QUADS in Gran Premio D´Italia 2021 - Anna Shcherbakova and Maiia Khromykh scores

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2 жыл бұрын

The Quads of Gran Premio D Italia 2021 ! Anna and Maiia did amazing on the long program, here we take a look of their very hard jumps !
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@katerinabrave2980
@katerinabrave2980 2 жыл бұрын
Sasha has the best Quad technique in Tut Team. She doesn't have so much pre-rotation
@wkim22
@wkim22 2 жыл бұрын
Hoping for Trusova to land all her 5 quads so she can win gold. She really can't afford to mess up.
@user-xs7vi3wu1u
@user-xs7vi3wu1u 2 жыл бұрын
😣 She has a very serious fracture on one leg. Similar to the one Medvedeva had before the 2018 olimpics
@piiiinklr
@piiiinklr 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-xs7vi3wu1u Sasha's fracture is not very serious. She is already training in the gym and in two days she will go ice training. She is recovering and preparing for the nationals where she will destroy everyone
@feyanormorfol2457
@feyanormorfol2457 2 жыл бұрын
Since prerotation is still unlimited in current rules, what's the point of it?
@todorokissmile9010
@todorokissmile9010 2 жыл бұрын
I was deadass scared that Anya lost her quads during her Time off and seeing this video makes me relieved. Although not the best technique, she does it gracefully and I'd really like to see her in Beijing
@StewNWT
@StewNWT 2 жыл бұрын
my sentiments exactly. Barring a clean 5 quad performance from Sasha or Kamila falling on at least 2 of her quads/triple axel, the Olympic gold is as good as Valieva's at this point. Which I wouldn't mind as she is likely the single greatest fully rounded figure skater in history (no has had her level of jumping ability, flexibility AND artistry in one package) except for the god awful Bolero program they had her keep. Both her and Kostornaia are so SO much better with lighter, sadder or delicate classical music. I want Anna on the Olympic team. But odds are she's competing for 3rd spot at Russian nationals behind Sasha and Kamila. Liza, Aliona, Anna and Maia are all realistic shots at the 3rd spot.
@todorokissmile9010
@todorokissmile9010 2 жыл бұрын
@@StewNWT for Kamila, I would argue about her jumping technique but I would agree with you that she is the most well rounded female skater. Anna really does need her quads for the spot at this point because it feels like Sasha's quads are her second nature and even if Kamila lost her stability with her quads, she still has her triple axel which is just mesmerizing. I could say the same for Kostornaia and Queen Liza. I hate to say this but if Anna really did lose her quads, then she's as good as done for the Olympic spot.
@Mhochul
@Mhochul 2 жыл бұрын
Anna’s quads here look better than last season. She didn’t have them at all during worlds and they’re more rotated and she did a combo in practice which is more than at nationals last year. Always a surprise with her
@Plaspos
@Plaspos 2 жыл бұрын
She did them at world team trophy
@Mhochul
@Mhochul 2 жыл бұрын
@@Plaspos Step out
@skatergirl1247
@skatergirl1247 2 жыл бұрын
How did Anna get 10 points higher than Sasha at Skate America when they had basically the same base value?? Anna is great but she should not be getting in the 160s with only 1 quad, even she looked surprised by the scores😂
@chikayum2607
@chikayum2607 2 жыл бұрын
It’s because PCS 72.0. Sasha has-69.0,and it for spins. And Anna has-3Lz+3Lo.
@saraehtor7753
@saraehtor7753 2 жыл бұрын
@@chikayum2607 Its only 3 pcs difference. Sasha didnt have any q jump and she got a ! call on her 3Flip. While Anna didn’t get any call and they pretty much overlooked over every mistake Anna had
@skatergirl1247
@skatergirl1247 2 жыл бұрын
@@chikayum2607 Anna's base value was about a point and a half higher than Sasha's and PCS was about 4 points higher. Anna's technical score ended up 7 points higher than Sasha's. For what? Her jumps sure are not executed with far better quality. Her spins are not a whole lot better either (traveling issues and droopy toes). I would argue that Sasha has better skating skills than Anna as well (Anna far excedes Sasha in Performance and Interpretation, but her skating skills are not good).
@saraehtor7753
@saraehtor7753 2 жыл бұрын
@@skatergirl1247 Anna’s ss are even worse than Sasha’s and we all know how bad Sasha’s are. I think this explains everything
@Ardit-kq4bt
@Ardit-kq4bt 2 жыл бұрын
I love Anna but she is the over scored queen ..lol
@khinsushein4906
@khinsushein4906 2 жыл бұрын
Well not only the jumps that count, nobody can deny that Anna has always skated so gracefully.
@saraehtor7753
@saraehtor7753 2 жыл бұрын
Anna has flat edge on her flip and lutz jump. How didn’t she get at least one call?
@ariannabinaghi5222
@ariannabinaghi5222 2 жыл бұрын
Flat edge on flips is fine, I don't understand when they call it, but they should definitely call all of her lutzes and lower her goes because of the heavy prerotation
@simpletruth5927
@simpletruth5927 2 жыл бұрын
Hell, she had like +2 factored GOE for that !Lz. Rip isu
@mariafernandafujimoto6812
@mariafernandafujimoto6812 2 жыл бұрын
@@ariannabinaghi5222 flat edge is fine ? And why sasha receive 4! ?
