RETHINK French Cleat . It Doesnt Have To Be Like This
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5 ай бұрынStorage can be easy and fun. Not to mention flexible. Why not use your woodworking skills and love of building to enhance the productivity and the overall look of your workshop.
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@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
I understand that the Larger x Tool laser is not in everyones budget. Please note that all of these holders can be made with a cheap laser, or by hand, or bought from sellers like www.aglimpseinside.org. He is both a talented content creator and someone who makes amazing French cleat and tool holder accessories. Or you can adapt the original idea.
@MrJfrutuoso1972 4 ай бұрын
I see many in the site, which ones do you recommend and what is the type of wood used and it's measure, 3mm, 5mm or more?
@ianbelletti6241 2 ай бұрын
The nice thing about French cleats is that you can still hang a section of peg board but it's easy to shift the peg board location if you decide that your organization needs modified.
@DOCWHOK9 2 ай бұрын
@@ianbelletti6241 screw pegboards, honestly theyre a PITA. Great for a dozen items, thats it. With falling pegs and being inadequate in every way, I'm giing cleats forever.
@ianbelletti6241 2 ай бұрын
@@DOCWHOK9 I was talking about combining methods. If you have some things that are better off hung on pegboard the cleats would allow you to hang the pegboard and keep it much more adjustable with everything else you intend to hang. Yes, pegboard does have it's downfalls but you may find a condition where it's beneficial to you. Using the French cleats takes away the major downside of the normal method of hanging pegboard which happens to be the typical fixed placement forcing you to have to arrange around the peg board.
@dallasarnold8615 2 ай бұрын
I just have to ask, why not cut the french cleat as part of the side panels ? Instead of screwing a separate cleat onto the outside of the panel making it wider, and thereby wasting wall space.
@daifeichu 5 ай бұрын
Main point I got from this video regarding French cleats. Think in 3-D instead of 2-D. Great job.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Yes, thats it. I am glad that it was not lost in my usual waffle.
@daifeichu 5 ай бұрын
@@startmaking1 I took apart the peg-board wall last night to get it ready for the French-cleats. I saw that peg-board wall in a way I never saw it before, flat and a waste of space.
5 ай бұрын
🤔 The cleat on the bench and the rubbish bin are an excellent idea. Thanks for sharing. 👍
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Dave. Born out of necessity.
@tesarik1974 Ай бұрын
Dude. Love your explanations and creative ideas. Simple, efficient and effective. Putting a cleat on the workbench and just move the box you are using from wall to bench, deserves 2 thumbs up!
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
Thank you very much. I have just built a new workbench and this one has a French cleat on a t track, very exciting lol.
@ryanbartlett672 2 ай бұрын
Nicely done. Your super honest, direct delivery style is appreciated. You gave me at least 10 ideas. Thanks!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Ryan. Very much appreciated,
@tonysicily2687 2 ай бұрын
Best French cleat video I have seen. Two great take aways, 1) Think 3D 2) French Cleat hangers rather than angled battens, Awesome
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Really appreciated.
@ianbelletti6241 2 ай бұрын
"1) Think 3D" OK. French cleats to hang French cleats to hang a 3rd set of French cleats. 🤣
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
@@ianbelletti6241 now you are talking.
@tonysicily2687 2 ай бұрын
@@ianbelletti6241 not what I meant, I meant hanging boxes of the French cleats rather than individual tools to save wall space. Obcvious, I know, but I had not thought of it before, I had always considered French cleats as pegboard,. One hole, one tool.
@ianbelletti6241 2 ай бұрын
@@tonysicily2687 I know what you meant but still posted the joke. Besides, people do fail to realize that the peg board hangers are often big enough to hang multiples of tools. The only difference between French cleats and peg board is how much you can extend the load off the wall and how much load it can handle per hanger.
@davidgee1585 21 күн бұрын
Good stuff. An old uncle of mine in his workshop used to screw the lids of jam jars under the shelf with 2 screws, then he could put screws nails etc in jars easily see what was where, unscrewed them as he needed them and make good use of the space under the shelf. Use this method myself 50 years on.
@startmaking1 21 күн бұрын
Love that idea. So simple yet effective.
@amoswright6134 2 ай бұрын
My OCD is good through the weekend, now. Thank you.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
You are welcome. I find the fact that most tools have a home to be really calming.
@teapyrategraphics 5 ай бұрын
The cleat on the bench is such a good idea.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. Simple things I guess.
