Quick Tip: Fixing Common AR-15 Gas System Problems

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Brownells, Inc.

Brownells, Inc.

Күн бұрын

The heart of the AR-15 is its simple, robust direct-impingement gas system. But if the gas ain't flowin' right, your rifle will malfunction. Brownells Gun Techs Caleb and Steve share some tips for figuring out what's wrong. First, determine if your AR is over-gassed or under-gassed. Is too much gas flowing or not enough? The key is to watch how your rifle ejects spent shells. On a properly functioning AR-15, they should zip out of the ejection port at about 3 to 5 o'clock. If the shells eject FORWARD, your rifle is OVER-GASSED because the shell isn't clearing the ejection port before the bolt closes again. Easiest solution for over-gassing: install an adjustable gas block and dial back the gas flow. (Alternate fix: try a heavier buffer.)
Short-cycling or not fully ejecting spent casings is usually a sign of being UNDER-GASSED. Make sure the gas block fits snug on the barrel's gas journal and the gas tube fits tightly into the gas block. If either is loose, gas will leak and there won't be enough left in the system to cycle the action properly. A loose gas key on the carrier will also cause a loss of gas pressure. This is why you always want the screws on the gas key tightened down and "properly staked." And if the gas tube isn't correctly aligned with the gas key, it can wear the key over time, causing another gas leak. Finally, check for worn out gas rings on the bolt. Caleb shows us his handy trick for determining if the gas rings are worn. If these fixes don't solve your gas system problem, we'll be flabbergas.... ted!

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@onionhead5780
@onionhead5780 3 жыл бұрын
25 cent part shut my rifle down. I had a brand new gun that I had malfunctions with the first time a shot it. It was not extracting the spent cartridges a couple times while firing a 30 round magazine. When I got home and cleaned the rifle and checked it I noticed one of the gas rings were broken. I replaced it at a cost of 25 cents and now it shoots like a sewing machine. Hopefully this intel is helpful for someone. ✌️
@digitalsmooth8377
@digitalsmooth8377 2 жыл бұрын
My first time out the taper pins on my ar556 popped out and I think it caused the gas tube to dislodge. I put everything back and am waiting for another pin before I try to fire it again. I’m going to have a gunsmith check it out first
@billlee1724
@billlee1724 Жыл бұрын
lol get ak, ak shoot
@BravoJulietAlpha
@BravoJulietAlpha 9 ай бұрын
So you didn't inspect it before you shot it for the first time. This is exactly why you take the time to do a thorough inspection of any firearm before using it. Fortunately nothing terrible happened and the only thing you lost was a little bit of your time. It's amazing how little people pay attention to potentially dangerous things. Do you even look both ways before you cross the road.
@shantor100
@shantor100 6 ай бұрын
​@BravoJulietAlpha well, people assume a new gun is done right. Crossing the road, really
@ryanguldbrandsen7672
@ryanguldbrandsen7672 6 ай бұрын
​@@shantor100Depends on the maker.... I bought an aero upper and I made sure I did a full quality inspection. The flash hider was loose and the gas block screws were loose. Buuuut, when I bought a Geissele full rifle. Everything was marked with a yellow paint marker, checked, and I didn't feel the need to check the rifle at all. You could tell it had some QC done with it. The BCG is different. I QC check every single BCG. I disassemble the bolts and see what kind of extractor springs they have. Give the gas rings a spin and do the drop test. Check there ejectors and spring stiffness. Check the bolt face for flatness. I check for proper head space on the rifle with a go and a field gauge. Then I give the BCG a full light coat of oil and grease the rails. Not quality checking rifles is a mistake. Not quality checking a BCG is lacking on common sense. Daniel defense, Geissele, BCM, LMT, all of them NEED to be checked. You're just asking for issues if you don't.
@roykiefer7713
@roykiefer7713 3 жыл бұрын
Fellows - Simply a quick note to thank you for these tutorials. They are very well done and every time I watch, even when they don’t directly apply to me, I learn valuable things.