@ariannabinaghi5222
@ariannabinaghi5222 2 жыл бұрын
@@mariafernandafujimoto6812 eh, as I said it kinda bugs me when they call flip flat edges, because even the judges think they should be deep inside edges, when the ISU simulations show flat edges. Sometimes Sasha's flips have a slight outside edge, but not all the time. Anyways, Anna doesn't get anything called, that's why, even tho I'm fine with flat edges on flips not getting called. I don't know if I explained myself.
@hannibaljustincase9985
@hannibaljustincase9985 2 жыл бұрын
@@ariannabinaghi5222 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mphdlaqlzeCtf30.html 0:49 flat edge on flip is not fine, according to isu
@lotrfann3383
@lotrfann3383 2 жыл бұрын
When Anna finished her program, I said what a great program. But when I saw her score, I looked again to see if I saw it wrong. Wasn't it a little overrated? Anna did a great job, but I can't say I agree with the score.
@virginiajackson5620
@virginiajackson5620 2 жыл бұрын
I agree completely
@user-ti6xm4rz4f
@user-ti6xm4rz4f 2 жыл бұрын
Ну конечно,вы большой специалист в Фигурном катании ?У Анны безупречное катание,можно сказать-оно эталонное.Никто так не катается,возможно-Камилла.Некрасиво хейтить.
@lotrfann3383
@lotrfann3383 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-ti6xm4rz4f Ну, во-первых, пишу это с перевода Goggle, надеюсь, ошибок нет. Я не сказал, что ненавижу стиль Анны, я просто сказал, что ее немного переоценили с одним четверным. Анна отлично поработала, и у нее был хороший график. Я не ненавижу Анну, я удивлен, что вы это поняли из моего комментария. Я не специалист по фигурному катанию, я говорю свое мнение, и у каждого свое мнение и мнение. Вы высказали свои мысли в своем комментарии. Стиль, который нравится каждому, разный, потому что вкусы разные, а вкусы неоспоримы. В любом случае, хорошего дня. :)
@user-kd6tj4mi1q
@user-kd6tj4mi1q 2 жыл бұрын
@@lotrfann3383 очень хорошие слова, и абсолютно верное суждение!)
@nikitashaitan9984
@nikitashaitan9984 2 жыл бұрын
@@lotrfann3383 there's no need in arguing with those fans. They have no clue how judging works, what pennalizes. And they give so much hatred in response in any questions towards scored or edge/rotations being uncalled. They're basically blinded by the feelings they have towards skaters.
@user-jr8ex3gc8b
@user-jr8ex3gc8b 2 жыл бұрын
Anna's "quad" flip, lol. More than 200 degrees peroration and 90 degrees under rotation. Its not a quad at all. But she had 14 points for actually triple flip with unclear edge. RIP ISU
@jutjubow
@jutjubow Жыл бұрын
IKR
@Jeremy-wp4yh
@Jeremy-wp4yh 2 жыл бұрын
I just know this video about to spill some tea 😂
@monicaho3108
@monicaho3108 2 жыл бұрын
I really love their programs even though their techniques are questionable 🙂 The judges really need to take it seriously on the score😶
@milayalyuda1
@milayalyuda1 2 жыл бұрын
What wrong they was the best Do you think someone was better ?
@nea2150
@nea2150 2 жыл бұрын
@@milayalyuda1 they were the best and deserved silver and gold they got BUT they shouldn’t have gotten such high scores, especially such high GOEs.
@MelonLord
@MelonLord 2 жыл бұрын
Tutberidze is honestly so scary, maiia got 2nd yet she still acted like she was going to punish her post-competition.
@russki1978
@russki1978 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe if these two trained a 4loop they might actually jump a true quad. They have the perfect technique for a loop. Too bad they use it for all their toe-jumps.
@francirose89
@francirose89 2 жыл бұрын
General question for skaters/people with more knowledge on the subject: are there any specific reasons why a jump is considered as 'underrotated' based on landing but not take-off? I had a look at the ISU TP handbook and at page 20 (cheated take-off rule) it says that 'A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take-off will be considered as a downgraded jump.' A literal interpretation of this rule would imply any jump with 180° on-ice 'pre-rotation' should be downgraded, yet this does not seem to be the case in practice. Am I interpreting this rule wrong or missing something here?
@BenMarru
@BenMarru 2 жыл бұрын
You are missing that ISU is one the 3 most corrupt sport organizations in the world :(
@feyanormorfol2457
@feyanormorfol2457 2 жыл бұрын
You are confusing take-off(prerotation+lift-off) with LIFT-OFF itself! It's legal.And that rule is about "toe-axel mistake". Second, the more you are prerotate the more power of your jump will be eaten by Friction Force... which will lead to UNDERrotation. Look at Satoko. "Prerotation" is unlimited, but she still underrotates her triples. Cliche "prerotate and you will land everything you want!" doesn' t works in real life.
@francirose89
@francirose89 2 жыл бұрын
@@feyanormorfol2457 Many thanks for your very informative reply. Would you happen to have any sources regarding the distinction between 'take-off' and 'lift-off' that you mentioned? I'm trying to become more informed on the subject.
@francirose89
@francirose89 2 жыл бұрын
@@BenMarru Thank you for your perspective - that’s very sad to hear. I’m by no means an expert but have come to love this sport and hope judging/judging criteria will become more transparent in the future.
