi_dIlq-bY0gNea Ar15 > Jakl Again kzfaq.infoUgkxuKlwGJMsvlMY5hPPGQx8ShIVfRmroxHX?si=Ka1vw29-REs2jL1J
@washingtoncommandcenter55412 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp Yes I watched the video. I thought his Jakl>Scar comment was more a shot at the more expensive Scar than an endorsement of Jakl. I thought he was pretty clear that he didn't/couldn't recommend it for serious use. Up Front kzfaq.infoUgkxr12DqaIgjVRaWTc6jsUOL27wRJZcMwy1?si=oty_27aJq4MmudCd Ar >JAkl kzfaq.infoUgkxlrowyzzJ8RxNvZT8NGzUKem8uTw2FQDy?si=GEaoyUtvnhhF6zQr More Vetting kzfaq.infoUgkxQAywGs9DQWWmWiO7yJID0q1eJhxWGWBK?si=O_z3OBu2BhfmS-nW Hard to recommend for serious use kzfaq.infoUgkxZn8Yokg10nbmHMCir2OqX0pWY3swKAz9?si=eTi_dIlq-bY0gNea Ar15 > Jakl Again kzfaq.infoUgkxuKlwGJMsvlMY5hPPGQx8ShIVfRmroxHX?si=Ka1vw29-REs2jL1J
@natem1334Ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I watched the whole thing. He didn't get a lemon, yet in his conclusion he still wouldn't recommend it over any typical AR. I love most of your content, but it sure looks like you're trying to farm drama clicks. You made a heel of Mike here. Not sure he really deserves that.
@diegoflores34082 ай бұрын
I mean in garandthumbs defense the PSA jackal may be dogshit but the scar is just as dogshit for $4000+
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I don't really care what POS is less stinky than another POS
@godlikemachine6452 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp But that's the context in which GT was talking about? Let me guess, you think Trump said he grabs women by the pvssy too?
@Barnes-ml9wg2 ай бұрын
@@godlikemachine645imagine dick riding GT
@wolfgang_h3t2 ай бұрын
That's a huge fucking cope lmao.
@DakotaTheRotaАй бұрын
@@FocusTripp That's what he recommend it over dumb dumb, that you keep getting ratio'd about in the comments.
@sladeoriginal2 ай бұрын
Its just like the dagger, a clone of picatinny. Missed it by thaaaaat much. Thaaaaat much in machining might as well be a country mile.
@Hiddencomment0072 ай бұрын
Psa is only good for ammo
@Mitsurugi24242 ай бұрын
What's wrong with the daggers? I have owned a couple, and they have all been gtg. Genuinely curious. I like PSA because I have had good experiences, but I don't defend bad QC.
@megumiaki22442 ай бұрын
@@Mitsurugi2424 This is definitely well beyond bad QC
@JC-gs3br2 ай бұрын
@@megumiaki2244what exactly do you think this is? It's quite literally bad QC 😂
@wolfgang_h3t2 ай бұрын
@@Hiddencomment007Their ammo is specifically the most questionable. Their fmj 5.56 was killing suppressors
@millll111lllI2 ай бұрын
The good machinists in Columbia SC are across the street at FN
@Sam_Falcon422 ай бұрын
SHITS GOING DOWNN LETS GOOOO! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@viriathas9910Ай бұрын
This is a big reason why a lot of people like military rifle clones or civilian variants made by military contractors. The tolerances are all correct, the platforms are usually proven, and top engineers/machinists are working the production lines.
@VintageWarfare2 ай бұрын
Fun fact that Northtac mat has one of my first rifles in the picture 💀 (I use to work there)
@dustanbrd2 ай бұрын
I feel like you are over reacting I know 3 people no issues. Optic mounted fine one has a EOtech with magnifier one with primary arms lpvo other with a vortex. Just get it replaced they have a warranty for this reason
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
the shilling worked.
@godlikemachine6452 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp LOL. You're obviously biased for one reason or another. what a baby.
@elterga62242 ай бұрын
Would you buy ammo knowing that it would cause your gun to malfunction every 100 rounds, or would you buy the ammo that would fail every 1000 rounds? Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal and not substantive to the raw data, and the raw data is saying far more people are having issues than they should.