@michaelotto8696
@michaelotto8696 4 ай бұрын
OK, gotta say it. I was in a pool of applicants to work for Brownell's sometime in the mid 80's. They were looking for a catalog copy writer and I threw my hat in the ring. Actually had 3 interviews but didn't make the final cut. I think my comments on "creativity" torpedoed me as they were very concerned about maintaining their unique catalog presence. I got that. If it's still out there, the Brownell's catalog is truly one of a kind. Really written by gun aficionados for gun aficionados. And in a really entertaining way. Loved getting those paper catalogs in the mail! Never been an AR fanboy but recently came into a few examples at an estate sale. Because they were very affordable, I availed myself. Brownell's has been a wealth of reliable information. As it worked out, my career path was a little strange but ended very (very) well for me. Always got a soft spot in my heart for Brownell's. Steven and Caleb are awesome in these tech bulletins and the information is truly priceless. Thank you Steven and Caleb for all you do!
@robertowens3232
@robertowens3232 2 жыл бұрын
The other check is to check the gas tube alignment and condition of gas carrier key bevel. With the BCG stripped down, re-install the bolt carrier while holding the upper assembly at a 45 degree angle (muzzle down). Hold the bolt carrier out part way and release. Under its own weight, the carrier should slide in all the way and the gas tube should align with the carrier key. If the gas tube moves a lot or stops the carrier, the gas tube is bent. But also check the carrier key to ensure the two screws are tight and staked. Ensure the bevel end of the carrier key is not damaged, round and no burrs which usually occurs from dropping the carrier on the ground. Just in case anyone wonders, I was an Army Warrant Officer (MOS 913A), TACOM LAR, weapons instructor, and gunsmith.
@jeffhester1443
@jeffhester1443 Жыл бұрын
Great tip and explanation. We were always told not to drop the bolt. Now I know, thank you sir.
@whiteyfisk9769
@whiteyfisk9769 Ай бұрын
Nobody was wondering
@audikid89
@audikid89 3 жыл бұрын
Misaligned gas tube is a great example I never thought about thank you
@johnniewasr5740
@johnniewasr5740 2 жыл бұрын
I have a PSA upper that has a slightly crooked gas tube that rubs on the side of the gas key a little. The upper functions perfect as of now but I keep that in mind if I ever start getting signs of being under gassed.
@jasonkrohn5416
@jasonkrohn5416 3 жыл бұрын
I got a barrel for A.R. 15 I was building and was having issues, come to find out (thanks to Brownells and the tec line) the gas port hole in the barrel was drilled too small so I had to drill it out. My butt was tight the whole time I was holding that drill 😆 but now the gun works gr8.
@Pyreleaf
@Pyreleaf 3 жыл бұрын
Clenched cheeks is a perfectly natural reaction when doing delicate work on a machine that creates tiny explosions next to your face.
@rhubarbpie2027
@rhubarbpie2027 3 жыл бұрын
Let let me guess... Harbor freight bit index, coredless drill with a Jacobs hand tight chuck?
@scottashe984
@scottashe984 3 жыл бұрын
@@rhubarbpie2027 That should remedy the tight butt situation.
@goinhot9133
@goinhot9133 2 жыл бұрын
Oh no. Hopefully you checked the gas port hole for size first to make sure that was the culprit? Could have been several things, and you just fed it more gas then necessary to compensate for another issue 😬
@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760
@jwilsonhandmadeknives2760 2 жыл бұрын
OP did the correct fix. He stated that he spoke to gunsmiths. it’s not rocket science. Ex: if your port should be .093 you put an .093 drill bit in the hole. If it won’t fit, the hole is too small. Guns are not lab equipment. If you oversized the hole it’s simple enough to throttle it back with an adjustable gas block or a heavier buffer. An overgassed rifle is way better than an undergassed one.
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 3 жыл бұрын
Another check for the gas rings is to insert the bolt into the bolt carrier and hold it by the bolt face vertically. If the bolt carrier falls off the bolt you need to replace the gas rings.