@thekat3086
@thekat3086 2 жыл бұрын
Prerotation is not illegal because it relies on individual skaters technique. There is a proper amount of prerotation each type of jump but mostly the russian skaters of Eteri ignore that.
@hindbelkharchiche1654
@hindbelkharchiche1654 2 жыл бұрын
Overscoring ↗️↗️↗️↗️
@falestra825
@falestra825 2 жыл бұрын
Maya's 4Ts were not good with switching from toe to edge, but people keep complaining about Anya's quads and her being "the only one" who is overscored. Classic.
@Ardit-kq4bt
@Ardit-kq4bt 2 жыл бұрын
at least Maiias quads were quads and not triples like Annas
@josephappiah5023
@josephappiah5023 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the "quads" we see today are 3.25 at best. We're in such a rush to innovate and push quality has gone straight out the door. Edges don't matter more than ever, excessive prerotation is staple, and full blade on toe jumps just is not a problem at all. In fact, if you're in the right school you'll get plus 4s for this. And be rewarded PCS you don't have because your technical content is just so difficult even if you don't execute half the jumps correctly. Watching the "sport" implode is all we're doing.
@theprinceoftides6836
@theprinceoftides6836 2 жыл бұрын
@@josephappiah5023 Hit the nail in the head. Sad but true.
@phyrruskarimarmalgold3660
@phyrruskarimarmalgold3660 2 жыл бұрын
Maya has a real quad unlike Anna's flutz and fake flip
@falestra825
@falestra825 2 жыл бұрын
@@phyrruskarimarmalgold3660 Anya's problem is that she switches from the correct angle to flat edge while jumping. That is not flutz. Flutz happens when figure skater jumps flip as lutz or lutz as flip (chooses the wrong angle from the start). These things are different, so please, stop writing this every time u see Anya jumps.
@zigmundborisovich1628
@zigmundborisovich1628 2 жыл бұрын
Thx for this videos! You guys doing very well!
@WeLoveSkating1
@WeLoveSkating1 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome thanks for watching ❤️
@ayaikeda5626
@ayaikeda5626 2 жыл бұрын
アンナ・ポゴリラヤの再来かと思うような高身長で美しいスケーターですね。しかも4回転。
@gustavodelgado405
@gustavodelgado405 2 жыл бұрын
Anna was overscored!
@user-gk5ky5pk3p
@user-gk5ky5pk3p 2 жыл бұрын
А почему разбора прыжков Луны нет? Ее приземления
@DSQueenie
@DSQueenie 2 жыл бұрын
This video is only about the quadruple jumps.
@georgiamurray5169
@georgiamurray5169 2 жыл бұрын
This video is only about quadruple jumps.
@user-ht3mb3jd6s
@user-ht3mb3jd6s 2 жыл бұрын
Луну трогать нельзя, она же "умница ", прыгает только тройные
@Svetonosets
@Svetonosets 2 жыл бұрын
@@DSQueenie Then there is no need to dispute Anna's victory. The total scores in quantity still do not affect anything.
@DSQueenie
@DSQueenie 2 жыл бұрын
It’s crazy that Mai can Skate the way she did and not medal.
@princesse523
@princesse523 2 жыл бұрын
Yes but she looks too unhealthy. Had she 10 kilos more I think things might be different
@hannibaljustincase9985
@hannibaljustincase9985 2 жыл бұрын
@@princesse523 She looks much better and healthier than she did a year ago. It's also kinda... rude to comment on her weight when she got so thin due to juvenile arthritis. Not only the illness caused her body to not absorb nutrients properly, but she has/had allergic reactions to some of her meds, and her condition got so serious in 2019 she had to stop all the trainings and got hospitalized at one point.
@princesse523
@princesse523 2 жыл бұрын
@@hannibaljustincase9985 There is no rudeness here, I am just saying that I feel sorry for her and finding an explanation to the fact that she didn't receive the success she deserves. All upside down from you...
@hannibaljustincase9985
@hannibaljustincase9985 2 жыл бұрын
@@princesse523 would you say to someone with cancer that they look "too unhealthy" and should gain weight?
@princesse523
@princesse523 2 жыл бұрын
@@hannibaljustincase9985 This is YOUR idea !!!!
@victoralanis6772
@victoralanis6772 2 жыл бұрын
It seems that most of the people that are not from Russia hate Anna, but the people from Russia love her and its all that matters. Anna may not have the best jumping skills, but in artistry and how soft she skates no one can come close to her and remember the technical score they qualify everything the extensions of the arms, legs,transitions,jumps and every movement they make.
@kodi9479
@kodi9479 2 жыл бұрын
To me, how Anna takes off for the quads, especially the quad flip just seems really messy? The way she skates is very gentle and stuff, but her jumps always seem to have so much (too much sometimes) force into the initial blade on ice take off.
@musawasichelwa1321
@musawasichelwa1321 2 жыл бұрын
Hwr jumps are very labored and to me not aesthetically pleasing...that think she does when she's entering a flip or lutz jump is so jarring.
@kodi9479
@kodi9479 2 жыл бұрын
​@@musawasichelwa1321 I 100% agree- she seems to be able to do everything else with ease, and it fits her style, but how she enters flips and lutzes (Especially) are just.... not it.
