20 years ago Reason Daw had a drum machine like this, I still use it today for every beat I make its call Redrum.

Not only do we clone the machines that tries to clone the sounds of real drums, we even emulate those machines virtually. It's meta on many levels :D

Beautiful

Clone Wars 😂

We’ve had 909 clones this entire time Jomox exists because of 909 clone kits.

I couldn't help but read this in Starksy Carr's voice :)

Well, I did it! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/et2cfcdny76Vh2Q.html

I want that machine soooooo badly!

@@marcopaganotto9125 I use it in all my tracks. No more sample digging.

Agreed. The bias that's presented by the creator of this video (using "cheap" in a video's title, for example) makes it impossible for me to take this test seriously.

@@timbrechopper This is the reason why i initially did not want to click the video but did anyway. Just to see in the comment section that i was right and did not bother watching past the first 2 seconds.

@@timbrechopper I'm just being overly dramatic.

@@RegebroRepairs No disrespect but that is probably not the best idea if you want this kind of review content taken seriously.

@@derkernspalter So, I'm not sure why I'm explaining this, but here we are. The intro is making fun of Behringer haters. If you watched more than 2 seconds, you would have realized that.

What does that even mean

@@martinkulik9466 Its a joke that obviously went right over your head lol

Surely A3Kr0n it wasn't in June, but in September?

​@@KeirMurphyif I remember, it was an evening shift. Maybe like the 20th or the 22nd.

Not talk, but a CGI render of one. You can't properly 100% clone an oscar, as the quirks of the software oscillator makes it impossible. But you certainly can make something that sounds very similar. It would likely have a slightly cleaner sound, and it wouldn't glitch if you turn knobs quickly, but it could still sound absolutely great. Maybe even have an additive sound editor for PC/Mac?

Tack! No, there is no compression or dynamics there. It may be that the output filtering taking the edge of the sounds makes it sound a bit more cohesive.

You have a good point. But most people making music want to make what they like, and they like things they have already heard. In addition to that, since the digital revolution, all sounds are available, and cheaply, so making anything new is really hard. So music seems stuck in nostalgia at the moment.

Agreed with both of you. To add to the conversation, this is why I truly think SOPHIE was the artist who was forward-thinking _all_ the time. Her sound was and still is the future of music. Artists in the hyperpop realm are having to catch up to that and it'll take them a couple years to get on the level that she was. Her passing was not only devastating to friends, fans, and family, but music as a whole. This decade was hers to lead and who knows what she would've had in store for us.

I fully agree with you. Forward thinking should be in the DNA of electronic music. But if you want to the nostalgia effect in full effect, I invite you to look into the (electric) guitar industry. Decades of lusting about mythical guitars from the early '60-ies:)

Unless you've been salivating over sounds in unobtainable machines for the past several decades that finally became accessible for a fraction of the price.👉🙋‍♂️👈

@@randilla yes, absolutely! Or could only use as digital format emulation. This is a great time for electronic music indeed.

This. the biggest difference ive noticed is in the sequencing. something about the metronome of the rd-9 doesnt seem as solidly in time to me

@@thestever my Tr-808 slays the Rd-8 in sequencing clock terms. But the same could be said of my Atari 1040 or Mac LC vs my 27” IMac or Core i7 Pc.

Sure, if you lend me a real TB-303. :-)

@@RegebroRepairs someone get this man a tb-303, stat

A ton of people have done it with the 303 and all its clones just look around

@@troybalgie2149 I know but many of the comparisons have a faulty approach. There was a video on KZfaq a while ago that did a deep dive but I think it has been removed.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pdl4pNeqktfKdZ8.html

Rd-9 sounds right off balance

exactly, suddenly the rd 9 sound more plastic.

To me it is also the timing of the pattern that differs ,it feels like the original timing is less rigid , and the snare and bassdrum are off , minor differences that i could not live with ,i rather have none than a flawed one

The real deal is basically a vintage collectors item at this point, and will simply never be worth the price difference. For people that has used the 909 a lot and knows the workflow inside and out, some of the other clones replicate that exactly, so that can make sense. Otherwise I'd just stick to the RD-9, to be honest.