@RambunctiousHamster 6 сағат бұрын
I think you may have made a small mistake when building your wall. My French cleat wall is done in the old style, but has zero wobble. The only time I had wobble was when I accidentally mixed up the boards I was utilizing on the backer wall with the boards I was using on my boxes for. My first go around, and it ended up not being a perfect match between the two angles. This taught me how important it is to keep you angles the exact same throughout to keep everything rock solid like this system was intended to be used. If you have a perfect 45 degree angle, you should have a solid joint no matter which side you use. But if you are off by half a degree or more, you must make sure to keep the boards that were cut at let's say 45.5 degrees all on the wall, and the boards at 44.5 degrees on the hanging boxes. Then everything will match up perfect as long as every cut was done at the same cut angle. This angle could actually be anything as long as everything is consistent throughout. But keeping it at a perfect 45 is easier to remember down the road as a 44.5 degree angle can be hard to recreate exactly. I think your problem with wobble is because you got different angles mixed up. Two 44.5 degree boards will never hold tight and will always wobble. Take your time when cutting them, plan accordingly, and your French cleat system should be rock solid without having to go through the hassle of the extra cut out pieces. You'll end up with a much stronger joint than those fasteners will give you as there is zero play, and no where for the wood to bend or give.
@christong2427 2 ай бұрын
So glad I saw this before cracking on with French cleating my garage!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
I hope it goes well. It is really fun and a bit addictive.
@Bobbyg2018 5 ай бұрын
This is the best french cleat video I've seen, and I've seen a bunch! Thanks much.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Wow that is very kind. Thank you.
@takeniteasyfriend 2 ай бұрын
The Marie Kondo of woodworking. Brilliant idea of basing your units on the a glimpse inside bracket for ease. Groupings with tasks and tools is the greatest takeaway👍 Thanks
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you. Very much appreciated.
@yankeeredneck6947 3 ай бұрын
That is one cool storage system. My Mrs is always gettin on me about the clutter and I've been thinking about the French cleat style. I will be building one shortly. Thanks for the video. Subbed
@startmaking1 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Not only for the comment but for the sub. Very much appreciated.
@bkipad 5 ай бұрын
Best French cleat video yet, thanks!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. That is very kind.
@G.I.JeffsWorkbench 3 ай бұрын
Not my first view of your channel, but I’ve finally subscribed. Why? Your common sense, straightforward approach, as well as your humble presentation style. I like how you didn’t make a fuss about dimensions, math or mandatory use of a table saw (things that many / most other french cleat wall “experts” do). Very reassuring, especially for beginners. I love my french cleat wall. You gave me inspiration for a few needed additions and modifications. Thank you!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Hi G I Jeff. Thank you for Subbing. But more than that, thank you for such a nice comment. Means a lot.
@billffromnh 5 ай бұрын
I like your use of the French cleat brackets. They are more efficient than the free standing cabinet & storage shelves I keep down cellar with my power tools. Your new shop building has plenty of room with everything up on the walls. Nice job!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Hi Bill. Yes, it certainly works for my shop. I have to say if space was not an issue like some of the commercial size shops I see, I would not have such an intricate system but for me, although this is a great step up from the shed, I have to be so careful not to overfill the floor and just not be able to work.
@NPOAfterMidnight-ft9zj 5 ай бұрын
Great video. Concise and informative. Lots of great ideas here as well as ways to think differently about storage and how to position things to maximum your space. Thanks a bunch.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
thank you so much. I really enjoy making these holders. Something cathartic about it.
@tonytunnell9873 2 ай бұрын
I'm your newest subscriber. I'm Tony from Utah USA. I do high end finish carpentry. Mostly on churches and temples all around the United States. I have a small, well, not that small ,wood shop. And accessibility to tools is vital to efficiency. Thanks for posting this content.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Hi Tony. Great to have you aboard and thank you for watching. and commenting. I have a feeling that if I saw your small, not small shop I would be more than a little jealous lol.
@tonytunnell9873 2 ай бұрын
@@startmaking1 I'm currently remodeling it .
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
That sounds like expensive fun.
@NigelTolley 2 ай бұрын
Not any more! I just subbed because this video was brilliant.
@Damon_Barber 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant and entertaining! 🎉 Thank you for all the great ideas! I’ve been threatening to do a French Cleat system myself and I have a laser that I’ve had for a year and not yet used. No excuses left. You’ve given me reasons to use both!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
YEs, thats perfect. If you struggle like I did to actually draw the brackets, I can email you a copy of my file just as a starting point. though it is not hard for anyone who can use sketch based programs.
@NigelTolley 2 ай бұрын
@@startmaking1 Any chance you could just mention the sizes and dimensions? Are they on your website somewhere? No point reinventing the wheel! I think it's a 60mm gap between cleats, and 50mm on the long face of the cleat itself, and you're using 18mm backboard.
@brw3079 2 ай бұрын
Wow! Common sense! Making the box and thinking outside of it! I love the french cleat on the bench idea with all the common things in one place! I did that with a little shelf above my bench, because I have cupboards under it, but I am going to rethink everything now!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
It's addictive be careful lol. But thank you, that is very kind.
