somehow i have 10 or 20 percent surrender losses in my climb i think, and I don't ever remember hitting yes

One game we were winning 30-4, then my team surrendered "cause it's fun" guess I have to analyze my gameplay to find my fault.

​@@LaNoir.Are you not entertained?

Coaches are still people and can still be flawed and believe in myths or wild theories, even them being "good" at the game doesn't mean they actually know how to teach others or have all the right info, just like Messi might be the best football player in the world it doesn't mean that he could teach another player to be as good as he is nor it mean that he won't believe in certain things that aren't real

when you lose 5 placement on fresh everyone tells you its doomed and to get a new one

A coach needs to teach you how to play better. Just like the Tweet says. Not give you LP. If you want to rank up, hire a booster, not a coach. Really bad comment.

@@pasta5818 While this is true, it's also a more valid metric than the company itself releasing a "study" to prove that company isn't dishonest. This is like Hershey's releasing a study saying chocolate with high amounts of sugar doesn't cause health problems.

Its like that one teen who said he started smoking while being 14 on twitter,the top reply was someone telling him he is no making it past 16 years

A Karthus player half his worth will never ult because you asked him to, be realistic.

sorry im chat banned. whats that... just ping his r? oh... they got rid of team pings too

@@LoLSquid163 but why are you chat banned tho?

@@liefbreadi got chat chat banned for saying dmb fk

@@mazhermehdi8793 that's pretty tame tho

perfect comment

That's good Joly

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true -- of course they will not admit that there's a loser's queue. I've noticed so many times after having a 4-5 win streak, I get a 5-6 loss streak after that. It's to maintain the rank because if every one's winning, every one's going to rank up.

Yeah I have the same story regarding the 30 percent win-rate players when I was about to promote, happened a lot of times since I had 1600 games last season.

Ouch

Yeah I reached plat last season and got such a 35 game loss streak and ebeded silver 4

i demoted from emerald to gold in a similar way

I mean..... thats kinda of the point

That's how league is. It's a game about capitalizing on enemy mistakes. People are higher elo because they make far fewer mistakes than their lower elo counterparts. Like, sure, it sucks that you got dove by 3 people. But that outcome can be minimized by better warding, good wave management, getting enemies lower health so it's riskier to dive etc. But instead of saying, " yea I should have done that instead." It's easier to say, "follow your mid, I can't stop a 3 man tower dive."

@@Blackoutdmc actually its a jg diff😂😂

I mean that's exactly advice from T1 Faker...😆

That's exactly how you should view it. Everything has a stochastic effect on the outcome of the game. Best advice is to very critically review your games and see what you could have done different

It's like the "Totally Not" skin line "We don't have a smurf queue, what we do to prevent smurfs from playing with low rank players is to put them in the 'Totally not the smurf queue'".

Yeah XD. If they can put 5 silver smurfs against 5 silver smurfs. They can put 2 silver smurfs vs 5 sliver smurfs for 5 games and create losers q. Which would explain why your teammates consistently forget what the right click on your mouse does. Now apply the same logic to every rank, and you get a reliable method to hold people back.

Emerald Elo: biggest ego meets worst mechanics

@@puddingsimon2626 I wouldn't call it the worst mechanics, ppl in Emerald know how to play their champs (micro), but they don't know how to play the game as a whole (macro). But the ego part is certainly true

even worse in bronze, in solo q if anyone steals my kill it is doomed because then they get the gold, maybe a lead and just die due to some stupid reason, when I have a lead I basically never die, even though I also dont do enough cos I dont want to give the enemy team a huge shutdown, especially when my team is loosen

@@I3eXe It varies from person to person. Some people let their macro play carry them to higher ranks without being great at mechanics, and vice versa. Its not really a good idea to generalize an entire rank's playstyle.

​@claudeheinrich3613 in that situation try giving shutdowns to useless Champs that's what I do I play assassins so I have a lot of mobility so it might be difficult for you but I can usually end up dying to the support in plat-gold don't know how easy it would be in higher elo though. Or who knows maybe be a kda player idk which is better I'm still in low elo.

that's because it IS indeed conspiracy theory by definition. and it's the copium sniffers that are gaslighting themselves. show this theory to any statistician in academia and they will laugh your arse out of the campus, for even suggesting something that can be explained by random chance alone. you haven't even beaten the null hypothesis.

The problem is the truth and conspiracy theories are one in the same these days so the definition has been dilluded

Are you talking about normal games?

@@TheGRAclan Any.

@@Jinkaza1882 normal games barely have mmr. The matchmaking is incredibly loose because the point is to get people into a game as soon as possible and is not really relevant to this discussion.

