Buying the WEIRDEST Cymbals I Could Find

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Music used (background & playalongs)
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Stainless: Very Important Pineapple - Scoobadive
27" GMD Nebula: Wendigo -Carvings
4" hihats: Robot - Adelyn Paik
12" Paiste: Such a Beautiful Day - Sarah, the Illstrumentalist (Bass by Bryce Hardin)
16" Wuhan Blank: Eye Candy - Sven Lindvall
0:00 Stainless Crash Cymbal
4:22 27" GMD Nebula
7:24 4" Hihats
11:37 12" Paiste pstX 45 Ride
15:12 16" Wuhan Blank
Other Gear Used:
Pearl Session Studio Select:
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Vic Firth Freestyle 5bs:
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The quest to find the weirdest cymbals out there continues! This is a more tame bunch but of course still weird. We check out a 19" stainless steel crash cymbal, the 27" GMD Nebula, a 16" b20 Wuhan crash blank, a set of 4" mini hihats, and the 12" Paiste DJs 45 Ride cymbal as a ride but also as a set of hihats with a GMD wide lip inverse bell as the bottom.
Buying the WEIRDEST Cymbals I Could Find

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@rdavidr
@rdavidr 4 ай бұрын
Which one of these are you putting on your kit? 🤔 Dont forget to check out geekstands.com/discount/rdavidr
@zamoraquaterbeng
@zamoraquaterbeng 4 ай бұрын
Nothing lmao
@slipknoticalxero
@slipknoticalxero 4 ай бұрын
prob the blob 😂
@markvoliotis5940
@markvoliotis5940 4 ай бұрын
Hopefully none
@catmobile20
@catmobile20 4 ай бұрын
Maybe the first one
@bloodmoney88
@bloodmoney88 4 ай бұрын
I already have the bell hats, but mine are Indian thumb bells... I hang them under a crash, I might try them on my HH stand after seeing your show, likely not though, unless for a special sound effect, I wouldn't do a gig with a set as my main driver... you'd spend half the gig staring at those little hats trying to hit them.
@cbot72
@cbot72 4 ай бұрын
Wonder if there'll ever be a Drum Thing / Dankpods collab
@EclipseAtDusk
@EclipseAtDusk 4 ай бұрын
That would be Incredible
@Lupine.
@Lupine. 4 ай бұрын
Yaessss
@ComposerSyterious
@ComposerSyterious 4 ай бұрын
I WOULD LOVE THAT SO MUCH!
@thedutchdjentleman
@thedutchdjentleman 4 ай бұрын
fuck yes! I want to see them assemble the weirdest drumset that still sounds largely cromulent.
@icarus525
@icarus525 4 ай бұрын
When you realize they're the same person 💀
@drumjedi5301
@drumjedi5301 4 ай бұрын
I'm not a huge fan of most "trashy" cymbals outside of a good china, o-zone, or occasionally a dark dry ride...but that stainless cymbal surprised me. It's not something I could see myself using often, but I'd have one of those.
@antd2733
@antd2733 4 ай бұрын
The more i heard him play it the more i liked it
@Sokkx_
@Sokkx_ 4 ай бұрын
Tgat sound caught me off guard as well.. it sounds so good
@lapin-rouge
@lapin-rouge 4 ай бұрын
Woah, that blank sounds pretty good to be right now tbh; sounds like a decent washy crash/ride right now for a small kit
@jabelsjabels
@jabelsjabels 4 ай бұрын
yeah! I'd absolutely buy that just as is
@AlmightFireFly
@AlmightFireFly 4 ай бұрын
I have to agree. I thought it had a great ride sound for a small cymbal!
@DidYouReadEULA
@DidYouReadEULA 4 ай бұрын
Agree!
@noahburns8900
@noahburns8900 4 ай бұрын
Sounded rad. Closest thing to my old ass zildjian.
@zadtheinhaler
@zadtheinhaler 4 ай бұрын
That Stoner Metal groove at 6:30 is awesome!
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 4 ай бұрын
It'd be great for some early Alice in Chains.
@thomasfucik7527
@thomasfucik7527 4 ай бұрын
Those cymbals sounded great for that track!
