Shannon picked up a few goodies at Defcon, including RFID blocking cases. We test them out and show off a more economical (and flashy!) alternative for protecting your RFID enabled items.
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@3113jp7 жыл бұрын
I recall a segment on the news that indicated carrying multiple chipped cards was a way to protect from the scanners. A single card provides just its information. Apparently when the scanner "excites" multiple chips, they would get multiple types of data responding, thereby providing jibberish. I plan on saving the old chips from my cards and trim them so they are easy to carry.
@ijoey448 жыл бұрын
Tin foil and duct tape: the two most invaluable items in your house.
@Adam01w015 ай бұрын
And no.3 is toilet paper..
@billmurry79078 жыл бұрын
It's definitely not more secure. For years I had the regular checking card without the chip. One month after receiving a replacement card with the chip installed, someone scanned my wallet and drained my account along with even the gift hard so had gotten a few months ago. Long story short, I was able to get my money back. But definitely not more secure. I will definitely be wrapping myself up in aluminum for foil.
@johnsaxondale215 жыл бұрын
No need to worry, the banks can always just print more pieces of green paper from absolutely nothing and with zero backing, its totally fine.
@the_realist_John_Doe10 жыл бұрын
Funny how the RFID chips are supposed to make things "more secure"... yet this whole segment was about how to safeguard your RFID chip from thieves. Kinda weird how I don't have to worry about foil or novelty wallets with my older card w/out the chip.
@noaidie8 жыл бұрын
+powerhousephg Can it read that far away?
@gemaimapoole10058 жыл бұрын
+powerhousephg Isn't that why we have PIN numbers in ordered to actually be able to use the card once you have the card number?
@DrDennis7 жыл бұрын
30 feet I hear.
@kayacanakin6 жыл бұрын
It's sad John Doe, you never heard mail order. Everything done with the card details is called mail-order and nothing saves you if you allow them publicly. And if you do not allow mail order, you can never (maybe some special type of companies excepted) make a purchase offline or online with the mail-order method. There was and there will always a way to steal your money and details for who wants it. There is no theftproof lock in the world.
@mlhowe675 жыл бұрын
Just returned from Mexico where my wife and I both had our cards compromised the same day. My card is an old one without the chip. Crooks are getting nastier, Neither one of us used our cards either prior to this.
@pratiksgole10 жыл бұрын
how does it ring if the other person isn't actually receiving the call ? Here in India we get a audio clip saying other person is unreachable .
@ShannonMorse10 жыл бұрын
My service still tries to transfer the call but his phone is basically considered 'off'. When he takes it out of aluminum foil or the case, it'll tell him he's got a voicemail.
@lohphat7 жыл бұрын
Just use a hard drive Mylar anti-static bag. $0.25
@bridgetg19164 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Where can you find these?
@rickylee648 жыл бұрын
Crap. Didn't even test an RFID credit card.
@algiersLee9 жыл бұрын
I took some sturdy scissors and cut out a dollar sized piece of metal out of a beer can (empty first!) and placed it where I place dollar bills in my wallet... it works. To test it I took my government chip enabled employee card and place in in the wallet, then waived it in front of a governent security door that is RFID enabled... it shielded the card !!!
@noaidie8 жыл бұрын
+lee almasy What brand of beer can works? ;)
@algiersLee8 жыл бұрын
+noaidie Coors Light
@DrDennis7 жыл бұрын
aluminum foil works well too.
@illuminatiagent76912 жыл бұрын
I bet german brand will work better.
@algiersLee2 жыл бұрын
go for it!
@MultiMegaMaxx10 жыл бұрын
That chip is NOT rfid. It's EMV (europay master card visa). It enables safe payment without using the magnetic stripe. It's used worldwide, but not so much in the US. I believe by next year its being implemented...
@crustyjuggleruk10 жыл бұрын
Yea the rf chip is smaller and will be inside the card itself. You can usually see the raised area where it hides
@bchsd169 жыл бұрын
Soon you'll just get the implant, coming next year
@MultiMegaMaxx9 жыл бұрын
dieselscience *slow sarcastic clap*
@twocsies7 жыл бұрын
3:50 The crazy brass things definitely look like they make electrical connections, so are not RFID. The cards may have both the EMV and the RFID (look for the logo).