There's a reality nobody wants to admit either. That we all have good or bad days, that we can go all out in 1 game and be exhausted and fail terribly in another. That we understand 1 matchup but not another. That we have a good team and in the next, we don't. There is so much more than just "we lose, team mates bad because I won last game".

I mean yeah, that's kinda what it used to be at least, as in both teams mmr must be close to equal, if yours is way higher than your rank, or the few divisions, you can guess who the counterbalance needs to be to make the collective team avg mmr equal within "X" division XD. Noticed the same in this season too, and for the past like 5, as in account wr goes to 75%-> division higher matchmaking-> sudden division lower matchmaking while about 2 of your team mates and indeed wondering if they should lick the forbidden ice cube, while gains stay stupid. Easiest fix to that is to swap accounts and come back to that one after a week or so, seems like the algorithm takes a while to process or forget what's going on.

Like legit, reword this so its more newbie friendly and put it in the tutorial. Hell, put it in loading screens. PLEASE

I've been asking for a full revamp of the tutorial since s6. The current one doesn't even explain what roles exist, even though you have to choose one to play normals after you finish the tutorial...

It isn't in their best interest for ppl to reach their rank, be content, and stop playing. Those players wouldn't spend money on skins. So good onboarding is of low priority, if of any

@@HighLanderPonyYT that's the stupidest thing ever. Everyone gets to the rank they deserve, it's just that most people can't accept the fact they play like a lower rank than they think they actually are

@@HighLanderPonyYT skins help you to get a higher rank or what, i dont get it

Riot obviously knew your mid would run down and put him in your game on purpose 🥱

Its easy! Just dont get 0/11 yasuo on your team!

​@@Kaygu_ They gather a lot of data, that is entirely possible, and if they wanted you to lose lp and you still won, good luck next game because they have the perfect yuumi bot to garantee that you lose, since they put you with three other players that the system knows surrender as soon as an afk appears

@@user-hf6go4se6m There no losers queue, take off your black glasses

@@yulian545 Black glasses? Really?

Lul ads, what are those?

Especially when you get autofilled on any lane who plays a completely different lane like an ADC for jungler... Unless you and your team wins hard you lose cause one player is like birck in that role...

Well it does illustrate that one player can be the difference to win and it’s not about an algorithm premaking games

@@teiten3806 yes a top level pro vs 99,8% of the population of the server its the most empty statment ever.

Point being ? It does show that a good player can win regardless of their team, invalidating the concept of loser’s queue

It’s the same both ways. They wont tell you 100% if it exist but we cant prove it exist 100% either. Imo it’s just a statistical conjecture, you need a lot of games to even out the truly unwinnable games but that’s not something everyone can do and ends up in something that resembles a losers queue. And that’s a totally different thing from elo hell, people are just making those two terms similar when they are not

y como va a tener pruebas de algo que no existe? Literalmente te puso los argumentos de porque pasa, sos demasiado boludo

​@@kivori3438 you can tell just by playing, they give you four 30% wr team mates and their team is 55%+ wr

@@Primimimimimimimi how many times? And how many times its the opposite? And how many times its balanced? In the long run it will be balanced but in the short run its flawed. Its not losers queue its simple statistic. Also even if it was losers queue (which i highly doubt cuz the statistic show it is a short term bias) we still have no 100% proof of it

@@kivori3438 nah, we do have proof, I had 1600 games last season. every time you are about to promote you get the 30 percent win rate players and the snakes that try to make everybody mass report you, plat 2 60 lp, emerald 2 60 lp, gold 2 60 lp, if every time you get to this range the first jg diff comment appears. Is there some sort of tradition that all lol players do, that I didn't know?

This

Riot straight up coming out with the most obvious lie ever? Hell nah thats never ever happened

can you prof this is a lie ?

​@@xminus5561in 2020 every time i enter a promo of a division or league, my teammates would always come from a lost game and enemies from a win. Besides promos, entering a losing streak would put you with teammates that were losing the same amount

@@xminus5561 Many players can see Riot is lying because many are addicted to the game. They are bigger authorities in the game than most riot employees will ever be. Some players play more than 8 hours in a day for an entire year. You don't think they will be able to see trends? Nerds in school represented your school in math competitions. Are you going to tell them that even though they are geniuses they are not allowed to draw conclusions on the math problem they have spent the most time in?

@@user-hf6go4se6m this is not an answer to my question. People think they can win in a Casino or don't know how chances work. I asked for a prof.

