You don’t roll per model?

@@jimijames6449 Nope, you roll dice equal to the number of models inside the transport and then pick whichever models you'd like to see dead.

I can see how people could call it a bit 'Gamey', and yet it's also incredibly fluff-friendly for Orks to do that XD Use Grots as ablative padding haha!

The grots also give you the option to catch some more wounds with the grots shield strat, which is stupidly expensive but can be life or death for your nob units. If all they did was catch transport-loss wounds it'd probably be better to find something that can actually fight to share the transport instead - MSU boyz or burna boyz, for ex. Burna boyz can make it painful to charge the forcibly-disembarked survivors with overwatch as well, so you see them occasionally even with the grot/nob mix. Lot of room in a wagon.

@@TechbotALPHA Grot padding haha! I remember that being in one of the books I read. I think Brutal Kunnin

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Thats what i called my list in BattleScribe Lol

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In general, never underestimate the value of a cheap unit that can do stuff your good units would be wasted on doing. Servitors are another example for, say, grey knights

Having 2-3 grots let’s you zone out enemy deep strikes and allows all your killing units to move up field.

They work fine, this list is just the current flavor of the month for high-end tourney play. You're losing out with them compared to the goff melee waaagh builds, but not so badly that it should matter in everyday play.

A big weakness of SpeedWaagh! right now both thematically and in-game is that the rules for being able to advance with assault weapons on Turn 1 of the Waagh aren't helpful for bikers or buggies because they're mostly Dakka weapons, which used to count as assault weapons with an extra rule but no longer. So your ultimate mobile army really suffers for not being as mobile as others while still having the general weakness of such an army (lower model count, less threat in melee, etc.). Such a shame as Dakka weapons used to be just up jumped Assault weapons and would have worked liked this, still feels like a massive miscommunication in the writing of the codex. SpeedWaagh is definitely still viable at a semi-competitive level though. Warbikers not cracking this list is more about how good squigboyz and stormboyz are than any inherent suckiness of that unit. They're also an entire list of very up to date models which is awesome on that end of things. Warbikers generally are a good long term investment as along with grots they're one of those units that just seems to be eternally useful regardless of edition. Agree with what Rich says. DO NOT buy an army solely on the basis of competitive viability unless you're literally made of money as what has value now and what has value two year or even a year from now in that sense might be very different. Back in 5th edition everybody and their mother was running rhino and razorback spam because they were dirt cheap and took advantage of the broken powerful vehicle armor rules in that edition. Low and behold 6th came around and new rules made those lists totally non-viable.

With free strategic reserve they have got a bit better, reserve a Gorknaut then it can come in, shoot, then do a 3d6 rerollable charge with ramming speed

@@MrBlonkers1234 I like that. That could be fun. Put 3 meganobs in it too.

@@MrBlonkers1234 That's right - and they are even better as they get a clan trait in the Arks of Omen detachment to add to their efficiency. They still probably aren't the best for the points but now OK enough to try. My son played this trick against me and it is such a big threat.

Ork Killtank is legit a sleeper unit that always catches people off guard whenever I run it.

Are they purple?

The only rebel grot players I know all use guard rules for them, I think it's a lot more thematic to have a grot general issuing orders than to have a grot warboss that's T6.

@@KingBobbito IIRC, one of the 1st ed. books (Freebooterz perhaps) had rules for a gretchin warband. I ran one of those and a dreadmob (mass of orky dreadnaughts with a couple meks and painboyz to keep 'em running.) Rogue Trader era was great.

@@KingBobbito that would make sense both thematically and gameplay wise, yeah.

@@Xhumed if you want to see a cool grot rebel army similar to what I mean, 40k in 40 minutes has a good one, a search like "play on tabletop grot rebels" will give you it

I’m paying the 10 points each for rockets. 4+BS is pretty good and you get a bit of punch on heavy infantry or vehicles. Even with ramming speed you don’t get ere we go so it’s not so guaranteed to make a charge out of SR.

