Yeah i totally agree with everything you just said there... İt's exactly the point i tried to make with this video...thank you so much for watching and commenting. Please, consider subscribing, liking and sharing if you can it really helps!

Were you not paying attention how Rhaenyra proposed marriage between her son and Alicent’s daughter to unite them? And how she thank Alicent for her loyalty to her father? And lastly, how she refused to go to war even when her counsel is pushing her to? 👀

@@raf3765 Her marriage proposal wasn't even that good. Like i would no one would want their daughter to marry a bastard and put her in danger. Her willingness to not go to war and giver her youngest sons as hostages is a noble one tho...But it is not going to make her a hero tho...

@@raf3765 Keep in mind, Jaecerys is a bastard so, his claim is already, well... precarious, to say the least. And it was a last ditch effort to increase whatever lack of claim she had left. Shoot, she even left off to Dragonstone cause she knew her decisions had led to some dire situations for her and her 3 "strong" boy's.

@@smokingmirror8482 Thanks, I'm glad there's some still out there that see how ridiculous Rhaenyra's decisions have been. If she was ever serious about being the heir then she'd have been more conscious about, well, a lot of things.

İ agree with some of this. Yes the showrunners dumbed down Daenerys' arc and political decisions in the show. But they did the same for Rhaenyra. This is why in the begining of the video i said i would only be focusing on the show versions of these two characters. This being said i think that Daenerys' mistake was not that she didn't use enough force but that she didn't understand the history and culture of Meereen and why slavery came to exist in the first place. Like what is going to happen after she and her dragons leave. Will the future rulers of Meereen try to reestablish slavery again? What's stopping them from doing it? What kind of political system will she establish? The show did not care to answer these questions unfortunately... But at least they showed that she had a better understanding of things than Rhaenyra.

@@smokingmirror8482 that again goes back to the show butchering her Marren arc because the books have her navigate through all of this like how she plants tree to grow food , hosting cort with nobles and commoners , creating a system that discourages slavery they removed all of this and just had her standing or sitting around occasionally holding court or threatening to kill the masters danys tv self was just butchered is the explanation essentially.

@@thatoneblackdude3333but even in the books Dany in Mereen was still bad.

@@jjh2456 she wasn't bad her problems came from trying to compromise with the masters not from her being a bad queen

@@thatoneblackdude3333 you should read "Untangling the Meereenese Knot", published in 2013. They're a series of essays on Dany's Meereen plot and her last chapter in ADWD. One of the main points of the essays is that Dany *actually* succeded in Meereen, politically-wise. She achieved peace, even at a significant personal cost (marrting Hizdar, chaining Rhaegal and Viserion). But that's not enough. Her entire mind is set on ruling Westeros: Dany doesn't *want* to plant trees in Essos, she stayed in Meereen because she was tired and wanted a rest from fighting in Astapor and Yunkai. Her failure is that she wanted to rule but had no true desire to stay, build something bigger (in her final ADWD chapter she reminds herself that she is a dragon and 'dragons plant no trees'). It's no so much that the masters did not want to compromise, but that she is not willing to stay there long enough to impart real change. What will happen in Meereen when she leaves? Most likely they will end up like Astapor and Yunkai, or they will be completely destroyed. That being said, I think both Rhaenyra and Daenerys ultimately fail because you cannot make a revolution for one. Rhaenyra does not believe women shoud have the same rights as their male sibilings: she believes *she* should have precedence over her half-brothers (on the show, when Rhaenys talks to a young Rhaenyra and says the lords of westeros will never recognise a ruling queen, she answers "no, they didn't chose you"). Same thing happens to Dany, she doesn't set up to free people across Essos, in fact she's pretty much OK with slavery (she's surrounded by slaves at Illyrio's place, the dothraki also keep slaves) up until she cannot buy Unsullied. Why should she have to make such sacrifices in the name of duty towards Meereen, the city she decided to rule, or Essos, the only continent she truly knows?

Yup she is an amazing actress too. She brings a much needed sense of maturity to her character.

Thank you for watching my friend! Same for you. İ watched some of the videos you made about HOTD very nice stuff! İ like how you explained that Daemon and Rhaenyra's relationship is not real love but actual GROOMİNG. People who ship them rly need to watch that video xD.

@@smokingmirror8482 I really don’t see any other way to describe that twisted relationship. Looking forward to ur future videos.

She was doted so much she thought she could get away with it lol. İn the book her children's appereance can be defended to some extent but since the show decided to make the velaryons black that is not the same in the show.

