I'm glad you enjoyed since this video gets more angry people than any other that I made. You sir get a pinned comment. Thanks for watching!

Just bought a 1990 signature w/112k miles. Two window lifters both on the drivers side crapped out on me this week lol. Hilarious but shit.

This video is epic. I'm so appreciative of him for telling the truth.

I own a 92 and a 95 and the 92 actually has a better turn radius who knows why.

I have a 1996 Town Car Signature Series with 122K miles on it that I want to move out of if anyone is interested. It is my everyday car that has a ton of upgrades and rides like a dream.

Same here. Cream Cartier with Black ragtop ONLY 72k miles 💘 Doing her 1st oil change since i got It with 68k ONLY thing is i plan on Replacing the black ragtop soon with A tan one. Gunna set me back $650

Cool I just bought one for 180

Joe McCarthy love it I wish you have youtube videos it would be nice thanks

I have had two town cars and most of the time the window problem is an easy fix ! There is little plastic pieces in the motors that fall apart , you clean out the plastic pieces and put three little nuts in instead and put the motor back in !! I have never had to put in a new window motor !!

The only problem I have is with the alarm going off and I'll either fix it or eliminate the alarm system altogether

I wish I knew you in real life.

Why does anyone care about your gender, we get it u had a town car good for u but guess what nobody wants or needs to know if ur a girl or guy,

Yep, they're very nice cars when maintained properly.

I have a 97 signature gold series with 61,000 28.7 mpg highway

@@larrysr1160 My daily is a 92 blue signature series. 177k on the clock. Runs great, handles fine, takes to the road like a dream. Mine was pre-motorized trunk latch and mechanical climate control so no issues there. The fact is if you get a well maintained example they are great cars. One of the best drivetrains on one of the best platforms Ford ever made. You don't have to be a fan, but recognize it for what it really is.

@@EarlofBaltimore Oh I love my town car. I bought a 1996 in 1998 and loved it so when I saw this 97 with 61,000 miles I jumped on it They are without a doubt among the best cars ever made.

I agree. Awesome cars

Glad you enjoyed. You're one of the few that do enjoy this particular video.

Yeah, it's information with an angry sense of humor. The mercon V thing was a bit exaggerated with today's prices, but a few years ago, not so much. It used to be nearly $5 extra per quart. There is a difference between fast and safe. My 94 Impala SS isn't fast by any means, but it can definitely get it's big ass rolling for passing power.

haha im laughing my ass off at these review videos butt yes $5 extra a quart is fucking expensive when you account for the 12 quarts these boats take

Running and driving isn't the issue with them, never has been, it's the little stuff that breaks. My mom had a 90 town car for 10 years and it had these items break. My dad and I fixed them as the broke, but it still happens.

Absolutely. It's an excellent first car.

You bet 1994 to 1997 are the ones i like best . They are the square body and have a frame like a truck . They scored high on every type of wreck . You can pick one up cheep between $3000.00 & $6000.00 with low miles . Its a lot of car for the money they were around $40000 00 new.

Absolutely.

i have97 and i love it 4.6 is in it one of the best motor ive ever had and i had that car at a 135 mph so has that under power

Tigerfire75 I think you are a Chevy or dodge fan that’s way you are talking bad about this car man! Just by looking the video I can see 2 chevys and a dodge whit a good Cummins engine just because of that I can say that you judge the car wrong! Does cars are well known for lasting long time!

Pretty much. I've encountered a handful of issues over the years, most common is the oil filter adapter gasket, but for the most part, they will go 200K+ miles with ease.

On the subject of Town cars, I had a '91 and the day I bought it, the fuel pump went out. (Of course). Fortunately, the '91 was the only year where you could reach the fuel pump without having to drop the tank. The problem was, the car was built for California and had Cali-spec emissions system. The nylon clips included with the new pump were the wrong shape, well, after a lot of fuck around. A guy at NAPA found the correct clip, it was a GM part! Fucking Lincoln.

