www.nathandaydesign.com.au/ An experiment trying out a torsion box in a fine furniture setting,
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@paulhale34722 жыл бұрын
Over the last week I have watched all of the videos you have posted these past 2-3 years. watch a lot of KZfaq videos about fine furniture making and I have to say that the diversity of your skills sets are likely to be some of the most extensive anywhere in the world. It makes me proud to be a Kiwi and know that there are craftsmen like you down under. Well done Sir.
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, very kind indeed
@Arational2 жыл бұрын
@@KingPostTimberWorks Hey Joey, just checking in to see if you're OK. You haven't uploaded in 6 months Hope you're doing well and just too busy to spend the extra time to film the work.
@brianpeterson89082 жыл бұрын
@@Arational He is posting on his facebook page, but there was a large gap.
@youstubers57222 жыл бұрын
Thank you Joey! Hard enough to master the design and fabrication, let alone the audio/video production. You have quickly become my favorite channel for woodwork because of the clear logical explanations of what you are doing, why, and what you learned. Best wishes to you and yours!
@DerekHauser Жыл бұрын
Joey, I sure miss you videos!
@disbenefits2 жыл бұрын
great stuff joey. dark coloured objects are difficult to film so no doubt it shows up even better in person (tableson?). when making a torsion box i have stuffed the cavities with rockwool insulation to reduce hollow sounds or knocking. there is special dense acoustic insulation that would be well suited to this pupose.
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea!
@gslavik2 жыл бұрын
When you were cutting the veneers on the band saw, I expected the feather board to be the other way around.
@ralphiewigs22082 жыл бұрын
That really caught my eye.
@griinder2 жыл бұрын
Caught my eye too, wonder what the reasoning was behind that.
@sudsy182 жыл бұрын
@@griinder there’s no reasoning, other than it was a mistake on his part or he wants to make his life harder
@paulhale34722 жыл бұрын
A very nice and challenging project. It is great to see a New Zealand craftsman contributing on the KZfaq fine furniture making medium. Thank you. Paul from Auckland
@francoisfouche25682 жыл бұрын
Great work !!! I actually like the accented black joint lines, it gives some character to a "one colour" piece.
@TheBenjammin2 жыл бұрын
Can't decide if your level of skill is inspiring or demoralizing.
@BradPow2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha no kidding. He's on another level
@benjyfin92652 жыл бұрын
I agree , great way of putting it. Makes me look like a child while joey makes it look like child’s play
@elguarogozon12 жыл бұрын
Hehehehehehe
@ColinForBooks Жыл бұрын
i love that joint you used for the leg. lots of cool approaches here!
@bertv12052 жыл бұрын
Nice one, Joey. Hats off on account of you persevering with the "purperhart" (as it is called in the Netherlands).
@onepairofhands2 жыл бұрын
always impressed with your work Joey - and in particular to this video the summary you gave at the end. hope you and the family are managing to keep safe
@scottearlsmithFTC2 жыл бұрын
Joey, I am so impressed with your videos. I patiently wait for the next one... in the mean time I am rewatching most of the ones on your channel. Cheers Mate!
@JonoGeeGee2 жыл бұрын
DANG! That's mighty fine sir. Thank you for sharing and inspiring.
@NickGranville2 жыл бұрын
Hi. So glad Auckland has now moved to level 3 like the rest of NZ. Hope your business can recover. I’ve only ever used Purple Heart as an accent piece - never thought to use it for a whole project. Looks like a good result
@scottstennes69832 жыл бұрын
I Truly admire your craftsmanship
@ludboya2 жыл бұрын
Great project, and yes super interesting how you put it together
@2255buck2 жыл бұрын
Excellent build, as usual !!
@mmmdesignllc2 жыл бұрын
That was a great video. We all learned a lot watching you.
@kuffyswoodwork2 жыл бұрын
I like it. Has a nice minimalist look to it.
@a6cjn2 жыл бұрын
Nice work Joey and a very informative video, I really appreciated the evaluation at the end as I believe it's a critical part of the design process. And yes, Purpleheart is a sod to work with. Chris
@andrewbowers66982 жыл бұрын
Hey man thank you for all that you helped me with I hope to one day follow your path of being a carpenter and with all of the skills you have showed me, I hoped to pursue that career.
