Thank God, a hop video to wash out the taste of James' $700 pistol optic video

A 10mm in this chassis is really tempting as far as backpacking. Really modernizes the "game" gun aspect. That's how I'm looking at it.

One thing to consider is, not everyone is great at shooting pistols. I can't ever seem to shoot accurate. With that said, by allowing me to have 2 grips (magazine holder and pistol handle) and using the brace. This greatly improves range accuracy. I believe that's the purpose of the recover 20/21. But i do appreciate the honest review.

As a poor boy, I like that it turns a gun I already have into something new instead of having to buy a whole new $500+ gun. The kit is cheap but also sturdy and reliable. Best way to look at it if you have a Glock already is it's a under $200 pistol caliber PDW with Glocks reliability.

I appreciate the dedication you really did make a follow-up lol

can't bury a cheekbone if you don't have one *grabs hammer*

Due to long work hours, I often end up caring for my chickens late in the evening after dark. On more than one occassion I've been outside when a pack of coyotes started howling across the street on my neighbors property; I'm guessing maybe 50 to 100 yards away. I've even had them come as close as 20-25 yards on my property and whistle/whine hiding in the tall grass. Although I doubt that they would bother me I can't say the same for my animals. My Gen 3 G17 with the recover tactical kit, olight Baldr weapon light, and holosun 507c mounted on the upper rail has been my "go to" weapon system to carry in these cases. It's super light, it doesn't scare my neighbors if they happen to drive by, and, with the paddle holster, I can keep working with my pets without it being in my way. I could certainly just use my pistol without the brace but I appreciate the added control, accessory mounting options, and included minimalist sling, that come with the use of the recover tactical kit.

For me It’s a stable home defense platform with low concussion in a small wooded house

I’m gonna plead personal preference when it comes to the recover tactical brace 😂. It works for me just fine. I’m glad you did an update video on it. The red dot mount helps a lot There are no situations where this couldn’t be switched with a regular pcc but like you said, it’s affordable and if you have an extra Glock, why not 🤷🏾‍♂️.

It amazing how well this works if you use it as a brace instead of a stock. You can't seat it like a rifle butt. Grip it as close to a normal shooting grip as possible. Draw the pistol towards your chest while keeping the same sight picture... when it makes contact near your collarbone, that's your stance... or it just don't fit you. Great channel, great vids.

Phenomenal and intelligent straight up review of the Recover 20/20.

Great review of the red dot mount, I was on the fence about getting the mount but now it makes perfect sense to add it to the 20/20 especially sense I don’t have any Glock optic cut slides. Thanks Hop!

I'm sorry to hear that mine feels perfect it's a glock 34 with compensator and it shoots flat with the 3 points of contact I love it

I'm a chinlet/cheekbonelet so I haven't had many problems shooting my 20 with an rmr on it. I also have a 7" compensated barrel in the gun so it's a little more comfortable to shoot it even with very hot loads. I carry it as a woods/hiking gun with wildlife defense loads

Going back to this after a time, I had wanted to get the FLUX but couldn't justify the price and switching over to a P320 since I already got tons of Glock mags. This IS meant for a specific purpose and it's to turn one of my Glock 19s into a dedicated SHTF backpack gun I can take out that's low enough profile than my shorty AR-15 that is not only heavy but also paints a larger target on me if I decide to actually use it vs a "get home gun". A shorty 11.5 inch AR with a LAW folder limits the type of bags you can carry and there's the weight and size of the many spare mags you need to carry around. Sure A G19 with 2 spare mags is also some weight and if I plan to keep this, I would be using the officially Glock 33 round extended mag, a bunch of 9mm mags will also be carrying a lot of weight but if I set expectations for what purpose is this gun, then I know exactly what I'm in for. It is NOT a go to war gun. It's an emergency gun that will give me extra firepower than a standalone pistol. I know some people, who thinks they are John Wick with handguns but let's be real. NONE of us can ever be John Wick level of good. A pistol can only fight so much especially if you are overwhelmed. A PDW 9mm gun even one in the same barrel length will give you more to fight your way out of something

Backpack usage for this makes sense because it’s just so much smaller and lighter.

Glad you finally did an update with one of the extras.