@philbuckhannon42012 ай бұрын
@@elterga6224 good point. Where is the raw data? Would be fun to run some analysis on it independently.
@elterga62242 ай бұрын
@@philbuckhannon4201 it’s raw data, meaning you have to go find it. There’s no shortage of complaints about it, google is your friend :)
@elterga62242 ай бұрын
Came for the PSA slander, stayed for the GT slander 😂
@cardboard_shaft2 ай бұрын
he literally said he didn’t recommend it in his video lmfao
@CupidChud2 ай бұрын
@@cardboard_shaft making fun of guntubers is easy likes for people that want to lool "different"
@cardboard_shaft2 ай бұрын
@@CupidChud “look at how against the grain i am 😎😎”
@elterga62242 ай бұрын
@@cardboard_shaft he said you should buy it multiple times 😂
Thanks for your channel man, much needed and very refreshing.
@WhiteLeviathan2 ай бұрын
None of the big guntubers toutes this gun as a fantastic and fully fleshed out replacement for what consumers are already buying (the ar-15). Many of them considered it a fun new range toy if you had money to spend on it, and that was pretty much it.
@DTFTACTICAL2 ай бұрын
Maybe thickness of coating?? Either way I just use a standard ar
@DetroitDan03232 ай бұрын
Anodizing thickness does not add that much
@DTFTACTICAL2 ай бұрын
@@DetroitDan0323 I don't think there anodized I think it's ceramic coating
@spehhhsssmarineer89612 ай бұрын
@@DTFTACTICAL Website says anodized.
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
Anodizing if done incorrectly adds .002 to .004 which will throw off the 1913 rail optic mounting
@parkerbryanl2 ай бұрын
Integrity ❤
@washingtoncommandcenter55412 ай бұрын
This has that Huffpo/CNN "Very fine people " type of integrity
@PilotTedАй бұрын
I worked as a CNC machine operator for around 2 years, so here is what I think. PSA is known for having QC issues, but that is probably why their prices are so low. They cut corners in terms of QC checks, which is a very expensive and time consuming thing when it comes to mass production of products. It's simply impossible to mass produce something while also doing QC checks on every part, so instead, the vast majority of companies check every so often. For the company I worked for, it depended on what the client wanted. If the client had a strict tolerance guideline, we would check 3-6 times a day, depending on how strict. If they had a lax tolerance guideline, we would check 2 times a day. Some were so strict, we checked nearly half the parts that were made. We never checked all though. Every time we checked a part on a machine that wasn't automatically loaded and unloaded, it would mean production was halted, which means no profit. QC checks can take anywhere between a few minutes, to even an hour or more depending on how complex the part was and how strict the client was on QC. What does this mean? Every company that mass produces will have bad parts that make it through. When you have an issue with PSA, they immediately fix it free of charge. Of course your going to run into more QC issues with PSA, its a given with any cheap mass producer. I do think they should step up their game when it comes to QC checks, but that of course, means they would have to increase their prices. I don't really buy from PSA all that much, actually, I have only purchased firearm parts from them once, and they worked fine for my cheap trash blasting AR upper. My guess on what happened, is the endmill or key cutter they used for cutting the slots was undersized since you said every slot was out of spec. Only real explanation I can think of, could be who ever operated the CNC machine that made that part put in the wrong bit when changing it out for what ever reason. My worry, is there is more uppers with this same issue, as if this one made it past, it typically means a few more did as well till they discovered what happened. Still, many other youtubers who received this seemed to have no issue, you could have just been unlucky.
@hyphydanАй бұрын
Made in USA=Made by illegal immigrants.
@ReticentIndignation2 ай бұрын
This is why I just buy their lowers. Even more reason to be conscientious of their products and which ones are purchased...Thank you Jonathan.
@Mr_CleanАй бұрын
Yeah but why even give them that money? They use their customers as guinea pigs to find out what's wrong with their products. If you're just looking for a bare bones cheap lower get Anderson.
@rahealharisshabbir2 ай бұрын
Where is the rest of the review?