@mcksysar86202 жыл бұрын
Amazing job. Thanks for sharing!
@derekbanner25142 жыл бұрын
Nice job as usual. Interesting project. Cheers from England
@mjfister2 жыл бұрын
Great video Joey - speaking of using torsion boxes in furniture. I just did it on a commission for a sectional where there was an XL length trundle that wanted to sit under the 'long section' - 85" of un-supported span that could also host several adults sitting on it. This was the only construction method that made sense to me especially since I was also constrained on Z (height) by the thickness of a rolling frame with mattress and 'seating'. While I enjoy following you on instagram, the videos are the best...
@justcruisin1092 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joey for putting the effort into the video whereby you explain your choices and challenges - it really makes you think about your own processes. Being in Australia and using mainly Eucalytpus sp. I'm not so keen on veneering given the grain goes every which way. Having said that, I've found the Laguna bandsaw fence useful as you don't have to resurface after each cut as you can wind the fence over a set number of turns and get consistent slices. Also a thicknesser with a helical cutter and carbide knives is more forgiving with wild grain patterns (IMO). Again great work by you - your willingness to give it a go is inspiring. Cheers
@eroshtik69972 жыл бұрын
Great work and beautiful table
@benaldi22 жыл бұрын
Thank you, looks great.
@dennisdickson80582 жыл бұрын
Great work Joey👍
@sisyphushappyband2 жыл бұрын
I thought the rebated veneers to hide the seams was inspired! Great idea, and taught me a new technique!
@ianzagorskikh39642 жыл бұрын
Interesting experiment, thanks for sharing!
@FixitFingers2 жыл бұрын
I don't often watch things and say "I would like to try that exact build" ...but this is one of those time.... minus the Purple Heart ;)
@hurcorh2 жыл бұрын
Nice mate. Both yours and Nathan's work is inspiring! I used this construction for a big entry door and it's worked great for that
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Oh doors! That's brilliant
@chrisevans6293 Жыл бұрын
You are truly a master carpenter. Just discovered your channel, and its exactly what i'm interested in watching. Lots of pretenders on youtube who can pour some resin between wood slabs and call themselves carpenters, but you show them what the term really means. I have been learning veneer, laminate, edge banding at work for the past few weeks and seeing some of your videos made me jump out of my seat to my girlfriend "thats what ive been learning!!" haha. Awesome stuff man.
@terrytaylor3422 жыл бұрын
Thanks again for another great video
@PassionforWoodworking2 жыл бұрын
Great video Joey. I've never done a torsion build before though I have wanted too. I think you might have just inspired me just the same as you were lol.
@helderlage2 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable skilled woodworking! you must/should be very proud about the result... congratulations!
@jasonturner10452 жыл бұрын
Damn, you do some nice work. Nice job Joey. Hope you all in NZ are doing well.
@justavian2 жыл бұрын
I've made similar structures on benches - torsion box with quarter inch thick veneer cladding the whole thing. Somehow i never really considered this method for a table, presumably because i'm dumb. I wish i had thought about this when i built a kitchen table for myself. I was using some really cool blue streaky pine harvested near me, but i couldn't get it flat - i ended up gluing it down to some MDF and veneering the edges. But that still didn't quite fix the flatness, and of course it was incredibly heavy. Mostly salvaged the project, but i wasn't happy. If i had simply planned to do a torsion box from the beginning, it would have been a much better project. Anyway - great video. I've used only small amounts of purple heart, so i didn't discover the planing and tearout issues you mention. But i was considering using it as part of a heavy interior door - so i appreciate the lessons! Great piece, thanks for sharing this.
@banjopete2 жыл бұрын
Always good, thanks.
@timwhite89632 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joey. Great watch
@kenmarapese90852 жыл бұрын
Purple Heart is a challenging species to work and I agree sanding is the best way to fit it.
@lillylola98222 жыл бұрын
Yeah, just like Wenge. Its so gorgeous but so difficult to work with. Greetings from Germany! By the way, great work! Flawless in my eyes.
