How to Make Breadboard Ends

How to Make Breadboard Ends - (THAT WORKS !)

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3 жыл бұрын

How To Make Breadboard Ends. In this video Rob Cosman shows you his method for making breadboard ends that prevent a large tabletop from cupping. He demonstrates two methods of attaching the breadboard end.
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@darkseidjoe 6 ай бұрын

How does this not have a billion views yet worth the woodworker community? Great job with the breadboard look on this, FANTASTIC!

@quirkygreece 9 ай бұрын

I just want to say this . . . Rob is a very fussy man. He is fussy about his measuring, fussy about his tools being sharp, fussy about sneaking up on cuts and he takes his time . . . you get the idea - he’s a very fussy guy. I used to work on site, where accuracy is less important and speed is everything, so my work was ok, but I wouldn’t attempt furniture. But since watching this channel I have become more fussy about my tools, my cuts, my measuring, my marking and I take my time to sneak up on everything. My woodworking has improved a couple of high levels and is much more enjoyable . . . so, a big THANK YOU to Rob Cosman.

@3nailskw 3 жыл бұрын

I got an unexpected call from Rob today. He called just to say thank you for purchasing from his site. Not only is he a master at what he does, he more than anything is a class act. In the age we live in , he is also a cut above the rest when it comes to character. Much respect Rob..

@Jeremy_810 3 жыл бұрын

@name user never once has that occurred to me. Having decades of experience in my own field, I've learned what works and does not. Passing that knowledge along is not arrogance, it is teaching. There's a right way and a wrong way of doing things. He does his best to explain why something should be done a certain way. Sounds like your issues with him are a maturity issue.

@tabhorian 3 жыл бұрын

@name user I guess you don't "...like his style of teaching". C'est la vie.

@billcoley8520 3 жыл бұрын

I love watching his videos. I’ve seen a grown man ( ROB )cry when he talks about the veterans that his cause is able to help. As far as cocky, I guess if you didn’t watch but 1 or 2 videos he could come off as cocky. I am what you would definitely call cocky until you get to know me. I was a lineman for a power company and I’ve been told several times that I am as good as a lineman comes. I loved teaching apprentice lineman. So I can relate to Rob when he is teaching. The guy that said Rob is cocky, I would say this. Watch his videos and select what you think is good advice and forget the rest.

@befmx31 3 жыл бұрын

James, I bought a shirt from his site once and he did the same thing. I too was very surprised and very impressed.

@bigkiv47 3 жыл бұрын

@name user and this is all you got from the 2 minutes you watched .... you didn't get an insight as to how something is done...properly. You didn't gain some knowledge that you didn't have before... all you got was that he could be arrogant... I suppose that perception comes from the fact he probably knows what he is talking about and sometimes having this knowledge comes off at being arrogant. I met Buzz Aldrin when I was in the Air Force on a visit to NASA and he came across as being a bit arrogant but damn I would never say that out loud as the man just knew shit we mere mortals have no clue about

@bobtaiy2910 2 жыл бұрын

Nice Wood worker and you have experience working

@kiwdwks Жыл бұрын

Always appreciate your videos...thank you Rob!

@1b1uster 3 жыл бұрын

A page right out of the Norm Abram playbook. I watched an episode of “The New Yankee Workshop” years ago which demonstrated these methods. Nicely done!

@bentramo312 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing wood worker! Such attention to detail and precision. Thank you so very much for the opportunity to watch you work and learn this wonderful craft.

@dominicdiclemente8877 3 жыл бұрын

Rob you are the Bob Ross of woodworking.

@robdembski5648 3 жыл бұрын

Rob Boss. :)

@hossenfeffer8383 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I found this to be very clear. I appreciate your play-by-play commentary as it helps me understand your thought process as you make your adjustments. Much appreciated. Your channel has been of untold value to so many woodworkers.

@bobhargesheimer3514 3 жыл бұрын

Your timing is impeccable.......Just about to embark breadboard ends for a chest I'm building. Thanks

@J.A.Smith2397 3 жыл бұрын

Always pick up something watching rob!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Thnaks for watching

@MultiWarrior63 3 жыл бұрын

Seen this done a few ways, this has to be two of the best. Thanks Rob

@RandomDoive 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rob, I really appreciate the detail and patience you put into explaining all of that.