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Oh it's coming
@d3adlyz3bra2 ай бұрын
someone seems salty they didnt get the good QC freebie lol
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Mine isn't important, what is important is the 40 floating around in the wild.
@techasatool45622 ай бұрын
The follow up videos are going to make my week with all the guntuber / PSA fanboys seething in the comments.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
It'll be a good time.
@Fr3d6712 ай бұрын
PSA being PSA, 60% of the time, they're good every time 😎
@j.bridges29212 ай бұрын
T.Rex Arms had the barrel come loose after like 300 rounds. These things are garbage.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
but but but.
@Centipede_Solaire2 ай бұрын
my problem with the GT review was that he waited until the very end to say he still wouldn't recommend it yet. its front loaded so heavily with positivity, im sure many PSA viewers who were already interested in the Jakl did not watch 25 minutes into the video to hear Mike say that
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
He also said to buy it 3 or 4 times and that it was better than many proven rifles.
@Centipede_Solaire2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp valid facts king
@godlikemachine6452 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp he said he'd buy it over the SCAR, a rifle that costs 3x as much. how is that crazy?
@GreatLoner2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp The SCAR is overpriced for what it is.
@bdkj3e2 ай бұрын
@@GreatLonerit's overpriced because they were aiming for gov contracts.
@perochialjoeАй бұрын
You found an upper with a messed up rail and you want to act like this is a nail in the coffin for a company and a KZfaqr who you hate? You might want to consider your own biases first before you start trying to call other people's integrity into question.
@TheDuppyman2 ай бұрын
Focus always keeping it real. Thanks man
@chicorodriguez39642 ай бұрын
I've been a tool maker and machinist for a very long time now I don't exactly run production parts but I do make tools that are for running production parts from all the videos I've seen on the poor specs of psa products I've come to the conclusion that nobody at pas has ever had experience in the production or machine industry before they started there company I'm pretty sure the main problem is they have no idea of tool bit life the big places that run aerospace parts only cut so many parts with that particular cutting bit (mostly endmills) before tool bit change is required doing this helps keeps tolerance on your parts the other thing is the CNC mills need to be ran through a backlash program regularly if there QC department had any knowledge of what they were doing they would know this remember people your parts are only as good as your machines and tools they should hire me to manage their QC program it would change their reputation big time
@iansalmond7262 ай бұрын
I also think it's a bit life issue. I also think we are seeing a bunch of different issues. One of the main ones is they are adding a bunch of companies to their portfolio. It's hard to integrate small companies and not change them too much. I also know firsthand they are bringing in people who are "creating cool guns". They don't have strong machinist backgrounds. They are also trying to make them affordable. They have lifetime warranties for a reason. There are a bunch of other reasons. I know a guy they brought on to design a gun. He has strong opinions about PSA People just need to understand what they are buying. If they have an issue.....use the warranty.
@philbuckhannon42012 ай бұрын
You sound like you know what you're talking about (former design and quality engineer for a large Aero company here). The thing though is if you implement Aerospace manufacturing methods you get Aerospace prices (and quality to be fair). I think they do know what they are doing, it's just not for everyone. Some folks are okay with returning products if they have to if they get something that doesn't work for them and if the company has a warranty that allows them to do that then it works out for them in the end. It's not the way I like to purchase gear but I'm not spending the money of the guy next to me either.
@iansalmond7262 ай бұрын
@@philbuckhannon4201 I think the real issue is that, because their prices are so low, they are getting buyers who this is their first gun. They dont know how to check over everything to make sure it's good. Their is reason the higher end brands are charging what they are. It's not to overcharge their customers. People have know idea what it's like to manufacture products. Add on top of it pre and post product sales service while adding and updating existing lines. It's rough. I also tell my buddies. If your going to buy one gun, spend the money. If you are going to have multiples, that changes things.
@SimplestUsername2 ай бұрын
I've watched and read a ton of Jakl reviews and I'm surprised that this is the first time I've heard of this issue. I'm wondering if this is a new mashining error.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I wonder why they didn't mention it?
@godlikemachine6452 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp probably because they didn't have this problem? Think harder.