@celluskh60097 жыл бұрын
EMV is RFID. The former is a standard, code ISO/IEC 14443
@michellecampbell11158 жыл бұрын
how do the chips prevent fraud yet they can be scanned for fraud? I never understood that.
@twoblink7 жыл бұрын
Let me answer that. There are two chips; and they keep referrring to "chip" and so that's where you are confused. There is an RFID "chip" in there; that's what people are trying to steal. When a "challenge" signal is sent to it; it "responds" to the challenge. This is your credit card information and that's what they are trying to steal. The "other" chip on it; the one you can "see" that looks like a square with some squigglies on it; that's a private key chip. When you insert it into the chip reader; the credit card company's server looks up your card; issues a message packet; with a payload of a shared key. This package is signed with your chip's public key; and if the chip is genuine; the chip will then be able to decode it with an internalized private key. When that happens correctly; the shared key is then used to transmit from reader to server correctly. Sorry for the nerd talk; but I hope I haven't confused you more. Summary; there's an RFID "chip" that is unsecure and what people want to steal; and there's a private key "chip" that will secure your transactions and guarantee security of transaction.
@izhamsaad7 жыл бұрын
unbelievable you guys have covered this topic since 2014 :) good job Tekzilla!
@springalingading4 жыл бұрын
Why aluminum on your head? Does it block emfs? I need to find something cheap to protect myself? I burn in my skin. Cheap recommendations.
@gangstalkingsimulation13194 жыл бұрын
Are u a target INDIVIDUAL
@appleseedfanatic7 жыл бұрын
how is an RFID card safer than one without any chips? can't scan a non RFID card
@mlhowe675 жыл бұрын
@@drewdavis7244 Just returned from Mexico, my card does not have a chip, I didn't use it and it was compromised. Crooks are getting nastier.
@danc20143 жыл бұрын
They mixed up a Smart chip with the RFID. One is read by a chip reader and the other one is wireless. But then this is 6 years old.
@michellecarty69434 жыл бұрын
It doesn't work wrapping your phone with one layer of aluminium foil. It takes 2 layers. It depends on the thickness of foil. I live in Canada, you know what would be good to use for bank cards, the old fisherman's friends rectangle tin cough drop cans.
@noaidie8 жыл бұрын
$75 for an aluminum phone box . . . WTF??
@alexanderkapsiotis80506 жыл бұрын
golden profit
@tobiashenderson7615 жыл бұрын
Recycles for about 1cent! Not even worth near as much as it sells
@michaeljotoyajackson72944 жыл бұрын
+noaideie : I know right.....SMH....l agree with you wholeheartedly. $75.00 my behind. I don't mind paying $32.00 to maybe $40.00 but $75.00 just greedy....!!!
@donaldthomson89655 күн бұрын
i was doing earth works in back garden with bobcat and lost my phone looked all day did not find so my mate to ring my phone nothing happened no ringing another day gone next thing to get metal detector after hours detecting finely got it about 1 inch under soil and still turned on so phones dont work under dirt (soil)
@LiEnby8 жыл бұрын
whats secure about grabbing ur card and waving it over a machine to pay
@happytosing18 жыл бұрын
If you have a wallet that has a billfold slot, the easiest thing you can do is to insert a sheet of foil there. Once the wallet is closed everything inside is protected by the foil.
@frankieboyo19698 жыл бұрын
+happytosing1 Yeah, just bond it to an old OHP slide
@martinavaslovik34336 жыл бұрын
Yup! I just wrapped two cards I never use in foil, and put them in the pockets on either side of my debit card. I've had 4 chipped debit cards hacked and fraudulent charges attempted on them in the last year. Fortunately my bank is very good at catching this and I was notified by text message immediately, and got the charge declined. This happened yesterday again, and I decided to do the aluminum foil thing. It's also worth considering that any company you buy from online may have insiders keeping your card information to sell to someone else down the road long after your purchase. That way you cannot know when your card was compromised.