@edwinfadabundii3793
@edwinfadabundii3793 3 жыл бұрын
Love these father-son gun knowledge vids
@cfh13
@cfh13 3 жыл бұрын
That tip of the bcg holding its weight is a great piece of information. I'd been wondering when to replace the rings. You got that Retainer pin in so damn quick. Thats the one thing to give me trouble when reassembling.
@davidmatz5036
@davidmatz5036 Жыл бұрын
Those tips with illustrations are golden nuggets, especially for newbies. Thank you!
@AndrewTPewPew
@AndrewTPewPew 3 жыл бұрын
Love your vids like this. Would truly enjoy some more long form stuff as well!
@garfylunds7301
@garfylunds7301 3 жыл бұрын
Nice description of problem guys. Thank you. Definitely a concur for me on the gas block.
@pistolgrips
@pistolgrips 3 жыл бұрын
Always clear, concise and informative. Everyone can understand the process if they pay any attention at all.
@jimmychavez8653
@jimmychavez8653 2 жыл бұрын
The standing bcg gas ring test is fantastic! I teach that in my AR-15 cleaning class at the range I RSO for. It’s amazing how many bolts have worn gas rings in them. A lot of rifle owners don’t even know to check things like that.
@philweed1603
@philweed1603 3 жыл бұрын
Best gun videos are with these two. Great job, guys!
@bendover3820
@bendover3820 3 жыл бұрын
The Coffee cup thing is funny!
@davejalenderki
@davejalenderki 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I now know that my gas rings in my M16A1 that I was issued in the early 90's were worn out. I remember how easily my bolt would slide out. Cool. Thanks for sharing.
@mbxx2
@mbxx2 3 жыл бұрын
This is quite helpful, I just got my first AR and the bolt has a pretty tight fit in the carrier, and until I saw this video I thought that was a problem, luckily now I know better.
@JenkinsStevenD
@JenkinsStevenD 3 жыл бұрын
True story. I learn a ton from these guys.
@project86xero
@project86xero 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah there's always little things that you think are an issue until you learn their designed that way for a reason. For example I've seen several people who have opened up their buffer weights and added shims to make them tight so they don't rattle back and forth. However that rattling back and forth is intentional. It acts like a dead blow hammer to prevent bolt bounce. Which is why I have a problem with those stupid tungsten BB/powder filled buffer weights. They're generally a gimmick more than anything. If you put them in a machine gun, which I know is hard to come by, they won't function properly. It's generally not a problem for semi automatics. But it isn't helping things. If you think about it the three free-floating weights always move in a straight line. But powder or BB's act more chaotic. You're basically losing energy every time. Making it less efficient for the weight. It can make your gun feel like it's shooting softer, however in reality you're causing minor changes in how the gun fluctuations that can cause issues later. I personally don't think it's a coincidence that I've seen 3 bolts with broken lugs over the years. An only two of the three we're fairly new bolts from decent manufacturers. However both guns had some type of stupid buffer filled with loose powde/BB crap.
@mbxx2
@mbxx2 3 жыл бұрын
@Corat You're not wrong.
@tomahawk5827
@tomahawk5827 3 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as always. Especially the simple test of the gas rings.
@billcarlson852
@billcarlson852 Жыл бұрын
Big fan. I watch all your videos! Best video yet.....you explained a problem with the gas gun a lot of us lack the understanding from experience. Undergassed OR overgassed....now I know... mine is Undergassed. Thank you soon much for making these videos...
@dfl19034
@dfl19034 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Now could you show us how to replace those rings.
@michaelkennedy996
@michaelkennedy996 3 жыл бұрын
Liking twice!👍👍
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelkennedy996 Take a pick or little screw driver and pull them off and replace, Easy peasy...
@silvergrizzly316
@silvergrizzly316 3 жыл бұрын
U can use a dental pick. 👍👍
@weloveups831
@weloveups831 3 жыл бұрын
Great information Thank you
@RaspingPompano2
@RaspingPompano2 3 жыл бұрын
These videos are so helpful to people like me who might have issues and not really know what to look at..