To get me to smoosh my face into any protruding nub is going to cost at least 25 rounds of 9mm at today’s exchange rate.

What can it be used for? A PDW pistol in states where you can't own anything with a stock, outside of a classic shotgun.

10mm micro pdw for $175 with the top rail. Probably gonna pick it up

What a great review! Thank you for all the great videos man!

I don’t have any fake accounts to bump your subscriber number up, but if I did, I would do it. Top notch review as always Hop.

I see a Hop video, I watch immediately.

I'm actually working on getting a replacement optics rail (since they sent me one for the smaller 20/20 kit) for my 20/21 kit I put my Glock 40 into. Figure it'd be a great PDW setup with a Romeo 5 on it, and while I can get my face low enough to use irons, I can totally get why most folks couldn't do it comfortably. Doesn't exactly make for the fastest aiming since getting your head low enough takes a second. Also glad to see I'm not the only one who uses their off-hand to throw the brace open from the foregrip position instead of using the dumb nub to open it.

The takeaway for me is that they need to cant the strut lower. This guy has some of the highest cheekbones I've ever seen and he still needs to grind into it.

I have the complete kit and I loved for the glock 17 gen 4 MOS, work fine is not perfect but get the job done. I use the kit for range to have fun.

I never knew you had a video on the Recover. I bought a kit one day a few hours before me and my buddies went shooting and it actually worked pretty well with a Glock 17 and a Holosun 507. Maybe I just have a head perfectly designed for this thing.

The Recover 20/20 - LARP-gasm now included.

Audio is great very good points. Really appreciate it thank you.

This will probably be tucked into my computer bag I carry to work every day...or for the wifey at home. Willing to try it out anyways.

Hop nailed it = great as a kit gun. It would be awesome with a rimfire/G44 for near rifle-like accuracy capability but still super compact to take along and easier to shoot than a handgun.

This is really the only realistic "turn a pistol into something" else kit that's both budget, and actually usable. It still will never compare to a carbine, or a dedicated PCC, but for something to throw into a backpack or as a "upgraded" home defense gun its feasible. Still not sure what I'd do with it though.

My biggest gripe with Glock/P320 based "PDW" thingys is that there is no external safety. Slinging one of these is a real worrisome way to have something on your gear make it inside the trigger guard. Some piece of plastic that flips up and blocks the trigger is essential in my mind. Mind you, thats not an issue when you keep your regular Glock in your hand or in a holster.

Had mine (20/21 Kit) for a few weeks. I like it allot. It's become my "garden gun".

Why am I just finding out you had another channel. On a obscure accessory no less lol

Used with a G34 and either that riser or maybe one of those see all open sights i could see this being a decent CQB weapon provided the see-all isn't a hunk of shit, stick to 20 rounders for consistency it could serve many of the roles you listed, or the typical urban commando fantasy of carrying a pdw in a small sling bag. or (if you live in portland, seattle ect.) a realistic edc.

I have this for my G34. In Canada we can actually get the brace to stock adaptor because we dont have SBR rules (we got way more shitty laws but SBR aint one). The optic mount makes it really nice CQB PDW

Seems like a winner

Alot of people just saying "build an ar9 or go pdw". But if ur doing an ar 9 chances are u want something small and suppressed for maneuverability reasons. Realistically you are not shooting a 9mm anything over 100 yards and shooting further you are reaching for 556, 300, and so on. So whats the difference between a 5 inch handgun and 5 inch ar9... well more points or contact and control so I don't see why thing or a micro conversion wouldn't be a smart choice cause you can take your glock 19 out and conceal then at home slap it back in and have your home defense gun at a much cheaper price point

Now I want to get one of these

Good stuff, I've got a g34 in one of these with a red dot and a streamlight HL, usin glock 17 round mags with plus 5 taran tactical base plates. I do have a few 31 round mags with plus 2 base plates just to mess around with. Personally the idea for me was to make the smallest capable option possible so using 33 round mags kinda defeated the purpose and added more weight to the overall setup.

Excellent vehicle gun setup

I just found out, that they make a steel sight tower, that is supported on both sides. (GB20.) You can't use their holster with it though. Thanks for the share!!

The secret Hop channel.