@waltk405610 жыл бұрын
i've seen the something similar in stores for about 10 years now another alternative for cards if yu can work with the tight fit could be an altoids case cant rember the service provider names but one of the cards was labled tap and go
@C.P.C37197 жыл бұрын
I tried wrapping aluminum foil all around my phone and tried calling my number. Suffice to say, the call went through and the foil did nothing to block the signal
@bajajoes17 жыл бұрын
Well, I did the same and it worked so I suggest a double wrap because it does work.
@stevenvaughn71598 жыл бұрын
i just put a folded piece of aluminum foil in my billfold, works great
@ipconfigearth1026 жыл бұрын
Should i sleep with aluminum foil or similar helmet? My hostel wifi is very close.just want to reduce wireless exposure.
@tobiashenderson7615 жыл бұрын
The RFID chip cards was originally intended for law enforcement to have the ability to seize your asset's and to identify individuals within residential, commercial areas and vehicles without interacting! Soon you will have to have RFID access to everything from grocery stores two computers to even getting into a vehicle as well as purchasing anything whatsoever!
@ernestboaler2656 жыл бұрын
If anyone can help me I would be very greatfull to you'll as someone has put the RFID chip in my body and it is very disturbing as I am not able to do anything.kindly help me in detecting the RFID chip which I am not able to identify where it has been put in my body or let me no how to deactivate it.
@fisherman76335 жыл бұрын
Did i hear the lady say that her credit cards has RFID and that it's more secured? If RFID can be scanned by hackers, how can it be more secured? Just asking. Thanks for the video.
@Zanzubaa6 жыл бұрын
I wonder if one of those anti-static bags would work. Those are essentially conductive Faraday cages I believe.
@feniX0nE27 Жыл бұрын
Standard anti-static bags do not block RFID waves only electrostatic charge. It has to be specifically designed to block RFID. *You could wrap your device in foil and then place in anti-static bag. Pretty sure that'll be the easiest and cheapest way to accomplish both goals
@RunToEternity7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if a suit of chainmail would count as a faraday cage for your body, and thereby wallet?
@SuperiorNo13 жыл бұрын
Ask Scott Steiner 😂😭😈
@pbsing9 жыл бұрын
I used to use Lay's potato chip bags to hide my company phone, when I wanted to play hooky from work.
@sarriola186 жыл бұрын
pbsing you're a genius
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive4 жыл бұрын
Are you the guy who got caught then fired and sued for his employer?
@beyondbeyond19657 жыл бұрын
The 'crazy brass things' does not mean that the card is RFID based. All cards in the UK use the chip and pin technology alongside the magnetic strip, but not all of them are RFID.
@Slarti5 жыл бұрын
25 years ago when I worked in a shop I demonstrated to a colleague how easy it was for customers to steal goods past our security entrance - I simply wrapped the security tag in aluminium foil and walked out of the shop without triggering the alarm... and then I of course returned the items.
@TheDeadmous10 жыл бұрын
So if you wrap aluminum foil around RFID credit cards will it be safe from hands of hackers?
@judithtiger36405 жыл бұрын
Last year I read something about tin foil foiling the thief. I understand it works very well. Just cover your cards w/foil. Make a little tin foil pocket that you can slip your card into. The foil can get wrinkly but that's okay, doubt it matters at all.
@waitwhat59315 жыл бұрын
The bags ground coffee comes in work also.
@NSWMods10 жыл бұрын
We Had the bank chips on are cards in Australia a few years now Thank you for your video love them Take care
@Offensive_Username5 жыл бұрын
The magnetic stripe of U.S. American cards is unsafe too.
@szoszk8 жыл бұрын
This "Brass" Chip that is visible on the front is NOT an RFID chip. You can't wireless receive data from those chips. Most newer credit/debit cards though additionally have an RFID chip inside of it.
@FeuerfaustGolDAce8 жыл бұрын
Guess what some cards only have one chip that does both.
@Randorita10 жыл бұрын
The other reason we haven't embraced chipped credit cards is that it will require new POS machines for all the merchants and they do not want to pay for them. I am ready for them, though with my Zippo aluminum wallet. I got it to prevent breaking my debit card every year or two from sitting on it all the time.
