As a long time friend of Richard's, I think y'all need to know this is one of the most personal conversations I've heard him give online. This conversation is very much what it's like sitting around a fire in Richard's back yard over scotch and a good book. It's pretty wonderful.

I think what the guy meant about Richard being "the logical one" is Richard tends to be the one that keeps his and Pageau's conversations on course and always returns to the next step in the video. Pageau is always fighting a desire to go where the digressions want to take things. Even Richard's tone of voice is different and always comes off like teacher pacing a lecture to a student (It's actually made me wonder if it's a habit of teaching Richard developed as a parent; every parent has such a voice, just as every pastor has a "sermon voice" that they switch into).

Great video. Richard is always enlightening. I loved the history lesson of Christian denominations. It is interesting that there is a spirit of coming together at this time, after so many years of tearing apart.

So glad to see someone else representing East Texas! I’m from Tyler 😊

Paul’s reaction to Richard not knowing Jordan Hall 😂 We all live in such algorithmic silos

Lovely conversation. And yes, I actually listened to the whole thing! Richard is great to listen to.

The best thing about this one was how much paul had to laugh...its a joy to watch!

"a culture around the kitchen table" and Estuary have a lot in common.

on the Baptist discussion, Gavin Ortlund falls in the "Baptists who like creeds" category. It is interesting to hear his opinions on the Nicene Creed

I’m a woman in my early 40s, and I love this stuff. I was very blessed to attend Symbolic World, and my husband’s Christmas gift to me was a VIP ticket to see Jordan Peterson. In addition to including men and women of all ages, the audience at Symbolic World was drawn from around the world, comprised of several different races and ethnicities. The thought came to me that this is what Heaven will look like ❤

What a wholesome chat! I'll have to catch up on my Universal history now

Last year I was working on what it actually means to worship (especially from a historical perspective) since so many churches/temples/religions do it differently. What I came away with is that to worship practically means to focus intently with reverence. So, yes, going to a concert or a football game can fall into this category.

11:20 I think he meant something like, “Richard, you word things in a way that’s very easy to understand and is immediately accessible, whereas Jonathan has his own specific language that’s hard to grasp right away”

Driving past the Spring Lake exit right now as Paul is talking about his fam in Spring Lake 👌

The T Swift phenomenon is a very insightful frame for this cultural moment. Deserves more attention in TLC. What Richard mentions about the rapturous experience leaving one without memory was exactly my wife and her friends’ experience at Taylor’s concert (in Dallas, actually - and yes it was sold out 3 consecutive nights). Nothing brings about greater apologetic efforts from women in my generation (even devoted Christians) than if one questions Taylor’s prowess as an artist (to a far greater and more passionate extent than if one were to, say, question Jesus to the same Christian women). I personally know of many who have made pilgrimages to see her in different cities across the country or even flown internationally. There’s a ton more to consider here - maybe most fascinatingly the relationship between Taylor Swift the human and Taylor Swift the egregore. So much to unpack.

Hey Paul, I was a V. I. P. at the summit. I was kind of hoping you would find time, change your mind and show up. I was far from the only Protestant there, but still it would have been nice to have you. It was a blast!

I’m here and I absolutely listen to things this long. That’s what makes it good. I grew up IFB so I resonate with so much of what Richard says. Cathartic. 😊

23:36 fellow parent here - I feel this so hard Richard.

Richard Rohlin - we kinda have a tradition that if Texans do a randos conversation, you gotta start an estuary. Maybe you could get your priest to start it up at your church so you can keep doing the “guest, not host” thing? As you heard, PVK seems to have had a great experience with his church-based one and I think a hip and thriving orthodox parish would be a great spot. Plus if it has an estuary, PVK would pretty much have to visit. They’re super easy to set up

1:28:31 ..could be a korean kpop influence, which in south korea the performers are called idols and the followers are fans with an online fan club. For example: BTS, NewJeans, BlackPink and others. HYPE is the Korean company that crafts these groups.

I've never heard a Georgian toast the mother of God. First toast, if Georgians remember, is the toast to God. There are two versions of this, ღმერთს დიდება, ჩვენ მშვიდობა, Glory to God, peace between us and დიდება უპალს, ჩვენი მპარველი, Glory to God, our protector. I tend to use the first one when in the company of unfamiliar people. Quick edit, my wife said they do start Supras with a toast to the mother of God but it's rare and may be more common in certain regions.