@jimadams6159 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant, so simple but tremendously effective. All looks so good too.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Jim. Much appreciated.
@Toots8888 3 ай бұрын
That’s the second time I’ve missed a notification for a vid…anyway I’m glad as I love the French Cleat system… glue gun holster! Yup, I need. Hey, here is one for you - IKEA do a paper dispenser for children. I discovered I can mount a whole range of tapes… I bet you could design a French Cleat version. I love mine…so useful and allows me to access tape length etc really easily. Thanks for this vid. I just love storage solutions…being creative often means needing a wide range of products easily available, yet well organised. 🌈✨👏🏻✨🌈
@startmaking1 3 ай бұрын
Who knows how YT works with notifications and all. I think it is whether YT determines my video to be suitable to everyone or just a few. Maybe it depends on the content . Love the tape French cleat idea. I am slowly putting some more 'clever ' ideas together to make an additional video . Will have to take a look. Thank you.
@Venomator. 5 ай бұрын
Incredibly interesting and well constructed video, thank you! I am reconfiguring my small workshop in the New Year and have been considering French Cleating it. I have not seen a better, more instructive and entertaining review of FC use, just brilliant, and so very easy… 👏🏻 Great tips on cutting the FCs themselves and the various holders, not to mention the use of a back board, which I had not previously considered. Thanks again… 👍🏻
@startmaking1 4 ай бұрын
Thats very kind, thank you. I hope your refit goes well.
@davidlumley5143 10 күн бұрын
Put fan closer at height to open creating more of a Venturi effect, sucks/blows out more effectively! Great video and loads of tips!
@startmaking1 3 күн бұрын
Thank you. I will give it a shot.
@user-dz4cy3zx4d Ай бұрын
Jest watching the video I’m a semi retired 70 year old jointer well a tried to retire 😂 still in the work shop not really a job to me as I’ve enjoyed every single day doing what I love but the new French cleat and your style with your great ideas well deserved cheers for the inspiration look forward to seeing more 🤝thank you Chris Jon
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
Brilliant. I think that if I did this full time I would feel the same as you do. Thank you.
@pathardage1880 2 ай бұрын
Just freaking brilliant. Thank you.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@charliethebubbles 5 ай бұрын
Your enthusiasm is is amazing, after watching this it’s french cleats all the way for me. Keep these awesome videos coming.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you kindly. Lovely comment.
@drewachong Ай бұрын
Great video! I am redoing my garage shop and am getting ready to build my French cleat wall. You had a lot of great ideas on accessories to make. I can't wait to put some of those ideas to use!
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
It is so much fun just throwing different holders together. They dont have to be smart. But they can be. Good luck with yours. If you come up with any that I have missed let me know so I can steal the ideas as my own lol.
@markwalczak3374 5 ай бұрын
All looking good Mark new space really taking shape 👏
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thats kind Mark, thank you
@FearsomeWarrior 5 ай бұрын
Great seeing you in larger shop. Great video. Shops are always evolving. Love seeing more of the person reflected in the space. Personalized with other interests sprinkled in.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
What a greta comment. Thank you very much.
@jamesmcc5147 5 ай бұрын
Love the video, Mark. Put a French cleat system in this year, but need to get cracking on more holders, so your video has given me the inspiration to do so. I'll probably stick with the traditional cleats, though. I'm happ with them. Thinking 3D is a great point. One holder I would recommend is a saw holder which holds your saws by friction and dowels. Works a treat.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you James. And we are very much in sync on this. I was planning on the exact design of saw holder but just ran out of time for the video so I plan a follow up if this one gets a few views. The traditional cleats are absolutely fine too, they have held up this well for so long.
@robertmaggi6979 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant Mark Nice work as always mate i will be steeling some of those ideas love them all but especially the file and chisel holder im glad u got rid of those horrible and bad use of space magnet strips and your bin idea is the hero iv still got a plastic bag hanging on the side of my work bench on a hook so ill be looking fwrd of building your shop bin idea great work your a legend mate .
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
hi Robert. Thank you for the kind comment. I was worried the file holder would not hold up but so far so good. And waaaay better than the magnet strip, though they are good if you have the space . But the bin still wins out.
@JohnHibbard0808 4 ай бұрын
GREAT video!! I now have a weekend project and it is getting my workshop organized with French Cleats! Thanks for this one!
@startmaking1 4 ай бұрын
Hi John. That sounds like a good way to spend a weekend.
@erikleorga 5 ай бұрын
The French cleat system was the way I hung cabinets at my previous job. When they removed that it doubled the install time. Love their function.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Great info. I bet it did. Thank you
@NigelTolley 2 ай бұрын
This has been on my "watch later" for the longest time. I'm *so glad* I watched it just now, before I got my French cleat system quite badly wrong! Definitely going to buy some boards. Today!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you Nigel. I have popped you the file across.
