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I agree Hiragiro. That would've been awesome! ^^

And them bonding about Sass 😅

Yes! Also, this would've given Adrien an actual male friend, which is Nino's role on paper, but we hardly see them doing much together. And Nino is canonically BAD at keeping secrets. He's the Miraculous equivalent to the Death Star exhaust porthole.

I know. And it's fucking annoying!

Ikr! It almost feels like the writers fear that if adrien gets any decent relationship with any other character it will outshine adrienette.

@@user-dk3lg9np6p It honestly would tbh. Adrienette is trashy, unhealthy, its execution made no sense and wasn’t well-developed, and they had to manufacture a tragic backstory for Marinette to give it any interesting-moments whatsoever. Luka and Adrien bonding and sharing their burdens would’ve been sooo much more interesting, especially since they both have daddy issues.

@@Doomzdeh In one episode Tikki said something like "how can you love/like Adrien if you never talk to him?" Seeing the way that Ladybug treats Cat noir (she feels annoyed and she get mad because he ruins her plans, plans that she never explains to him) she treats him like a fool, not like a partner. And then the way that Marinette treats Cat Noir, they had deep conversations, and they have fun, but she forgets almost in a second everything she discovers about Cat Noir being Marinette and still keep him in the dark and treat him like a fool.

I think that the Mlb writers are just huge Adrien antifans, so they try to make him least sympathetic possible. When I talk about it to other Lukanette fans we just all don’t see him being an actual nice guy when it comes to relationships

well the bar was never that high considering how incredibly awful show's writing is

@@monerb7185 True, but still, ignoring the usual weird parts that are in every fandom, some of MLB fan works are truly great stories done in ways that actually make you invested, unlike actual MLB.

@@lecommentar9851 yeah i know i love the fan fictions they somehow use the world and the characters better than the show itself can im just insulting the show because it deservers to be called bad also its always funny that if i remeber right thomas said he doesnt like fan fiction which is funny considering how better they are compared to the show

@@monerb7185 well I guess Thomas doesn't like competition especially when it's better 😂

Don't let Astruc hear ya, LOL.

stop saying "written out" as if they won't be back...OOPS! Spoiler! Sorry...

Tbf Alix actually has a reason to be gone at this moment since she has the rabbit miraculous

@@kainightshade5033 I think i'd not be at all surprised if Alix doesn't show up again accept as an Adult, they are mean spirited enough to do that, after all they barely had the class react to her leaving, heck Adrien left for good and what did they do.... "Have a party" yeah lovely people. I hope she does return though, there is lots of rumours floating about some say the Miraculous Heroes are all back, some say they are not. some Say Ladybug leave Paris entirely, or even gives up being Ladybug (for the obvious better qualified choice) crazy times.

@@90lancaster Yeah, sounds like you got some misinformation buddy. Also, that "party" was the end of the year party organized by students and school faculty. It's not like Adrien disappeared out of nowhere. He went with his father to London unexpectedly. Although that was sad, it wasn't like some horrible situation that required canceling a party.

Fr I got mad that Alix got kicked out of season 5 and since they ruined chole I barely watched season 5

I feel like Kagami should have gotten some more screen time and not just brought in last minute, this show could have been so good with a proper writer but unfortunately this is what we get 😢

Luka got the "i know both identities"

Yeah I'm not mad with the wasted chole redemption arc but luka yeah I get that the writers decided to take chole away sense yeah their so desperate to get chole stans to forget about chole move on and make sure that in case if the driectors of season 6 have any intention of making chole good again they won't be able to do so but luka Marinette is just dating adrien now so yeah there's no need for him to get out of here just for adrienette to be the endgame the old me so desperate for Marinette to end up with adrien was like yeah get luka out of here I don't want Marinette dating anyone but adrien but yeah I decided to let everything go and yeah even though I'll never change of what I think of chole yeah it's heartbreaking that luka has to leave

Tho Kagami too gets a similar treatment, as she too is turned into a simp queen for the main OTP. Also the new Felix + Kagami plot feels like coming out of nowhere, to me. The only other time the two met was in "Gabriel Agreste" (S4) in which the angrily glanced at each other for 1 second. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN he's madly in love with her. He basically kidnaps her, and even if she's got enough common sense to call him out for that, she still falls for him..? 🤨