@bone9jdjkaye
@bone9jdjkaye 2 жыл бұрын
The bigger problem is the rotation on +3Lo combo than the 4F
@haploguy
@haploguy 2 жыл бұрын
the bigger problem is your eyesight (extra fs for reference, get glasses)
@bone9jdjkaye
@bone9jdjkaye 2 жыл бұрын
@@haploguy sorry, hard to take somebody seriously who says "it's not called a toe jump based off its takeoff" 🤣🤣
@Chastaken
@Chastaken 2 жыл бұрын
İSU making videos about the good techniques and then they give positives goes in fake quads and awful skating skills ... What a joke.
@karenayala4848
@karenayala4848 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly 🙄
@princesse523
@princesse523 2 жыл бұрын
Awful ?
@jonathanm.9801
@jonathanm.9801 2 жыл бұрын
RIGHT. it’s so weird. they always put the quads on the slow-mo video at the end too during the kiss and crys. ISU doesn’t give a shit😹
@Chastaken
@Chastaken 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanm.9801 quads with only three rotations in the air, the first one she is still in the ice. They must think we are idiots.
@jonathanm.9801
@jonathanm.9801 2 жыл бұрын
@@Chastaken RIGHT so much prerotation and barely q. that’s like 3.25 rotations give or take. “qUaD!1!1”
@user-gp8xz6vi2c
@user-gp8xz6vi2c Жыл бұрын
Аня наляпала конкретно. Как оычно, только почему-то всё сходит.
@winycat6341
@winycat6341 Жыл бұрын
Дак идиотов не заставляю смотреть на Олимпийскую Чемпионку
@katerinabrave2980
@katerinabrave2980 2 жыл бұрын
About pre rotation: it's not an ISU rule but only a recommendation that's why nobody decreases goe for it. I think the gap in isu's rules was made on purpose - for fs improvement. Once more ladies jumping Quads, they will be focusing on Quads' quality but not quantity, and they will change the rule
@russki1978
@russki1978 2 жыл бұрын
Whether it's in the rules or not, it is bad technique. Not only that, the prerotation is the result of putting the full blade on the ice instead of toe-picking. This completely changes the jump from a toe jump into an edge jump, making it unjustifiable to award base value much less high GOE. These are not "lesser quality" jumps. These jumps are simply wrong in every way. If the ISU wrote their rules on purpose so that any skater can turn toe jumps in edge jumps and get away with it, then there's something seriously wrong with the sport.
@EM-rm2xh
@EM-rm2xh 2 жыл бұрын
The ISU rulebook (under 'Clarifications') actually does address this. It also states that the Tech panel cannot review takeoffs/pre-rotation. It's an actual rule. This means that many are cheating rotations by taking off much later (up to 270 degrees) than those with proper technique.
@kenanquitco
@kenanquitco 2 жыл бұрын
But would you score jumps with this technique and one with proper tech the same? Say a quad lutz by Boyang Jin and one that Scherbakova does, one barely has on-ice rotation, the latter with excessive; should they merit same GOE’s? How is it even a sport when there is utter disregard for fundamentals that will help standardize judging?
@russki1978
@russki1978 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenanquitco If I were a judge I would not even give base value to Anna's quad lutz because it's neither a quad nor a lutz. So obviously no positive GOE either. Boyang's lutz is perfect so he deserves all the GOE there is. Unfortunately, that is not what is happening now.
@Dan-vl3bb
@Dan-vl3bb 2 жыл бұрын
Why almost everyone say that Anna's rating is overrated and Kamila's is not?
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
because of hate, jealously and etc. They like to claim jduges were blinded by her beauty, while ignoring the facts they were blinded by their own jealously of her beauty
@sharon-bq7kw
@sharon-bq7kw 2 жыл бұрын
at least kamila deserves her goe, although she sometimes pre-rotated, she won't have problems like having flat edges for lutz, which anna always does it and have almost +4 goe, even kamila doesn't get that high score, kamila only gets higher goe than others for spinning
@tagisss
@tagisss 2 жыл бұрын
- Аня, ты лучшая-я-я!! (С) ))
@lucaz3107
@lucaz3107 11 ай бұрын
Her flip is correct edge
@user-so8iv3pk1b
@user-so8iv3pk1b 2 жыл бұрын
Не думаю, что Анну переоценили, всё справедливо. Важны не только прыжки, но и множество мелких деталей. Сложные заходы, выезды, покрытие льда, хореографические связки, ни одного пустого места, это всё баллы. Исключительно точно отработаны даже небольшие движения, до взгляда, пальчика, всё дотянуто и выверено с математической точностью. Тренеры Хрустального просчитывают программы до сотых балла и не упускают ничего. Один из судей объяснил это однажды. Зрители не замечают эти мелочи, но судьи учитывают всё. Именно феноменальная отточенность движений отличает учениц Хрустального, а не только квады и триксели. В этом и состоит мастерство тренеров Хрустального, не только тренировать, но и наилучшим образом использовать довольно сложные правила в интересах своих учениц.
@Svetonosets
@Svetonosets 2 жыл бұрын
Нужно объяснять зрителям такие моменты, но судьи у нас все молчаливые, а зрители сами всё дорисовывают. О программе судят исключительно по прыжкам.