@webdevmstr 4 ай бұрын
One of the best French cleat videos ever. I've watched it about 5 times to get all the ideas in. The glue cleat holder is epic. Would you be willing to sell your cleat SVG?
@startmaking1 4 ай бұрын
Thats really kind. Thank you. I dont sell these as I am still in the early stages of doing this YT thing. I would be happy to email you the file. It is pretty rough. Email me at startmaking2022@gmail.com and I can reply with the attachment.
@webdevmstr 4 ай бұрын
@@startmaking1 thank you very much.
@DEVUNK88 Ай бұрын
every tool needs a home...I heard that years ago and it really made a difference in how I organize, everything
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
It is the only way I dont go completely nuts in a small workspace.
@lqqkout8214 2 ай бұрын
Great video! Thank you for sharing your viewpoints on french cleats and comparing them to pegboards. I've seen plenty of videos on the topic and your points about utilizing depth and adding efficiencies are very insightful!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. I really enjoyed making this one. Seems I am a little addicted to it.
@brucewelty7684 5 ай бұрын
OH! The deliciousness of having a wall (even a SINGLE one.)!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
It is wierd but when I planned the workshop build in my head I considered windows on every wall and it was only a full wall French cleat system that stopped me. I am glad I stopped. Ive already covered up half the windows I have. Wall storage space is a premium.
@JK-zq9vw 12 күн бұрын
We used the same idea as your assigning each tool to a specific location. We also made it so the most frequently used tools where front and center and the less used tools further away from your work location. We also streamlined other tasks to increase productivity. Preventative maintenance and scheduled replacement of parts that could take longer to complete a task and/or lead to subpar results is another aspect we focused on. It all worked and made jobs easier…. Why I can’t seem to keep up with those same ideas in my garage I have no clue! lol!
@startmaking1 8 күн бұрын
Brilliant. I love the attention to detail. After that much I can understand why it is hard to do it for yourself.
@tealkerberus748 2 ай бұрын
This is gorgeous. I don't imagine I'm going to upgrade my tool storage space from a bunch of cheap steel shelves in my lifetime, but hey, if one of my grandkids gets into woodworking, I'd like to see them build something like this. I don't actually have any grandkids yet. Life is a work in progress.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. I really like how that comment progressed.
@johncarlson7955 2 ай бұрын
Love French cleats, million dollar idea. Made many heavy shelves and never has failed
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Me too. They are really fun too.
@michaelarts651 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Wonderful ideas! Thank you very much for sharing.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching and commenting.
@waynemiller6070 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for all the great ideas!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
More than welcome bud.
@phillhart2990 Ай бұрын
Love it! So many ideas I now need to implement!!!
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@drewc4204 5 ай бұрын
Dude! You''re a freaky genius for french cleats! I love it! Im going to steal a lot of these ideas and modify them towards my space. Thank you for all your thinking and developing. Your altruism is palpable and the world needs more of it. Earned a subscriber today for sure. =]
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Hi drew. you are very welcome. Steal away and make them better. Then show them to me and I can make some of my own. Love this community.
@paulmaryon9088 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Mark, another great and informative video, still looking foeward to the costings on the workshop, stay lucky and keep 'em coming
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Hey Paul. Seems this is a knock on effect of the build taking longer than I expected. I promise it will come and well before spring .
@puddinggeek4623 5 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I have watched quite a few French cleat videos and this is one of the best. Keep up the good work.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
That is a very big compliment. thank you
@toonybrain Ай бұрын
Sweet system. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
Thank you Very much. Appreciate the comment.
@eugenetswong 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! KZfaq recommended this, even though I wasn't searching.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
I am glad that the algorithm put it on your plate but more so that you enjoyed it. I appreciate the comment.
@timdone1902 2 ай бұрын
You’ve inspired me to get organised. So many options for my tiny workshop. I love the cleat on the workbench idea! 👏
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant. Inspiration is my main objective. This is a great thing for small workshops.
@stewartg2101 5 ай бұрын
Great Vid as always Mark. Thank you for sharing. Keep up the good work sir. 👍👍
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Stewart.
@prpman99 Ай бұрын
Hey thanks for the informative video. Have a laser and like your ideas. Always finding more ways to make use of the laser. Best French cleat video I've watched so far. Good job.
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
Wow, thats really kind. thank you. I feel that I am in the same boat. I am reaching for the laser more and more as I learn what it can do.
@gothscorpion2542 5 ай бұрын
Wonderful vid again. Thank you for your time and passion. I know of a wise older man that combined french cleat and peg board. Yup! He took his time and used 1x3 pine boarders, and struts every 16in, but holy crap is his tool board full but clean looking and organized. OMG it's..... it's just awe inspiring. I wish I could get a pic but he's on the other coast. One of his incredible idea too was he put scrap peg board piece on a couple 45° cleats, enlarged the holes and they hold his router bits and other stuff like the same. And yes he already understood bout the depth space you are talking about. He also deconstructed all his f clamps.... He could make any size f clamp up to 48inch brilliant man
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
He sounds like a smart and organised man. Thank you.
