Me too!!!

Me three 🤣

I clicked on because her apartment reminded me of her original apartment.

@@GwenPidgeon ?? They are nothing alike besides a few colors! This one is huge compared to the Minneapolis attic.

I do too. I hate the blandness of today's decor

Fell in love with her on The Mary Tyler Moore show Rhoda show was the icing on the cake! Takes me back to my childhood. Thank you for the memories! God Speed Valerie Harper You’ll be missed! ♥️

I just loved her. RIP 🌹

I still remember exactly where I was standing when i got the news she'd passed. I quietly cried right in the middle of Michael's Craft Store by the seasonal decor, I think it was baskets and lanterns.

Very moving and convincing performances from Valerie and Nancy!!

Nancy was an amazing actress. Same with Valerie

That got me!!!!!

It hit me very hard 🥺

Yes, this was such a sad moment. I ached for Rhoda because she loved Joe so much, believed in the sanctity of marriage and its tradition. Unfortunately, though Rhoda had modern values, she learned that in era of women's growing empowerment, the traditional hero in shining armor, the white picket fence, and the happily ever after does not always happen for Joe, as the hero, could not play the part well enough to commit. I wish Joe had spoken up early in their relationship. But then, the show would not have been what it had been - the growing and maturation of Rhoda and her family as they dealt with adult issues and life. Thank you, Valerie!!! I was a teenager when the show first aired. Coming back, now as an adult, made everything so clear. You did a marvelous job, along with everyone in the cast. It was a great moment in time that will never be forgotten. RIP!!!

AGREED!!!

The emotion was so real and so raw I felt like it was happening to me, brought me to tears, brilliant actress

It nearly made me cry. 😭😭😭😭

Well put. The writers should have been up to the challenge and not stuck just because they can only think of women in terms of married or not. It should not have mattered, just like it doesn't matter for shows with male leads.

Agreed.

Their separation was way too abrupt. Not having Nancy Walker impacted the series badly, too.

@@travisjames3517 agree. their characters as a married couple were perfect. It made no sense for them to divorce after only two years.

@@trawlins396 It was Valerie Harper. She felt the characters being married were becoming boring.

I agree Nancy Walker is the best

And then she says Joe is suffering.

She was so funny

I don't!

She live a happy life ,we will never forget her,

Same Here... There's nothing like a Mother's Love!

it was well written... heartbreakingly so

That scene nearly made me cry. 😭😭😭😭

I did cry! Im a sap

Same here. It almost broke me. Actually it did 🥺

In New York yet!

Well, She trapped Him!!!

He seemed abusive.

@@SACHKIGAL The writers!!

The way the proposal was written I could understand why

He never wanted to get married he wanted to live with her

Sooo cute

I did Noel.

Yep

Tom Jones with a bad attitude perhaps? I don’t like him for Rhoda though, she’s a great gal and he’s a shmuck!

Now that you mention it....😍

I think that it was not unfortunate that she had a more modern approach in life and marriage. . Women need not be barefoot and pregnant in order to be happily married. Besides, the 70s was a transitional era for women and men. In any effect, I was in elementary school when this came out. I liked it then and I understand it now. She was excellent and it was a great show. Don't make them like this anymore.

Exactly. I LOVED them as a couple. I don't even understand WHY they made them divorce after only two yrs??? Joe was such a cutie!

Ay Carumba!!

Joe's sudden shift was not so sudden, it was a long time in coming. It happened to me and to my ex-husbands sister in law at different times. Sometimes we finally only realize the wrong choice we made when we stop trying to convince ourselves that those gnawing doubts don't mean what they actually do.

What about when rhoda ditched joe to hang out with mary

I remember being really upset about their divorce.

What the hell was buying a house thing!!!!! Anyway

Joe flashed his temper many times in the first two seasons, and sometimes came across as selfish and boorish. So I don’t agree that Joe was acting entirely out of character in Season Three.

She deserved it. The last scene between Nancy and Valerie is some of the most truthful, honest acting I've seen on camera. really beautiful stuff.

She’s remarkable right out of the gate. Much better actress than Valerie.

It would have been actress not actor.

Adam Sukenick -well deserved.

Nice!

That part made me so mad with Joe! Then he negotiated again at some unheard of conditions. They were denied the second time. “Well it wasn’t meant to be,” screw you Joe!!!

Same here.

The writers should have kept them together

Me personally I always hated Joe I was so glad when this happened....RHODA was WAY TOO GOOD for him

@ Exactly. The breakup made ZERO sense to me. They were a perfect couple.