@Thom41232 жыл бұрын
Hey Joey just checking in and hoping everything is going alright. Take care brother.
@kevingerald82862 жыл бұрын
I definitely like that torsion box approach - I expect you could achieve an adequately stiff table top with many fewer cross pieces, maybe as few as a half? I must give this a go sometime. Thanks for the idea and link to Nathan's work 🖒
@GlassonDesignStudio2 жыл бұрын
Very nice work. Well done
@Mr_Mooo2 жыл бұрын
Regardless of the issues, this was still a beautiful build and demonstrates why pieces like this cost so much compared to Ikea factory line pieces. The time and effort you put into your work is amazing.
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@morty39702 жыл бұрын
Well that was interesting. I learned heaps from that
@nkabui8wnabnd80999992 жыл бұрын
Purple aside this is brilliant.
@mariaaparecidacarvalho65302 жыл бұрын
Excelent. Congratulations.
@TaylerMade2 жыл бұрын
i found this interesting as i had never considered using this type of construction for a table (retired now). yes wood in nz has gotten ridiculous. i thought i had found a new supplier recently and ordered a batch of furniture grade lumber from them. furniture grade my backside. half of it was unusable except in areas where it would never be seen.
@mhorlor2 жыл бұрын
Very cool Joey
@Binbag10102 жыл бұрын
Still a beautiful table I would be pleased as punch to own Joey.
@CastleChad2 жыл бұрын
Nice work
@korycoster35862 жыл бұрын
@5:05 think that finger board might be backwards
@johnmcmunn38272 жыл бұрын
It is backwards ....
@jennybarnes48062 жыл бұрын
Agree
@jennybarnes48062 жыл бұрын
Maybe why it was so difficult to get through the blade
@spudpud-T672 жыл бұрын
Everything is backward down under.
@aristo1882 жыл бұрын
as he said, took a better part of the day to push thro.. :-P
@TheJafa092 жыл бұрын
Yes!
@chefdan872 жыл бұрын
Im so jealous of your table saw..... Lol
@johnniewalker392 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@cobberpete12 жыл бұрын
Love the build. Not sure I like the colour. I will try out the leg joinery on my next table Thanks Joey, At least you found something to keep you busy ( for awhile) . We are so luck here in West Oz. No Covid problems 😊.
@hannoerwes95442 жыл бұрын
Very, very nice. Thanks for posting. I would have loved to see how you matched the outside radius of the legs with the inside radius of the table corner for the joint.
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Thanks , was just a matching radius round over bit that I happened to have
@PEZ49492 жыл бұрын
The best part about your videos is that there are always tips & techniques learned that can be exported to other projects; I still think you've got the best woodworking channel on KZfaq!
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your support!
@sumosidnz2 жыл бұрын
Pretty cool build... We are now out of LV4 and into LV4 with KFC. :). Keep up the great work and posts.
@clydedecker7652 жыл бұрын
Imagine the persistence that took. Great look. Lock down a woodworker -- he'll figure out something to do. I'm sure you learned a lot. Now, for that hollow sound ... grrrrrr. The suggestion of rockwool is interesting but a real nightmare to control while veneering/gluing simultaneously. Maybe boring holes in the bottom and sprayfoaming it -- then adding a second veneer to cover the holes? Or doing it before veneering -- just level it off.....
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that too
@varsitynoodle2 жыл бұрын
Beast mode cutting those veneers. Stuff smells awful. There's a time and place for torsion boxes, but I think they should be used more frequently for table builds. Excellent work as always
@justindesilets35262 жыл бұрын
ok so it isn't just me. last time I've worked with purple heart my shop had a smell like someone had just puked all over the place and it lasted for a week.
@varsitynoodle2 жыл бұрын
@@justindesilets3526 there's a fun thread. Cutting purpleheart smells like.......? For me, what a litter box smells like after the cats do their business
@justindesilets35262 жыл бұрын
@@varsitynoodle didn't know about that. Thanks for the info. And yeah I'm never using purple heart again!