Understand that I'm not trying to push people away from a specific brand or a specific car, it's all about going into a deal armed with information. Any used car is going to have quirks, I've never seen one that didn't. These videos are about showing people what to look for before purchase. I like the town cars, they're good cars, even the stuff I talk about is minor. If the car you're looking at has all of these issues, then it probably wasn't maintained, up to you to decide if you want to fix it, or try to find a better one.

Mafia especially

I NEVER expected this video to be my most hated. I thought for sure it would be the Mustang or Camaro videos. They're good cars, but do have some quirks. It's always better to know about the quirks before buying.

Sorry for the late reply, I missed this comment. Glad you enjoyed it.

Yeah, they're good overall, mostly minor issues.

93 is fine, aside from these common issues. $500 is a great price, provided it's not totally ragged out.

There is one in the back of each head and two behind the flywheel on the block. It's highly unusual for freeze plugs to leak on a 4.6L car, I've never seen it happen. I think it's more likely to be either heater pipe that runs under the intake or the intake gaskets themselves. If you can pull the alternator off and shine light under the intake, you might see antifreeze under there, which would indicate the heater pipe.

Well it leaks from the rear of block in the center. The motor was also over heated about a year ago and slowly got worse. Motor runs fine, but drops water if not running or if pressure builds.

Yeah, there is drain for the intake valley at the center rear of the block. There is a little spout that comes through the block, directly from the water pump and the heater pipe connects to it. Fairly common for that guy to start leaking and way easier to check for than a freeze plug.

They're definitely better than Cadillac, but there was nothing wrong with the good old fashioned coil spring. It did it's job fine. I know that every panther based car I've owned didn't do worth a damn in the rain.

JC316 I can understand that. At least with coil springs that is one less thing to go wrong. About the rain part, perhaps the panthers you have driven did not have traction control where as mine does. Or maybe they all happened to have crappy tires?

No traction control on them. Must be better than the traction system on the Mark VIII, cause that is completely useless.

98+ have a modern traction control system, not that anything on a RWD thing helps. The 97+ Marks too. The older system does not reduce engine power, it is based on Torque vectoring and braking spinning wheels. The newer system will cut engine power. Believe it or not modern RWDs BMWs use a similar system (as the older one) if you turn of stability control. People don't like their power cut. Like the Town Cars it can't be turned off. 90s BMWs also used that ATE ABS/TC setup. You can also install a locking rear axle in a few hours - same 8.8 axle as explorers, F150, Mustang etc. In my experience you don't have to shim much. I have a mustang carbon fiber trac lock and the newer Traction control in my 98 and I'm very satisfied. I never have problems in the rain or snow.

Strange how taking them slicks off &putting a decent set of tires on stops all that . Maybe this guy should improve his mechanical ability . Own 2 a 95. &a 97 for when i ware out the 95 . I never want to drive anything else.

People had a weird idea of luxury in the 80's and 90's. Digital dashes and digital HVAC's are some others that could have been left in the idea drawer.

That's actually in the notes, but yes you are correct.

And that's good. No car has a 100% failure rate, so if you find one that you love, stick with it.

Unfortunately the problem with ball joints is that most repairmen dont have the proper equipment to fix ball joints in this car. They will usually pound the new ones back into the socket with hammers instead of a press. That makes the socket out of round and causes the almost immediate need for another replacement.

Had a 90 for years, then a good 10 panther cars on my car lot. Every single one was terrible in the rain. Wasn't just me either, my family had the same issues with them. I'm a good driver, no tickets and no accidents that were my fault. This wasn't a case of lead foot, it was a hydroplaning issue.

Neutral safety switch on the transmission. Pretty common for them to act up. If you pull up on the shifter while turning the key, it might start. Replacing the NSS isn't difficult or expensive.

How'd you do that?! My '97 has the pulldown trunk and I HATE IT. Sometimes it works great, and other times it will engage and then take an hour before it fully closes.