@ Joe wanted more doe

@@trawlins396 why return Rhoda to her former life without evolution and increasing her insecurity. Bad, bad decision.

And Carlton

....too REAL for an escapist comedy; they gambled, and the show LOST, big time....

It's bad when a sitcom becomes more like a soap opera. I love "Friends" but the Rachel and Ross nonsense became so important in the show, it drove me batty. I wanted funny situations, not romantic entanglements and melodramas. Will they, won't they, they're on, they're off, etc, ad infinitum. Awful, and it's manipulative and cheap writing at it worst. Shame the writers decided to give Rhoda a major relationship in the first place.

"Rhoda" was mediocre compared to the series it spun off from. Like night and day. The MTM show sparkled, made us fall in love with the cast and with that sharp writing. But _this_ show overall comes off as a dismal wannabe. I'm surprised it lasted five seasons.

@@eduardo_corrochio Agree!

...or Lorenzo Music (aka Carlton the Doorman)?

I dont know about anyone else is because Nancy walker I always know she died a long time and I associate her with Macmillian and wife. David Groh I always forget that he died (my hunk of man ) and Harold Gould I really dont remember him except for time to time sitting on the couch

The writers were having trouble coming up with stories for Rhoda. By having her get married so early in the series, they felt the character had lost the spark that made her popular. I agree the storyline was depressing and really killed the series in my opinion. It was never quite the same even when she was single again.

"Take care of yourself" is a jacka*ss line of hypocrisy from someone abandoning you and their vows. "I'm buggering off, but let me virtue signal like I care as I leave."

@@tamething1 my ex husband told me I was strong. Left me with 2 teenagers. So selfish!

@@gardenroom65 Lol not the same as a 40 year old sitcom. But what a Dick.

I read I think it was David Grohs own book that he personally took the powers that be writing him out of the series very hard.He went to them asking for a reconsideration but they said no.it just wasn't meant to be that Rhoda would stay married and the series fell apart shortly after his depart sure.

It was a terrible choice. We knew Rhoda's struggles to find a nice man and, for the first two seasons, that is who Joe was. Then they turned him into a short-tempered, unreasonable boob. It was not fair to any of the characters.

Had they not broken up, the series would have most likely crumbled and died (during or right after this season). It was stagnating horribly. I am one of the few members of "The Glad They Split Up Club". So, why am I glad? Look at Mary Richards. They never had her settle down, get a husband. She rarely had a steady beau. And the show thrived. They always had fun stories for her character. Then in "Rhoda" they should have kept Rhoda single, that was their big mistake. There are so many more comedy opportunities there. It's amazing to me when I see all the backlash and dislike from viewers about this relationship ending. It feels like a big chunk of the audience who watched (or watches) it wanted a happily ever after-- even if meant a boring show with a boring couple. And that's cuckoo when you think about it. Life isn't always happy and smooth. And comedy, if we remember, is not about happiness and success; what's funny is loss and failure and unhappiness. There are worse things, folks, than a single woman, or a single person. Maybe psychologically you needed Joe and Rhoda to stick together for reasons of your own. That's your beeswax/baggage. But for the series, it wouldn't have worked. This sitcom struggled enough without the great writers and cast of "The Mary Tyler Moore Show". The only good things in "Rhoda" besides Harper was Kavner as Brenda and Music as Carlton-- plus the occasional appearance of Nancy Walker. That's not a lot to keep a show going. Leaving Rhoda and Joe together would've been like buying the show's tomb stone.

Hey no spoiler alert?!?!? :)

@@eduardo_corrochio I can't imagine why anyone would be glad they split up. They could have created plenty of storylines with them still married. Eventually they would've had a baby. Look at I Love Lucy. They were married and had plenty of funny storylines. It made no sense to have them divorce after only two years. The show went downhill after that.