Lmao that's hilarious. I remember when those tools came out, I'd be checking the lobby mmr during pick phase

True. Muting yourself keep yours and your alies' mental in check. Chances are if your teammate is typing something usually it's shittalking or infighting, so you're better off without it. Just learn to keep track of your team's actions and you'll be set to go. As a bonus you'll learn to keep track of the map if you didn't already. Muting myself helped immesurably, enabling me to get diamond rank while almost not playing league at all

Emerald as well. I got tilted last season if I saw you pick shen . I'm tilted already and I dont even have the game anymore on my computer. glhf is like telling me that you are here to relax and not carry the game. and since i have ptsd form playing jg, i bet you would blame me for your suboptimal pick when you have an illaoi taking tower in your face, or when you ult bot and trundle took two of your turrets.

@@user-hf6go4se6m last season understandable. Shen was so bad that the community had to boycott him. He's really good now tho with the new items

@@kevinkarlimperial4717 I see, good luck on your climb then, wish I could still play but I cant buy another computer and have a separate network for the malware ( van gord) that they plan to roll out

He just trying for the 20 death power spike so he can giga carry

Honestly thats even greater mystery. Not everyone agrees that loosingq exist, but yasuo, teemo, yone, kata on your team plays 10 times worse compared to average enemy yasuo, teemo, yone, kata. Thats sounds unbeliavable on paper by any common logic, but thats literally how it feels.

@@sinner5452If this phenomenon really existed, it would be immediately identified as fucking mathematical anomaly

Yasuo can still ult the enemy team with 20 deaths and capitulate on your proper plays, so yea, it really is your fault.

Do you happen to be a Yas main?@@Relhio

The challenger coaching response was the worst one, of course a Challenger would win a Bronze game, but what about a Bronze player wanting to climb to Silver? They need to be a Challenger for that? Progression for what, ain't am I right?

the example is bad i agree, but if u are a gold lvl player u should be able to consistently carry games in silver and bronze, since u are playing against people below ur lvl. makes sense no ? im only dia, but i can stomp emerald lobbies easily. ofc ill also lose games in emerald, but i can consistently carry most games in emerald without a problem. taking the low ranks as example is also kinda bad though since the difference in skill between bronze and plat is prolly as big as the difference in skill between a low dia player like me and a master player and further a master player gets shit on by a challenger like a gold gets shit on by a diamond player. the higher u go up in rank the bigger the difference in skill gets. so its way harder for a gold to carry in silver than it is for a master to carry in dia, since the difference in skill between dia and master player is way greater than the difference of skill between gold and silver player.

@@user-tp5jm7th3n I was emerald last season. Had 1600 games last season. I believe riot has certain mechanics in place to help people go back to the rank they reached before. Gold was hard. Platinum was hard. Emerald was hard. Almost got to diamond. I had no job. I played league almost every day and watch streams on my free time. Like me there are many others. I don't think it is fair or healthy for the community to belittle their achievements. Also the game gets harder every year. A silver from last season is technically a higher skilled player the next season even if he is still silver. That's why many feel bad, since its hard to visualize their progression if the visual representation doesn't change.

@@user-hf6go4se6m i dont know if thats belitteling. people just have differen opinions on what is considered a "good" player. e.g. if u tell me u play soccer in the 3rd division in romania i wont really consider u a good player, others would.

Bug? Players are reaching now, even Vandiril won't make that claim lol.

@@cye2310 yea because vandiril makes no unsubstantiated claims. as @uberneanderthal pointed out, "it could be". it could very well be intentional, they'd definitly NOT tell us, and it could very well NOT be intentional. There is an incentive for riot to give you loses and/or wins in a row, and it isn't a super farfetched idea that they maybe do (or don't). Vandiril wouldn't report on it because if you know anything about Vandiril, whenever he posts anything, it is with footage and forms of direct proof. Without seeing something like the algorithm for matchmaking and mmr, you couldn't really proof or deny it's existence 100%.

Ive been in a bronze game with gold players on the other team

true, while trying to get out of silver multiple times if i got a to good of a streak i saw and recorded how the enemy team got higher and higher in rank from game to game to the point that i am silver 1 on a 6 game win streak and the enemy team gets borderline platinum players playing like they are on the same room, meanwhile my team gets 1 other silver if i am lucky with the rest being bronze with 0 teamwork nor objective control, like what the hell riot i know i am not good enough to win games alone like that, i have done it once or twice with a miracle mistake on their part just to get the same type of hard game or even worse the next time i play and my team gets stomped so hard they don't even bother to spam FF they just trow a heavy insult to the usual(if it's the top or mid they attack the jungle and both the adc and supp attack each other) and leave the game i don't buy the excuse of "the mmr is getting inflated because of the wins" because the LP gains/loss ratio would reflect it i but it barely moves and doesn't even get to +30 at the best case and doesn't go below -23 at worst, the matchmaking is way to on the nose that they want to drag me back to 50% WR lol and to be fair i have been on the other side of the coin from time to time, where the enemy team is just so bad for their rank that the win just feels artificial and dirty, at least is funny seeing their team implode in chat like rabid hamsters attacking each other, it's nice to be outside of that beast cage for once