@michaelbingham661
@michaelbingham661 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome tutorial, took care of my issue in one video. WAY TO GO!!
@johnwesley8327
@johnwesley8327 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips, thanks guys.
@RB-vt9ku
@RB-vt9ku 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your KZfaq tutorials. They are a learning experience. The best way to fix over gas is to use an under sized gas tube it has a smaller hole allowing less gas. An adjustable gas block just adds another thing that wears out way too quickly.
@Petryfied
@Petryfied 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Steve is like that proud dad who taught his son well about firearms so now he just sets back in honor watching his son tell the tales of a rifle 😂
@CoryHobbs2178
@CoryHobbs2178 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer to avoid adjustable gas blocks on a serious use rifle. Vltor A5 buffer system is king
@jeff9104
@jeff9104 3 жыл бұрын
Always great tips, thanks !
@marknemeth539
@marknemeth539 3 жыл бұрын
Good video...love these types of vids....keep up the good work..Airborne!!!
@Timeshifter32
@Timeshifter32 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great vid guys, keep up the good work!
@christiannewman9309
@christiannewman9309 2 жыл бұрын
Great video guys! I think this will solve my AR issues.
@jamesmartin7282
@jamesmartin7282 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips!
@godfaithfathersfamilyhorse
@godfaithfathersfamilyhorse 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video, one of my favorite channels!
@brownells
@brownells 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@jeffreykielwasser3637
@jeffreykielwasser3637 Ай бұрын
I had a gas seal get bent and lock the gun up,was a real bitch to get it apart,brand new ruger ar556. Wound up replacing the bcg with an aero precision bcg,now it works flawlessly
@captaintimbailes7971
@captaintimbailes7971 2 жыл бұрын
That was great and I think that is the problem my weapon has had for a while now. Thank you.
@user-fj4qp5eo5j
@user-fj4qp5eo5j 9 ай бұрын
That's why I have two ARs and one Mini 14. I have a series 584. No, it's not as accurate or as tacticool (featureless model with wood stock), but it's not prone to any of the malfunctions listed in this video. It's also much easier to clean.
@kronickkronick
@kronickkronick 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video this is exactly what I've been looking for on KZfaq but what if when need to change any of the parts??
@albertptran
@albertptran Жыл бұрын
Simple and to the point, great vid
@markstefura2082
@markstefura2082 3 жыл бұрын
You guys are great. I am new to the AR platform and have learned a lot. Please keep it up! Thanks
@JessPeters-qg1bn
@JessPeters-qg1bn 10 ай бұрын
So my bolt failed the collapse test. I ordered new rings, passed the collapse test. It got even worse. Before it would eject the spent shell but not load the next round. Now it won't eject the spent round.
@oklahomahank2378
@oklahomahank2378 8 ай бұрын
@@JessPeters-qg1bn. Did you install the rings in the correct direction?
@JessPeters-qg1bn
@JessPeters-qg1bn 8 ай бұрын
@oklahomahank2378 yes. Turns out there was major carbon blockage in the gas tube.
@oklahomahank2378
@oklahomahank2378 7 ай бұрын
@@JessPeters-qg1bn Interesting. Thanks for the answer. I don’t think I shoot mine enough for that. I see the guy from School of the American Rifle use a piece of trimmer cord to check that. I occasionally clean mine with the extra long “craft” pipe cleaners.
@JessPeters-qg1bn
@JessPeters-qg1bn 7 ай бұрын
@oklahomahank2378 I asked my gun Smith what I could do to prevent that from happening. He said no. Shoot enough it will happen.