Best car ford produced in the 90's is a very low bar. Taurus, escort, contour, Festiva, probe, and tempo weren't exactly fierce competition. Mustang, Panther cars, and Thunderbird were the only good ones from that era. If you think a teenager can harm a 4R70W with bad driving, you have no business commenting on anything automotive related. I''ll put my 94 Impala SS against a panther car for both power and gas mileage any day of the week. I've had multiple panther based cars with good and different brands of tire, they all handled like crap in the rain. Nice Texan stereotype, but I rarely see a gun rack any more. Too many damned yankess moved here and pitched a hissy fit, not man enough to handle seeing a rifle in a truck window.

actualy i think the Dodge ram 1500 you mention is way to good for this idiot. Nope he is in love with his Yugo

I'd drive a dodge ram with steer horns above the grill and a gun rack on the rear window. What can be more American than that.

@@316Autos Guess you've never had teenagers then that think they can drive cars like in video games with the car rolling out the driveway in reverse on a steep incline and slamming it into Drive over and over again. Eventually any transmission won't shift properly if you do that act enough times. And those teenagers are adults now, moved on new lives and children and I still own both the 1996 approaching 405k and 1997 Towncars with the 1997 approaching 495k. I cannot see a Taurus, Escort or a Contour even getting close to that in miles without going thru at least 3 engine overhauls.. A Probe or Festiva possibly over 200k but definitely not a Tempo which was an absolute sh*tbox especially the first year of production. Mustangs were terrible back in the 80's especially the V8 4 speed which I owned and that thing was a nightmare due to body integrity issues, emission and clutch problems in fact the clutch was so heavy in that car that it broke the drivers seat rear bolts holding the seat in place eventually. CHP was issued these same cars in the early 80's but discontinued using them due to safety issues and poor gas mileage with a Holley carb. A 1985-86 302 fuel injected Mustang would be the better much more reliable years of these cars versus these ecopit (ecoboost aka problematic/unreliable) Mustangs.

I agree. Check out my other videos, I thrash GM as well.

That's a pretty good record, they usually die before then.

I knew I was going to piss some people off when I did these videos, I always thought it would be the Mustang or Camaro fans, I never once suspected it would be town car people. And yeah, I love the panther platform cars too, but they do have issues.

Nope. It's just broke.

Mine never dings. Maybe it's a popped fuse

Good idea. I never really noticed a difference in ride quality when going from bag to spring.

OBut the price is so reasonable now look on ebay, I would never give up my level ride!

The bags themselves were never that expensive, but labor to install them is. The air struts on the Continental and Mark series were the expensive ones.

srsly? bags take 10 minutes to install. Easier than removing a tire. Detach the airline and electrical, unclip the deflated bag and install new. Much easier than installing a spring. Of course a shop is going to rape you for something like that.

True that they're not difficult to replace, but believe me when I say that it sucks to be out on the road and have them pop. I've had cars from the 40's with the original spings.

Glad you found it. Figured it was the pipe, that is usually where they leak from. $600 definitely sucks, but at least it wasn't the freeze plugs.

I feel like they're great cars with a few annoying issues

Yep, just like the yellow headlights that plagued the 90's cars. Plastic was wrong and it did start showing up for years.

This seems to be a mixed bag argument. All of the ones I've owned were terrible in the rain, and I've had other people tell me the same. Then I've had several people tell me that they don't slip. Might be a tire or limited slip situation.

It is your driving ability that sucks in the rain. Old folk who have no business behind the wheel don't have a problem driving them in the rain.

@@Tigerfire75 I take full offence to your statement about old folk have no business behind the wheel, if, you live to become a senior citizen I would love to see someone try to pry your tired disrespectful ass out the drivers seat, you young people take this privilege for granted to get in a car and drive is freedom to go and enjoy whatever it is you are doing. One other thing driving in the rain beats walking and getting wet.

I live in Connecticut. Just bought a 1990 signature series with the 5.0. It really does suck in the snow and rain. Dont have the money for studded tires since work is slow. Not really slipping and sliding much. But the boat doesn't stop. It skids to a halt lol. Great car, bad windows, bad mpg in the city and it slides. But I do drive like a gentleman.