@projectrebuild908 5 ай бұрын
They all look great. Fantastic video
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@DavidC0962 5 ай бұрын
Excellent video Mark. Thanks for all of the ideas. Perfect timing too as I’m currently looking at all my tools lying around the floor of my new shed and wondering what to do about it.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
You are welcome. I am so happy to be able to see the floor again
@501meganinja 5 ай бұрын
Love it mate, I’m going to use it when I renovate my garage for sure!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. It's really fun to experiment with.
@bhartissimo 5 ай бұрын
Another excellent video! Thanks for quite a few great ideas.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Hey. thank you. Much appreciated.
@sus8e462 Ай бұрын
Thank you! So many great suggestions--want to apply a lot of this for my leather work studio, as well as DIY tools in my basement!
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
You are very welcome. Thank you for watching.
@frrapp2366 4 ай бұрын
another home run great vid and advice
@startmaking1 4 ай бұрын
Thats very kind, I really enjoyed making this one.
@kenzeiszler8213 2 ай бұрын
Wonderful ideas and your enthusiasm is catchy. enjoyed your video and thanks for sharing.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@stuartkorte1642 2 ай бұрын
A nice glimpse inside the modern cleat system. A lot of nice ideas I haven’t seen.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Did you mean the Glimpse inside pun. Great channel for the cleats.
@MrDazthaman 3 ай бұрын
Brilliant pal.... Fully appreciated
@startmaking1 3 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@webdevmstr 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@startmaking1 4 ай бұрын
That is more than kind. Above and beyond. thank you
@terryrogers1025 5 ай бұрын
Thank you sir, enjoyed the video, definitely something to consider. You have a really nice shop.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
thank you Terry.
@sorenjensen3863 2 ай бұрын
I actually built a french cleat wall in my work trailer. Absolutely love it. Far more compact than shelves, everything has a specific home (so workers mess up myntrailer less 😂), and modular. I can switch it up as needed.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thats is a fantastic idea.
@Greyotterstudio 5 ай бұрын
Great ideas as always! If I ever get a workshop that isn’t my conservatory I’ll be sure to use some of these!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Alex. Workshop with a view is what you have.
@tonyelliott5045 2 ай бұрын
@startmaking if you had left each cleat with both top and bottom edges at a 45 degree angle, you could have then stacked a cleat on top of a cleat on your wall. Also another tip, for the daily common tools, make the holder flat on the bottom so you can take it off the wall and carry it to your job site, and it can sit flat on a work surface.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
That is a really good point Tony. The flat bottom is one that I am kicking myself about now. It would be great with a frame of a base to stand it on. But , I am planning a cleat on my bench so it could be ok.
@dougdavidson175 5 ай бұрын
Nice to see the shop progressing M8! My 3x3m pop-up gazebo is in the box awaiting the Big Day Opening. Merry Christmas. Take care & stay safe.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Doug and Merry Xmas to you too. I need one of those gazebos, mine did not survive the winter. Not a surprise.
@mental963 5 ай бұрын
Great video, given me some inspiration for changing up my cleat wall….thanks mate!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Very welcome. And thank you
@thistledownwoodcraft3426 2 ай бұрын
Cleat on the bench, genius! Thanks for all this, I am out to get some 3/8" ply now.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much.
@clevelandexplorer2221 Ай бұрын
This is really interesting bud. Ive been making five cabinets for my hobby room, the back of which have a rabbit so an overlap between backboard and sides which I'll be cutting a French cleet with to take lots of stress into the sides which have most support I think. Basically your design but cut from the back of the sides with the addition of a lateral 45 piece. I like your cleat ideas bro, thanks for sharing!
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
Thank you. I hope it works out well for your build.
@ddatta56 3 ай бұрын
That’s a brilliant upgrade to an already decent system 👍🏻👏🏻
@startmaking1 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. I love the French cleat system.
@petrsidlo7614 4 ай бұрын
A couple of notes: 1) I like the way you store your squares, putting them sideways maximizes the number of things next to each other and is much more practical than putting them flat on the wall 2) The same principle can be used for your saws. A simple board with a few cross cuts can be used to store both your japanese saws and your western saws sideways, again, maximizing the number of them/making space for something else. 3) For handplanes and random other stuff that is more blocky - if you have enough depth space from the wall, consider building a simple open floorstanding shelving unit. The most space for planes is gained by putting them side by side on a flat surface, very much like the rows and rows of molding planes you see in old woodworking shops. Plus they are much more easier to grab and return that way. Any space not used for planes on the shelves can be then used for any other blocky thing you need to keep close - sharpening gear, power tools, bit boxes, the list is endless.