@@emelylassiter3523 calling it right no adrienette will just be a perfect ship with no problems and everyone will just say how perfect they are and it will just be beyond boring mainly because they ruined half of the characters and almost the good characters so they can force it because they made the side ships better than it and also because thomas cant let a character be more interesting or liked than marinette

Astruc is literally making this up as he goes along at this point the twin thing is a weaker plot line than when mari briefly crushed chat noir

This comment omg yess 👍

Wow that actually does make sense Since the writers could not figure out how Anarka and Jagged could have sex more than one time they decided to make Juleka and Luka twins instrad

Luka was originally written to be older. In an old tweet from 2018, Thomas Astruc states Luka is two years older, but I guess he must have gotten backlash over the age gap, so he changed him to being Juleka's twin. I think he deleted the tweet because he got outed, but there are screenshots available on Google.

@@nisha_kapur makes so much more sense tho I wouldn't care about the backlash 😭

marinette had no reason to push back in both situations, hence not looking deeper

There was an explanation but it was half assed... Mari was "fine" cuz she focussed on her positive emotions (kinda toxic tbh) to break her connection with Monarch (easy for her cuz she never was fully acumatized before and Hawk Moth didn't know how to connect to her yet. Luca had not 1 but 2 identities to protect. Hawk Moth already knew how to get to him. Once he would resign control to hawk moth there would be no stopping him from going after Mari and Adrian, afterwards everyone close to them (since he knows most other identities too since Miracle queen). Acumatized Luca with all his knowledge (and potentially Sazz's powers) would be unstoppable. Silencer almost beat them, combine it with the power to erase mistakes... Luca was and has the potential to permanently claim MVP status without doing anything

THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING!

@@lola_zo-el omg brilliant explanation. now imagine if luka were akumatized as viperion by lila in season 6. he would be so broken

​@lolazo-el7001 I know that this is late response, but isn't this kind if debunked in Representation? They reveal that Kagami has known that Marinette is Ladybug since Perfection, but she got akumatized TWICE since then. And I believe that she was resistant in Perfection. Why didn't Monarch read her brain then? Especially considering that her "best friend" had kept that secret from her.

@@thewritersalcove she is my favourite miraculous KZfaqr😂🥰

omg you said everything i wanted to say, literally i cant believe she wanted luka to not be present at his own birthday party and gave so much pressure to juleka for that... then constantly asking him for help with adrien, luka dealt with so much and now his character is basically nonexistent

Facts!

I felt like during this episode they just wanted to stop "time travel>gab's victories" but in a bad written way.

I actually personally liked the twin change. idk. i like twins in shows. i think its fun to see the dynamics.

​@@StrawberryStar7There's also the fact that Jegged left his children for Anarkia to take care of (I don't know how to spell her name) It doesn't make sense luka being the oldest, since there's no way Jegged could make a mistake getting pregnant Anarkia (Juleka and Luka's mother) twice in a row, It makes a lot more sense for them to be twins since Jegged wouldn't make the same mistake of getting Anarkia pregnant twice, now that he had twins makes a lot more sense for him to have left his family To become famous rockstar!!!!

They did the same thing with marinette nd Alya first they said that they knew eachother since kindergarten now it’s them meeting when they first went to eighth grade😂

I always assumed he was Juleka's older brother tbh until their birthday episode. But then again, the writers keep trowing information at us as if it is common knowledge like the fact those two are twins or that they are meant to be a year older than Marinette and co. Or even that Zoe and Nath's bf (I don't remember his name) are 8th graders (so a year younger) as if we were supposed to know from the get go and it's so annoying lmao Damn we didn't even get the confirmation that they were meant to be 14 AND that not even a whole year has passed since Origins until season 3-4 lmao