I feel that. i am B4, was Autofilled ADC (Main Jungle), my Supp has been Iron 2 and enemy Botlane was premade (adc G4 and Supp B3). So much fun to play

It's prob also an anti smurf type of thing. Systems can't perfectly rate player's perfomance so they might just put "unexpectedly" good player (luck or skill whatever) against stronger (rank, wr, etc. But ideally comparable in some stats) players. As well as overall weird matchmaking shenanigans like when someone got a bad day/streak of lossess and gets into lower rank lobbies, some from lower rank are on a hot streak and get put a bit higher, some who barely play rank and their data is skewed and not that accurate, etc. Loads and loads of factors, bullshit, tilting messes up everything

They want you at 50% winrate so the matchmaking tries to give you one-sided games to bring your winrate to the desired 50% sooner or later🙂

Bro it does exist, I was top 20 Darius one time, i won 8 in a row and then i kept losing 6-7 in a row with a 10/4/7 avg kda, can't tell me it doesn't exist there

@@Artem-gg6bq bro you understood nothing from this video. you literally wasted 20 minutes of your life

The video is 13min 56sec long. How did you rounded it up by 6 minutes? Lmao@@turtumurtu3295

​@@turtumurtu3295 assuming he even watched the full thing

@@turtumurtu3295 The point of this video is that if you'd put a Challenger in, say, Silver 4 queue, he'd win most of the games. Which is an absolutely room temperature IQ take on the issue. I've done that personally, where I'd be single-handedly responsible for 80+% of kills in the game and no enemy turret or inhibitor was ever taken without my explicit permission and ultimately win by literally 1v5 pentakill'ing the enemy team under their Nexus, but, you know what... WHY I WAS IN THOSE MATCHES IN THE FIRST PLACE? Wasn't the system supposed to give me people with similar MMR, thus some semblance of similar skill level and balance? If I can so thoroughly outclass people who are supposed to be at the same level as I am, then why it can't happen the other way? Why does it happen? What's the chance that 9 out of 10 people in the same match have "a bad day"?

fr this didn't prove anything

or you just have a bad day statistically and are ranked close to what you should be. Imagine thinking that you can write a perfect algorithm to create purely balanced matchmaking that somehow accounts for the whims and oddities of 10 human beings at any given moment of the day 💀

The "loser's queue" is the issue with their matchmaking algorithm. Everyone in this conversation is arguing past one another. Loser's queue absolutely 100% exists, and whether or not it's intentional remains to be seen.

That's exactly what's going on. Loser's Queue doesn't exist, but it just feels like it does due to how the algorithm works.

I completely agree here: so many of us are careful, considerate, ward, show up to objectives... having to carry the match is NOT or should not be the defining attribute of a winning player.

it's just survivorship bias, you only remember having 5+ losing streaks, and not the 5+ winning streaks

source?

lmfao

He actually does. It would be stupid to think otherwise.

he also states that hes 6'5. i wouldnt belive anything that man said. he only says it, coz its good for business

Activision literally published an article talking about their SBMM and how it works like a week ago, they've never denied it.

@@KaiHydra Yeah, now after literally 5 fkin years. It existed since Modern warfare 2019 and they just now admitted to it. Up until recently they were denying it as well, also, they admitted only after one of their ex workers leaked it

I notice this. I play adc, have a match history full of mvp/svp, and the game 9/10 times spawns me with a csing, barely playing, feeding, randomly roaming during fights, or afk, support, or other teammates. The enemy team seems to be on point every game compared.

maybe if you can't play like a player from 2 ranks higher, you arent a player from 2 ranks higher?

@@zinfuldreams1709 i probably can for the most part but like i said its tiring to always be the main character in every game, this would be the only time my ass wants to be a side character and have an actual balanced match

@@Astroqualia this happens to me in emerald, but emerald is known for that stuff and i dont get why it has to be that way

yeah mate, make sure you clutch onto that copium of a minor occurence as if the chances of throwers on your team isn't smaller than that on the enemy's as if the chances of you being bad at the game, isn't a more likely explanation. there are 5 potential throwers on enemy's team, only 4 on yours. do the math. don't let me ruin your copium, buddy 😂😂

Yep, definitely a coincidence. Your fault buddy. Skill issue, get good noob Sarcasm

Excuses

Git gud

@@kingofdragons7 ok you try to carry a team full of random silvers and gold vs a team of premade plat and diamonds. They are just fundamentally better at the game.