I have never encountered such a narrow definition of universal history (I've never really listened to rohlin before)- because Jews and judaized Greeks were doing this before Augustine (who descends from which sons of Noah etc) but he has defined it in a way which seems to specifically exclude this parallel understanding of universal history in Judaism (that includes all ethnoi and is not exclusive to one or requires them to become one)

Thx guys, cool chat :)

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Someone needs to create the Paulmanac - a list of all the new key terms you need to follow what's being talked about in all these videos.

Richard and Paul, If you do get barbecue in Dallas, I want in!

@1:05:15 “and that man, was Dr Frankenstein. Documentary by Mel Brooks and Gene Wilder. Look it up.”

On Mr Rohlin's having to renunciate Calvinism point by point: when I converted to Orthodoxy as an Anglican, the priest got me to specifically renounce papal infallibility just in case I was a bit *too* Anglo-Catholic

In Chinese medicine there are 5 elements which correlate to the five primary body types and prone to similar personalities according to their body type/element.

Richard- I had to renounce reformed specific heresies at my chrismation too. Which I found a bit strange as I had never really ascribed to most of those beliefs during my time in the reformed church.

“I’d rather start AA than Apple” -PVK

I think the idea that Swift’s concerts are religious experiences goes well beyond Swift. When people go to concerts they go to experience something, to participate and integrate. These concerts go beyond mega churches because these churches often fail to get people to integrate and even participate. Most the time it is more like going to a movie than a concert, there is more entertaining. This extends to sports as well, as someone who lives in DFW, I joke often that AT&T stadium is the largest temple in the area.

"Who will sit and watch this long?" Watch, no. Listen, yes, at 2x.

Interesting commentary about ethnic heritage and having a family history. I am what can be considered an American mutt who has lost all connection with his Scandinavian heritage. Interestingly, when I joined the Lutheran Church, I have run into at least one relative unexpectedly. Now that I am married a 1st Gen. Filipina that question has become very pertinent for myself and our future children. What will their culture be? How will they see their heritage? In what ways will I be incorporated into that history? All complicated questions that I don't have the answer to. It does motivate me to learn Tagalog and help pass the torch of my Wife's heritage to our children, but also to dig deeper into my own heritage so they have something to hold on to in that way. One common thread they will have between us is the Lutheran tradition, viewed through my American mutt lens, and the ways my Wife's family adopted the tradition.

I’m not a TS fan, but I went to her show in KC. Gave out electronic bracelets. (Interesting) When she had a man on stage with a guitar as a prop I had enough and left. I won tickets, I work for GEHA.

I gotta listen to the whole conversation with my fellow east Texan.

2.5 hours? Jackpot!

2:11:00 bookmarking the baptist discussion

Paul, your shock about this fundamentalist baptist teaching shocks me. This is where I come from about a type of lite gnostic reality to parts of Baptists. They hold the secret knowledge everything else in the world is evil “No creed but the Bible”

Paul, your shock about this fundamentalist baptist teaching shocks me. This is where I come from about a type of lite gnostic reality to parts of Baptists. “No creed but the Bible” “All other history and world is evil, only we hold the truth”

43:43 I've heard Richard's natural accent. It's quite amazing. He's definitely not lying. I've tried unsuccessfully to get him to talk like that all the time. Haha.