Yes. Just yes. Picture Mari calling Luka going "i am so sorry for breaking up with you and now i call you even though I know i shouldn't and I really need your help and advise but i don't know how to say it and..." Luca hangs up, drives as fast as he can to her, sprints into her bedroom and hugs her. "Marinette, whatever it is, you can tell me. I will help you no matter what. I know something was wrong between us but that doesn't mean i ever stopped loving you. You can trust me." She looks up at him as he wipes the tears of her face "Luca... i... I am Ladybug." He looks at her, a bit surprised but his expression otherwise unchanged. She shuffles away. "That is why i always ran away, why i lied to you, why we had to break up. I couldn't keep hurting you. You deserve so much better. And despite it all you are the only person I can tell, you are the only one i feel like i can trust." He puts a hand on her shoulder. "This revelation changes a lot, Marinette, but it won't change how I feel and how I will act around you. You have always been kind, compassionate and brave. Even before I knew you are Ladybug i knew you were a hero." She hugs him as Sazz and the other kwamis come out of hiding, the snake kwami getting closer to their holder as Tikki smiles at the others and motions for them to join in. Then, after wishmaker: "did you see who chat noir is? Please, if you did, don't tell me. I can't know. Oh god, if you knew I don't know how to protect you from Shadow Moth..." "Marinette, calm down. Everything will be okay. With you by my side there is no way Shadow Moth can get to me. No matter how often he tried." Then, at some point, after a band practice: "Adrian? Do you have a moment? I gotta talk to you..." He glances over to Marinette who chats with Alya and Nino about a project of hers. Adrian follows his look, nods and goes with him down into the ship. As the blonde enters Luka's room he sits down on the bed. "So, you wanna talk about Marinette? Do you want to get back together with her?" Viperion slams the door shut. "I know it, Adrian. I know your identity. I am sorry I didn't tell you sooner, you deserve someone you can trust in." He detransforms, as his head hangs low "Ladybug trusted me to not find out and keep everyone else from finding out. But you... you don't deserve isolation." Still speachless Adrian croaks out: "Luka?" He nods. "Chat noir." "How... how long?" "Wishmaker." "He.. hit me?" "Once." "Do you... do you remember it all?" Luka smiles. "Every second of every try. I remember when Mari once got hit because she left her hiding place and got turned into the knitting fairy. Rather adorable. And when you got unmasked. But do you really wanna know your wish?" Adrian nods, determined this time. "Tell me." "You wanted to be whatever made the people around you happy. Whatever your parents wanted for you. And ever since I knew you shouldn't ever be so isolated that your tune gets obstructed with its own echo." Imagine scenes of Adrian ranting about how Ladybug never takes him serious, and how his flirting annoys her. And Luka smiless, tells him how he might need to shift to someone else, how he aims for someone he admires like a fan instead of someone he sees as an equal. Therefore he solves the love square cuz how tf did he not grow tired of it. Also, Luka solves the season 4 finale. The moments Marinette appears with the dog user Luka actives his 2nd chance. "Ladybug, who is that?" She gets defensive, saying how she doesn't want to reveal her teammates. He raises an eyebrow. "The moment you say so i delete this moment from time. But if i know you right, then this is not who you think it is." "Luka, what are you talking about?" "You wanted Adrian, didn't you?" She stumbles backwards. "How..." "That isn't Adrian. He wasn't on that train. I don't know who that is but someone already impersonated Adrian once and hurt all of you! I am not allowing that again." Chat noit steps forward. "Felix?" The dog boy stumbles backwards. "What? What are you talking about?" "Felix. Cousin to Adrian. Once you put on his clothes and ruffle through your hair you look like him. And you took his world tour with Lila. Because you can refuse his family." "What? How? Those accusations are lies! Ladybug, believe me, you know me. You can trust me." Luka laughs. "Oh you have to be kidding. Chat, this is stupid. Show her so we have proof and then i take care of it." "What?" "Trust me. I know what I am talking about. Everyone here is your friend but him. Ladybug loves you." "She what?" "Your girlfriend. Now, transform so i have his identity and can return to the beginning of this." "If you are sure... Plagg, claws in." Ladybug looks confused between Adrian and the newcomer back and forth. "Wha?" "It's okay, Mari. I knew. And i promised to protect you. Second chance!" "Guys! this is the user of the dog, his name is-" "Felix. Adrian's cousin. An imposter. A miraculous isn't suited for him. Get whoever used it last time. Trust me." And thus Sabrina returns, the day is saved, Felix gets grilled at some point in time to reveal why he lied to LB, the sentimonster story is revealed, Gabriel never becomes Monarch and is instead defeated. LB gives the peacock to Felix, trusting him to protect himself and everyone like him but to never use the powers to harm the innocent. He is still angry but gives in, thanking her and turning a mew leaf. Adrian and Kagami are still shaken up by the reveal but Luka takes care of them, convincing them they are real people, no matter how they came into being. That they deserve to be happy. That their hearts have a tune like everyone else. And that Mari and Master Fu were right to trust them. Kagami falls for him in that time and they leave to travel together while Adrian goes to Marinette, confesses to her that he loved her since she first allowed herself to be free, that she was who set him free from all the pressure his father put him under. They kiss and as they part all their friends as couples are around them, celebrating. A bit apart from them stand Kagami and Luka, his eyes meet the pair in the centre, he winks before leaving with his girlfriend. His mission is completed. Everyone he cares for is on their right path and his path is next to him, rambling about all the things she wants to try. He listens and makes a mental list for her, smiling.