@Astilafauzymeubel9 ай бұрын
Amazing 👌👍👏👏👏👏❤️
@barth81842 жыл бұрын
Good job 😀😀😀😀
@lukepresto346 Жыл бұрын
I miss your content. I understand life can be more important than this. Just hope you’re well and I’ll keep checking to see if you produce anything more.
@lesd402 жыл бұрын
Would make a nice executive desk.
@salefin2 жыл бұрын
Amazing work mate! Just one pointer...looks like your feather board is wrong way round when you're cutting veneers on band saw.
@thompsonfamilyhuntingadven40362 жыл бұрын
I just said same thing, and can’t believe it took so long scrolling down comments to find someone else who noticed.
@Sawmods2 жыл бұрын
Anytime Ive ever worked with purple heart I cuss the hell out of it. Seems like whatever I do I end up with tearout that I have to sand the shit out of.
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
😂 yup
@tomruth94872 жыл бұрын
@@KingPostTimberWorks It's funny, I know woodworkers that never sand anything ever. It's sort of against their religion or something. I'm the opposite, I don't hand plane or scrape anything anymore. Some say sanding will never look as good as a hand planed finish. I wonder?
@ADHDbuilt2 жыл бұрын
I'd never heard of a torsion box, now I'm looking at the table I made and wishing it didn't have stringers in it now.
@krismackintosh2 жыл бұрын
The table looks stunning! I am a hobbits woodworker in Auckland and most of the stuff I make is our of Mac as I only know about Cypress Sawmill, could you give me a few pointers on where you source some of the more exotic woods you use?
@iansmith80542 жыл бұрын
Were the veneers hard to cut, or was the feather board backwards? Love your vids. No frills, just building stuff
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Hard to cut. Feather board is for my router table which feeds from the other way, and was bearly touching the timber.
@iansmith80542 жыл бұрын
@@KingPostTimberWorks thanks, Joey.
@sudsy182 жыл бұрын
Your featherboard is backwards at @5:19 . Might be why you were getting so much resistance
@derekludlow80062 жыл бұрын
Where is Joey?! Hope you’re doing ok
@elcompaf12 жыл бұрын
Awesome build, turned out looking nice. Random question: what is the brand of your pants? I'm looking for some something similar.
@mrghm2 жыл бұрын
King post timber works held together by blue tape
@abingdonwoodworks97862 жыл бұрын
Nice clean design and a great way to efficiently use material. Great job! I’ve used purpleheart for many projects; as the tearout, splintering and dull blades piled up, I vowed never to use it again. But purpleheart can look so awesome after good sanding and finishing, my memory gets short and I go right back to it. Check out the Sampson Boat Company KZfaq channel. Leo used MASSIVE purpleheart timbers for the keel for Tally Ho, joined with scarf joints tighter than any joint I’ve ever been able to make.
@abingdonwoodworks97862 жыл бұрын
Link to the video I mentioned. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fbGdZ5lhtr3ZoIE.html
@theothermarshal2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant design & the technique is very inspiring to me as I am about to build a table out of mohagany and would like to avoid waste. That said, I have a couple questions for you: 1) Are you concerned about the expansion of the wood having glued it all to the torsion frame? 2) You used epoxy and I plan to use wood glue... would the project have the same structural integrity with glue as you have with epoxy or should I consider epoxy? Thanks again for sharing such great content!
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
1. Thick veneers have been around for a long time , the idea is that you use stronger glue than the pull of the timber and it's movement, Dap weld wood plastic resin glue. 2. In a maloof joint like like on my legs there is about half of the joint where you are gluing end grain which in my experience has better adhesion with epoxy
@douggilchrist51312 жыл бұрын
It would probably be a little easier to cut veneers if you put your feather board facing in the correct direction
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
No. I Was aware of it and had no pressure on it.
@oconnaugh2 жыл бұрын
Joey, we talked about your Baltic Birch sheet flooring experiment a few years ago. Can you give us an update?
@vandammethierry2 жыл бұрын
good
@jefvanacoleyenjef Жыл бұрын
Hello Joey, those are some great techniques! I especially enjoyed the leg joinery. What I was wondering: isn't there a risk of the veneers on the top splitting apart due to wood movement? I've had it happen to hardwood veneers I glued to multiplex and would like to avoid this in future. Cheers!