@louisbailie1349
@louisbailie1349 4 ай бұрын
listen to some guys called Bossk, their track Heliopause is very similar. filth
@zadtheinhaler
@zadtheinhaler 4 ай бұрын
@@louisbailie1349Thanks for the tip!
@paulrevelli
@paulrevelli 4 ай бұрын
That stainless steel cymbal sounds like a combination of the perfect china, ocean waves and a rain stick. I loved it.
@BodaciousH
@BodaciousH 4 ай бұрын
13:44 I had a beginner drumset that we bought for 50 bucks, and it sounded exactly like this cymbal 😂
@TheAtlasOne
@TheAtlasOne 4 ай бұрын
The use of the ride at 14:00 as a hat actually sounds great, lol. Color me shocked.
@chaosren541
@chaosren541 4 ай бұрын
9:58, Just casually plays bleed on 4inch hi-hats😂
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 4 ай бұрын
It actually did really well with that 90s R&B track David chose.
@finnleithomczyk5292
@finnleithomczyk5292 4 ай бұрын
@@hoilst265 right?
@hoilst265
@hoilst265 4 ай бұрын
@@finnleithomczyk5292 It's a great luuuurve-makin' groove. "Hey, baby, want four inches of pure pleasure?" "Um-" *pulls out tiny high-hats*
@finnleithomczyk5292
@finnleithomczyk5292 4 ай бұрын
@@hoilst265 yessir
@user-tw9uf9pn3g
@user-tw9uf9pn3g 2 ай бұрын
​@@hoilst265 Dormitabis metal ending
@darjanator
@darjanator 4 ай бұрын
There are higher grades of stainless that become magnetic again. If you want higher heat resistance for high temperature working environments, some alloys used in those are as magnetic as regular steel.
@iwasdozer
@iwasdozer 4 ай бұрын
16:41 we shall never forget the bootleg cymbal lathe
@timothymckane6362
@timothymckane6362 4 ай бұрын
6:30 That Doom Metal music while drumming is cool.
@HA11EYS_COM3T
@HA11EYS_COM3T 4 ай бұрын
So... just Doom Metal? Doom metal usually has drumming.
@SlyHikari03
@SlyHikari03 4 ай бұрын
@@HA11EYS_COM3TI think he meant Dave drumming to doom metal was neat.
@Skeleton_Dork
@Skeleton_Dork 4 ай бұрын
I'm not a huge doom metal fan, but it's always a treat to hear
@daltonidaho
@daltonidaho 4 ай бұрын
4 inches is fine! And that Wuhan blank still sounds more like a standard cymbal than the others. Looking forward to seeing what you do to it!
@Davidvariance
@Davidvariance 4 ай бұрын
Every single one of these, I'm sitting there the same way I did when vice city came out, saying "this is as far as graphics can go" I dont know how you keep finding more weird cymbals, but im sure we'll revisit again! 😂
@foodforthegods
@foodforthegods 4 ай бұрын
Doom Metal mentioned (played)! 😮
@paiefilhomachado7630
@paiefilhomachado7630 4 ай бұрын
My day always get better with a David video.
@jaynorthrop7456
@jaynorthrop7456 4 ай бұрын
That stainless would be perfect for just a hi-hats and crash / ride setup. Mid to low volume scenario where you don't need to blow the roof off.
@brettbarrett9423
@brettbarrett9423 4 ай бұрын
This is the first video I've seen from you, and I subscribed! Awesome presentation of each cymbal, giving background and insights into them. Great idea with adding one cymbal to the kit at a time. And, they were cool cymbals! I particularly loved the trashy sound of the 27" and that 16" Wuhan worked out to be a nice ride
@Aleph_Null_Audio
@Aleph_Null_Audio 4 ай бұрын
An 18” or 20” blank might make a good second ride...the steel cymbal sounded much better than I expected!
@ericdurket1161
@ericdurket1161 4 ай бұрын
You should try a Factory Metal Gothic Radius, the bigger the better. Somehow its a pretty damn cool washy ride, the 26" is my favorite and id love to see one on the next Weird Cymbals episode
@jcbacongrease
@jcbacongrease 4 ай бұрын
That blank sounds amazing!