​@@lola_zo-elTHIS WAS AMAZING!! I'm oh so upset it didn't turn out like this (even a little bit)😥

@@sleepymooffin7879 it would have been super easy to let it turn out like that... Luka doing nothing despite his knowledge is unrealistic tbh... he has too much of a helper syndrome to stand aside when he knows something is up. And yes in the season 4 finale his inactivity is annoying

@@lola_zo-elThis is she cringe and bad

@@abigeil2002 oh no, theories for a kid's show are on the level of said kids show. Burn the witch...

The final reason why I dropped the show. I knew Luka + Marinette wouldn't be endgame but they could've had at least one or two episodes of them being happy together and show that Marinette was actually capable of liking someone besides Adrien but *nope*. Luka was my favourite character but the show refused to develop him as an actual character. :(

@@demake_art oh even after all that i somehow continued, but then he left in s5 so i stopped watching it then..

For real 😭 Silencer was such a gold episode, just like Wishmaker. But it all just evaporated. It hurts

Right? I'm not understanding Thomas' character writing. Most of them feels flat and tied to 1 or 2 words. Even Marionette feels a bit flat at times.

Luka went from a very chill character in Season 3 to one who completely flips out repeatedly in Season 4 & 5.

Couple things wrong here. First, while Luka and Marinette had feelings for each other, you're kidding yourself if you believe she was actually IN LOVE with him. Luka was in love, Marinette was attracted. IN S3/4, she understood that her love for Adrien was getting her nowhere and as he was "taken" so to speak, she decided to try and move on thus dating Luka. Now, for you to say the only reason she broke up with Luka was because "she had a secret she couldn't tell him" is seriously baseline. The REAL reason she broke up with luka is 1. She was never IN LOVE with him in the first place. Having feelings doesn't equate to love. 2. It wasn't simply about having a secret. It was about not being able to 100% be herself or trust him. Imagine being with someone you constantly have to hide a part of yourself from. Not only was it unfair to him, but how long can you even respect someone with that type of dynamic? That bit about Marinette "resuming to chasing Adrien"? You clearly have missed the first 10 episodes because she's legitimately doing the OPPOSITE! Adrien is chasing her after being healed from his blindness. So no, your looking at things way too surface level which...doesn't shock me as 80% of the fandom tends to do just that. Seriously, I should start a course on "Media literacy for Miraculous ladybug"

@Heather M It actually doesn't. There's just a bunch of fans who, unfortunately, don't possess media literacy. Instead of telling me to "chill", maybe you could tell me where you feel I was wrong in my explanation of the Lukanette arc.

@@kainightshade5033 riiight, so when people have a different opinion from you, it can't be a valid opinion... it's just that they have no media literacy? 👍🏻 I stand by my prev statement. Let me elaborate: Mari was portrayed for a long time as being in love WITH BOTH. There was absolutely no difference - other than your own personal preference for one of the ships - that could make you tell "oh, yeah she only has feelings for one but she's def in love with the other". The only big difference was that she was able to talk to Luka, but that in and of itself doesn't mean it couldn't be genuine love: just that he was able to put her at ease. I also stand by my statement that the sole reason why Mari and Luka broke up in "Truth" was bc of her secret. Nowhere in that episode we get to see that she somehow realizes "oh this isn't real love". We are presented with a series of scenes in which the two seem the happiest couple in Paris, they can talk about anything and always have a good time... they were about to kiss in the cinema and it didn't look forced. Literally, the ONLY obstacle to their relationship in that episode is her being Ladybug, and Gabriel seemingly being on an akuma-frenzy which basically prevented Mari from being able to have time for Luka. She wasn't even thinking of dumping him: it was Luka who felt she was hiding something from him, and that made him feel unconfortable. He thought she was still thinking of Adrien, and she explicitly denied that. They do not break up bc she somehow realizes that Adrien is the one and only: that never happens in "Truth". They break up bc she has a secret, which is seriously getting in the way of their relationship, and Luka isn't OK with that. She never indulged in thinking of Adrien for one second in "Truth". This leads to Mari undergoing a personal crisis, as she realizes she won't be able to be in any relationship bc of her duties as hero and guardian. Later in "Crocoduel" this is simply retconned: there is NO MENTION of the secret as an obstacle to the relationship, not even in private dialogues between Alya and Mari. That issue is simply neglected as if it never played any part in the breakup. Mari just states that Luka is in love with her, but she'll never feel the same. She is only in love with Adrien. Now, since you're convinced it's a matter of text comprehension, please let me know at what point in "Truth" Marinette finds herself thinking about Adrien. I went through the episode script one more time, she mentions Adrien once and it's merely the recurring gag of her having his photos in her room and being embarassed by that. She does call Luka "Adrien" once in the scene, but again, it's part of the gag. She does not think of Adrien when she's about to kiss Luka at the theatre or during any other of their dates. I'll give you one thing tho: I'll admit she doesn't exactly *immediately* go back pursuing Adrien, I probably fast forwarded that part in my head.