@@trawlins396 I respectfully differ. First, a show doesn't have to have a married couple to be good or funny. You seem to be under the impression that, in sitcoms, marriage = success and guaranteed comedy. Comedy can work in any situation if the writing is good and the characters are enjoyable and relatable. There have been quality series where the two leads couldn't stand each other much, as well as successful programs in which the couple is divorced from the get-go (and are either seething enemies or good buddies). Moreover, babies often get in the way of a show rather than improve it: Little Ricky, Pebbles Flintstone, and so on. Aside from cuteness and a temporary ratings lift, what does an infant bring to the production? And the sitcom suddenly becomes "the baby show" ... until they hopefully/finally get back in their old groove and stop focusing on the kid. To be fair, one baby that was an interesting addition to a sitcom was Joey on "All in the Family", because of the conflicts that rose between his grandpa Archie and his parents Mike and Gloria. That show didn't become a temporary "baby show"; instead it incorporated Joey into some of the stories once in a while rather than have him dominate things. Back to "Rhoda": I believe the show would have failed whether the couple stayed married or broke apart. But I have no way of knowing if that would have happened had they remained together. Rhoda and Joe were dull for me, the type of characters (or straight men, to coin an old showbiz phrase) who need outstanding strong supporting cast members to do the real comedy. The series wasn't bad-- though it often came close, especially when they focused on a character like Nick the accordion playing jerk who talked like Fonzie. Overall "Rhoda" was a lackluster spinoff (and that's surprising since it branched off from such a sharp and hilarious and charming sitcom that was "The Mary Tyler Moore Show"). Sorry I went on at such length. :)

I dont know what generation you are but I hope you enjoy it as much as those of us who saw it as it was released. Give Mary Tyler Moore a shot and then Phyllis. Lou Grant was a show but not like theirs. If you haven't seen them already. 😊 The 70s were great. The styles which are back somewhat. It was a nicer time .

You must see The Mary Tyler Moore series. The best TV there ever was.

Agree

It could have been handled better for sure. Such a letdown that Rhoda, who wanted nothing more than the security of being married, had to endure yet another relationship failure. The goofs and oddballs she dated on MTM Show provided a good portion of the humor of her and Mary's evening talks. That there was no Mary equivalent on the show didn't help either.

Amen

Can’t believed I’m watching this shit show, yet again, rom “Mary Tyler Moore” 70’s throw up Norman Lear decade

@@msr1116 divorcees are more likely to go through it again

You people are amazing. Poor Rhoda ? This isn't real life!

I know right ? worst opening theme ever

Agree. They should've married them in season 2, not 1.

@@trawlins396 ????

@@cain1830 that was supposed to say not 1

This is feminism as peddled in the 70s. And now. A traditional family is too uncool...has to be broken up.

Agreed!

Agree!

Yep!

@@molliwilson5639 Where did he go from here?

I think the problem is that David Groh simply was NOT FUNNY. Ron Silver WAS funny... they should have introduced him, had them date, and have Rhoda eventually marry Gary.

@@brockreynolds870 You mostly hit the nail on the head when you say "He was not funny". I kind of agree. I always felt - even while watching as a teenager - that there was something missing in David Groh's performances. Joe seemed out of sync emotionally with Rhoda. And the actor David Groh seemed out of his depth when it came to performing with the extraordinarily talented Valerie Harper. So much so that I felt compelled to search and try to find real time reviews of Groh's performance as Joe. While I felt the part was miscast, I was unable to dig up very much until - just today - I found revealing quotes from one of the "Rhoda" producers, Alan Burns. His thoughts about David Groh performing as Joe follow. I agree with everything Alan said. Allan Burns: "We made what I think was a bad choice in casting with Joe. He was a good actor but he didn’t have those comedy rhythms and chops he needed to keep up with Valerie. Valerie is very generous and a very nice lady. She’s pretty easy to work with. I think this was probably the first divorce in television history that was because they were comically incompatible. That was the reason for their divorce. We tried keeping him on for the whole process of the divorce instead of just cutting it off. I think it was sad to have her have to admit defeat. That the character wasn't going to work. I don't think Valerie took any joy in David Groh being let go. It hurt David deeply. It hurt her, and it hurt all of us, but she realized that it wasn't working." SOURCE: Funny You Should Ask: Oral Histories of Classic Sitcom Storytellers, by Scott Lewellen

Married not merried.

I think he told her when he offered to live together. Rhoda said she wanted to be married. If I remember it seemed like an ultimatum. That's when they got married.

@@nola06 Yes!!! She pressured him!!!!

She pressured him

@Suzanne Girard she set a standard and he told her he could live up to it. She was ready to let him go and he should have let her go if that wasn't what he wanted

You mean Marge Simpson 😂🤗♥️

I never liked the Simpsons I think Julie was slumming even though her Marge character expanded her career.I still haven't seen one full episode of the simpsons and proud of it

I can see why.

This is Carlton your doorman.

And "Brenda" did the voice for Marge Simpson.