@kylewagoner
@kylewagoner 4 ай бұрын
The 27" sounds cool but I cannot imagine ever traveling with that anywhere.
@Zinjadu100
@Zinjadu100 4 ай бұрын
Great sense of humor. Made me laugh quite a few times. 1. Nebula cymbal is amazing. 2. Wuhan Blank sounded astounding, beautiful sound. 3. Stainless steel cymbal didn't sound good isolated, but with within a group; its a friend you'd like by your side. Good job and thank you for all, excellent taste, RDR. Ciao.
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 4 ай бұрын
I didn't like that stainless cymbal much at first, but once it was on the right side, it had a nice techno crash sound 🤔 Hook up with Tim over at Reverie Drums for your cymbal project. I'd like to find some good blanks and get into some real cymbal smithing, rather than just modifying already formed cymbals. And the Daru cymbal sounds great as a hihat.
@recksroller2220
@recksroller2220 4 ай бұрын
Saving the grooves for later: 3:29 Hunkin fecky 3:49 Heckin funky 5:33 cute lil groove 5:55 c h o p s 6:14 Hunky feckin 7:54 mokey 9:55 literally "Bleed" 10:09 Takati takati taka 10:29 Huckin fenky 10:46 it's giving "ZackGrooves" 12:06 similar to "Huckin fenky" 13:12 Picture This 13:33 boom boom plap 13:59 Candlelight Picnic 17:28 Touchy 18:11 Fall on Easy
@Skeleton_Dork
@Skeleton_Dork 4 ай бұрын
I was wondering when another one of these would come out... you sir are my hero
@jamesperronedrums
@jamesperronedrums 4 ай бұрын
Hes Back and I love it!
@reubenk7331
@reubenk7331 2 ай бұрын
Wow, that huge trash can lid sounded better than I thought it would! WOAH! The fact that the ride even comes with a track pressed into it, is simply amazing 🤣
@brokenribs1530
@brokenribs1530 4 ай бұрын
I love your playing. Such a natural
@gonzoUAE
@gonzoUAE 4 ай бұрын
i love your videos man, greetings from Buenos Aires.
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 4 ай бұрын
6:30 🤯 YEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH 💥 💥 🔥🔥🔥
@richardlanchester249
@richardlanchester249 4 ай бұрын
Look carefully what happens to that when you hit the 'Google Translate' option offered! You see some kind of difference between American English and Britspeak, obviously ( i am watching from UK).
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power
@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 4 ай бұрын
@@richardlanchester249 😂 I can't translate my own comments. What happens?
@erickmartin5667
@erickmartin5667 4 ай бұрын
Back in the 80's Zildjian had these things called Earth plates. I guess in the 70's they had an Earth ride. Those were "raw" untooled cymbals
@marktrumble2634
@marktrumble2634 4 ай бұрын
The first two sound like something out of a movie sound track. Like a fight scene in the Last Samurai.
@drewb5775
@drewb5775 4 ай бұрын
That 27" is amazing! I'd say send the blank to Lance Campeau but he seems to be MIA?
@djyeah-nah9781
@djyeah-nah9781 4 ай бұрын
I noticed he'd been quiet too
@jamesf.ryaniii7918
@jamesf.ryaniii7918 4 ай бұрын
As some have pointed out, Lance Campeau makes or used to make stainless steel cymbals. As an aside, the Sabian Quiet Tone, Evans dB One and Trick Drums low-volume cymbals are all made from stainless steel. Wuhan's Ora low-volume cymbals are B20. And, the Zildjian L80s are "proprietary" alloy.
@sembalo1776
@sembalo1776 4 ай бұрын
i quite like how that blank sounds as is, that steel one was pretty suprising it sounds good
@user-ib8uj1ic7d
@user-ib8uj1ic7d 4 ай бұрын
I like the stainless steel crash. It sounds like it would fit a few genres nicely. I also liked when you 2-sticked the 4" hi-hats open. They sounded like something from a Latin percussion section.
@TehPolarBearr
@TehPolarBearr 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, when you were fooling around at first with the 4 inch hi-hats, it gave me such middle eastern, belly-dance style music.