@@Orkprof This is exactly what I mean when I say media literacy is severely lacking in this fandom. You basically skip over how Lukanette even got started and play off one of the most telling scenes as a gag when it’s not. Let’s go back to where this all started: Season 3. In S3 when Marinette first meets Luka, she’s charmed. He’s sweet, understanding, and she probably thinks he’s kinda cute. During this time, Adrien has a serious infatuation with Kagami and Marinette’s going through a crisis because of that. Once she backs off after understanding what a dick move it is to sabotage someone else’s relationship, THAT’S when Lukanette takes off. Her logic is “I can’t even talk to Adrien. At least with Luka, I can actually talk to him”. In the finale, her body language is still very much sad because she’s still hurt by the fact Adrien is dating another girl that isn’t her but then she listens to Luka’s song, smiles a bit, and you can see she’s trying to make herself feel better. She’s appreciative for Luka but STILL SAD. You COULD call it a rebound. I won’t because there where actual feelings involved. She liked Luka and wasn’t just using him but to say she loved him is just crazy. Not once did she say she love him or even elude to such a thing. They did NOT talk about everything. Hell, she’s told CHAT NOIR more about her personal feelings than Luka. So going off everything I’ve said and your whole statement about “Crocoduel” (minus the retcon), and the fact that Hawkmoth was running her crazy and making keeping her secret all the more difficult, it all falls together nicely. Lukanette was legit doomed to fail from the start. Last thing, the pictures. She calls Luka Adrien. Not because of a gag but because SHE EMOTIONALLY ATTACHED TO SOMEONE ELSE! You take a teenage girl who’s in love and has been obsessing about one guy for months, throw in some random guy and think she falls head over heels? That makes total sense 🙄. What makes this worse is that Luka knew this. He intentionally dated a girl he was aware wasn’t in love with him and emotionally attached to someone else. It’s pretty tragic. So yeah, it’s not that I can’t take opinions it’s just that I see yours is filled with holes. The media literacy thing isn’t me insulting you, that’s just a fandom wide problem. 80% of the mlb fandom thinks about things so surface level and doesn’t bother to present other facts unless it fits their agenda. Here’s just a random example of how the fandom overlooks things all the time right? So in a season 5 episode (I forget which) Adrien gives Nathalie a pink lily on her tray. Pink lilies are meant to symbolize femininity and fertility. We know in canon that Adrien has researched flowers extensively and knows their meaning. Therefore, we can infer that Adrien gave Nathalie that flower believing that her illness is linked to Nathalie being “pregnant”. These are the details that a lot of the fandom misses when discussing plot lines and story details or just pass off as gag or coincidence. If there’s anything we should all know about mlb, NOTHING is coincidental.

@@kainightshade5033 I see your point and I understand where you're coming from with your interpretation of the Lukanette arc. I still disagree, but I'm not going to invoke some kind of superiority in my interpretation - as I said, what you just described still makes sense to me, and at the end of the day we're just having diverging interpretations of the same thing. I get it you didn't mean it as an insult, but complaining about a lack of media literacy in others in this kind of discussion does come across as pretentious.

I think they're grooming him for that role. Just the way he's been mentoring everyone to find their inner melody.