It's even worse when there's people who tilt more than tilted towers and start raging at each other

@@MSusername69get better

That's how I promoted to plat. As soon as I saw that my laners wouldn't rotate for first dragon, they were dead to me. I find it funny that teammates sometimes try to make you lose on purpose, but you have so much momentum that they can't reel you back. To promote to emerald I noticed that now jg's were as fast as me around plat, but I would still get laners that would't rotate, so I became a laner/ADC and rotated for drags. Was the easiest elo I got, felt like I got carried to emerald.

@@user-hf6go4se6m your comment is the dude bro equivalent of just lift bro. You cant carry most games if 3 players int

@@optamis1989 You are right. I believe the game is rigged even if my comment didn't sound like it. My promotion to emerald was very unnatural. Felt like Riot thought I had enough games and put me in a massive winners q. I've been seeing a lot of comments saying they experienced the 30 percent win rate players when they were about to promote, just like me.

Yeah! I've seen people like alois and sinerias struggling some emerald games due to the disparity of skill levels, emerald is such a failure of a rank

They are definitely disregarding high elo in this shown post, with statements such as "if a challenge player were in your place, he would have won the game". He just somehow assumes that only iron players are complaining about losers queue, because "dia+ players couldnt possibly complain about our terrible matchmaking". What if its challenger matches, RIOT, what then huh? "Faker wouldve won the game if he were in your place"? XD

​@@itachi4761 I mean it was the same shit before emerald, it was just called Diamond 5. There's nothing they can do about that transition, it's a natural mentality and skill barrier. Like he said in the video, you are the only common factor in your games. If you are good enough, you will eventually get there.

but how is it that in order to win eg. a bronze game you have to be better than bronze level, eg gold because that means only Smurfs can consistently win and for people at the actual rank it is a coin flip until they are lucky and climb up higher enough times to play against better ppl and improve or somehow learn macro even though macro in low elo is scuffed. In all guides it says you only need mechanics to get to silver but how are people like me and my duo who basically always do well (60% win rate) still stuck in bronze/low silver@@avendurree

@@xyriliawhitestrake7263 I cant talk about how it was before emerald like you said about previous Diamond 5 because i wasnt good enough to reach that far back then. But that's just one division, 100LP to grind through. The entirety of Emerald is 500LP with usually HUGE difference in skill between teams. I agree with you that it's a natural mentality and skill barrier but keeping your mental up and grinding through 100LP is way easier than 500LP when you're struggling :D

I had a Master friend make a smurf account to carry me out of SIlver, SILVER! After around 30 games he straight up gave up and said "the teams you get are uncarriable, what the fuck is wrong with your account man, just make a new one" I won't make a new one, got 12 years worth of exclusive cool shit on this lol.

@@tennolife9930 if he muted all and only focused on playing the game, it is very unlikely that he wouldn't be able to climb. My guess is he got caught up in chatting with them or at the very least was reading it (and probably pings too) and lost focus. The idea of making a new account because you lose games is also dumb. Don't get me wrong, naturally you will get terrible teammates, especially in this elo (and he was probably not used to having that bad teammates, which can definitely affect his gameplay), but so are the enemy. If you're a master player, there s just no way you can't climb

@@anhuro8558 I'm not master, he is, and he made the account to help me get out of silver, and he gave up. Also you're saying he isn't used to bad teammates, and am I? You think I like it when I win my lane 90% of time and lose game because even if I am 10/1, I can't do much against enemy mid who is also 10/1 and a 15/2 ADC as well, you just can't carry those.

yes, git gud, skill issue, cope

@@ligilokranz6556 With your answer, I can't stop wondering who needs to cope with something...

I understand this here. Nothing is wrong with losing but losing when players can't manage their lanes, feed, troll, bad attitude I mean what am I to do I can carry a full team when the enemy team is steam rolling 3 lanes. But of course pple gonna say your bad and get good. It is what it is

everyone gets teams that throw the game, difference is some people are high elo and get troll teams, and some are low elo and get troll teams, if the game is unfair then get good at playing the unfair game like the players ranked higher do. There is no one with permanent winnersQ or losersQ. It is literally skill issue not saying you are bad, but you have to do better.

Having to do lots of games to even out the unwinnable ones to the stomps isnt the proof of a losers queue. More of a proof of a flawed ranking system

ah yes, my 10 to 30min normal queue wasn't enough, lets add honor macthing to it !

@@moruemourue9692why is your wait time 30 min? bro just be normal and play at a normal skill level and your queues will be like 3 min anytime of fay

So you want a full support mains match? Cuz only the support gets honor votes. People would rather not honor a teammate than admit that someone on their team did something good.

i mean...if losers queue exists, then half of the playerbase is having a great time in winners queue lol and elo hell doesn't exist for just as many people as those who do complain and cry. you can't have a winner without a loser and vice versa. Only difference is, you may feel entitled to be the winner, which is human nature, even much more so whenever anything remotely competitive gets involved.