@CertifiedBullpupHater2 ай бұрын
@@godlikemachine645Woah there. Critical thinking isn’t something we do here buddy
@iansalmond7262 ай бұрын
It's widely know the PSA has little QC. They have a business model that favors price and quantity. They offer lifetime warranties knowing people will have issues. Saying that PSA stuff is garbage isn't true either. Many People have great experiences with them. You need to understand what they are. I know a few people who have JAKL's and love them. It's a range toy mostly. I wouldn't hesitate buying one as a second gun. But I'd test the heck out of it. If there where issues get it warrantied.
@SimplestUsername2 ай бұрын
@@iansalmond726 odd, I basically said this exact same thing but I suppose youtube removed my post.
@SD1AirsoftАй бұрын
I applaud PSA for vastly improving their QC over the years. Hopefully by next year they'll actually have their QC process ready for the mass market!
@rugbythefireplaceАй бұрын
I don’t get it, Grandthumb said it wasn’t a review, he also didn’t recommend it…. Finally I’ve had seen some shit QC from Eotech, Daniel Defense, Colt, etc. The tone in this video is just kinda shit…. Did you check more than one, you shouldn’t have to but this seems to be a use case of one.
@JoeWayne842 ай бұрын
Be interesting to see how common it is with these guns sure is a lot of them on the internet with optics mounted to them??? They obviously dont have the QC department of a gun company that has been around for 40+ years that is known. Does this guy have a conflict of interest selling ARs against PSA??? I’m just curious most people would have called a company right away they got a new gun and there expensive scope mount won’t attach to pic rail … should it happen?? Hell no but things happen I’m sure that is all CNC milled and the bits where out of tollerance on that one and you’d rather it be tight than loose so it’s a fine line … one employee whose job it is to run that process could be having a bad day and not checking the uppers as well as he should and if your making hundreds of these a day and assembling thousands your not going to go through and gauge ever pic slot on every gun they prob do random lot inspections. They are building them in the US and I can only imagine the trouble in finding good employees 100% of the time and sales people aren’t QC people so one bad QC guy on his way out the door could really skunk some stuff up. Prob should of sent them the gun back and had them send you another one could still make the video showing people but for sure PSA makes rails that have correct PIC specs … People would be very surprised to know that every manufacturer sends out guns with out of spec pic rails occasionally… AR15 forums I’ve seen this a lot over the years Steyr, Sig , IWI etc… one thing for sure is every manufacturer will replace the rail for you just contact them I’m sure PSA would do the same.
@mtnbound27642 ай бұрын
your like a freaking excuse machine. its a gun, they should have got it right. I respect if they didn't cherry pick a "good one" to send to a gun reviewer, but come on this is unacceptable.
@JoeWayne842 ай бұрын
@@mtnbound2764 I’m just saying a out of spec pic rail being sent out isn’t something that hasn’t happened before to every consumer grade firearm company… I’d of maybe mentioned in the actual review video that I had to send the gun back to get a in spec pic rail that it wasn’t correct when I first received the gun. But a 8 minute video repeating the same thing over and over to not even review the firearm… Just seems like someone who is going out of there way to make as negative a review as possible.. and I’d be willing to bet this guy works for a competitor firearm company are has a conflict of interest and competes with PSA directly in some way. Idk it’s just you can sense it in the entire demeanor of the video. Making the less educated viewers believe PSA is the only company in history to send out an out of spec pic rail to a customer. Like I’ve said I’ve heard of this exact issue over last decade from nearly every manufacturer there is… and every manufacturer will replace the gun if you contact them they will just back charge there contractor who does the machining on the handguard??? Are know they have to manage there in house better.
@mtnbound27642 ай бұрын
@@JoeWayne84 ive bought many, "cheap" handguards from BCA, psa, other low tier names.. ive had other issues, but not this one. fact is, it is what it is, they sent him a gun to review, and this video is a part of that review.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
for $1300 get it right.
@JoeWayne842 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp $1,300.00? What did we get wrong? Are you saying you paid $1,300.00 for the gun? Are that $1,300.00 is the MSRP?