​@@CK-solutionsI guess there were leaks that Marinette in the end gave everyone their miraculouses in possession. Or it is fake

​@@sophie_twainabout leaks i don't know but it is strongly hinted at the fact that there will be a moment where all of the miraculous will be handed out throughout the resistance (and Felix), probably to stop Lila as the next Hawk moth

@@sophie_twain I have seen leaks to that effect but it also makes sense that should LB get the Miraculous back, she would have learned the liability of keeping them all in one place

I wouldn't be too surprised, since it does feel like there's a similar reason behind how badly Chloe got shafted...

AGREED.☹💗

Preach... they deserved better. I think Chloe and Sabrina both deserved proper arcs. Giving up on someone isn't something Marinette and Ladybug should stand for. Yes, she can struggle, she can fail, but giving up? Hell no. For that almost all characters are too nuanced for. I kinda loved how instead of calling Lila Chloe at first wanted to call Sabrina for help. It was sad how she then instead called Mari. Admitting she needs help could be the first step of her new redemption (she'd deserve another chance, asking for help, mending her relationship with Zoe and Sabrina, getting off of her high horse...)

Chloe was probably the most human character in the show.

No shade but I still can't grasp why people thought chloe was actually going to have a redemption arc? Sure she had her pretty moments in the season but nothing really changed, she still behaved like dogshit most of the time, a couple of ''good'' moments wasn't going to save her

@@JuniorGustabo Define human

Why is this a ship that exists? I can't imagine any moments that give that ship anything

@@brockaston8241oh uh it was during the last episode of season 3 when chloe called luka cute when she was akumatized

Or just fans of them in general. Ive wanted to make an hour long essay on why Chloe's villification is awful and harmful since the start of s4. It's only gotten worse

@@brockaston8241 from what I've gathered those shippers view chloe as someone who needs unconditional love and lots of therapy and Luka as someone who gives unconditional love while being the ultimate therapist. But the only person who would benefit from that toxic relationship would be Chloe...

@@arohamumberry7324 they could’ve made a pretty good couple, their dynamics are something fans always wanted, until they turned chloe into whatever she is now and replaced her with zoe and now fans like Lukazoe

They already wrote him out. He may never come back and just go to college or work from his trip with his dad

They already wrote him out. He may never come back and just go to college or work from his trip with his dad

We all know why Luka was written out and not both him and Kagami. He's a white male.

Adrien didn't have much of a reaction to finding out his identity is compromised... oh and everyone forgot that they are supposed to give up their miraculous if that happens.

Spoiler alert from the leaks: In the finale he comes back. He did some guardien training stuff in Brazil with Su-Han and then joins the final battle. It was never explained why Su-Han followed him and decided to train him, but my guess is they might do an episode about how that came to be next season maybe?

I ship Luka and Lila💙🤎

What episode did he leave?

@@lucapeyrefitte6899 episode Migration

Nino pisses me off, everytime he's on screen he's written like a useless friend, he could have beed an interesting character if he got more focus but nah. All he's really done is act stupid and snitch.

​@@topgame2645 how? They are representing opposite concepts. Lila is all "do whatever it takes to get what you want" while Luka goes "be true to yourself and the universe will provide for you" If Zoe is bi (which i kinda hope for, there aren't enough bi people) i want her with Luca. Or let Luca be ace and just him coaching and wing manning everyone through life. Let him help Juleka to bring up the courage to kiss Rose, make him "accidentally" shove people into another (Felix and Kagami for example. Btw, their relationship was way to quickly developed)

Yea

fr so intresting

Ya'll remember Chloé's comment on Luka in the S3 finale? Smth in the line of "cute, shame for the clothes". Personally I'm not a Lukloé shipper, but I feel that line did give some fans false hopes in this regard.

I mean she did bully his sister...but chloe generally bullies everyone so it might not be a deal breaker and could be useful if turned to the power of good.@@Orkprof

Agreed. Love ur pfp btw

yep :(

Wait, I didn't know the teacher was lesbian -

@@itzneonblueotherchannel2921 yep. She's married to a woman and is having a baby with her.

@@hirahiro2331 Dang...- Ive seen the hints with Nathaniel and that blie haired kid, and rose and jukala, but absolutely didn't see the hints with her -

@itzneonblueotherchannel2921 Right?! I only knew she was pregnant. Which didn't start showing until very later within the same year(?) And then when she started showing, her wife appeared for that episode. Some people get a but offended for assuming her pregnancy was because of a husband.