@@magical571 nothing about what I commented is complaining or whining. But if there is a large statistical variance of getting significantly worse players on one team it's interesting to say the least.

@@magical571 it may be too complex for your brain so I'll make it simpler. If 2 out of 5 players are good and 4 out of 5 players are good on another team, the team with 4 good player win.

@@optamis1989 reread his comment captain thin skin

@@sgtpatton lol, I understand it just fine

You're not wrong tho. I just quit for many reasons, and mental exhaustion is one of them. In the end it's just a game, games are supposed to be fun. I'm with you there.

THIS ONE! THIS IS THE COMMENT! I play like plat (proved by my plat in flex rn) in bronze solo and that doesnnt even work

Facts.

That's just people saying that you need to learn and improve, there's very few people reaching high elo on talent alone

You also shouldnt play against smurfs, when you're climbing in low elo, where is the logic in that one? Like, "just dont die, play better against a smurf bro"? XDDDD Also, I wonder how would they apply that statement to challenger streamers who believe losers queue exists. "Another challenger wouldve won that game"??? lmao

The interesting thing is; there have been a lot of instances where a challenger level player goes down into the depth of true shitlow to demonstrate how to perform well with bad teammates, and often times when they get one of those horrific games they end up losing the game with a nuts scoreline. While it is true that pretty much everyone is bad at correctly assessing an unwinnable game, they do actually exist.

that's what I was thinking, and they probably already promoted the HR people with business degrees into the IT roles, so you can even be more skeptical

0/13 ? Casuals, my bot goes 3/24

@@FNXMARIAN your bot gets kills? Must be their good day

It's impressive. I doubt anyone would die that many times in that time while playing like a bot. It's like they're actively throwing their lives away to feed that hard.

@@HighLanderPonyYT The issue is, on bot lane in iron through gold people actively throw the game if they die once in first 5 mins, taking things for granted and then you're left with a fed kai'sa that melts your hp even if you've gotten to enemy inhib

@@phantom1a2 plat and emerald is the same

It's very likely to happen if your mmr is increasing at a rapid pace. You get matched with people worse than you, against enemies better than your team, and if you continue to perform well, your mmr will continue to climb rapidly. If you lose, it does not increase at such a fast pace. Sometimes, you are the weaker end of your team, and the reason your team looks like they are trolling is because matchmaking expected them to carry and by performing poorly they look like they're just another feeder. For this to happen to the same person over an extended period of time is incredibly unlikely on a natural account that does not have an inflated mmr.

And no matter how fed I, an adc, is and how many items I have, there ALWAYS is some Trundle/Rengar/Yasuo and etc. who don't give a single fck about my kda, kiting skills or OP items in my inventory - they got their one item power spike after double killing my solo lane teammate and his premade jungler 🎉

Roam, ward, ping, play well mechanically in skirmishes and fights. "Chilling in bot lane" does nothing. I'm a support main and I climbed to Master with support. And it doesn't matter if you play Zyra or Milio or Braum, you can influence the game a ton outside of your lane. Not always and certainly less than other roles but it is possible. Also, this is not Riot's take. It's Phroxzon's take. There is no official Riot statement on the matter and Necrit is kinda dumb calling it a "debunk" since nothing definitive was proven. You need to see the code to know for sure. But as far as experiment go, this is pretty much debunked. There is no loser's queue almost certainly. And when it comes to climbing, you don't need to win every match. So as a support, you'll lose plenty of unwinnable games. But you can also be the reason your team loses a perfectly easy winnable game or be the hero that wins an extremely hard match with a clutch play or ward or ping or smart itemization. Support, according to Riot August is the least influential role BUT it is mostly about being the less bad support. The worse support loses more than any other role. Based on MMR, better supports don't win more than other roles but worse supports lose more. So as long as you play a lot and play well, you'll climb as support. Just because it seems impossible doesn't mean it is. I saved games as Lulu, as Blitz and as Nami. I solo carried plenty as Zyra. I changed the course of a terrible match with a good W and R on Renata. I can't always save the match. I have replays on KZfaq where I literally have a troll teammate in low Master that simply decides to not only not play and feed but take resources from other teammates. It happens. But it's so rare. If you all play to win, you will have plenty of influence, especially if you are fed with you bot. Type "protect Twitch" and you might influence your Trindle Top to use R on the Malphite that Ult him so you can melt him, get a Triumph proc and destroy the enemy team. Will that happen? Probably not. But it could. And in the games that it does happen, is when you make those gains and climb. You don't climb by winning easy matches. You climb by playing consistently better than the opponent and changing the odds.