Wish they'd make one of these kits for the PMR30. I got one for my P80, and I'm thinking I *finally* have a use for my spare Sig Romeo MSR. Always hated it because it doesn't have shake to wake, but for something like this that you'd presumably have on your person for long hikes, etc you would pretty much not want the thing to be shaking on all the time, which is what would happen with a Romeo 5.

Hmmm... G40/G20 and a large frame brace, with the optic, might be a legit, no BS, micro PDW. I wasn’t sold before, but now... maybe.

What a great review. I think you talked me out of buying this

They fixed all of these issues with their new Recover Tactical P-IX.

I wanna see hop review a p30 and some more mid 2000s guns and give his thoughts on how they aged

I really liked the 20/20 up until the tfv review. Thanks for pointing out its flaw. That optic mount is not a fix. Now the cobra stock is looking better for me. Luckily we don't have to register it in our part of the world.

I have a 20/21 with a Glock 30S with extended Barrel and comp. It works great. It doesnt feel so awkward like this doofus makes it out to be. Hes intentionally making it look awkward, or, maybe its his birdcage and anorexic arms that are the problem. The system is solid and only flexes if you really put alot of effort into it, under normal hold there is absolutely no flex. The pic rail is solid as well, but a bit high. I think an optic on the pic rail is good for zeroing past 100 yards while keeping the irons for close range under the optic. Or, I installed tall sihhts and made a huge difference with the hold. No need for a slide mounted optic with tall irons. A laser is also a great addition to this setup. I currently have a rifle laser/light and works great with a grip control. It can be holstered, sling is still in its package, never used it. This is now my woods setup running 45super. Its amazing.

I find it kinda funny how stocked handguns are making a comeback. Every handgun in the early 1900s had a stock; the Borchardt C93, the C96, the Luger, and the FN Model 1903, just to name a few, only for the concept to be almost ditched. Now here we are, 100 years later, realizing how practical it is to have a compact, stable firing platform, that’s lighter than most SMGs and SBRs. I just hope Beretta starts selling the Raffica’s stock and foregrip, so we can slap it on the M9A4.

having rocked the flux raider for the sig p320 since almost day one yea i rock it as a micro PDW around the farm I usually carry it on the belt in a holster i had made holster tho for winter I got a leather shoulder holster and kinda like it like that for tactical use i go 80s secret service with a single point sling the point is it is a defensive weapon and is small and quick to deploy while having the advantages of a "brace" plus it is based off the the p330 my carry pistol of choice tho i had to wack off the safety lever warranty be dammed

It's cool but personally I think it's use would be best for someone who actually uses the brace like the ATF wishes we would. Or maybe for when you are shooting at a target a fair distance (for a pistol) away and can take the time to unfold it and shoulder it in order to get another point of contact - giving a bit more stability for the shot. I think best pairing would probably be with something like a Glock 40 for when out in hog or bear country because it looks like you can still fire the pistol if you were being charged at even with the brace folded.

I am going to do a thru-hike of over 1,000 miles. With this, I can settle on bringing a single pistol for both self defense and small game hunting.

I use a 20/80. Light mounted on the right side, a smith and wesson m and p sling, romeo 5 on the top. I have a glock 17L on top of my p80, so a bit more velocity. I carry it in a laptop case as an anti car jacking tool, a backpacking tool, and a very nice maneuverable property defense tool. I live in a city, and this thing gets around just about every assault weapons ban they throw at us.

Hop, have you seen the 'cheek pistol' concept that Forgotten Weapons recently covered? Your criticism of the stock just reminded me of it

This seems great! Very low weight compared to Micro Roni

I have no trouble using the iron sights . You do have to adjust your shooting tech. The same way as when you shoot a Keltec Sub 2000. And the brace does not hurt when I shoot it as one reviewer whined about. And you will be more accurate at longer range . I like it .

Hop looks pretty tall. This brace should be fine for tiny people. And it make sense for real spec ops as a quiet gun for guard/dog disposal and shooting lights out, because it weighs not much more than a standard pistol, kinda stable, can mount a suppressor and be carried on a hip. Or it's cheaper to buy this kit and Glock auto sear (for LE/Military) than a whole new toy like 2500$ B&T MP9.

yay, finally!!