@@hirahiro2331 Maybe her wife is trans or she did a sperm donor? I don't remember seeing her wife, but I love the lgbtq+ in this crappy show!

I got my episode and in disappointed.

That would've been interesting.

I need that. Along with Luka getting Kagami and Felix together cuz that relationship is just not realistically developed. At first Kagami thinks he's a creep for following her around but then kisses him before the finale? Where was that switch flipped? When did Kagami realise her "Love" for Adrian was just a feeling of being able to relate to another, that Felix is his true authentic self, all she was looking for in Adrian?

Yeah, that would be so much better than the cheap "oh I heard Marinette and Alya talking" excuse. He could have also got Kagami and Felix together as the other guy said, since we didn't see any development between them at all. Luka had a lot of potential and would make the final 3 episodes much better

Oh my God, I would have much perfered this then what we got

He’s not “kicked out” he’ll be back

@@kainightshade5033 But, will he tho? ┐⁠(⁠￣⁠ヘ⁠￣⁠)⁠┌

@@CalvinKalisto yes, he will. I'm one of the peeps that read the bible.

@@kainightshade5033 .... okay

Yeah the old me would have thought the same thing

Ikr? I swear Astruc hates Adrien and Chloe. He did Adrien and Chloe dirty this season. Adrien / Cat Noir, THE MAIN PROTAGONIST, was not included during the final battle holy shit. And instead of giving Chloe a redemption arc, which we all want as a fanbase, he fucking made Gabriel redeem himself wtf

@@Prims3s every time I think about the fact that he called this little being an "irredimble" charecter I feel heavy in my chest. Why did he say that.. It's so sad feeling this much hatred towards a little girl charecter.. Miraculous keeps making me so sad😖

@@sunglory4488 Yeah, chloe is just a teenage girl with an abusive mom. I don't think she experienced genuine love ever and, episode 25 spoilers, I felt really bad for her when stopped at Sabrina's contact and cried. Gabriel on the other hand, is just a piece of shit who justifies putting innocent people's life in danger, destroying the city and MURDER, just because he wants to reunite with his dead wife. Ridiculous. I heard that Marinette as a character is a reference to Astruc and his highschool crush's imaginary daughter. That's why Astruc is giving Marinette all the spotlight, that's why SHE is the savior of the day. And since Chloe has been her bully for years, Astruc now just straight up hates his own character. How can someone hate their own creation?? Instead of stopping being a simp and trying to be a good writer (just give Chloe her redemption arc for fucks sake) he introduced a new character, Zoe! Chloe is a much better character than Zoe. Chloe has better backstory, not better but more personality, played more role in the series and has a lot of potential. Zoe's only personality is being nice and being part of the Marinette's harem.

@@Prims3s @@Prims3s couldn't agree more! I'm with you on every thing you said here. I'm really hoping for the upcoming miraculous movie to do better. Have better writing and really treat each charecter better and much more of worth. I'm hoping things will look better for Chloe and even Zoe, If she's gonna be there I hope she gets proper story and charecter builds.

Hopefully They Don't Give The Same Treatment To Socqueline.

Exactly the shows takes the good characters and ruin/write them out

This!

Can you share the links for those fanfics I would like to read them

This show is a lost cause. Stop trying to make lemonade out of rotten lemons.

Totally agree with you, well said👍🏼

let’s ask chloe 😂

saved*

Chloe redemption truthers would like a word with you

The time to save a character or plot is in the writing stage. Once it's rendered and gone to air it's too late. The only hope left is that maybe they'll do better in the inevitable reboot.

Luckily, they are getting a new writing team but it won't do Chloe stans any good. I'm highkey praying they write her ass off so we can finally stop the Chloe discourse.

@@kainightshade5033 omg...she had so much character development! they messed that up so badly and yea im done with what they did to chloe

I'm going to believe that Miraculous Ladybug is going on a Seasonal Rot, mainly due to writing problems.

@@michaelsarmiento3057 it is! Omg i saw the new episode and i just wanted to slap someone, it so ridiculous! Nothing makes sense. CHLOE MAKES NO SENSE!

@@bancetheyorkshireterrier2003 What do you mean Chloe makes no sense.

That would be amazing

Oh boy. Your are going to hate the season 5 finale. 😅

Did u not see the leaks mate? 💀 it was so wild back then

Same 🥲

Yeah totally agree 😊

Yep I agree