Yeah, the external instrument is fun thing of the 909. I like using it for bass, as programming a bass line that way is very difficult and generally leads to some happy accidents. I'm not sure how it would have been useful in 1984, but today you could also use a modern drum machine with more sounds and control that from the 909. But you must be able to map MIDI in notes to specific sounds, because you can't remap the notes coming out from the 909.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Please dont take my comment the wrong way your analysis is excellent, the best I have seen.

I assume that the data has a bias in it yes, namely that the set of people who answered contains a higher percentage of people who could hear a difference than the set of people who did not answer. I don't think that's a controversial assumption, but of course I could be wrong. The conclusion is also entirely non-controversial: You can hear a difference if you know what to listen for.

You could revise that to be "You can hear a difference if you know what a TR909 (various revision) sounds like." But who *really* is especially post production etc and age of the devices. I am completely with you on that. It is interesting hearing the sounds in isolation. The clap was really the only one that sounded wrong (too loose at the front and the trail wasnt as airy). The snare maybe also but a little compression would fix that most likely. I liked your point about the 7k filter etc. "Punchier and Brighter" can be good but require post processing to move the high end frequencies out of the way of other instruments. I dont have an RD9 to test, but I can only imagine that in a modern DAW that would be quite trivial to accomplish. Maybe they left it out for cost reasons or maybe the team thought it was good for people to have the option to include the high end, or remove it post RD9. Anyway thanks for the well thought out presentation - that would have been a LOT of work.

Yeah, they are a lot of work, which is why my video on the differences in syncing is taking time. :-)

I don't think there is anything like recommended EQ, it is entirely dependent on the music and the context and what you want and like.

@@RegebroRepairs Totally agree that eq for example would be song specific. It was probably a silly question 😇 I guess since so many people are going to be making recordings of this machine in their tracks it would be interesting to see studio processing tips for it. Looking forward to watching your other videos.

Yup, I analyze the differences in the next video on the topic. Basically the differences are a 6db rolloff on high frequencies. The other differences are just variation between units.

Sure, if you give me an 808. 😄

@@RegebroRepairs ahah nice try :P perhaps you could borrow from some KZfaqr or something like that? (Or do a collab) cheers 🙏

@@radiatingsun6056 No one is going to lend me their 808 for half a year. 😄

Stfu and just by the rd9

You definitely need a manual, and the main buttons aren't nice. I like the knobs though.

That's the point.

Yeah, it's those output filters that make the 909 a bit warmer.

Yup. And there are rumors of early 909 versions that also don't have the output filter capacitors. One of those would sound much closer to the RD-9.

Finding them isn't that hard, they show up for sale a few times per year. PAYING for them, that's the tricky bit. They go for $6000 or so now, and they are amazing, but they are not $6000 amazing. Hey, that gives me an idea for a video. How to get the OSCar sound without an OSCar. I think I could do that, I know I can make decent replications with my Nord Modular, I wonder if I could make the Deepmind sound like an OSCar. I should try.

Yeah, I really should make that video. Maybe I'll have time this fall.

Sure, if you give me a TR-808 or two to compare with. 😀

@@RegebroRepairs I can help with a RD-8… 😅😅😅

Having kick and snare separate is generally a good idea.

@@RegebroRepairs I only have the RD8 right now, but I have the RD9 on the way. It is a bit entertaining how many people will complain about a lack of individual instrument outs but will then just use the total output anyway.

I love ReBirth and have used it a lot, but never actually compared the sounds to the real 909. In my head ReBirth is an instrument of its own. :-D

Yeah, I agree. I don't love everything about it, but it definitely is a great machine.

Yup, but 1, you need to know that, and 2, it's not obvious on all sounds as some of them just don't have the high end to get filtered away. But on the loop it was pretty obvious.

@@RegebroRepairs 👌👍

No, that's just differences per sound. But it does make it sound brighter.

Sounds likely.

Yeah, the samples I got from others sounded very different from mine.

@@RegebroRepairs Yes. I did recently purchased the RD-9 & i tihnk its pretty spot on & nice to have all the enhanced features the original TR 909 never had. :)

That would invalidate the test. But for real usage, Enhanced mode is a given.

I would have to borrow two TR-808's for that, so that seems highly unlikely.