@Mike504-df7ff2 ай бұрын
Dangerous going after the elite establishment like that with the GT call out....S storm headed your way. Much respect for what you do.
@KevinHuff232 ай бұрын
What exactly does he do, because he took GT completely out of context. GT himself said there is NO way he would rely on the Jakl in a combat situation, he was hardly a fucking shill! But hey if this guy increases his engagement by shit talking far more accomplished and successful people, so be it.
@mysteryman333332 ай бұрын
GT has gone down the toilet. His videos are straight trash and he's a complete shill. More people SHOULD be calling him out.
@miletello12 ай бұрын
@@KevinHuff23right. He also clearly pointed out that he had a sample size of 1 and he was aware and mentioned reported problems with it. So while I appreciate the video for the information it provided, it’s a bit womp womp for the attempted shit talkin.
@WhisperMTG2 ай бұрын
@@KevinHuff23did GT ever say anything like this in his review? No he recommended it over a FN SCAR…
@ShellShock7942 ай бұрын
@WhisperMTG Because he thinks the SCAR is a piece of crap. He may have recommended the JAKL over the SCAR but he also said he absolutely could not recommend the JAKL for anything other than a range toy because of its problems
@dudebro292 ай бұрын
PSA is junk and their customer service is an absolute joke. Done with them. Have a look at the inconsistency in the "annealing" of their ammo. It'll make you constantly fearful of a squib. Oh, and they list and send items to FFL's that do not exist and could care less about your feedback suggesting the removal of those non existent FFL's. They do however expect you to cover return shipping costs for their stupidity. And despite their claims, they in fact do care about maximizing profits over anything else.
@user-pd2ew1xg3u2 ай бұрын
Aaaand this is another reason i dig your channel
@KY-np6ow2 ай бұрын
I’d like to see multiple JAKL uppers tested. Could be just an example of one.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
If one is this far off, several are.
@ramentaryramblings2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTrippif there are several like this then show us? if there are so many like that then obviously this issue is everywhere and not just seen with your specific upper.
@jaybo2112ot2 ай бұрын
O ya I'm sure he got the only one that was out of spec. Really dude?
@ramentaryramblings2 ай бұрын
@@jaybo2112ot wow. really proving that critical thinking went out the damn window.
@kevindutton36762 ай бұрын
I wonder how all those name brand Guntubers fit optics on it. I’ve seen a half dozen on different channels. Also waiting for my first PSA QC issue after about 10k total through 2 different uppers
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
You have good luck.
@kevindutton36762 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp my 10.5” is starting to struggle to cycle 55 or 62 grain to be fair. 75 and 77 grain still run no problem
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
I haven’t had issues with any of my PSA uppers/ lowers or the Jakls that I own. They have all been accurate out of the box and continue to feed suppressed or not.. HOWEVER, there is a QC issue that needs to be brought to the assembly lines attention and that is their inability to look at their screw box and realize some screws coming thru are not coated with lock tight. So, in a way the person who made this video is correct that their QC department needs a swift kick in the ass. I personally strip, inspect and correct any issue I see with ANY weapon that comes across my bench. From Romanian AKs , Yugos, ARs and more. Out of ten weapons produced out of any company you will find one or two that are questionable with their assembly. From a missing gas ring on a brand new Colt AR to unset rivets on AKs to stripped screws I have seen it all. I have had a brand new Bushmaster M4 out of the box with a lose barrel to a brand new Sig MPX with feeding issues.. we all get lemons sometimes but again contacting the company and rationally discussing the issue usually solves problems quickly. Of all the gun companies I have dealt with the BEST was Windham Armory ..
@aktideracer87102 ай бұрын
I got lucky and got a good one, so far. Have a lot of rounds through it without any issues and it did perform perfectly in super cold weather this winter up here in AK. My ARs have issues when it gets that cold. But… my AKm does good in the cold too
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Glad to hear.
@mrfawkes91102 ай бұрын
I used to recommend PSA without hesitation. I ordered a BCG from them in the end of December, they took till February to get it to me then refused to respond to my RMA request till May for an item with a fragile DLC coating that fully swallowed a field gauge. When they finally responded they told me that was normal...Swallowing a field gauge on a brand new bolt and barrel is normal to PSA, selling a grenade as a rifle is normal to them. I got my money back but I have to say, this is a completely different company from the one I started doing business with in 2016 and got 5 rifles through. They are now one I will not be doing further business with.