@startmaking1 4 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you for such a detailed comment. I love the saw idea and very much plan to implement it on stage 2. I like the plane idea too but I have to decide first which ones need to be close to hand and which ones I have for the fun of it. Thank you for the feedback though. much appreciated.
@jimrosson6702 5 ай бұрын
Hey Mark another absolutely great video so many great ideas I just wish I had room to put up some French cleats I share a shop and I have the middle section so I only have about 20 feet of wall space and there’s a big window right in the middle of it. I need to move some stuff around and clear up wall space and make some French cleats to store my tools you gave me so many great ideas. Thanks for sharing as always
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Jim.
@NigelTolley 2 ай бұрын
You could build a free standing wall, or even a movable wall on wheels! That's my plan.
@barbarianatgate2000 19 күн бұрын
Love the idea of the hanging boxes. Only one I saw that I can't personally get behind is the chisel box. The way it is set up, you have no way of knowing where a specific chisel size or profile is without hunting through each one until you find the one you're after. Plus, it looks like they end up sitting on the cutting edge. Other than that, I really like the ideas here.
@startmaking1 17 күн бұрын
I agree 100%. And yesterday I designed and made the alternative. ,Very excited to show it in the next French cleat video. I think I have solved the issues.
@barbarianatgate2000 17 күн бұрын
Can't wait to see it!
@JasonGrissom 5 ай бұрын
Whoa! I have A LOT of work to do now. My French cleat wall looks like a French cheap wall compared to this. 😂 Thanks for sharing all the awesome ideas Mark!
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Hey Jason. Hope you are well bud. With those 3D skills though, the possibilities are endless.
@douglasteachout1958 2 ай бұрын
I was glad that you mentioned where to get the cleats. I was thinking, "great, I do not own, or want to own, a laser cutter." Now, I can order some and get to work.
@niceguy191 2 ай бұрын
You could probably stack 4-5 layers of plywood and batch cut them on a bandsaw if you have one
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
From all accounts he makes some really nice cleat wall accessories. I wish they shipped to the UK
@TootEmCarMan 5 ай бұрын
Cool vid! Some very good ideas, you obviously put a lot of thought into it! :)
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
thank you. I do seem to be thinking about the workshop a lot. No bad thing I guess.
@DebsHill1 5 ай бұрын
some cool ideas
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Debs.
@Mellif-tools 5 ай бұрын
amazing vid
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you
@3d-cnc245 2 ай бұрын
Some great ideas
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@zapa1pnt 5 ай бұрын
Hi, Mark. Always love your creative talent. From your past reactions, to a few of my comments, you seem to think I am man with a great and organized shop. OMG! is That far from the truth! My "work area" is a cluttered mess of tools and home storage, in my small (SMALL) home basement. Well anyway, I was looking around, the other day, and saw I have several bench top machines on commercial, wheeled, metal stands, with either straight ( || ) or slanted ( /\ ) legs. I suddenly realized how much square feet, of floor they take as well as cubic feet, above the floor. So, now, I need to build some rolling cabinets, to put those tools on. While thinking about that, I realized, I don't have to do the whole project at once. I can build the basic boxes, with wheels, put the tools on them and come back later, to make the drawers and trim (if any). Then, I will have the rolly convenience, which I Really need, along with drawers for tools (later), which I also need. Well, OK, I need to clean up my house, too. Just felt the need, to share that, don't know why. 😁✌🖖
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
It's strange when inspiration takes us. I am still torturing myself about what kind of work bench I want. large all in one or a more mobile set of benches. It wont be right either way as there are so many advantages or disadvantages to each. One thing I have to make sure of though is that I today after each project/build because if it gets to far along and there is too much mess I wont tackle it and everything will grind to a halt. I suppose making videos is also a different use of a workshop to most people so my priorities are slightly different. Good luck with the tidying.
@spuds6423 13 күн бұрын
Cool vid!!! 👍👍👍 Very practical 😁
@startmaking1 11 күн бұрын
Thank you very much. Really appreciated.
@jimsjacob Ай бұрын
My main complaint has always been the “wasted space beneath the item I’m storing. Too thick skulled to have considered what is outlined here! Thanks for sharing your great ideas. Maybe it’s time to revisit my wall storage and get rid of the that peg board.
@startmaking1 Ай бұрын
You are harsh on yourself. No system is perfect. I like this one because I am addicted to it lol.
@daviddura1172 5 ай бұрын
outstanding
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Thank you David.
@magic.marmot 2 ай бұрын
Brilliant.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. Very much apprecated.
@couchdweller9364 2 ай бұрын
Those bracts are a great idea I'm using them really upped my wall
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
They are really easy to put on so many things. But the old way works too for some.