@bentol86
@bentol86 2 ай бұрын
Excellent work on this video, it is well put together. I enjoyed watching your video. Thank you for sharing. Like 👍
@RyTrapp0
@RyTrapp0 4 ай бұрын
Yo David, gotta add a titanium cymbal to the collection now Can't wait to see the cymbal project, should be fun to follow. Maybe a "round 2" after you make the first one, see how much better you could make a second one with everything you learn? One step at a time and all... but I'm jus sayin lol. Surprised by the stainless cymbal, sounds good; pretty intense sound! LOVE the 27"... thing... I could never own it, I would overuse the ever loving shit out of it. The 12" Paiste thing is cool. Extraordinarily niche, but cool; I think you found the real use in a hi hat combo, that makes for a pretty unique sounding hat. Shout out remote hi hats.
@kreyatebryant
@kreyatebryant 4 ай бұрын
Nice Video My Friend. I love the stainless steel cymbal I would love to put that on my kit
@jglasernyc
@jglasernyc 4 ай бұрын
I loved the 4" micro hats and the 16" blank ride. Great video, made me laugh!
@letronix6243
@letronix6243 3 ай бұрын
The first one relaxes me so much. Would be perfect for playing an album like the blue record from Baroness. That album sounds like water and it's really relaxing too.
@OverproofMMA
@OverproofMMA 4 ай бұрын
I strongly recommend Lance Campeau's "The Cymbal Project" series for info on creating your own cymbals. He details his homemade lathe, lathing techniques, different types of anvils, stumps and hammers, hammering patterns, finishing techniques (though he never details the ones that involve dangerous chemicals) and even fx cymbal making. He has a few videos where he works from blanks. I own an fx splash he made, back from when he used to sell cymbals on reverb.
@b.p.879
@b.p.879 4 ай бұрын
That snare sounds so great!
@davidprewitt6359
@davidprewitt6359 4 ай бұрын
Glad you are making videos again.
@Pdra7410
@Pdra7410 4 ай бұрын
Love these vids!
@drummer4life510
@drummer4life510 4 ай бұрын
How can I get the stainless steel cymbal?
@fespiriquidiberto
@fespiriquidiberto 4 ай бұрын
Paiste signature - Signature Bronze (something between b13 or b18. Maybe b15) Paiste 2002 - B8 (2002 Bronze)
@InzidenzPanik
@InzidenzPanik 4 ай бұрын
Paiste Signature are B15 As far as I know Paiste uses no B12. Meinl has the Soundcasters which are B12s.
@randomsomeguy156
@randomsomeguy156 4 ай бұрын
I know zildjian has some b15 cymbals as well. I think they're called project 371?
@fespiriquidiberto
@fespiriquidiberto 4 ай бұрын
@@randomsomeguy156 Yes! A limited edition, but the thing that make the cymbal sound nice is all the process with the metal. I fill the Zildjian b15 ones don't sound too good like paistes.
@mattnieri1202
@mattnieri1202 4 ай бұрын
I've seen bad cymbal descriptions, but that one takes the cake!! 🎂
@Cheezeeeee
@Cheezeeeee 4 ай бұрын
14:00 really liked what you did here... idk if you intended to play that hat pattern that way but it sounds interesting.
@user-jt5gv8js1i
@user-jt5gv8js1i 4 ай бұрын
Bro you are the goat of weird cymbals
@kingmusic3617
@kingmusic3617 2 ай бұрын
I had the same griffin stand for my old kit. Sane counter weight and everything. It was good for replacing hardware.
@patrickharkin
@patrickharkin 4 ай бұрын
That stainless cymbal sounds like the best part of slamming shopping carts together and I love it.
@klawn9059
@klawn9059 4 ай бұрын
i think david is just getting ready to drop a crazy drum and bass album
@RedDogMamaHD
@RedDogMamaHD 4 ай бұрын
7 am on a Saturday Morning... Time for an rdavidr video drop!!! (West Coast Time)
@GarageBandSuperheros
@GarageBandSuperheros 3 ай бұрын
The GMD Nebula blob and the Pstx45whatever as hats, were perfect sounds to me. Interesting, interesting indeedy.