It’s interesting that Richard mentions his former denomination’s historical revisionism in part as a reaction to the stone/campbell movement. I grew up in the Churches of Christ and heard similar things. “The Churches of Christ were founded in AD 33”. “No creed but the Bible”. All the while holding all sorts of things inherited from Christiandom and reading them into their plain understanding of the Bible. I wonder if Richard were to go back to his old denomination and pay careful, particular attention, if he could really say that it’s really the same placd he left? I’m still attached to my old tradition, but I don’t think it’s the same place I grew up anymore. Evangelical pluralism and charismatic sensibilities have run its course through it and it’s not the same fundamentalist sort of body it used to be. If it was that old dead, legalistic thing I wouldn’t still be attached to it. Though I’m sure that version survives in pockets somewhere. It’s not been my experience with the various bodies I’ve visited and participated in over the past 15 years. Most of my relatives who grew up in CoC don’t even attend a congregation of the “true church” anymore. My pastor quotes Bonhoeffer, CS Lewis, even quoted Pope Francis positively recently. I think a lot of those false histories about denominational heritage arose during a time of interdenominational conflict and competition. But we live in a different world now where those sorts of lies we told ourselves aren’t useful or able to withstand the sunlight of information at everyone’s fingertips. So I’m in this curious situation where I’m in a place where I know the reason for its creation no longer exists, where the origin story is a misinterpretation of history. Yet I feel compelled to stay because I know it’s a place where I feel loved, where I have opportunities to love, I have history with the people, I can see people are doing their best to follow Christ as best they can. I love my Church family so much. But is that enough? Sometimes it feels like it is and sometimes it doesn’t.

Well, to be honest, it was only half as long as the clock says. Good conversation and stories.

I love what he said about the Christian Race. I never heard about that concept before and I love it.

Is Richard in the corner?

Can someone explain the arm strength joke?

It's honestly a privilege to get to listen in on this. Thanks Richard and Paul.

"On KZfaq, people were all waiting for a big reveal" In Paul's case, would shaving off his beard count as a "face reveal"?

So is Paul just taking a vacation, or did he get a strike?

Conroe Texas here 😅

56:05 you can see the exact moment when it clicked in Paul’s head

I went to. Baptist school and our teacher insisted ghat we were not Protestant, we were the original thing. He didn't disavow a universal church.

18:56 Why all this promotion of Taylor Swift? That sems to be a dominant theme in TLuC at the moment.

Graham Pardun turned me on to that Appalachian psalm singing 1:13:10

I’m in the Dallas area and am having a similar journey with the history of the church. Especially since I’ve been talking with a JW at work, church history has been a great tool but maybe contrary with my current denomination.

I watched it all and im a woman fyi...

Where are the many comments that I left when this was in the Members Only section?

25:51 we need an official PVK glossary published biweekly

Oh boy crossover episode!

"Southern Baptists may not acknowledge the Nicene Creed, but you'd better say the Pledge of Allegiance" Well.... that's because they were Confederates, back in the day.

"You are not a storyteller."💯

"Aggressively beige" There's something aggressively bland, ostentatiously anonymous, about the multitude of darkish grey compact SUVs in Massachusetts.

Richard vibes

Taylor Swift is absolutely a cult. Has increasingly become so over the past few years. I know grown people, both women AND men, who possess a kind of bizarre obsession with her. And it absolutely is an obsession. They get nasty if you extend even the mildest critique of her or her music. Total insanity.

Thanks!

42:13 You honour your ancestors when you are grateful for their Christian faith and deplore their idolatry. The Renaissance tendency to admire and appropriate pagan Roman and Greek polytheistic mythology and its sensuality and immorality, combined with a mix of cabbalism, was the downfall of the papacy, which led to the fragmentation of Christendom in the reactive attempts to reform a corrupt system.

whats the story with the "chinese family members"?

32:51 GOD IS RECORDING

Shoutout to the SAHMs like me who can’t participate as much as they might want, but still love TLC!

🥹❤️

Richard: how dispensational is DTS still?

1:51:03 yup

I still haven’t gotten my Snow White book, Mr. Rohlin:(

23:11 Lutheran pastor Munther Isaac gives an account of the experiences of his fellow Christians in Palestine.

56:05 WHAT THE @#$%%^& 56:15 LOL ! : )

2:13:02 “the scarlet thread”

“Not yet” may be what Peterson has been instructed by God. Matthew 16:17, 20

Yes, Mormonism is the most American religion.

The gospel is a story of a painful, humiliating murder. The baby was shot on the way to Dairy Queen. Yet we were re-born that day. The gift was delivered. Time to go home.

I've also though about the amazing relationship between appearance and personality. It disturbed me at first as well because it seemed to suggest a kind of biological determinism, but I've come to see it as part of God's wonderful design, that the material is not random or arbitrary but is inseparable from the spiritual, giving rise to a real world peopled what we might think of as recognizable literary types.