@Rsama602 жыл бұрын
Finnageling for the first piece. So the tool used is a finnagle then? Nice table btw.
@stevehignett57012 жыл бұрын
4:46 Isn't the finger guide press thingy situated the wrong way round?
@ronin29632 жыл бұрын
less then $500 for all that wood is amazing. Want to ship some to me? The Veneer cutting looks painful. Both in time and concentration. How bad was the splintering and tearout? Purple Heart is notoriously hard to work.
@adamchesis74432 жыл бұрын
Purpleheart is one of those odd woods, It doesn't work well, but it has a beautiful purple color, until it turns brown.
@chrissleblanc2 жыл бұрын
Purple heart is very hard we have lots here in the Caribbean
@MarkHoward19462 жыл бұрын
why do you use your featherboard backwards on the tablesaw?
@jcsrst2 жыл бұрын
All that tear out can be artfully repaired with hard wax. Repairs might show over time with the darkening of the wood... I started using it years ago and I've been able to unclench my *ss cheeks when doing all kinds of joinery. That is an awesome table though! I love that you're willing to try new things and your pieces run the gamut of style. Torsion boxes are amazingly strong! I learned DON'T us Purple Heart to make a table🤣
@robertc.p.b6774 Жыл бұрын
esperamos nuevos videos
@Arational2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps sanding with a Rotex and a hard pad instead of running it through the planer?
@TonyT-lo2sz2 жыл бұрын
Are you done making videos
@milootje0072 жыл бұрын
Torsion boxes are interesting... How much thinner do you think you could go before the strength wouldn't be acceptable anymore?
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
I have pondered that , I think about 40mm for the ply plus veneers
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
I'll amend my reply to say that it depends on the span. I have seen this done at 4.5m long and the thickness is about 100mm but the edges are thinned down to about 50mm
@aristo1882 жыл бұрын
@@KingPostTimberWorks thinned down , meaning like a acute angle cut?
@milootje0072 жыл бұрын
@@KingPostTimberWorks Fantastic. Imagine the possibilities with a CNC'd torsion box out of carbon fiber or something and then veneered.. Woodworking is fascinating
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
@@milootje007 yes indeed that's food for thought!
@stoopsyo2 жыл бұрын
WALNUT in Australia is 11+ thousand a cube. I paid 375 for a 3.5 meter by 400 by 55!!!
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Yup similar here
@stoopsyo2 жыл бұрын
@@KingPostTimberWorks I been hanging out in scrapyards and demolition sites. Amazing how much goes to waste. The other day I saw a Oregon roof get smashed like I toothpick house. I shed a tear and moved on haha
@Stikker0212 жыл бұрын
Does being a torsion box make much of a difference to the weight of the piece? If that was solid timber it would be very heavy.
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Yes it's a very light weight table actually
@ohasis83312 жыл бұрын
That stuff is pretty savage on tool edges, no?
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@charlesmcadory82862 жыл бұрын
I was wondering if you could put thin copper strips where the leg glue lines are. Make what you don't like into a accent.
@Mitrasmit2 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like the featherboard at the band saw was completely working against you. That might have made it harder to push through?
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Has been mentioned below , it was mostly there as a backstop so I didn't completely lose control of the timber. It was barely touching, because it is for my router table it feeds from the wrong way.
@rossfiori74402 жыл бұрын
What make of glue do you use???
@joostvanputte2 жыл бұрын
So how do you make sure the Purple Heart retains its color over time?
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
Well in my experience as long as it's not in direct sunlight it will stay purple but darken and become richer with ambient light.
@NRCarrillo2 жыл бұрын
That featherboard being backwards on the bandsaw probably didn't help with veneers either. Was that intentional?
@KingPostTimberWorks2 жыл бұрын
That feather board is for my router table with feed from the other side . It worked fine when running against the planed face. But was mostly there as a back stop so I didn't lose control of the board entirely
@danielford50272 жыл бұрын
I noticed this too. I guess if it wasn’t tight to the wood it should be ok.