@heavenly2k
@heavenly2k Ай бұрын
That first cymbal sounds gnarly but smooth at the same time, very unique. I'm jealous
@federicoferreyra5720
@federicoferreyra5720 4 ай бұрын
love your videos man
@Asphaltsquadron
@Asphaltsquadron 4 ай бұрын
Actually its GEEKSTANDS Speaking of Geeks, Paiste 2002's are B8 Bronze not B12. Great vid though! Keep 'm coming!
@avgdrummer
@avgdrummer 4 ай бұрын
Oh man... rdavidr needs a lathe. Does This Old Tony have one? I forget. It's the crossover event nobody expected.
@catmobile20
@catmobile20 4 ай бұрын
Whenever he’s back with more weird cymbals, you know it’s gonna be a good day
@bupbead2731
@bupbead2731 3 ай бұрын
I absolutely adore the 4" hihats, its so impractical but charming in a way.
@danstephensen9032
@danstephensen9032 29 күн бұрын
Awesome. That 27 incher reminds me of the Omar HAKIM Garbage Can Lid Crash back in the day
@WillBloodfarm
@WillBloodfarm Ай бұрын
I've got one of those 12" Paiste rides hahaha. I use it to top off a stack, because the black coating chills it out a bit.
@DrumSmithRich
@DrumSmithRich Ай бұрын
The open mini hats sound was sublime!
@sonap8620
@sonap8620 4 ай бұрын
Always a good day when you upload
@richardlanchester249
@richardlanchester249 4 ай бұрын
There are small Chinese hand-crash cymbals, rather similar to the little 4" ones, with big bells and flattish bow that curls up a little at edge, you get that cavity resonance effect as they reach close to closing shut. I think they are mainly used in traditional Chinese musical theatre, i have a couple i found cheap, and they came from a wonderful Chinese musical import shop in Covent Garden, London, called Raymond Man Music (sadly no longer there, he retired and it closed when property developers grabbed the building), this shop had the best, huge range of traditional cymbals, bells, gongs, and wind and string instruments from China that i ever saw anywhere. Also, Tibetan monastery hand-crash cymbal pairs have a similar style, typically around 16-17 inches, i imagine they got the idea of using these from neighbouring China. Very big deep bells, so the closing resonance effect is very pronounced. These would be worth checking out in a future video.
@thomasaldridge8529
@thomasaldridge8529 4 ай бұрын
Bad ass cool. I miss when you did Drum restores and hacks. Good luck in the future though.
@davidwiezner3268
@davidwiezner3268 3 ай бұрын
Actually the cymbal at 2.59 sounds pretty rad.. for stoner its purrfect 😮😊❤🎉
@MrSharkmissle
@MrSharkmissle 3 ай бұрын
The itty bitty hi hat when playing the nebula and big steely boi 😂
@andrewbadeaux5916
@andrewbadeaux5916 4 ай бұрын
Bro that ride for doom or sludge is amazing, sounds so good.
@gabrielemartino2466
@gabrielemartino2466 4 ай бұрын
'sup Dave! GREAT content as always. 0:38 I have to point out though, that the Paiste Signature Traditional cymbal you put as an example of a B8 bronze cymbal is actually made from their Signature alloy, which I believe is 15% tin not 8%. Same for the 2002 cymbal you put there right after as an example of B12 bronze; 2002 cymbals are famously made from a B8 alloy, so that would be incorrect.
@flavioamaricci4447
@flavioamaricci4447 4 ай бұрын
plz keep the weird cymbal viedeos coming i fucking love them
@xxxxxxxxx08
@xxxxxxxxx08 3 ай бұрын
that stainless steel cymbal sounds absolutely fantastic. i love how dark and distorted it sounds i wish i had it lol
@muchopomposo.6394
@muchopomposo.6394 4 ай бұрын
Weird cymbals aren't a new idea. I've been re-shaping and hammering old and broken cymbals since the 80's. 😊
@leadpipejustice9253
@leadpipejustice9253 4 ай бұрын
bro, the blank sounds like perfection!
@deathdrummer1000
@deathdrummer1000 4 ай бұрын
I remember my brother had a Zildjian ZXT titanium crash back in the day (late 00's) and as a kid nothing was cooler than the lone silver cymbal amongst the golden colored ones. Would love to see you track one down and give a passing whacking.