@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.2 ай бұрын
Selling a grenade as a rifle is normal to PSA.... 😆
@cm29732 ай бұрын
Weird. And mine has no issues. Their QC needs a lot of work.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
agreed
@iansalmond7262 ай бұрын
I'll say it again. They are trying to save people money. Higher QC means higher prices. They offer lifetime warranties to deal with lower QC. Some people don't want the hassle of warranties. I get it. Spend more money on a higher tier gun. There is nothing wrong with either decision. Just want people to know that's one of the reasons for poor QC.
@cm29732 ай бұрын
@iansalmond726 I mean, mine has ran fine. Know anyone that makes a lighter barrel for when this one opens up?
@XrayMike17plus12 ай бұрын
This sounds almost like the raw piece was made to spec but the coating process added too much material? Is that a black cerakote finish?
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
Correct .. the issue is the coating throwing off the spec of the rail. We had issues with contractors while I worked at Picitinny in 86. This guy should understand that but apparently couldn’t figure that out.
@TheMsdos252 ай бұрын
PSA's website says the black version is anodized.
@kalashnikovmania20742 ай бұрын
@@TheMsdos25with type 3 anodizing if it’s not applied correctly the spec on the rail could be thrown off by as little as .002 up to .004 making optics mounting difficult . This is clearly a coating issue and should have been mentioned and addressed without the “ oh well PSA sucks “ routine . I have had similar issues on other weapons I’ve purchased from the Bren to the FN scar . It’s a costing process across the board where tolerances are tight and that small amount of overspray or time in the tank will cause issues. It’s good that the video addressed these issues BUT went about in the wrong way. The proper thing to do would yo have contacted the company when the issue occurred and PSA could have corrected the issue by sending out a new unit and using the unit with the issue during a QC check. There are ways of going about getting things fixed properly and the wrong way. Now you have 50 trolls claiming to have top of the line gear claiming PSA is garbage even though most salivated are PSAs attempt to bring unique products yon the market. If they knew anything about how a new design is manufactured, contractors who will fill an order improperly ect with the US government they wouldn’t be so at ease to scream. It took us years to get the 1913 rail system correct and PSA did a dam good job of getting a new start up on the market in 3 yrs without serious problems.
@officedullard87222 ай бұрын
I thought PSA was pretty cool until I learned of their AK rivet situation.
@Kungflu20202 ай бұрын
That sucks. I have a JAKL in 300 BO which I have had great luck with so far with reliability and swapping out accessories. But when I made the purchase, I knew it was a gamble because PSA isn’t known for consistent QC.
@BlakeJoy2 ай бұрын
I think you should be fair, Mike from GT did say he wouldn't recommended it more than a range toy. I get that you are pissy about the rail being out of spec, but there is no reason to rip on other people in the community especially when you are taking them out of context. This is no difference than our bogus propaganda MSM, don't go to their level. Still love you content and have been sub'd to you for years. I just don't like the drama and the infighting, but I am glad you are bringing up QC issues. Cheers!
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
did you watch his video where he said to buy it like 4 times? He stopped right before saying it was "combat ready" which is a bad joke. The companies are bad, and the people shilling the products are also to blame.
@rfphenom76912 ай бұрын
Ok, so 8 minutes of redundant and repetitive ‘the rails out of spec’. Could have covered that in 2 minutes and spoke to other stuff, but nah you probably plan on dragging it out to a bunch of videos to feed off of the psa hater side. Cool
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
The shilling worked on you.
@rfphenom76912 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp is that even supposed to mean something? If you are trying to imply that im a ‘shill’ for PSA, you’d be mistaken. Contrarians like you however are so cynical. You wasted 7 and a half minutes more than saying ‘the rail is out of spec’ that could have been used going over other flaws with the gun, thats just crappy content.
@rfphenom76912 ай бұрын
@@MichiganGunNut can you read this back out loud and understand where you went wrong?