@@tamething1 Oh yeah, that's right she does.

I guess the network didnt have enough confidence in Valerie Harper. She had a big following from her time on the Mary Tyler Moore show that they didn't need a gimic for views. If I remember correctly the wedding drew big ratings.

kgmaj I was feeling the same way. I've been watching all the MTM shows again, and then I came here. I wanted to see more of the Rhoda I fell in love with...I wanted her to stay single at least for a full season. The whole show, while delicious, seems to be all about their struggle

First of all, there was no way the writers could have known how long the show would last. Secondly, they had to differentiate the show from its parent show with Mary Tyler Moore. So having Rhoda marry in the second half of the first season was a way to do that.

If they kept her single it would of been the same as MTM

absolutely I wish I had that too!!

She pushes him, remember?

@@suzannegirard6556 right!!

And looking at houses made Joe feel more trapped.

@Athletic Amee No I'm watching in 2022

"La la la la la la la la la" you don't like that theme? Lol

happy4926 bad writers with no imagination! They were stupid created a storyline by getting her married, then couldn’t figure out creative storylines after her character got married? Never saying why Joe was so bent of leaving Rhoda (another woman, boredom, want to be single again ) something they could work on. Worst writers

I agree. Lazy writers, apparently unable to advance a storyline into the complexities of marriage, or the ways it works. That's been true of SO MANY tv shows. Or, it might be even worse than lazy writing. It seems like there's been a decades-long agenda in tv to actively destroy marriage and family. Look at the Mary Tyler Moore Show as one of many examples. The repeated message on MTM was that marriages never work. Breakup after breakup, flirtations, real and fantasized infidelity, contempt, boredom... Enough to scare you off. Also, series after series featuring single parents, or people over 30 still unmarried. It's TIRESOME.

I hated this part of the show the spoil the show it was never the same

he wasn't happy.

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That's not "full circle." That's an abruptly ending arc. Full circle is completing your marriage for life and passing the torch to your children.

It was the philosophy of the Me Generation, which destroyed Western Civilization as we knew it.

The show's ratings were dropping after Rhoda got married. Seems viewers liked the single Rhoda better than the married Rhoda. That's why the breakup with Joe came out of the blue.

I first noticed it in the early 1970s, when miserable women in marital hell decided enough was enough and bolted. Sadly, the years between I do and I'm leaving became ever shorter. Now, immaturity and choosing poorly are the biggest reasons for bailing, from my viewpoint.

True, the first and best solution today is to just give in and break your vows or promise? Why make it if you. Reak it at the first opportunity or hurdle?

Making him an asshole is the part I didn't get. It wasn't fair to any of the characters.

As opposed to them being creepy with women.

I never heard of this show before now

Marriage is not boring. What's boring is endless rounds of dates that don't work out and insta-sex that fizzles. Happy marriage requires you to abandon that boring inability to grow up, and become a lot more complex and interesting.

O look

Lena Grasso yah, he seemed unpredictably irritable. But that's to be expected if u get married and realize you don't want to be married.

Yes, that's what I thought. And he had no sense of humor. But he was sexy and Rhoda really 'wanted to be marrid (yes, I spelled it that way on purpose).' ;)

I agree..he was always bitching about something

I absolutely agree. Joe stayed mad throughout his entire run on this show. Some say the divorce was sudden, but I think it was always on it's way to this. Joe is like many straight men. Being single was still viewd as being emasculating to many men back in the 70's to say nothing of their need to have a mother in their life at all times. Women never seemed to have that issue as much in spite of their role as housewife in many marriages. Women want a partner in life more than a daddy figure.

But a very nice butt!

I heard the writers wanted to write for a single person. David Groh said he got hate mail for a long time over Joe leaving Rhoda.

There it is!!!! Pushed him!

the writers had to come up with something very dramatic to start the decline of their marriage so that David Groh could be written off...

The "jerk" was a fictional character with dialogue written by profiteers. You put too much into this nonsense.

Poor David Groh. He would talk about how, after he left the show, cabbies would call out to him on the street: "Why don't you go back to Rhoda, ya bum!"

@@gdcat777 Yes, wise guy, everyone knows a tv show is fictional (you're not enlightening anyone). But, commenting on fictional characters and their motivations is as old as the art of performance itself. If this is all "nonsense," why are you even watching the video, let alone posting your own comments?

@@chatterbox11 Oh ha bloody ha ha. Go stand in front of a mirror for God's sake.

Yes!