@Oni_SmokeCG
@Oni_SmokeCG 4 ай бұрын
In a portuguese drum selling Facebook group I saw a "gong sheet" the other day, immediately thought of you
@JeffMcCormack777
@JeffMcCormack777 4 ай бұрын
Good choice on the track for that big blob of weirdness. I was thinking something experimental for sure - industrial or even maybe death/black metal.
@dashythefoxxo6453
@dashythefoxxo6453 4 ай бұрын
13:14 the ride cymbal by it self sounds to me like Ooops all bell lol
@AJtheRatty
@AJtheRatty 4 ай бұрын
The hi-hat track killed me. Amazing 😆
@colebinder1316
@colebinder1316 4 ай бұрын
David’s back back again
@dbohnsai1011
@dbohnsai1011 4 ай бұрын
I have the Griffen remote hi hat stand and found it to be very sluggish. I vastly improved it by replacing the cable with a Jagwire bike cable and upgraded the spring to one from home depot. Now it's on par with a DW.
@theath98
@theath98 4 ай бұрын
Love all the cymbals!
@timrober75
@timrober75 4 ай бұрын
Love that stainless steel one :)
@operationremodel
@operationremodel 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great content
@johnyocum6702
@johnyocum6702 2 ай бұрын
Nobody has done a single comparison video for TRAKIAN CYMBALS and they’re so beautiful!!! From what I can tell, they sound great, but I’d love to hear them compared to other well known brands out there. Love your videos and Thanks!
@randomsomeguy156
@randomsomeguy156 4 ай бұрын
The DJ cymbal description was spot on in my opinion
@bensexton254
@bensexton254 4 ай бұрын
Rick Allen of Def Leppard play the earth ride in his first electronic kit
@guitfidle
@guitfidle 4 ай бұрын
That blank actually made a halfway decent ride sound. Was not expecting that! Nor was I expecting that other one to play like a record 😂
@user-qp3qj2jv6f
@user-qp3qj2jv6f 4 ай бұрын
That stainless cymbal sounds so much better than I anticipated.
@kzarnold3678
@kzarnold3678 4 ай бұрын
Good times nicely done 👍
@dincirkic4974
@dincirkic4974 4 ай бұрын
now this does put a smile on my face
@MarcelineBrady
@MarcelineBrady 4 ай бұрын
Honestly that DJ ride gives the hats a nice chunk that I kind of like
@richardlanchester249
@richardlanchester249 4 ай бұрын
Check out Dream Cymbals Dark Matter series Rides, these are thin unlathed rides, relatively flat bow and snaller bell, with an ultra deep stick response and wash. They come in 18, 20, 22, if i remember, i got a 20 with a slight edge crack which i scalloped, couldn't have afforded it otherwise. Darkest cymbal i've heard, and dark colour too, sounds interesting. Another strange one, a Pearl Wild-900 20 ride. Unlathed, thick, looks like Pearl decided they needed to compete with the Paiste Rude series as it looks similar, but sound is very different quite high pitched and clangy , a rather unique tone. So i decided it was unusual enough i should keep it (i got it for almost nothing)-- but i ever used it for a gig yet. I'd like to say, David, you are very responsive to both the sound and feel of the music style, and of any instrument you happen to be playing on, and come up with interesting and diverse drum grooves to match, alway interesting and a great fit. Some drummers just play drums, but you really play the music-- Respect!
@mikewholecell2142
@mikewholecell2142 4 ай бұрын
I love the sound of that huge thrashy ride cymbal
@HelloMyNameIsOde
@HelloMyNameIsOde 4 ай бұрын
That 16'' blank sounds like a nice small ride, for like an acoustic gig
@Jayteaseepiirturi
@Jayteaseepiirturi 20 күн бұрын
Hmmm. That GMD Nebula seems to be the ride Lars Ulrich has been looking for. Also, totally a fan of the 4" hat! :D
@BrianPatteson-dq8mt
@BrianPatteson-dq8mt 4 ай бұрын
I love watching your videos
@DidYouReadEULA
@DidYouReadEULA 4 ай бұрын
I like the blank as is!!
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