@goinhot9133
@goinhot9133 2 жыл бұрын
Bore dimensions inside the carrier can make it gas efficient or inefficient. Love the DI system, more to the equation then most realize
@elias8720
@elias8720 3 жыл бұрын
Wow i really like your videos! I am an AR15 Owner myselfe. I think they are very educational as well as entertaining and provide a lot of tips and tricks. Keep up the great work! Greetings from the beatiful Alps in Austria :)
@brownells
@brownells 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@project86xero
@project86xero 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I always suggest looking at is carrier and buffer tube length. Which generally isn't an issue on production guns. However home builds, especially ones with tacticool folding or short pdw receivers like the maxam or law folder. Basically sometimes if the buffer tube is just a bit too long or the carrier is a bit too short for the system the gas key can strike the back of your receiver. If it's a major issue you'll find out pretty quick. If it's a minor issue it could eventually cause the gas key to loosen or crack without you noticing. The simplest way to test this is to push the bolt carrier group into your receiver extension until it bottoms out. Do this with the upper is off the gun and the buffer/spring still installed. Look at how close your gas key gets to the back of the receiver. You should be able to fit about two quarters in between the back of the receiver and the gas key. If it gets close to striking the back of the receiver try adding a quarter to the back of your receiver extension. If it's really bad you might need to add two. Just make sure your bolt carrier still has enough room to lock back properly.
@jesuslovesme9138
@jesuslovesme9138 3 жыл бұрын
I watch SOTAR also! :)
@project86xero
@project86xero 3 жыл бұрын
@@jesuslovesme9138 nice. I actually work with some guys who've taken a few of his classes. I'm in Philly so he's only like two hours away. If you want to know the ins and outs of the AR platform SOTAR is the place.
@jamest5804
@jamest5804 2 жыл бұрын
I have been assembling AR-15s since the 80s, primarily for myself and some family members. I have had very few problems over the years and nothing that wasn't easily resolved until now. I recently built a 10.5 inch .223 SBR for myself using new quality parts and after maybe 40 rounds discovered an under-gassing problem when shooting cheap Wolf ammo and even when suppressed! Long story short I started checking the gas system starting from gas block and working back toward the chamber. Everything appeared to be in spec and correctly assembled. So I tried it again using good quality brass cased ammo and it still not right. In fact it was worse!! I remembered this video and re-watched it to see what I overlooked and stopped when you said gas key. I had ignored it as the problem because it was a "new bolt" and I only verified the rings. But I pulled it out and sure enough I saw the gas key wobble and it wasn't tight or staked. It only had a very slight pin prick on both sides of each bolt and was getting looser after every firing. I knew better but still overlooked the possibility of a loose gas key because it was new and expensive. Lesson learned. Thanks again!
@videostellall
@videostellall 2 жыл бұрын
Good point on the tube alignment. It happened to me.
@timothymroberts2949
@timothymroberts2949 3 жыл бұрын
Great information
@xochj
@xochj 3 жыл бұрын
You're both great! Thank you!
@Josiah0344
@Josiah0344 2 жыл бұрын
Super to the point information here👍🏾👍🏾
@drenk7
@drenk7 3 жыл бұрын
The AR-15 is such a brilliant design. Thank You guys for informing us of these characteristics.
@colt45peacemaker
@colt45peacemaker 2 жыл бұрын
AR gas design SUCKS! should have been a piston design then able to use all power levels of ammo and absolute reliability without over pressure, under pressure, gas rings issues.
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 2 жыл бұрын
@@colt45peacemaker The AR is a piston design, try again...The AR is a reliable design, what makes you think it isn't ???
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 2 жыл бұрын
The internal piston design is the best for mitigating recoil. Stoner was a genius....
@colt45peacemaker
@colt45peacemaker 2 жыл бұрын
@@hairydogstail gas impingement design
@hairydogstail
@hairydogstail 2 жыл бұрын
@@colt45peacemaker Internal piston..All gas operated firearms are gas impingement..Long stroke, short stroke and internal piston...Many call the AR Stoner rifle direct impingement and it isn't..It is an internal piston...
@johnmflores85
@johnmflores85 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video.
@bab777734
@bab777734 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@claudio9932
@claudio9932 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you
@brownells
@brownells 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@jimmypavone3231
@jimmypavone3231 9 ай бұрын
I've got an upper that's over gassed even with a heavy buffer and spring. I am going to try one of those configurable gas tubes from BRT.