Facts I can agree with alicient in that. 1 is a mistake 3 is just an insult.

​​​@@smokingmirror8482nah her kids in the book looked like harwin. It could be argued that in the book rhaenys has black hair so it could be passed down to the grandkids but that fails when the strong kids has brown hair like harwin. How could rhaenys black hair be passed down to them lol

@@Janary08 Yeah one of the kids having black hair could be justified but not all 3 of them lol. Brown hair is also more sus too.

Yeah they mad Aegon way too deranged for him to likeable. İ don't think anyone can rly root for a guy who enjoys watching children fight in pits.

Are you putting the legitimacy of her children loudly into question? I will have your tongue for this... :D

@@smokingmirror8482 Especially when his own bastards are in it

Yeah, neither Aegon or Rhaenyra should be crowned. Aemond would've been a decent, dutiful King if given the chance, though after the loss of his eye, well... that left him (understandably) biased and bitter about the situation.

The Dragon does what it wants 🤷‍♂️ Rhaenyra has every right to sleep with whom she wants and bear his children. She was forced to marry a sword swallower because her father was pissy about his brother getting jiggy with his niece. The Dance/Death of the Dragons happened because the Targaryen’s ignored their own tradition in favor of lesser beings. If Viserys simply ignored the opinions of leeches and ignored his personal feelings he’d have either A. Never announced a new heir because he’s young (at least in the books) and just let Daemon be his heir Or B. Marry Rhaenyra to Daemon and their Son Aegon… would be the undisputed heir… which ends up happening anyways 🤦‍♂️

The fact that she chose to have bastards in the first place kind of makes her look like an idiot. And the fact that she refuses to admit to it even tho everybody can see it makes her look even more so. The problem with Raenyra is that she ran away from King' Landing in the worst moment possible. She left just as harwin did which made them look even more sus and allowed Alicent and Otto to have full control over King's Landing. Also her sitting in the small council does not mean she would make a good ruler or that she knows westeros well. Viserys sat in the small council often yet his politcal skills did not improve because of it. Ned Stark sat in the small council yet he never fully understood the politics of the Red Keep and failed to see how things turned against him. İ don't think it is fair for you to accuse me of disliking Rhaenyra because of her personality and morality considering the fact that she is very similiar to Daenerys and Daemon two characters i like quite a bit and i used to like Rhaenyra for a similiar reason when she stabbed the hell out of that boar in episode 3. To be she lost her fire after that. What i don't like about Rhaenyra are her decisions... she just isn't very good at making and one of the main themes of the book for her is that she nherited her father's indecisiveness something we see in the council in episode 10 and that i hope the show will change in season 2. Because words cannot express how much i loved the war in Rhaenyra's eyes at the end of the season. İf she wants to be a good Queen she rly needs to learn to be more decisive.

Nice one lol.

Great characters played by great actors!

@@smokingmirror8482 Yes

So what you are saying is rhaneyra being whore is a badass .

Yup. Book Rhaenyra has actual agency and can be held responible for her decisions. But in the show everything is an accident. HOTD is a good show but a mediocre adaptation.

@@smokingmirror8482 it's season 5 level of quality

@@lonemotheomatshaba9640 More like season 5 and 6 and 7 mashed together

@@lonemotheomatshaba9640letting Helaena do suicide was Rhaenyra biggest mistake

True no character is perfect in the world of GRRM. But some people really seem to think that Daenerys and Rhaenyra are these "perfect" feminist revolutionaries that will change and modernize the miedival socities of the world lol. Contrary to what some people wil ltel you Rhaenyra is not a feminist. And Dany is no saviour especially in the book.

@@smokingmirror8482 Even if their motives are admitedly self serving they do have the potential to bring positive change long term. Simply because they upset the status quo. Does not mean these are qualities u actually want in a ruler.

@@drrohanjacob Totally... one of the main points in GRRM's stories is the criticism of feudal society and that the people in power are corrupt just like it's system.

Both of them have a claim. Even tho Rhaenyra is at a disadvantage because of her brother her claim does matter. Many lords will side with her and in the book many people boo at Aegon during his coronation scene and call him a usurper. The book shows us that people do have a sense of loyalty to Rhaenyra.

@@smokingmirror8482 like the queen who never was I believe that Rhaenyra claims are legit since she’s the crown princess don’t wanna speak in about is our beloved mothers of dragon day, potential usurper of a favorite bastard when it comes to the iron throne only two females ever had rashes claim to that seat and we’re screwed over by lesser lords