@tookrest3503
@tookrest3503 2 жыл бұрын
Переоценили или нет, вопрос спорный и дело не в том, как красиво со стороны выглядит - это отражается в компонентах. В технике смотреть надо на ребра, выезд, ось, о чем собственно это видео. Тем более о вопросах оценок нельзя говорить про справедливость, ФК - субъективный вид спорта, особенно надбавки.
@elizabethtruthpeace
@elizabethtruthpeace 3 ай бұрын
покрытие льда, сложные заходы... 😂😂 у Щербаковой 0 из вашего комментария.
@rickcruz7620
@rickcruz7620 2 жыл бұрын
Maia had full blade assist and her jump is called quad TOE! It shouldn't get a 2+ GOE
@haploguy
@haploguy 2 жыл бұрын
it's called a toe jump because of how the inertia is stopped, not by the takeoff, dum-dum
@isaazevedo2506
@isaazevedo2506 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say it’s hard to keep watching this sport, it’s just so frustrating, the judging makes absolutely no sense, wrong technique all over being rewarded with high GOEs and blatant overscoring for “certain skaters”... All I wish is that at least everyone would be judged the same, I like all skaters and think they are lovely people but all this injustice makes me like some of them less and it’s not even their fault... it’s sad really, this competition made me so frustrated I don’t even wanna watch the next gp
@feyanormorfol2457
@feyanormorfol2457 2 жыл бұрын
Judges appreciate all kinds of technics, and prerotation is unlimited for both men and women in current (and previous) rules. Look at Shoma. Yes, he has so-sayed "excessive prerotation". But no one forbid other skaters just do the same thing.
@isaazevedo2506
@isaazevedo2506 2 жыл бұрын
@@feyanormorfol2457 “all kinds of techniques” cannot be “accepted” and I’m not even talking about pre-rotation, a “quad flip” with no edge and landed on the quarter can’t be rewarded with +3 GOE, especially not when other perfectly executed jumps from other skaters are awarded less
@feyanormorfol2457
@feyanormorfol2457 2 жыл бұрын
@@isaazevedo2506 why not? Bring me a link to the rule, please, which forbids prerotation.
@isaazevedo2506
@isaazevedo2506 2 жыл бұрын
@@feyanormorfol2457 I’m not talking about pre-rotation, if you read what I said I’m complaining about uncalled (!) edge and landing on the quarter (q) and honestly I’m not gonna lose my time searching for rules if you can’t understand something as simple as this... and if you think a skater that executes a jump perfectly should be awarded less GOE than a privileged skater that can do something less difficult (wrong technique) and still get higher points than you don’t understand how competitive sports work (should work)
@feyanormorfol2457
@feyanormorfol2457 2 жыл бұрын
@@isaazevedo2506 I'd say it was after quater, even the author is not sure. But there are other GOE key-points like difficult entry, good height at least, smooth landing, transitions before jump and after landing. All of it doesn't matter!? I'm not mention about uncalled edges and underrotations of other skaters. But of course you are only looking for confirmation of your "corrupted ISU" bias.
@NK_5969
@NK_5969 2 жыл бұрын
А в протоколе указано у Ани верное ребро.И как понимать
@chikayum2607
@chikayum2607 2 жыл бұрын
Как по мне всё правильно с ребром,видно что внутренние ребро
@Dina_Gutekulova
@Dina_Gutekulova 2 жыл бұрын
@@chikayum2607 , меньше слушайте доморощенных экспертов. У нас каждый суслик - агроном.
@chikayum2607
@chikayum2607 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dina_Gutekulova да понимаю… Просто сам занимаюсь фигурном катанием 8 лет.
@Serge772
@Serge772 2 жыл бұрын
@@chikayum2607 "наружние ребро" у флипа!?
@olgapavlen5924
@olgapavlen5924 2 жыл бұрын
@@Dina_Gutekulova я тоже угораю. Судьи, комментаторы это все фуфло, здесь в ютубе сидят истинные знатоки ФК🤣
@lar.8168
@lar.8168 2 жыл бұрын
I really, really want to see Maia in Beijing, alongside Trusova and Valieva
@angieortizurena3327
@angieortizurena3327 2 жыл бұрын
ISU judges are a joke..
@justtennischannel
@justtennischannel 2 жыл бұрын
Scherbakova 4F should be always judged as UR, or determined as 3,1F. Maya's wonderful full blade, prerotated 4T. Congrats to the judges and skaters. "Well-deserved medals". ISU, WE ARE NOT BLIND!
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
ISU : stfu, yall told us try not to kill the girls by forcing them doing quads that cant be done without damaging themselves (Knee), and we are doing just that
@susannekrusen1167
@susannekrusen1167 2 жыл бұрын
Maja did the best quads
@SergejKrolik
@SergejKrolik 2 жыл бұрын
You should analyze nonRussian skaters (who is close to them in scores) technique as well - unless you want to be labeled as biased antiRussian hater. For example in this competition you should compare Russians technique to Loena Hendrixx technique or Mihara's technique. Until you start to do it - I will never push the like button. If you want to be fair - be fair to everyone.
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
nah, russians bad, stick to that betetr
@andreabacco1347
@andreabacco1347 2 жыл бұрын
Their techinque is so poor that every jump looks like the same one. ISU should introduce some rules about pre-rotation. If the jump is so much pre-rotated, then it should be a triple, not a quadruple. And again, if a flip or a lutz has excessive pre-rotation then it is not that jump, but something else.