Crazy idea… cut the brace off and you got a race gun optic mount with holster option. Make it metal. Fix the flex, and option for rmr/pic mount. Save on milling the slide, still have irons, and don’t have to waste money on changing holsters if you change optics or lights.

hey Hop, can you get the B&T USW Glock chassis over there in the US of A?

After going to a big homeschool convention in a major city, seeing the 150+ yard shots that could happen in the convention center and while touring around the city plazas and urban parks with my family, I've been thinking about getting something with a stock and, ideally, better ballistics than my pistol BUT I also have little kids hanging off me, diaper bags, AND all the crap my wife purchased along the way. My backpack is full. An SBR even with a folding stick takes up basically the whole bag. I can't carry TWO backpacks, one JUST for a rifle lol. So these pistol chassis like the flux raider have caught my eye. But the raider is stupid expensive and you still have to supply a gun to go with it. You've basically had to spend $1500 to get it set up. I have a spare Glock already so this is very interesting BUT I'm deeply concerned that it doesn't have a manual safety...so this is probably a no go for me.

Hi, tx for the video. Wanted to ask regarding the suggested hight for the romeo5 on the 20/20. I have it too. And can't decide if use the low connector or the high one

good info

Glock 34 or 17 with a threaded barrel, Griffin EZ Lok adapter w/CGS Mod9SK, TLR9 maybe?, Aimpoint or Fakepoint, and a sling. I do kinda like BrassFacts theory on these as a PDW. I think it needs to be suppressed and needs to be considered an ultra light off body carry. Basically being okay with it being more overt is a requirement for it to make sense.

I love the video

This is something I’d keep in my glove box and at range so sick and glad I can buy again legally what sight is that? Also a good option for me bc my g45 isn’t optic ready

If there’s an update to be had, I think it’d be cool

I Got One.. Still Haven't Made Solid Choice In Which Red Dot Yet. My Use: PDW Down Bayou. We Had Russian Boars Released Around 1900 Around Here.. Mean SOBs.. Smaller Easier Thru Underbrush Than My AR9 And AR45 or My AMD65.

Since the pistol is pretty much dedicated to the brace, I wonder if the red dot mounts that mount to the slide back plate/rear sight dove rail would actually be better. They have a slight rise but not as much as that 1980's scout/race mount abomination. Strike Industry G-SURF comes to mind as an option. Although it'd obviously limit NV use...

You have to cut off the top flap with a Dremel to use the iron sights

Alright. I'm super debating on getting this and using a 22lr.conversion kit. Please tell me you tried it and it works well with little to no blowback from.the chamber.

Question, when mounting and remounting the gun, how close to zero will an optic on the rail stay? I am trying to make a decision on if I should mount on the pistol or the rail.

Will this setup work with one of the Long Slide Glock models, or are their rails too far forward?

I have tried all of the "Braced pistol PDW" options. While interesting and some were definitively more practical than others ( cough, Flux Brace, cough) I just could not reconcile their use for my purposes. So I instead opted to go with a B&T TP9 equipped with a Vortex S.P.A.R.C. red dot with an A3 Tactical folding brace. The result while definitely not cheap by anyone's stretch of the imagination was a very lightweight, well balanced, low recoil, very practical, and compact quick into action 9mm PDW with an admittedly awful trigger on par with an HK MP5K, but still very ergonomically correct and easy enough to shoot exceptionally accurately. The weight difference between the proven HK MP5K ( or clone) and the B&T TP 9 is not insubstantial. The TP9 is a whole 2 pounds lighter, though the recoil of both platforms is strikingly similar, smooth and exceptionally controllable for both. The Braced TP9 handles like a dream, conceals easily under a lightweight jacket with the flush-fit 15 round magazine inserted, and inside of a re-purposed laptop/messenger bag with the 30 round magazine equipped. Like the MP5K, it is very easy to transition from target to target quickly and apply accurate fire, but one will have to train to the heavy trigger on either. Thankfully the trigger is a straight in-line "sliding" action as opposed to a pivoting action so while it's not super fast it does not really change the point of aim if the shooter performs an "overly enthusiastic" pull of said trigger. The Braced Glock and SIG pistols are not at all "bad" ( Well *some* are legitimately AWFUL.), but they are definitely not a "replacement" or "stand-in" to a good purpose-built 9mm PDW. *There sadly is no such thing as a "Cheap 9mm PDW", and there is no such thing as an "Ersatz 9mm PDW". You either have a 9mm PDW or you have an adapted pistol which ranges from "uncomfortable but handy /practical", all the way to "Useless piece of Tacti-Crap /Snake Oil".* It's a LOT like Night Vision Devices.. you can have good, you can have cheap, but you're not getting both, you have to pick One.