@GlobalPath9 жыл бұрын
Forget about foreign countries.. I was RFID swiped at Newark Airport 2 weeks ago.
@elrico13646 жыл бұрын
how about lead foiled pouch, wallet etc. seems lead worked for superman vs kryptonite so why not your cell phone.
@danielc34538 жыл бұрын
Patrick I like the look.....a real chrome dome.
@megazwatcher6 жыл бұрын
so heres what I didtook my credit cards, aded an extra old xard for space and folded a piece of paper around them, leaving one end open to slide cards in and out.like a cd sleave envelope.tape it up with packing or scotch tapenext add a layer of tin foil and tape thatnow remove cards, fold strips of foil over the open ends edges and tape.add another layer of foil outside and tape that up good, fully covering the exterior. now repeat these steps to make a cap about 1"-1.5" deep that slides on over the envelope. and your donetake out the spacer card and you now have an rfid proof sleeve pouch for your credit cards
@Eclipce05110 жыл бұрын
jeje. very interesting to see that foil still works :D
@MrFree0064 жыл бұрын
What about the anti statistic bags ? Would that work?
@marzemarcel95295 жыл бұрын
Lol I had to check on the date of this video, now banks won't even protect you if you don't update your debit car with the new chip cards.
@pythiasibyls62699 жыл бұрын
Does Aluminum Foil block GPS?
@scotyluv6 жыл бұрын
Why don't they call without anything over the phone. He may just have bad signal
@koreyumaaka44125 жыл бұрын
May I get links to the items you've show here?
@smug85674 жыл бұрын
From the looks of that skillet, former customers of his are walking around with a teaspoon of teflon in their blood.
@prorepair12635 жыл бұрын
The call should go straight to voice mail. I dont think she called his number.
@maygcollins75349 жыл бұрын
would this work wirth radio and ipod?
@jamesluckhurst47985 жыл бұрын
Payless cards work on the fact you have to get to within an inch of a scanner or device but a uni found out a way to get up to 80cm to read a card so someone could just walk by you and clone your card... the real issue is if you used a card you would be on camera so in a way its not secure but secure enough to prevent ppl
@Christosan885 жыл бұрын
I miss this channel
@redrock19637 жыл бұрын
You ar ea very good presenter Shannon and as a viewer bonus you are smokin' hot.
@HHh-ej4rl5 жыл бұрын
3:53 That gold is NOT an RFID symbol. The chip credit card and your videos are why RFID blocking wallets are so popular.
@Wyominite695 жыл бұрын
She said Labtop?
@xvhkgreen62974 жыл бұрын
yes
@gregoryashton7 жыл бұрын
How did the phone ring if it was blocked?
@topkatspride4 жыл бұрын
The phone you heard ringing was from the woman, whose phone wasn't covered by aluminum foil -and who had her phone on loud speaker, to the man, whose phone was covered by aluminum foil.
@Vinhhotboii10 жыл бұрын
awesome video!!!
@obsessed196510 жыл бұрын
I'm buying extra aluminum foil now. Lol.....
@keving520025 жыл бұрын
was the phone analog or digital ?
@CALLIN7993 жыл бұрын
Bet you felt better with those on :P🥏
@michellecampbell11158 жыл бұрын
the foil just keeps ripping. It's a pain. I would rather just buy the wallet.
@pijesz8 жыл бұрын
use duck tape or similar tape to keep it from getting ripped.
@ucitymetalhead7 жыл бұрын
Michelle Campbell just make an aluminum foil insert with some duct tape to keep it together and keep it in your wallet.
@MaiMai_Z7 жыл бұрын
Michelle Campbell or any pretty tape or glue pretty fabric.
@lawrencematos749310 жыл бұрын
It creates a faraday cage ...with the Phoil..
@SeekTruthinLight6 жыл бұрын
How is a RFID chip more secure for us, when it can be read from a distance with a high power scanner, having more information than just a number on it. Ya see how crooks do it at gas pumps.. It may be more secure for credit card co.