@rfphenom76912 ай бұрын
@@MichiganGunNut ok then ill have to spell it out. I did not complain about the length of the video. I complained about it being 8 minutes of rambling on about only one topic. Thats pretty clear. Its like doing a car review and spending the whole video talking about the trunk. “Just dont watch”, well, its a little late for that, but as a content creator im sure he doesnt mind the full length view for his analytics and ad revenue. I wont be watching anything further from him but i find it funny of a viewer to tell people not to watch because its basically telling people to reduce his paycheck.
@christedsharp63292 ай бұрын
I just got my 3rd Jakl and have zero issues putting my ACOG or holosun 510C on it.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
nice
@rondobrondoАй бұрын
The reason I bought a PSA for my first rifle was because I wanted to establish a baseline. The only rifles I shot growing up were like custom Daniel Defense’s and LMT customs (I had some very rich relatives haha), so I wanted to know what the somewhat practical bottom of the barrel was actually like so I can understand what is wrong with it and know where the sore spots of the AR15 are in general, or what will need extra attention or improved components, and not only know about this stuff in my head from reading about the design and manufacturing processes of these things, like reading about the challenges the ar15 had to overcome and must still overcome, what problems or potential problems will manifest as, how they will affect the gun, and how to best address the problem, whether through design modification or through higher durability components. And I don’t want only Learn about how to identify all these things just by just like looking at pictures of guns with problems or watching peoples videos I want to be able to feel and experience and directly understand what can go wrong and get this knowledge now on something that’s cheaper and also because Palmetto is making extremely basic guns that are usually just trying to be straight mil spec carbines or whatever else like that. Most Americans with ARs over the last several decades have just been using cheap m4 carbines with 16” barrels, and so I thought it would be worthwhile and interesting to use basically the same thing that most other people have been using for a long time and to see what most people deem to be acceptable to some extent But as I moved more from the engineering side of the AR to learning more about the consumer side and the social aspect of the gun, im discovering that most people are filthy liars and utterly defensive , oh and that they are all extremely dogmatic even in the total absence of knowledge or any level of understanding, they will be sure to tell you how this gun is different, this one is actually best hahrhxhahdj So I’ll be shooting my PSA until it fails, and then buy something better while I RMA the gun with PSA, and then sell the gun to someone else to start their learning journey Do I regret it? A lil, but it’s taken me a pretty long time to gain enough knowledge that I can understand exactly what’s wrong with it and now know exactly what features in other rifles I am going to look for, especially ones that have have custom “enhanced” parts, I.e. design modifications Currently I am considering Daniel Defense, BCM, LWRCI, Radian, Larue, Geissele, KAC, ADM, Cobalt Kinetics, POF, PWS If anyone has recommendations, I am looking for an AR that is fairly light, 14.5-16” bbl, running with or without suppressor, tapered barrel (light weight profiles would be fine), with robust rail mounting system (doesn’t have to be too insane, but I definitely want something that has a hard locking interface with the barrel nut or whatever they might use), and it should improve on the mil spec as much as possible, whether designs or materials. I need something I can run hard and that can take abuse if needed, it has to be something so well made that I almost never have think about the gun
@swordoflaban65942 ай бұрын
Conflict of interest. Lol
@swordoflaban65942 ай бұрын
Nice review. It's a Jakl cheese grater
@lordstig54742 ай бұрын
Well that's no good. Always find truth on this channel. Love it. Thanks for being you tripp
@smokethirteen2 ай бұрын
FYI the tolerance is not + 8 ten thousandths. It is + eight thousandth. Which is .206” nominal, +.008” and -.000” tolerance. Bottom line is send it back and get one made to print. Manufacturing OOTs (Out Of Tolerance) happens. They will make it right. Not that big of a deal. PSA makes great product and they stand behind them.
@tavelkyosobaАй бұрын
i got burned by a GT recommendation and then started to become wise to the industry wide grift of influencer marketing. They do a good job hiding it and you're doing the lord's work my guy.
@ljguitarwizard2 ай бұрын
Little youtuber calling out big youtubers for clout should've been the name of the video.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
The shilling worked on you.