Pretty much spot on. Nice idea with the windows. 0-60 in 11 seconds is terrible over here, especially when you consider that the other full size luxury cars from the same era are in the 7-9 second range. It's fine for daily driving, but merging onto the highway or passing someone can be tricky. The panther cars should have gotten the 225HP version of the 5.0L. No doubt they are good cars.

These reviews were designed to give people a heads up about possible issues, not to shit on the cars. A town car, or any panther platform car will be an amazing daily driver.

@@316Autos well call me John Wilks Booth because I pulled the trigger on the Lincoln

Never heard anything about the freeze plugs in the timing cover. I'm intrigued, tell me more about them. What goes wrong and what are the symptoms?

Yeah, Michelin tires are EXCELLENT - there's no debating that!!

Interesting

It's nearly the same car. The big difference is that it has no air suspension. This generation is a fine car, just has these quirks to watch out for.

80s panthers could have come with air suspension. 1998 and 2003 introduced major improvements. 98 got a watts linkage in the back, better traction control. 03 + moved away from the truck box steering and have Rack Pinion and coilover struts in the front, not much different from a RWD BMW you would buy today.

Oh I agree, they ride fantastic, until the air ride gives out. The slipping is common with all panther based cars, every towncar, crown vic, and grand marquis that I've had did it.

Yes the air ride is great when working but is very fixable. They are not bad to replace either. I like to keep them with the airbags. A friend of mine has a Lincoln Continental and Town Car and I really like them. Both cars had air bags replaced and are great again. But I don't think I ever experienced the slipping effect or at least yet.

I'm glad some people still find it funny. Hands down my most hated video, which I didn't see coming when I made it. It is cool that you have a 90, last year of the 5.0L, my mom had one back in the day.

These videos aren't a "don't buy this car" type of thing, it's more of a "look for these problems if you're going to buy". Any panther platform car is going to serve you well, but no car is problem free.

@@316Autos totally understand which leads to my same conclusion, this platform has more "typical" problems than the Lexus I'm looking at. Would love if you did a video on one of the Lexus LS models!

@@Tech-bv9oj I have very little experience with Lexus. I traded a Taurus for an LS400. The cat converters failed and the leather was shot, but it was good beyond that.

No question. Only thing I've driven that was more comfortable was a 1978 Cadillac Eldorado, you could lose s small child in the padding of that seat.

How's the 90s town car drive and comfort compared to the 90s Deville? Minus the Northstar HG issues.

Vastly different. The Deville has a ton more power and has a far more advanced traction control system. Feels a bit more sporty than the Towncar. The towncar has better seats and a ton more room inside, plus is far more reliable and easier to work on. Between the two, I would take the towncar all day long. Now if you were comparing to the RWD B body cars like the Fleetwood/Roadmaster/Impala SS, I would take the GM all day.

Thanks dude, I love those old 90s Impalas too. They seem to be a bit more rare. I may pick up a mid 90s Deville just for cruising, those things are dirt cheap now. My town car is my highway commuter. I pour the fucking miles on it.

Glad you enjoyed. Is it an OBD1 or OBD2 car? The OBD1 stuff is always a little glitchy with code readers. I usually go old school and count the engine light flashes. If it's OBD2, power is always my first stop or a different code reader, sometimes they just don't like to talk.

Key word there is maintaining. What you're going to find on facebook or craigslist hasn't exactly been maintained.

Lucky ash

I’m thinking of buying one wit 200k miles for bout the same price

@@CesarGarciaggtm try to talk them down ..

Some people don't understand that this is comedy, or at least an attempt at it. How do you think I know about all of these problems? Because I've owned them. There are tons of reviews for people that talk about the good parts of the cars, but not many that talk about the problems.

I don't have to be a designer to know an under powered engine when I see it. Considering the 302/289 has been around since the 60's, it's not like they didn't have time to properly develop a new engine.

You actually don't need a ton of horsepower to get the car up to speed. It actually takes torque to do that. Most people with high horsepower cars can't actually use the horsepower to hit their top speeds. They actually are nice cars that have plenty of power to get up to speed and maintain that speed.