@user-ti6xm4rz4f
@user-ti6xm4rz4f 2 жыл бұрын
Стыдно завидовать.🤮
@tagisss
@tagisss 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-ti6xm4rz4f Что там за вой на болотах, Бэрримор? )
@feyanormorfol2457
@feyanormorfol2457 2 жыл бұрын
Why other skaters can't simply use "excessive prerotation" and land the same jump?
@user-ti6xm4rz4f
@user-ti6xm4rz4f 2 жыл бұрын
@@tagisss ,ну сразу видно,товарищь из бывшей "братской" страны,прям пахнуло ...
@hannibaljustincase9985
@hannibaljustincase9985 2 жыл бұрын
@@feyanormorfol2457 well, it's a very complex matter in general. first of all, that prerotating technique is not sustainable in the slightest- that's why you don't see Alina competing anymore and Satoko is barely rotating any of her jumps. next, it has to be applied from a very young age- and you know, coaches should teach you proper technique of jumping- you really can't learn that when you're older, let's say like Tuktamysheva, it is equally impossible for her to learn to jump like Anna as it would be for Anna to jump like Liza. you also have to consider Tutberidze girls train much, much more than other camps, that's why they are very consistent with their jumps and results, but are prone to stress injuries and short careers due to overworked joints, muscles, bones etc. There is also the fact that quads from ladies are a very new thing, and seemingly not many other coaches have figured out how teach them to girls at the moment.
@jhm752
@jhm752 2 жыл бұрын
Flutz…
@marialuisameneghin4209
@marialuisameneghin4209 2 жыл бұрын
Both should have golden medal..
@DeepSeas..
@DeepSeas.. 2 жыл бұрын
This result is such a sham. Anna had an unclear edge on both her “lutz” and her “flip,” which, combined, she does FIVE of. That means there’s automatically five jumping passes that the technical panel can evaluate and give a “!” to, which would erase about 8 points in GOE that were falsely awarded to her. Furthermore, she landed at the quarter on the 4F!, 3Lz!-3Lo, and 3F!-Eu-3S, which should’ve, along with the unclear edge, out her GOE in the negative for those jumping passes, subtracting event more from her technical score. This alone would’ve put her into silver position, and it’s not even accounting for the inflated GOE on all her other elements and inflated PCS. These results are such a scam and the scoring system allows judges to pretend like they’re based on some semblance of objectivity. At this point you might as well switch back to the 6.0 system because then at least the public is blatantly aware of when the judges are pulling a fast one.
@isabeltimmers6135
@isabeltimmers6135 2 жыл бұрын
totally agree
@princesse523
@princesse523 2 жыл бұрын
I think it is the difference between an artist and a teacher, sorry
@Svetonosets
@Svetonosets 2 жыл бұрын
Enough of this dilettantism. Programs are not only about jumping.
@gmp9521
@gmp9521 2 жыл бұрын
Слушайте, вы бесконечно ломаете копья насчёт Ани....поймите, что вас просто засасывает элементарная зависть...да, бог спустил богиню на землю, да она , по Пушкину, " гений чисто красоты". Аня воплощение совершенной красоты, а мы редко смиряется с этим...но примите это, порадуйтесь этой красоте( это же понятно, что все Сатоки и т.д.просто эстетические уродцы по сравнению с ней), тем боле, что золота ей не дадут---- она хрупенькая и нежнейшая по сравнению с мощной от природы Камиллой...эта девочка чудесная, но наши сердца с красотой Ани
@yohanes2034
@yohanes2034 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-pz5yx4pb3e Anna got higher SS mark than Satoko with her "dragging the other foot" crossovers. I just can't
@user-zd9vw8su5s
@user-zd9vw8su5s 2 жыл бұрын
From "another angle" you can say NOTHING about Anna's quad because you can't see direction of her jump there. 4F is rotated, it's obvious at the 1st angle of view.
@tookrest3503
@tookrest3503 2 жыл бұрын
На первом замедленном кадре видно что есть небольшой недокрут, + вначале прыжка пол оборота на льду (это кстати у многих квадистов , так что смотрим только на ребра) Достаточно посмотреть направление полёта и приземление ноги по параллели.
@user-zd9vw8su5s
@user-zd9vw8su5s 2 жыл бұрын
Show me words 'prerotation' and 'blade assist' in the ISU Handbook. Or stop your BS.
@hannibaljustincase9985
@hannibaljustincase9985 2 жыл бұрын
"poor takeoff" is a negative goe bullet
@user-zd9vw8su5s
@user-zd9vw8su5s 2 жыл бұрын
@@hannibaljustincase9985 and you think you know what poor take off is?
@hannibaljustincase9985
@hannibaljustincase9985 2 жыл бұрын
@@user-zd9vw8su5s do you?
@user-wj7nb5pl6r
@user-wj7nb5pl6r 2 жыл бұрын
Аня грибованная по жизни
@winycat6341
@winycat6341 Жыл бұрын
У вас отсутствует интелект по жизни
@anuniemoose2209
@anuniemoose2209 2 жыл бұрын
yass FLOOP queens. 🤡 I love Anna but that's not a real quad flip
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
no one is doing a real quads among the girsl...even the boys category according to the book
@yohanes2034
@yohanes2034 2 жыл бұрын
The bonus of being world champion is real. I just realize that Anna got PB there, outscoring a performance where she landed 2 quads. I was quite surprised she got 92 TES for 1 quad program, just show how much she got paid in GOEs.