@austinm3377Ай бұрын
You know Garand thumb is a shill. He's former military, nobody takes those guys seriously. They're all liars and shills
@BroScience7102 ай бұрын
As a machinist who made handguards for 2 very well known AR mfg. I would not worry about .002/.003 of an inch on the rail. The undercut to the top of the rail is most important, as well as the width and angle pitch. To me this is like complaining about rolling marks on the inside of a bcm bolt carrier.
@mtnbound27642 ай бұрын
lol hope i didnt buy anything you made.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Where do you work? I just want to make sure to avoid it.
@fullm3taljacket2 ай бұрын
Stop the cap, bucko
@ramentaryramblings2 ай бұрын
yeah on a rail sure that's fine. on an upper you need to be able to hold zero. that undercut is important but you can't have the slot vary that much, it makes things SUPER inconsistent. this is also coming from someone who has also CNC manufactured pic rails on uppers. I also run what I make. so again, it's not just that simple. more than likely the coating is to thick. any shop would make that rail slot a few tenths large if not on the top spec or OVER to account for coatings and tool wear. which I'm sure PSA did, but got over-enthusiastic with the anodizing to ensure full coverage.
@BroScience7102 ай бұрын
@@ramentaryramblings for sure
@robhunterartАй бұрын
Yeah…9holes had a great and very specific review. They even mentioned TREX’s review about the quality control complaints. 9hole was more impressed with the idea that a small manufacturer could build a relatively new rifle because they already manufacture AR15s. The wobble in the stock bugged both hosts.
@ETHRON1Ай бұрын
As someone who used to do "factory sent" reviews of parts/accessories/ and a few guns my question is why didn't you contact them about the out of spec receiver?... Personally i have had bad stuff sent to me and when i contacted them they made ALL the arrangements to send it back and sent out New product...
@Mr.EaseMysteries2 ай бұрын
He proved that he got a bad gun, and Garand Thumb didn't get a bad gun. Does that 100% indicate that all PSA products are garbage? No, I own several of their products. They all run totally fine. Does this prove Garand Thumb to be a liar and horrible shill? Also no, he had a totally functional product from them just like I do. One bad manufacturing error doesn't mean much.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
I have PSA products that work.
@dgee11752 ай бұрын
Shill gun. I saw another review where the handguard keep yeeting itself off.
@ravenwing1992 ай бұрын
No you didn't. It's a Monolithic upper.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15952 ай бұрын
@@ravenwing199The bottom half isn’t. Only the top half IIRC.
@ravenwing1992 ай бұрын
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I may be a fucking idiot cause yeah and it only has 1 pin so PSA QC... I believe it. I was thinking it was full SCAR mono.
@echofoxtrotwhiskey15952 ай бұрын
@@ravenwing199 Happens to the best of us.
@racerdude888Ай бұрын
This is what you get when you buy from a manufacturer that inspects 10 out 500 parts
@politicalpolarbear2 ай бұрын
Can I be honest here? Is the PSA out of spec and annoying has hell? Yes. We can all agree on that. Was your wording a little overly harsh? "Paperweight" as an example? Honestly, I'd say so. You kind of spat in their face for giving you a free review rifle. If I was a company and you gave a bad review that's one thing, but you also gave a spiteful bad review. In my mind as a company, I don't know if there's much value in having you on because you are just going to take that spit further across the product line. Is it right for you to point out PSA's badly made products? Yes. Could it have been done in a more professional manner? Also yes. Just my opinion. I think you could have stayed in PSA's good graces while also bringing to light the bad product at the same time.
@FocusTripp2 ай бұрын
Giving me something for free ain't gonna save you homie.
@politicalpolarbear2 ай бұрын
@@FocusTripp I don't think you are getting what I'm saying. You can definitely talk about the bad of a product without shitting on it excessively. Your video, to me, kind of came off as condescending and petty. You could have easily just said that the tolerances aren't where they should be and show it to prove it beyond doubt. But there was extra acid in your review. IMO, too much so. Granted, I'm not the one with a channel, but IMO, you took the negativity a little too far.