Horsepower is just an equation of torque, but you're right to a degree. Torque gets you moving, horsepower is about maintaining that speed, as well as top speed. Unfortunately the 4.6L doesn't hit peak torque until about 4K RPM, where the old 302 hit peak torque at 2400rpm. You need revs with the 4.6L and that's a problem with a big heavy sedan. That's why 4.10 gears are so popular with the modular motors, it gets you into the power band quicker.

Doesn't really take much torque to get this car going. Also seems to me you don't know how to drive a car in the winter time or in the rain. I never had the problems with my 86 Lincoln in the rain. Of course I know how to drive. So how much time did you serve in prison? Did they give you something to help with your butt? See your problem with your time in prison is you just run your mouth off too much.

Actually it does and the evidence is how slow it is compared to it's competitors. As for the wet weather, the 86 is a different car, there were changes. I've never had one that old, but all of the modern panther cars that I've driven have issues with hydroplaning. So much anger, you really need to chill.

Thats awesome. Not many left with under 100K. I am lucky enough to have a 96 Mark VIII LSC with 80K on it.

The AOD was, is, and always will be crap, true definition of a slush box. The 4R70W was much improved. 5.0L was good for sure, but got the terrible heads in the 90 TC. 4.6L was/is an embarrassment, long lasting sure, but terrible. Lets look at the competition in the 90-97 Range and the max HP/TQ. Ford 4.6L 210HP/275, Cadillac 4.6L 300HP/295TQ, Infinity 4.5L 278HP/292TQ, Lexus 4.0L 250HP/260TQ, Chevy 5.7L 260HP/335 TQ BMW 4.0L 282HP/295TQ. Ford was worst in class on power, and near the bottom in MPG. Plus they're not near as bulletproof as people think, timing chains, tensioners, oil filter adapter gasket, intake leaks, cam journals, spark plug blowout, etc.

Mercon V is $2-$3 more per quart than regular, and that gap used to be way bigger.

Yeah, this comment is getting pinned. That made me laugh, couldn't have said it better. Thanks for watching.

If it is great info and what he says is true then why isn't there tons of old people in ditches or wrecks if they slip like crazy.

@@Tigerfire75 ...cause of wisdom versus youthful ignorance

Keep your truck and rely on your lightweight ass end gettin you through any weather you Poindexter. Fuckn idiot. If it don't, maybe the gene pool will win out!! And....thanks!

@@Tigerfire75 because unlike this idiot, they know how to Drive

Lol, I love guys like you. You are under the impression that I don't know what I'm talking about, even though my comments are based on substantial experience, yet you don't elaborate on WHY you think I'm wrong. The air suspension on these lincolns actually replaces the spring, when they break, you're losing your suspension, which causes the symptoms that I spoke of. The towncar is slightly better because it uses a spring up front and bags on the rear. The continental and Mark VIII use both an air strut and a rear air bag.

Dude.. You do not look that old.. Maybe 30.. But then again.. The older I get the younger you guys look... At any rate. You are not the only one with experience. The factory air springs are the way to go on these cars.. They last a long time and are an easy fix after 20 years or so when or if they start to leak.. My 93 Mark VIII is still all good.. But it only has 90 k on it. Also.. The 4.6 in the Mark 8 is an engineering marvel.. You really should stick to what you know.. Like Cursing the lord and spewing street vernacular. You excel at this as it seems to be your finest attributes.

You're close on my age. They start leaking a helluva lot sooner than 20 years, more like 10 years. Even if they did last 20 years, I had a 48 dodge on the original springs, so they're always going to be superior. Did I say they were a difficult fix? No I didn't. I merely say to watch out for them, because it's a common problem. I've never been impressed by the B head 4.6L, it had the dimensions of a boss 429 while displacing 281ci. The port velocity was so bad that they had to shut off an intake valve via an IMRC, which gets clogged up over time. Even with that, the torque is terrible. Much as I dislike the LT1, it was still making more power in a smaller platform. The C head cars were the way to go.

96 Impala SS. LS7 with upgraded lifters, TR6060 6 speed. 4.10 gears. Full Borla exhaust, hotchkis suspension. Pioneer head unit, Focal speakers, single 10" subwoofer.