@tishhobbs6998 Ай бұрын
I'm planning a closet room in my small duplex. You've got me rethinking my whole world. My largest obstacle is committing to design. A wall of cleats will allow me to be as wacky as I wish and add as needed. Questions, please. I will be going into masonry walls. All but a small section btw bath and kitchen which has a tiny bit of sheetrock so there is no 16" on center studs to go into. 1. How thick should backing board be?2. How far should I space the tapcons (masonry screws) on backer board? How many rows of screws? 3. How long of screws would you recommend? Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. This will get me going with less anxiety about how many drawers, shelves, hanging rods, etc. I can do as I need. Cheers!
@startmaking1 21 күн бұрын
Hi. Apologies that it has taken a while to reply. I have been trying to figure out the best way to answer. I have to say that I am no expert in the construction side of this and have never mounted a cleat wall onto a masonry wall. I dont want to give you my best guess but instead would recommend that you join the French cleat FB group as they have a very active community that answers questions exactly like this and have far more expertise than I can offer. regards Mark
@MrSteamDragon 2 ай бұрын
mmm.... not new to french cleats, but this shows the system in a different light.. really love the idea of putting all the day to day stuff in the one tidy box... brilliant, thanks. P.S hadn't seen the battery holders before either....nice one.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. To be honest I only saw the battery holders as I was filming this. They have been excellent since.
@HermannKerr 2 ай бұрын
Thank you - I thought my work shop design was clever when I put it together 30 years ago. I added pegboard. I helped a bit but mot that much. I really like your use of French cleats and I know how tough they are. I built a full room width closet and hung every thing on the cleats. I only two and I should have had put in more. for flexibility. My workshop needs an update and If I moved everything from inside the table onto the wall, then moving it around would be easier. I need that garbage bag holder too. I would cut those cleats with my track saw (got it used and it was a demo used by a factory rep). Thanks again for a brilliant video. I can give all my pegboard stuff to my neighbour. I got them really inexpensively at an auction.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Track saw is a great idea for cutting cleat. Way better than the circular saw. It is a really fun and effective way to store stuff. But I have to say, I am making a work bench and there are some storage areas. Not everything needs to be on a cleat. It's whatever works best for you.
@inlandwoodandresin 5 ай бұрын
Quite possibly the most thorough overview of a French cleat system in recent memory. Well done. I'm still using drawers due to lack of wall space, but in the new shop I'll definitely be integrating some sort of wall system. Utilizing your walls just makes sense. On a side note, does that new XTool live up to the hype? Oh wait, don't answer that. You'll probably be shooting a video. I'll patiently wait. Cheers Mark
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Hey bud. As far as the xTool goes I can give you an answer for the content creator or the professional woodworker you are. Both are slightly different. If a professional woodworker can afford it then it is amazing. Really simple to use (even for a person who asked lee how to send him a video clip). Yes I am that inept. As a content creator I was offered it for free if I make 3 videos. I have done 2 and it is a lot to try and get something interesting for. Personally I would negotiate to show it on insta and do one video. And definitely get the filter one way or another. In all seriousness it is super and if you want to pick my brains about the business side of it and what is expected by the supplier I would be more than happy. As for the video and a kind comment as usual, thank you. Much appreciated.
@inlandwoodandresin 5 ай бұрын
@startmaking1 I bought 2 of their D1 diodes a while back, and they've been relegated to collecting dust. Good machine, just found myself not using them after a period of time. I can see the net benefit of having a more powerful cutter, but I'm hesitant to pull the trigger on a larger machine simply because of the over saturation of my local market, and its a big expenditure for personal use only.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Yeah. I made the decision that I wont try to compete on the making front. Over saturated everywhere I think. I will just use the machine to do a few things around the shop and to shop people what someone with no idea about tech can do with it. I would not use a smaller one just because of the fumes alone.
2 ай бұрын
Really genius. I don't have a laser cuter, but I believe I can make similar brackets with the 3d printer. Also thanks for that leaf blower tip!
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. I think you could easily do it that way, I have to say that I have seen some people cut their own from solid wood too since this video. They hold up well too.
@ianpearse4480 5 ай бұрын
Cool ideas for sure. Cleat holders are difficult to cut with hand tools or at least I haven't found an efficient way yet. Ideas are most welcome. Glimpse inside does fantastic cleat storage thingies. Ever thought about franchising his stuff and going into production, then we could buy holders from you. LOL. More videos on these subjects please.
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
That is true Ian. To be honest I would love to be able to sell or supply cleats and such in the UK. When I was researching I didn't find all that much competition. really. Trouble is as good as the laser is, mine is not really cut out for mass production of that kind of scale. I believe he has opted for a CNC due to the ease of producing from a single sheet of ply. I will always give out files if anyone gets a cheap laser and wants to cut these. Mine are a little janky but still get the job done. If you ever want a couple to test I have some of the smaller ones left over, happy to post a few if you email me.
