Same to me. I have only been out 4 years and I am struggling now. Part of it is getting back into the rhythm and getting my timing down, but the other is how they are oiling the lanes. From my local alley (one that I have never bowled at previously) it seems to be just like what MO is saying. I try to stand 20 or deeper and throw to 15 but it wont face up. Even if I straighten my line and throw 15 it likes to push a lot, and if you get it in, it doesn't try to hook until the last 10 feet. Tonight I think I finally learned to play the outside standing about 8 and throwing at 5. Then keep chasing left just barely when it starts to face up too hard.

@@tlalexander3 in my experience with house shot at the places I bowl at its best to a little more up the back of the ball since the outside of the lane hooks so much. Helps me control the backends. ( im a two hander at a more high friction house)

Same

Not all his solutions are for everyone though,, Remember that,, But his mindset is very intricate :)

isnt that the truth, i feel so depressed with bowling right now. i have avg 185-195 for 10 years and right now im 175 because it seems after game 1 im just completely destroyed with bone dry lanes, i have 3 different balls set up to have high, med and low hook depending on the oil that night but this season they all hook and react the same, it doesn't matter what i use or how i surface them i have to throw a massive inside shot from gutter to gutter just to hit pocket. I know a lot of people dont have this problem but with my rev rate i have to completely change the way i throw the ball. Its like learning to bowl all over again

@@brettrobbins2707 the bowling balls are much more aggressive today than they were 10 years ago so that area the lane changes much quicker a hint is to use a different hand position to allow you to play deeper inside on the lane to catch that oil to get to the down dryer Lane position your break point that should help you out a little bit but I understand your frustration

I agree, I'm a 210 average bowler who is now averaging 170's because of the Wet/Dry and quick breakdown of the oil pattern. I can't keep up with the quick changing lane condition. On a 5 man team, by the time I get to bowl, my shot has already changed again. Found out from my buddy who oils the lanes that they are only using 27 mil of oil for 42 feet. I'm not sure what to do. Buy another new ball and have that drilled a specific way for Dry conditions. I was thinking one with less hook like a Brunswick Rhino or Track Tundra just for this crazy HS.

@@frankesposito2229 yeah with the lanes changing every three or four frames the lane conditions change pretty frequently I bought one of those rhinos they hook a ton even with a slip agent on it it's still hooked a lot 27 ml sounds like a lot of oil we put 21 on our lanes and we are loyal 41 feet sounds like you're lanes are getting Cliffted

@@lylebarnard7447 This is what I did tonight. We have a 4 person team on Friday nights. I moved in throwing my strongest ball ( Hammer Scandal Pearl ) one board left of the third arrow (16 to about 9, 7 ). This ball is drilled to start rolling in the mid lane. It hooked nice for the first two games and by the 3rd game I had to switch to the Hammer Web Pearl, which goes a little longer and kicks on the back end. With the Scandal I stood at 34 and moved to 38 the start of game 3, at that point I started to get some over/under so I switched to the Web Pearl and had to move back to 34 and finished the game with 4 strikes in a row. 200, 225, 201. Needless to say tonight is not the competitive night that Wednesday night is, where most of the bowlers have hooks and throw it on the right. We had 2 lefties tonight which helped preserve the lanes a little. I'll know more after Wednesday night if this strategy will work and I can stay on top of the changes.

That's what I've been doing. Can't get the big game, but hanging around 600 . What are you doing to get higher sets?

@@anthonyharrison8855 Last night I was on an atomically Wet/Dry condition. I used my smoothest ball, my DV8 Poison and even it was jumping, which it never does. Right of 7 was dead dry, left of 7 was super flood. So if I missed right of 7, split, but if I missed left of 7, washout, 5-7 or flat 10. Finally in game 2 I pulled out my Widow Spare at 500 grit with a high flare layout and rolled right up 8. The ball rolled early and set and floated to the pocket, totally ignoring the wet dry. Suddenly 6 strikes, with sanded plastic. Sometimes less is more.

@@nordattack thanks my friend. My wife definitely can use this.

Averaging 230 in my Thursday leauge in a house that actually blends oil to the edge, it's great. Other house, 188 avg. Last night it was so dry, almost no blend, just a small strip down the middle of oil. I show 163, 156, 222..... the 222 was my white dot. Said F this, and just stood 15, and rolled 10 and walked into pocket. Was one bad pull from shooting 250+

@@chriswebbtech I play at one center that uses very little oil, most of us use plastic or urathane... really sad in 2020... guys complain all the time about how there high end ball hooks to hard. They are in disbelief when I bowl a 215 with plastic...

old wood (and poorly maintained-oiled) lanes in my town. some video insight on those as well?

dry area

Yeah he was lookin pretty gaunt...lol

Easy. Play cross lane, open up your wrist to take the hook off the ball. Use a spare plastic ball. It won't hook much at all.

Yes this is killing me. Throwing the ball great and struggling to shoot 200

@@anthonyharrison8855 I feel your pain.

I dont mind people using urathane but when it's there 1st ball on the fresh I'm like "seriously?"

Debatable. A sanded reactive resin/someone shooting spares with plastic will screw up a pattern faster. Urethane will affect tournament patterns after a 6 game block, but in league, no.

Yes. PSA, mass bias and high RG are all the same. Just nomenclature differences.

IMO yes 2000-4000 is medium on the THS I like 2000 on new oil then as line gets drier and the ball surface gets smoother (lane shine) and by the end of a league night I've moved my feet inside about 5 or 6 and target 2 or 3

@@AverageLeagueHack about the same for me. Once in awhile I'll move 8-10 boards by the 3rd game at certain facilities. Moving is something bowlers need to do more often.

this is actually a pretty solid idea.

The short pin will give a urethane like ball reaction without the early burnout, destroying the heads so quick and pushing oil down lane.

Or throw a purple hammer

How much different is the Hammer Flawless than the Hammer Web Pearl? I'm using the Web Pearl now and still can't get enough length and keep my ball right. Layout is also 60x4x35.

I use my old Roto No Rules on the wet / dry

@@joepic85 I use the Brunswick twist