@lariosik1494
@lariosik1494 2 жыл бұрын
2,99
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
you realize scoring isnt limited to just quads? go back to assess the rule books and realizes tonnes of options available to scoring aka 3lutz
@yohanes2034
@yohanes2034 2 жыл бұрын
@@minus21334 I've read the rulebook thank you. If I might point out, her pcs has groen considerably since she became WC. Before she was scoring behind Aliona and now she got pcs higher than Aliona in her peak. His skating arguably deteriorate due to injury and she becomes slower than her senior debut. The GOE for every element also increase. That's my point, her 1 quad program got bigger score compared to her 2 quads program because how overscored she has become while nothing has improved and arguably become worse
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
@@yohanes2034 PCS isnt just about technicality, her ability to be in sync with the tempo and beats of the music with her technical skating skills are unmatched by any. Even her spin was completely in tune with the BGM. Her 1 quad program was compensated with other combos. ISU is obviously sending out signal others could learn and do the same rather than being obsessive with jumping more quads.....no 1 even bother fking watching men programs because Nathan Chen is dominating by just jumping. Also there are ~ 13 criteria justifying GOE scores iirc.
@yohanes2034
@yohanes2034 2 жыл бұрын
@@minus21334 if you think Anna skating skills are great then you're a lost cause. 💀 Her spins have deteriorated compared to when she was junior. Her spins are slow and often not centered now. The firebird program is arguably better choreographically speaking compared to whatever this is. Look, I'm not saying that jumps are everything and your example of Nathan is spot on. But everything she is right now is worst version of herself in 2019 - 2020 season. So there's no reason why she was scored higher except that she has become so overscored now
@tabithadehaan8405
@tabithadehaan8405 2 жыл бұрын
Such a shame about bad technique. The blade assistance, prerotation and landings.... judging should be changed for real. It is hurting the spory
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
nah, girls should just do quads the way they are comfortable with. enuff with these obsessions that's ruining their health
@user-lz8vr8ww5z
@user-lz8vr8ww5z 2 жыл бұрын
Отстаньте вы от Ани. Когда ваши зарубежные деревянные сардельки научатся делать хоть часть того, что делает она, тогда и разглядывайте их под микроскопом.
@elizabethtruthpeace
@elizabethtruthpeace 3 ай бұрын
щербабот, покажи лучше верное ребро у своей блатной
@thekat3086
@thekat3086 2 жыл бұрын
I am happy for both of these skaters, esp Anna getting one quad back, but objectivity applied, Maiia deserved to be first. Yes, she has bad toe loop technique, but she landed two quads cleanly and the rest of her program was as clean as possible. Anna had a q on the quad flip with an unclear edge and a bunch of errors in her other jumps that weren't called for the sake of putting her first above Maiia because she's the RusFed's spoiled favorite. I pity Maiia and all the other skaters Russian or not being downgraded just for the favorites to get the gold medal. This sport is truly dead when it comes to integrity and a mockery.
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
objectivity applied, yall should watch quad competition and not figure skating. the sport will be dead when everyone was just jumping around like monkeys, they might as well do it without the BGM as well. ISU knew quad is hard on the girls, pretty much relaxing the rules to allow the girls achieving it by all means necessary. but then westerners who couldnt win sh1t and redditors start screaming like mad men and throw shades at Anna who's trying to perform. i think they should redefine the PCS criteria, and should only be based on performance, not quads. leave all the quad scoring to TES, so that the quads addict can stfu
@user-cz8hg7fv7u
@user-cz8hg7fv7u 2 жыл бұрын
Как же Вам не даёт покоя победа нашей Анечки!!! Вот судейская команда оценила катание ее и выставила оценки, но нет же начинают под микроскопом смотреть диванные профессоры и выставлять вот такие видео. Анна заслужила эту победу и не вам судить!! А я восхищаюсь ее талантом! Дай Бог тебе здоровья и дальнейших замечательных прокатов.
@DishaLeftWhiteBlueWhite
@DishaLeftWhiteBlueWhite 2 жыл бұрын
Оценки должны быть честными. Аня бы выиграла и так, но ей насыпали грибов. Переоцененное выступление обесценивает победу. Такова диалектика.
@DSQueenie
@DSQueenie 2 жыл бұрын
@@DishaLeftWhiteBlueWhite I think that’s what is so frustrating. Anna was clearly the best skater when you consider technical and artistic. However she should not have won by that much.