@iBleedStarsAndBars
@iBleedStarsAndBars 3 жыл бұрын
Gas block alignment with the gas hole in the barrel is important also
@docholliday3273
@docholliday3273 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!!!!
@manuelluna370
@manuelluna370 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video Thanks.
@ThePatriotParadox
@ThePatriotParadox Жыл бұрын
If I feel my gas tube slight touching going into the gas key I should get a new gas tube& maybe block? Thank god, bought my BCG from y'all so if it breaks in anyway I can get it fixed or replaced! BROWNELLS FOR THE WIN!
@timrobinson6573
@timrobinson6573 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on getting an old single-shot break open shotgun up and running. There are a lot of these shotguns sitting in peoples closets but they might need a new firing pin or have a cracked stock or something. Where do you get those parts? How do perform some of the common parts replacements?
@themoldysoldier
@themoldysoldier 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys
@cboli9418
@cboli9418 3 жыл бұрын
The hair,” EPIC”! Sheen on the hair,” LEGENDARY”!
@davidduncan2865
@davidduncan2865 Жыл бұрын
My daughter in law bought a new AR that would cycle brass 5.56 just fine but would not cycle steel. I found machining chips in the barrel gas port. Works great now.
@jamesferguson2353
@jamesferguson2353 3 жыл бұрын
Ends with the double coffee salute got to love it
@charleshurley2582
@charleshurley2582 3 жыл бұрын
I have been having FTF issues with a new build. Checked and reinstalled all parts TO BE SURE THEY ARE CORRECT. However, I believe the batch of hand loads I was using 22.5 grs. AR-comp and 75 gr .Hornady HPBT, 18 Criterion barrel. is not producing enough gas to complete the cycle, i.e. lock open on last round and, or, feed new round. Looks like a slight short stroke as cases eject at 3 to 4 o'clock and about 6 to 7 ft. Testing with factory rounds tomorrow. Hope this is the answer.
@dodgersfnshepard8673
@dodgersfnshepard8673 3 жыл бұрын
This video came at the perfect time, thanks gents!
@brownells
@brownells 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@scottsgonehunting
@scottsgonehunting 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate these videos
@brownells
@brownells 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@kansasgardener5844
@kansasgardener5844 2 жыл бұрын
How about gas leaking around a gas block? How much is normal how much isn't? Should you fix it or will it fix itself? This would be a great video for you guys to do. Mine leak so I googled it and seams to be a very common problem but couldn't find a video. From what I understand is unless your getting an under gassing issue it's fine and will sometimes seal itself. You could also discuss clamp on gas blocks vs set screw has blocks. Thanks for the great videos!
@danliberty734
@danliberty734 3 жыл бұрын
Synchronized Slurp = We Done Talking Now. 🤣 Thanks for the information.
@garfylunds7301
@garfylunds7301 3 жыл бұрын
I like the indication that you are still getting all that extra gas if over gassed and adjusting for in with buffer. Never thought of it like that. So I will always try the adj. Gas block first.
@AmmoshortageNP
@AmmoshortageNP 8 ай бұрын
Make sure the gas key is properly milled and not packed full of metal shavings or other debris. Got one that was packed full of metal shavings out of the box brand new.
@jolei6865
@jolei6865 3 жыл бұрын
Great 👍🏻 keep doing it👍🏻
@m.g.s.7758
@m.g.s.7758 9 ай бұрын
Excelente saludos desde Monterrey, México
@NordicViking88
@NordicViking88 3 жыл бұрын
AR10 was over gassed and adjustable gas block fixed it beautifully. But before I did that I tried to do it with an adjustable heavier Buffer that didn't work and not only is it hard to find for the AR10 they can be just as expensive as the Adjustable gas block just get the one that works.
@colt45peacemaker
@colt45peacemaker 2 жыл бұрын
Heavier Buffer doesn't do anything for over gas issue. My AR10 is severely over gassed to the point of not ejecting with any ammo.