@@peterandjunko thanks yeah I will probably go for rockets now

Only core and character models get the advance and charge. All models get the other benefits though.

Because that (including the Trukk) is about 300 points, with Waaagh bringing each Nob to 4 klaw attacks each hitting on 4+ (rerolling with 300 point Ghaz within 6"), S11(12 if Goffs+charge), -3AP, D2 (D3 with strat) So it seems super OP on paper, but in an actual game, there's a lot more setup involved to be able to have that happen, such as making sure Ghaz is within 6", getting all your Nobz into melee, strategem costs etc. Plus, melee is what Orks do best 👌

Yeah, and if you screened properly they kill the expendable unit you left for them, fail to consolidate into anything, then get to evaporate in your turn. T5 2W and 4+/5++ for ~22 ppm is not a great defensive profile in this edition of the game and they're right out in front of you whole army by themselves waiting to die. They're disruptive, but hard to trade well with against anyone who knows what they're doing.

@@richmcgee434 Dude.. did u read what u wrote? 22p for T5, 2W, 4+/5++ this is some kind of a discount and better than for example Intercessors. They have a better profile than aggressors and are even cheaper xD

@@prime8718 Intercessors are fragile as hell too, and that's with a 3+ save rather than a 5++ that lasts all of one turn. Aggressors shoot like mad and still fight competently in melee, where nobs are melee only and will not reach it at all without a trukk, so tack on that 70 points and hope you go first because it's likely to pop if you don't. You've only ever got one unit of trukkboyz now, and your opponents will kill them or screen them if they know what they're doing. Which you clearly do not. Muted for wasting my time.

​@@richmcgee434 I bet you feel cool and important

They'd be fine if they were part of the gretchin unit instead of a seperate character, doesn't help that they're too many pts too but its the character keyword that has killed them, so many Orks lists just give away assassinate points.

​@@joeofdoomOnly real use I can think for them is putting 1 on Battlewagon with Ghazghkull and Makari. 1 spot left empty. You can throw him on it so if you suicide it you have an extra meat shield to protect Ghazghkull.

Runtherds/Zodgrod are relatively weak in terms of rules. If GW had some sense, giving them a buff in 10th Edition would mean a lot more utility for Grots (and more sales of all of those units).

Just run your runtherd with his weird staff weapon as your fat weird boy and his weird staff weapon and save yourself $30+ and suddenly the model is popular again. 😉

My 3 runtherds have been converted into a mek and 2 weird boyz, it's a great little proxy model atleast haha. Can even just make them nobz once you run out of characters you want to kitbash.

Absolutely this. I'm so sick of the ramshackle upselling. It's pure garbage and no one ever remembers it. Even its wording is painful to read. It's just bloat in the codex and should be cut.

@@What2Have4Dinner I'd rather see it become meaningful (like, say, a vehicular transhuman effect) than vanish altogether, but it certainly needs something. OTOH useful ramshackle would probably increase costs, and we're already paying for it somewhere so we'd be double-taxed.

Angry much?

Think they are channeling their inner ork most likely

It's 5 points to maybe kill a single space marine, but requires a 110 point unit to take 1 and the extra 5 models makes it harder to hide them. If you're struggling against d3 mortal wounds wait until you find out about psykers.

Eh they're ok for 5pts much better if theres any vehicles around but recently I've had most of mine not go off.

They're hardly worth shouting about. You can only unleash one per round per unit and require you to get fairly close so even the units that can take two (ie tankbustas) generally shouldn't bother, and maybe d3 mortals per ~75-110 points of the few units that can take them is nothing remarkable. If they were more than 5 pts they'd never be taken.

They get the top spot cause they score points easily every game.

Theres almost no lists where Don't take 2-3 to screen out deep strikes and score homefields for dirt cheap, why wouldn't you?

Game isn't all about killing stuff. Grots are one of the very few Troops that are actually a good bargain for what they do in this game.