S13 split2, 80 games, 59%, e4 from s2. S14 split1, above 100 games, 44% wr, g2 from p1 and a 15x lose streak. Riot match making? @@SiMeGamer

I agreed. One thing a support could do is roam even if it seems to look like a losing game. It rough if the game is just beginning and all of top and mid is already down 3 deaths. If they stop fighting and stand back a bit, it works quite well but if they keeps on just fighting and fighting and feeds, it will be more rough. But a good start is roaming between mid and bot. Staying with adc is a must but for example, if your adc backed and you don't need to go back, don't just stand around bot lane, try to go mid or even just wards in between mid and bot river. And if you accomplish nothing while roaming to mid, it's no big deal because you wards those bushes and gives visions for your teammates. And some games are just impossible if both of top and mid feeds the hell out of their laners and the jungler seems to be lost in the jungle. Sometimes it's good to accept defeat but don't say anything negative, play out the game and do your best. Don't let the game or people within the game dwells in your head and ruined your mood for the next game. It's just not worth a headaches. Keeps the positive mindset and you'll win more often and lose a bit but don't get discourage.

Positive or negative mind set. Who cares, its lose anyway.@@hsa362

Support can feel really shitty when you're not playing a glass cannon hypercarry support like Zyra or Lux and your team isn't carrying itself.

"Just dont die, ez challenger"

You were not responsible for 2 losses. You were responsible for all of them. This is Silver. The game isn't that sophisticated and you made, mostly likely, over a thousand mistakes in that losing streak. The fact that you are playing for the rank rather than to improve is the fundamental problem. You went in to get Gold instead of getting better which would get out that Gold. Perhaps it's not the rank you seek but the skin reward. Well, then don't expect anything. The skin is there to reward a certain level of skill or dedication to playing ranked (in Silver and below). I'd recommend shifting your approach. The fact you stop playing after a loss is great, mainly for the fact you play in short focused bursts. It's usually better to play 2-3 matches regardless (because strong focus lasts for about 2 hours for us humans) but regardless it's a good step in the right direction. Taking ranked seriously and trying to play AND LEARNING! is imperative to climbing. League is a logarithmic skilled game. Getting better at CSing by 0.5 per minute on average is like getting better by 100% skill in CSing. You die to one less gank on average per match, is a huge improvement in laning and jungle tracking. It's only a tiny number but in League it's all that matters. Landing an extra skillshot and farming an extra minion can change the course of a match. And when you play hundreds or thousands of matches over years, it adds up. Challenger players don't farm 10 CS per minute and never die to ganks. They just do these things a lot more consistently among other skills. They can anticipate things because other stuff is automated. While you have to focus 90% of your brain power to farm under tower, they only need 10% and the rest is dedicated to analyzing the game state. With this 10% they not only got all 6 minions while you got 4. They also now know the enemy roamed and it gives them a window to reset and come back on the map stronger for the objective that's coming up in 50 seconds. There are so many tiny things in the game that matter, but until you learn that, you would never understand. I analyze my own games and make notes and both in wins and losses I can find at minimum 2-3 game losing mistakes and dozens of smaller optimizations I could make to clicking, skill usage, camera movement, etc. There is no loser's queue. There are just losers with a sht mentality. Play ranked to improve. Not for a shiny border or a skin. Those come as a consequence of proven skill. Give higher ranked players new accounts or old "broken" accounts and they will get back to their rank very quickly. The system is good. All you have to do is queue the fk up and take it seriously. And if you don't believe me, well, prove the opposite. After every ranked match, do an analysis of your team and the enemy team. See who is autofilled, on a losing streak, a genuine trolls account, a Smurf, etc. After 100 matches, see if you results are statistically more significant than a fking coin flip. (If you do this experiment I recommend playing seriously and I promise you will climb at the same time - you'll both find that there is no loser's queue and that climbing is easy if you focus on improvement and playing well). Good luck.

I have 55% win rate and on my main 60% but I still dont climb or even demote cos I get +23 and -35 lp. Is so annoying

​@@SiMeGamer preach

some games u cant win, even challengers say that. the point is that if u consistently play perfectly u will climb no matter what. u will have these games u cant carry. even faker has them, but he will def win more of them, than lose and sometimes he will even carry the "unwinnable" games. hell i can remember a game in season5 i played. it was my diamond promotion series and we literally won 3v5. my jgl and adc went afk at min 13 and i managed to win as gp with a ziggs and sona.

Yeah somehow I have an exact 50% winrate with 500+ games No way it is not rigged

@@musicaltarrasque what? Forced wr isnt a thing at all but the more games you play the closer to 50% you will probably be because you probably get to the rank you deserve and then win about 50% of your games. Thats just how like any normal system would work and why, if you play a lot of games, a 52% wr is good because it indicates you are climbing over time. People with over 60% winrates are usually smurfing or habitually swap accounts because they do stuff to manipulate mmr to get good lp gains/losses and try to streak to a new peak instead of grinding an account. The fact is that you are probably at the rank you deserve and your win rate reflects that.