@CT-Woods
@CT-Woods 3 жыл бұрын
Wow I learned a lot
@Mattj93
@Mattj93 6 ай бұрын
“That means that a lot of rounds have been through your gun… A LOT!” Literally every Marine in basic training lol
@BlueCollarDude101
@BlueCollarDude101 6 ай бұрын
Who's cheesy idea was it for both of yall to sip that coffee at the end?? Lol
@KaBar762
@KaBar762 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing to consider with your gas rings is the barrel and gas tube length. Shorter gas tubes will wear out rings quicker.
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant 3 жыл бұрын
Great point, overlooked often.
@LUR1FAX
@LUR1FAX Жыл бұрын
That's why my guns have quarter mile barrels!
@arconreef
@arconreef 2 жыл бұрын
One of the selling points of one piece gas rings is reduced friction. As a result, the vertical friction test demonstrated in this video is generally not useful for single piece gas rings, as a properly designed one piece will not produce enough friction to hold the carrier up even when new.
@robertowens3232
@robertowens3232 2 жыл бұрын
Standing the extended bolt upright to see if the bolt carrier collapses over the bolt has unfortunately been passed down through generations of Army personnel. The TM clearly states to field strip the bolt from the bolt carrier and reinstall the bolt in the bolt carrier. Then, hold the bolt carrier upside down and see if the bolt falls out of the carrier under its own weight. That is the correct test of the three gas rings (unless the TM has changed after 2014). I still test the gas rings in this matter. Gas rings seldom need replacement unless the operator damages a ring reinstalling the bolt in the carrier.
@dandowns9669
@dandowns9669 2 жыл бұрын
.300 blackout. 15in carbine gas. Works perfect. Right off the rip it works perfect. Shoots great. Cycles perfect etc. I'd say it was right on the money, BUT.. its ejecting really far rearward and casings are most definitely bouncing off the "hump". Now, in the search for perfection I'm tempted to dig in. Common sense says leave it alone. Thoughts ??
@5jjt
@5jjt 2 жыл бұрын
Rubber City Armory sells an adjustable gas key, as an option against using an adjustable gas block.
@hopewilliams6705
@hopewilliams6705 3 жыл бұрын
I had a buffer come apart one time causing crazy stove pipes when I first got my ar and took me a cpl days to figure out
@fjb4932
@fjb4932 3 жыл бұрын
"...and took me a cpl days to..." I read that as " took my corproal days to..."
@williamholzer2362
@williamholzer2362 3 жыл бұрын
I called a technician at Brownell’s and was told an over gassed system would eject brass back to the 4-5 o’clock position. The under gassed system would eject foreword 3oclock to 1oclock. I just heard this video explained it the other way forward was over gassed rearward under guest
@colt45peacemaker
@colt45peacemaker 2 жыл бұрын
Video is correct. Over gas throws forward 1:00 position.
@robertsimpson3225
@robertsimpson3225 3 жыл бұрын
Very helpful information, thank you.
@TCNix-xt7pt
@TCNix-xt7pt 2 жыл бұрын
So I had an under gas issue on a 20” rifle build - cycled 5.56 but not .223. Confirmed gas flow then replaced the buffer spring with a flat spring - next step was going to be to take an oz out of the 5.2 oz weight. Cold or light fire both rounds cycle but heavier fire sometimes the last .223 won’t lock the mag. Should I lighten the rifle buffer 1 weight? Any downside? Thank you, your series is very informative. Best
@RyeOnHam
@RyeOnHam 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, wow. I just noticed the green Versa-Vise next to you on the table! Small world.
@josephboisvert2030
@josephboisvert2030 3 жыл бұрын
Great!
@3gungreg
@3gungreg 4 ай бұрын
Preface, I'm a 3 Gunner and shoot about 3k rounds per year in my Noveske rifle. I use 3 piece gas rings and replace them every year. Years ago, I had a gas ring fail during a major match that resulted in a non-cycling rifle. Gas rings are inexpensive and should be a regular maintenance item for your AR.