@ianpearse4480 5 ай бұрын
Cheers. I get the scaling up problem for sure.Chris has an amazing set up, years of work into it. I think with the quality of your ideas you could charge for the unique files etc. I would think they would sell very well. I am loving the channel and your project ideas are interesting. Have you ever considered setting up a hive mind like James Wright has? I will drop you an email after the weekend (off to see the younglings for Christmas- early. As one Christmas is just not enough) LOL. Cheers again.Keep up the good work.@@startmaking1
@ianpearse4480 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. I will try to find an email address for you and drop you a line. Do you have an etsy type page that I can take a look at? @@startmaking1
@davidquirk8097 2 ай бұрын
Very useful video, thank you. One thing I do with my Makita batteries is to put a label on each one with a unique number and the date of purchase. This helps me to even up the usage of the batteries and also let's me know if a battery is likely getting to the end of its useful life. It means that I don't end up thrashing the life out of an older battery by putting it on the circular saw and breaking down a sheet of plywood.
@startmaking1 2 ай бұрын
Now that, David is a really good bit of advice. I have 4 and no idea how old any one of them is.
@thegoldend6 5 ай бұрын
Ya clever bugger! What a great improvement to French Cleats. It's a really, really well executed idea you have there. My one question is, "Is there a weight limit on what you can hang on a cleat?"
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
That's really kind. Thank you. As for weight, I don't think that there is one answer. I know with the old style cleats ie a solid bar of ply at 45 degrees, you can hang a lot. Cabinets and more. The only caveat being how well the cleat on the wall is attached . As for the laser cut ply. I would not hang a cabinet on that but that is mainly due to it only having 2 points of contact and not spreading the weight along the cleat. I would imagine that they would rip the cleat off the wall before they snapped. I feel an experiment coming along.
@mylesallbee6617 17 күн бұрын
This makes me feel better about not buying super expensive birch plywood for everything. What plywood do you use for your cleats though? Great video, very helpful!
@startmaking1 17 күн бұрын
Thank you, I use 12mm ply for the back cleats, not expensive stuff at all. Kind of middle of the road. I think it is around £60 per sheet. Same quality for the laser cut brackets but 6mm.
@Bluuuz 5 ай бұрын
Excellent video, Mark. Love your cleat development journey. In fact, your cleat wall is always the first thing I look at when you’re introducing a new video. Try putting up some surprises and see if anyone notices! The cleats with drawers are really cool and I’m planning one of those for my pocket hole jig but the one that made me laugh out loud (cos I loved it so much) was the glue-gun with glue sticks. Genius and so Buck Rogers! I can’t afford the laser cutter but I’m enjoying experimenting with new cleats to replace the utilitarian (and very botched) ones you first inspired me to put up. 3D definitely the way to go. Now, will you please get on to building your workbench with a built in table-saw? I’m in need of inspiration. ;)
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Believe it or not, I actually drew a sketch of the work bench last night. It may change in construction and it was just a sketch but that is my last step before buying the wood needed. Basically I hope to have it done by end of Jan. Good idea with the cleat easter eggs. I make them slowly as the year goes by. If this video is well received, I will make a follow up with some more holders. But I want to make some that are really different. The glue gun one was my favourite. It is an ever evolving thing. The laser certainly helps but I still use my scrap wood boxes too. PS I now have my table saw too. It is in a box until the workbench is done,
@themeat5053 5 ай бұрын
Very good intro, Mark. Another brilliant video. Excellent hints, and tips, also. And, look at all those dovetails, excellent. Then at about 15:00 in, the bomb, laser cut dovetails. Well, it's a technique and it works, so why not? Maybe try the router to cut them sometime. Personally, I'm not into the cost of the system, as I never have enough left over product to make one; and here plywood costs are huge (didn't used to be). But organization is key. Was that a Woodpecker's square I saw?
@startmaking1 5 ай бұрын
Hi. Thank you as always. I have to confess that, to date, I am yet to cut a dovetail by hand. I will this year and as always will show my first attempt here. Should be fun. I definitely would like a router dovetail jig. They look good once they are dialled in. Sadly it was the one tool I have used a fair bit from my TEMU experience. Not a woodpecker. One day maybe.
@themeat5053 5 ай бұрын
@@startmaking1 Christmas is coming and I have a Paolini pocket rule on my list. I've been giving Flynn Dogg a hard time about his, but truth be told, I like the look of it and it''s about one of the only ones I could afford. So fingers crossed Mark, maybe Santa (Father Christmas) might surprise both of us. Dove tails: a bit frustrating at first, but once you dial in your technique you'll wonder why you hadn't done them always. Looking forward to the new stuff out of Start Making. Merry Christmas to all.
@startmaking1 4 ай бұрын
Merry Christmas bud. Let's hope Santa is feeling generous.
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