@gmp9521
@gmp9521 2 жыл бұрын
@@DishaLeftWhiteBlueWhite дорогая, это чистой воды зависть....подлинной красоте всегда завидовали, и свирепо ..лучше это осознать нам, обыкновенным, и просто любоваться Аней, за бесплатно...я не могу опомниться, что такая красота , да ещё в фигурке,и на таком уровне, имеет место быть ..и вы любуйтесь
@gmp9521
@gmp9521 2 жыл бұрын
@@DishaLeftWhiteBlueWhite просто, как мычание коровы ..зависть, элементарно, Ватсон
@sashashurova9437
@sashashurova9437 2 жыл бұрын
@@DishaLeftWhiteBlueWhite все эти экспертные мнения относительно ребра или недокоутов основаны на фантазиях диванных экспертов на тему того, что стоит учитывать при оценке прыжка. А не на реальных правилах. Все в открытом доступе - бери читай, но нет, мы будем под микроскопом искать неверное ребро там где его очевидно нет и там где это очевидно не важно, забывая про то, что спортсмен делал до и после прыжка. А потом удивляться почему одной девушке с шикарнейшим ребром поставили меньше, чем Щербаковой с неясным. А потому что её тренеры делают программы, опираясь на официальные правила, а не правила диванных экспертов. Сложный заход на прыжок и сложный выезд, а не разгон через 2 катка с идеальным ребром. Но если говорить про грибы, ситуация такова, что у подавляющего большинства девушек из других стран беда-бедовая и по диванных правилам, но про их технику говорить не принято. И тогда мы начинаем петь песню про недооценённую хореографию соперниц с одухотворенным лицом во время кораблика, про красивые платья, не то что у Рябко. Забывая про то, что интерпретация хореографии - это один из многих факторов оценки за компоненты.
@user-le4eo2og7p
@user-le4eo2og7p 2 жыл бұрын
Сколько развелось специалистов по квадам! Русские фигуристки покоя не дают
@elizabethtruthpeace
@elizabethtruthpeace 3 ай бұрын
еще бы вы в школе выучили, что русский ≠ российский. неуч, сначала программа обществознания за 7 класс, а потом уже попытки лить воду и отмазывать грибницу блатную
@user-ym6pb6zz1c
@user-ym6pb6zz1c 2 жыл бұрын
シェルバコワもフロミフも相変わらずルッツとフリップが汚いのよね。 フロミフの4Tはエッジべったりだし... 4Tはある程度プレロテするけど、それでも半分以上プレロテしてるのはやりすぎだなぁ。 シェルバコワは相変わらずプレロテフルブレードだし、エッジエラーだし、回転も足りてないじゃん。
@BludgerKnight
@BludgerKnight 2 жыл бұрын
Prerotated na nga, lands at q pa, very bad technique. And she keeps winning. Poor other skaters
@carlcarranza8475
@carlcarranza8475 2 жыл бұрын
Hahahaha so glad may kaparehas akong sentiment na pinoy hahahaha
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
pre is not a foul, and no 1 is doing a proper quads by definition. stop whining and abuse the poor girl
@Leirix61
@Leirix61 2 жыл бұрын
Anna is almost too fragile for quads, Maiia not the power athletics although, but better and higher.
@minus21334
@minus21334 2 жыл бұрын
it's a miracle she could do it tbh given her physique
@yelenayegorova9061
@yelenayegorova9061 2 жыл бұрын
So many " qualified specialists". It's such a bias. Why don't you analyze the same way other ladies in figure skating? Why always Russian girls? You can't admit they are the best in the world. According to you all the judges are " blind" and not conniseurs. Such a shame...
@Maca-fh4uk
@Maca-fh4uk 2 жыл бұрын
dear elena, i am russian and this channel analyzes only russian ladies because they are the most overscored. That’s it, you don’t need a master to understand that..
@GrandmasterPoi
@GrandmasterPoi 2 жыл бұрын
@@Maca-fh4uk such a false statement based on nothing. Check the Loena or Mai or especially Satoko jumps from the same competition.
@Maca-fh4uk
@Maca-fh4uk 2 жыл бұрын
@@GrandmasterPoi loena mai and satoko were all scored fairly… shcherbakova and maia were overscored , RUSSIAN ladies are overscored, watch sochi 2014, watch shcherbakova at worlds 2021, watch all medvedeva’s jumps with awful technique and flutz where ISU gave her +5 GOE, and for seeing all of that you simply need to know something about the right technique for figure skating.
@WeLoveSkating1
@WeLoveSkating1 2 жыл бұрын
Actually the russian figure skaters are my favorite ! They are amazing
@GrandmasterPoi
@GrandmasterPoi 2 жыл бұрын
@@Maca-fh4uk sure, they "scored fairly" just because you've said that.
@os7266
@os7266 2 жыл бұрын
ひどすぎる。エテリはフィギュアスケート界から追放すべき。なぜ彼女の門下はジャッジが正しく取られないのだろうか?正しい裁定ができないジャッジは不要。
@phyrruskarimarmalgold3660
@phyrruskarimarmalgold3660 2 жыл бұрын
Scherbakova has undeniable excellent artistry but not that much on technicality. Her jumps are obviously questionable. She's extremely overrated to the fact she seems to be treated with extreme bias. It's like seeing a female version of Nathan Chen, just a little bit different in some manner. But so glad Kamila Valieva is there to redeem what figure skating must be especially in Ladies and the Russians as a whole.
@gmp9521
@gmp9521 2 жыл бұрын
Вы просто завидуете Анне, её красоте, красоте во всем, и хватаетесь за Камилу, как утопающий за соломинку...есть такой прием в психологии: человек будет нахваливать худшее, только чтобы ушло с глаз долой лучшее...странно, всё вы так вцепились в Аню---- значит, она более потрясающа, чем мы думали! Вы не думали об этом?
@StewNWT
@StewNWT 2 жыл бұрын
How is Nathan Chen overrated in his flawless technical merti>
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