@reflectiverabiddetermined8 жыл бұрын
u guys going defqon next week bruv
@JeepsCafe4 жыл бұрын
Liars! I just wrapped my phone in aluminum foil and it still rings !
@alluringstar59104 жыл бұрын
Did u use Reynolds aluminum foil or some other cheap brand?😄
@A___Way5 жыл бұрын
Rfid cards more secure? Didn't you meen less? The sim is more secure than magnetic stripe, but more secure that card info can be stolen without physical contact 🤔 great show anyway 😄
@TheErlinda20094 жыл бұрын
...oh I just bought a bit bigger wallet from tk maxx cost me $19.95 aud and it's not even leather and so plain beige colour and it's made by Adrienne vittadini the cheapest I can find. I will use it to put my passport and mobile and also got a power bank with usb connected. I didn't realize an aluminum foil will work. Thank you sir. I will make a lot. :-) :-) :-)
@BahramIri-kc1bh20 күн бұрын
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@MAXgiz201110 жыл бұрын
people get them stolen by just scanning them
@acajudi1007 жыл бұрын
Put red construction paper around the cards etc.
@moneymaker12235 жыл бұрын
If only the box was waterproof. The 1 key element they forgot about when building this futuristic product that's post to b everywhere next year
@thomasbleming6785 жыл бұрын
Aluminum foil works quite well.
@buick40135 жыл бұрын
Airplane mode works just fine.
@mihael14928 жыл бұрын
Faraday cage has to be grounded in order to be called "Faraday cage" otherwise it's just a cage :)
@anthonyleedickinson34916 жыл бұрын
Or even better do what I did refuse rfid card out right. I told the bank I don't agree with them and don't want it.
@slimrudy21335 жыл бұрын
Crazy people! I'm going to wear a silver foil hat!
@jonnypanteloni8 жыл бұрын
" 1:47 If you work for a Govt contractor and want to be more legit...." Right yeah cause govt contractors spend their spare time getting help from youtube tutorials for 15 year olds.
@wherezthebeef8 ай бұрын
Ah, ridiculous, silly $$ for these specialty , stylish RFID products, I'll just make my own at cost of about 1 cent's worth of well measure, but aluminum foil and it I want to make it more stylish, I'll just use Gold foil 🙂
@aminekhaldi25658 ай бұрын
في أحيان كسكاس يقيك من قصف صواريخ فرط صوتية 😊
@hopefulmelancholy75146 жыл бұрын
Tin foil hat jokes aside those few items they reviewe did seem helpful. .........their is also 🍎 pay😁
@MrGaleanthropy5 жыл бұрын
One day I went to my bank and asked them to add my picture to the card (this is when they just used a signature at point of sale. The bank refused and told me about a new secure technology call chip & pin. I asked why that is more secure than a picture but they didn't comment. I think it was about a month till some clever bod in Cambridge worked out how to bypass Chip & Pin security and could get any card payment to work with any pin they entered. www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/security/banking/nopin/oakland10chipbroken.pdf Now I get a card with RFID that I didn't ask to be enabled, that can be scanned with an app!
@ParadoxdesignsOrg10 жыл бұрын
I'll stick to tinfoil, because well... its fashionable.
@ethanwasme43078 жыл бұрын
So wouldn;t you test your own product to see if it's legit? We now know the off market phone case is...
@LeandroFTW10 жыл бұрын
Pretty much NFC cards and Android phones.
@donaldmcgreggor36315 жыл бұрын
Aluminum Foil is stupid thing to do, just get a new wallet, maybe you will like Cascade Wallet from Mani Wonders.
@feniX0nE27 Жыл бұрын
Don't spend crazy money to accomplish what aluminum foil does for next to nothing!
@frankieboyo19698 жыл бұрын
Shoplifter bags.
@helloworld61608 жыл бұрын
its a couple years later and they are everywhere. illuminati confirmed.
@cecilcooper62105 жыл бұрын
Yeah. and with the new nanobytes , we will soon be ingesting rfid chips with our foods.
@chabouyamoreno52584 жыл бұрын
False it doesn't work
@almc.12885 жыл бұрын
This is scrap..you notice they are NOT scanning the phones or cards.that's what people are doing