@jamierosengarten3263
@jamierosengarten3263 3 жыл бұрын
300 blk out is a little different, I had an extremely under gassed one and it was throwing around 1 to 2 o'clock but not far out....had to increase the gas system and change to a 300 blk out buffer spring.....
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant 3 жыл бұрын
Yea, the different calibers on the platform do change the troubleshooting a bit.
@eddiejohnhurst1
@eddiejohnhurst1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!!!
@bryanshaw4434
@bryanshaw4434 3 жыл бұрын
Would that also apply to a Springfield M1A .308. My shells end up in front of the bench
@juliandavid230471
@juliandavid230471 8 ай бұрын
Buenos dias, ya se limpio todo el conjunto de los gases y el problema continua, solo realiza un disparo. De antemano gracias por su respuesta.
@Ehtereon11B
@Ehtereon11B 3 жыл бұрын
I have known a lot of shooters that were die hard convinced that the gas rings on the bolt had to be aligned. I have even pulled out metal pins, cut to length, that someone put in to keep them aligned.
@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant 3 жыл бұрын
All for not, gas ring alignment is indeed a myth.
@philscott9405
@philscott9405 2 жыл бұрын
would a softer spring or heavier buffer work for being under gassed? doing the 'one' bullet test, my bcg is not coming back all the way and locking in the open position.
@3rwparks3
@3rwparks3 2 жыл бұрын
New barrel and gas system installed at the factory. It is definitely a low gas situation. Is there a chance the adjustable gas block was turned down at the factory during installation?
@theotist65
@theotist65 7 ай бұрын
Built a new .300 Blk, it fires but then the extractor won’t let the round go nor will it eject. I’ve looked at the gas tube as best as I can and the key has the stakes I’ll have to check the rings as see what’s going on
@motonut007
@motonut007 Жыл бұрын
Gas ring isn't the only failure that lets the carrier drop when testing. A carrier with too large a diameter from either wear or poorly manufactured and too loose tolerance can drop and show as a failure.
@simply_based
@simply_based 2 жыл бұрын
I've heard may recommend against adjustable gas blocks for defensive AR's(if it's a range toy or comp gun it doesn't matter nearly as much). They're typically far less reliable than a fixed block. The best think I've heard for over gassing is to increase buffer weight and bolt carrier mass. This also helps with recoil and general reliability. InRangeTV has a great video on this interviewing one of the co-designers of the AR-15.
@NoNo_IStay
@NoNo_IStay 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Smith and Wesson M&P10 that was under gassed. I could not figure out why. It would short stroke even with the hottest 308 loads. After weeks of testing different ammo, and taking it apart more times than I can count, I discovered that the gas port in the barrel was actually the wrong size. It was far smaller than factory tolerance.
@skiball83
@skiball83 3 жыл бұрын
Wow odd for a smith but every manufacturer has some issues. Did you try a lighter buffer first or jump right into an adjustable gas block?
@colt45peacemaker
@colt45peacemaker 2 жыл бұрын
Adjustable gas block can not add gas to an under gassed short stroke issue.
@msquared9605
@msquared9605 10 ай бұрын
Does anyone know if the bolt carrier stand test should be the same on ar308? I have one about 300 rounds through it, really overgassed and the bolt collapses under its own weight
@hankleonardo7851
@hankleonardo7851 2 жыл бұрын
My issue is that I can fire the first time but have to pull the bolt carrier each time I fire...it has been that way since I purchased it...is there anyway of fixing this issue without sending it back to manufacturer?
@sandymitchell8182
@sandymitchell8182 4 ай бұрын
I NEED HELP have a upper that ejects 1o clock, I don't remember it ever doing this but maybe it did?? I put a comp on it and that's when I started to notice the weird ejection pattern, I put a 5.8 Oz buffer in it, nothing...I changed bolt carriers from a whole different AR, nothing,,, I even put the original flash hider back on, and nothing seems to work?? It's a cheap upper and that in itself could be the problem? Who knows, anything else I could look at? Check? Etc, if nothing can I put a new adjustable gas system on it ,it's a 16 mid length 🤷 thanks in advance
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