Hop my man could you possibly test the durability of this thing? Drops and that kind of stuff?

Also this setup reminds me of the polish mp-63

Cool review. You guys really should protect the organs that you use 90%+ of the time you shoot guns. These lego kit guns can put an eye out.

No eye pro eh? Must have protective contacts.

i wonder if this works on a glock with the fun switch on the back plate?

Pls make a review of the Fab Defense Cobra stock.

PDW for a 12 year old IPSC competitor? it ain't a JP AR9 but if you need your kid to have 33 rounds plus a spare mag on it right there ion a backpacked sized fight kit...

I discovered it works for lefty’s more then rightly shooters

Help!!! What conversion kit is best for my needs?? I'm set on the micro roni for now but I'm open t any brain tickling. Im going to make it simple , in south africa its alot easier to get a license for a handgun and a bolt action rifle than for a self loading carbine. Thus all the continuous loops one has to jump through its just not worth it for me personally to go the Assault Rifle route, if i could id go with a good old fasioned reliable Galil. So I'm stuck with a handgun, im happy , i can defend myself and my family , but now with a possible looming genocide at our doorstep it takes things up a notch . That and the fact that i want my daughters to be able to shoot from a young age + my love for simplistic modular logistics has got me set on one platform , one model firearm, one type of magazine, one type of ammo and the good old 3rd gen G17 is the platform i chose , i can own up to 4 fire arms without any special "status" thus my idea is for me and the wife to each eventually have 3X G17 and a bolt action rifle of the same model, but not sure about the calibre or model yet. Our kits will be identical and will consist of the following, it will be one G17 as a sidearm , one G17 in a conversion kit used as our primary firearm. We will each or just one of us be lugging around the bolt action rifles for 700m+ ranges when going into hiding in nature as we have wide open slightly hilly plains . The 3rd G17 we each have will also be in a conversion kit and it wil be with one of our daughters , we have 2 girls so it works out perfectly. That's 4 firearms each and a complete "defensive starter pack" with good built in logistical support. That is the end goal but for now finances have me limited to just one G17 and we getting a conversion kit asap so the kids can also hold and use the firearm proficiently when im away as currently my 10yearold daughter is a bit skinny and unstable to fire the G17 in handgun format, she can rack it though 👏👍

What is the point of that pointy piece of plastic that intrude up at the end of the brace? Is it there for a legal reason? If, I would Dremel it out and put tape on the top.

Try it out with the check rest and extended back stock on it .

Can u give a new review on this setup and/or versus their PXI version and/or micro roni??

6:35 how did you drop the slide? I've tried after market extended slide release levers but I still can't get it to work

Should do same review using g18.

Have you added the cheek rest yet?

I was thinking deer hunting rig for my G20. For a lil pistol deer fun. But other than that. Idk what else to use it for

Why the brace and not a stock wouldn’t the spare mag holder/ vertical fore grip make it a NFA item already?

I just wonder why no one has come up with a 16-18" barrel upper Carbine set-up. Kind of a Roni with rifle barrel to keep ATF happy. And one to fit a Sig P320. It might be ridiculous, but that's what most PCCs are designed for: the use of the same ammo/magazines as your sidearm.

Still like the Endo brace option tbh

While I'm not normally into these kinds of mods, I would like to see the arm brace replaced with a Glock 33 round magazine. It's not like it's easily concealable anyway, lets plug 3x 33 rounder's into that bad boy, and mount a suppressor on it. 99 round's plus one in the chamber all in one package.

i would just get a slight riser on top of that thing and be good to go

Since we’re all on board with the constructive criticism. Where’s your eye pro bro?

Finally someone shot this with closed brace it’s hard to find vids like this… how’s shooting that not extending the brace though?