WRONG. Keep believing that.@@trendymirror

@@trendymirror The thing is . . . This is in unrated Which is not supposed to have mmr

@@marcr7230 ok so you keep believing that you deserve an insane wr when you don't. I am sure you will improve at the game with that mindset. You literally handicap your chances of improvement because you feel like it is rigged without evidence.

copium

*logic@@felpudini

@@HighLanderPonyYT oh yes im losing cause of riot not my fault, you are right

@@felpudini oh right yea i forgot my feeding jungler inting all game because he wants to troll is my fault or when peopel go afk for 5th game in a row but isnt banned is also my fault i guess the solution is to not play therefore i cnt be at fault for my team doing nothing

Does anyone noticed that almost in every match this poor Kindred had EVERY LANE countered to death? Just look when he was filled as ADC Tristana vs. Yasuo and Teemo... He literally can only walk around them unable even to land an auto attack because of never lasting Wind Wall and Teemo's Blind Dart.

Exactly.

Maybe you aren't putting enough pressure in your own lane? If you're so good, why don't you roll dps?

you are asking to prove a negative, what evidence should they use to prove that something isn't there?

@aylanamikio5912, I don't think the problem is imaginary. Many players consistently experience winning and losing streaks. This recurring pattern indicates a potential flaw in the ranked system. To demonstrate the existence of a "losers queue," we need to analyze a large dataset of player match histories. By examining how often streaks occur, whether they're wins or losses, we can uncover underlying issues. It's disappointing that Phrozon overlooked this crucial aspect, given the abundance of available league statistics.

@@Jack-kf1tn if it truly is fair, then you are BOUND to have streaks. i don't know how well versed you are in statistics, but what necrit explained about losing or winning 7 games in a row is correct. a 50/50 chance doesn't at all mean you'll win one match then lose another right after and so on.

@magical571, I'm fully aware of this reality. However, it's worth noting that the frequency of streaks might be higher than expected. In a truly random system, streaks would occur sporadically, without any artificial influence such as MMR. Herein lies the crux of the matter: MMR can lead to players winning an excessive number of matches, some of which they shouldn't, and vice versa. A completely random system, where the likelihood of winning or losing each match is equal, would mitigate the issue of streaking significantly. I don't see that the current system gives any player "fair" odds. Its either you are definitely more likely to win, or you are more likely to lose. It's rare to see the in between which is what I would like to see more of.

@@Jack-kf1tn So you want to have a "truly random independant" distribution with 10 HUMAN behind the keyboard ? Maybe loosing make some people tilt and they play worse, which brings in more loose? Maybe they discovered an OP meta champion and build and win more ? Maybe the statistical distribution is already correct and you are fixating on some"bad" streaks instead of seeing the big picture ?

and they lie about how small of a problem smurfing is in league but of course they wont tell us that because if they did that then people wouldnt play the game and they need everyone with 50 alt accounts to keep playing

And there are games, where the worst enemy players got carried by 1 people. Who cares, if 3 from 5 played well in your team, and enemy have 2 dogshits. Somehow a 2/1 dia 1 hitted 3 people, got fed, and we couldnt do anything with it. Those 2 dogshit didnt deserved that win, and we deserved it. And than what about that 1 diana?

The same amount of times people pretend it exists I imagine.

Probably the same amount of times the community insists on it being real and ignoring the actual creators of the game

That's what muting is for. Everyone should mute to prevent griefing/tilting.

​@@khalicocatmuting someone won't prevent them from running it down though

Yeah sadly Necrit is hard on Riot side And all of the salt was in this videos shown tbh In practical sense losers queue exist no matter how much u want to deny it, the precentages of the game cant be good for you all the time

Getting judged on a per-team basis in a game where individual performance matters a lot is a cursed concept from the start. "Oh you did really well but your team lost so I guess screw you."

Map objectives?

You mean that thing that 99% of teammates ignore in favor of ARAMing on SR? Yeah ok. @@darktemplar8140

I think I have more than 7000, and I say it does exist as well.

BUT, that never happens!

Autofill itself is only meant. To balance win rates.

@@nyfol9142 It can. There are games you cannot carry, because you get bad teammates and you are not on a skill level to turn such games. Bad luck will Happen, just like good luck. But it will only boost or drag 1-2 tiers at best.

Yeah my last match had the enemy lux go 1/15/8 and was unranked lvl 30 account (now ranked bronze 1) in like high silver low gold. That and sometimes matchmaking will give one team all the higher ranks with the other time having a fucking iron and I don't get how or why it happens.

@@sticksstickerson the game also puts new players in Plat and Emerald for some reason.