@dennissouba1432 3 жыл бұрын

Nice job at explaining the process.

@davidcampbell2845 3 жыл бұрын

Dependably excellent demonstration and knowledge transfer.

@allen131313 3 жыл бұрын

During the cutting of the tenon on the table saw, I couldn't help but think that it would be easier and quicker to use a rabbet plane. Rob, thank you for posting this and all of your other videos!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

A rabbet plane would work

@glumberty1 3 жыл бұрын

Or a router.

@georgeclam1756 3 жыл бұрын

Or just use the mortiser the length of it? Looked scary! Rob is so much better than me though. He can do whatever he wants.

@michaelmaturani115 10 ай бұрын

Nice video. Another option would be a tapered dovetail , makes assembly much easier.

@garyhome7101 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for demonstrating this technique! I'll try it on my next table project. I've done two Sapele tables with breadboard ends. Both were 27" wide and I used several pieces glued together to get the width instead of a solid panel. After glue up, I grooved both the ends and the breadboards, but did so on a shaper table, and cut all the way out of the table ends. I added 3 separate solid splines into the table end and glued in from the middle about 6" to either side of center on the table side only. I left ~ 1 1/2" on both ends to allow for expansion, and glued a 3/4" cap into the groove on each side using a contrasting wood. So far this has worked well and I haven't noticed any distortion.

@gianlucamarciano3695 3 жыл бұрын

As always it's a pleasure watch you in working wood, the footage is nice too.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

@tabhorian 3 жыл бұрын

Next to my desk is an old drafting board from when I was in junior high school to college. 24 x 20". Solid fine grain - might be birch. It's a hand-me-down from my older brothers before me, so it might be from the late 50s, early 60s. The ends are not closed like this. And there are no pegs either. In my whole life, I have never seen gaps or binding. But today (dryer than summer), the breadboard is a little longer than needed, so it is doing it's job. I suspect that there is a little glue in the center, and possibly your gap/clamp technique. There is nothing new under the sun, but thanks for passing this along, otherwise I would not have known about it.

@jackpinnell3204 2 жыл бұрын

GREAT video!!! For the life of me I can't figure out how ANYONE could give this a thumbs down.....? Really?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 жыл бұрын

The world is full of sour people looking for friends. Unfortunately their calling card is the same sour message that they gravitate towards.

@joearbuckle817 2 жыл бұрын

And another great how-to video. Personally, I like putting down masking tape when pencil marking a board. I have trouble removing pencil marks and will usually find at least one when putting on the last finishing coat. Using tape is more time consuming but it works better for me.

@exogencontainment 3 жыл бұрын

It's literally a sin that you don't have millions of subs!

@simoncrooks7441 3 жыл бұрын

thanks, very intresting

@guyboucher9727 Ай бұрын

Hi Rob. I have watched a lot of your excellent videos and I have learned a lot from you, thank you! I have a question on breadboard ends. I am building a desk that calls for a breadboard at one end and I am wondering if I could pin the front tenon instead of the middle one to allow for wood movement at the back only. Would this work? Thank you very much for taking the time to read my question.

@dpmeyer4867 3 жыл бұрын

thanks

@igor-zb9vd 3 жыл бұрын

audio missing on the very last scene, just for info. nice video

@douglasjones6248 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice work. Do not see many KZfaq folks using spring joints. I really thought you were going to show a draw bore pin. Still a great job.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Draw bore is a bit overrated in my opinion especially in soft wood. In this application a clamp does the job better.

@woodysranch2690 3 жыл бұрын

I don't consider myself a superb woodworker, but I made a kitchen table with draw leaf extensions using lacewood as a 3 inch border and oak for the center panels on both the center and extensions. I used sliding dovetail on the ends. It looks great, and much simpler to construct. I made the table over 30 years ago - before the advent of KZfaq to guide me. KZfaq supposedly makes everyone an expert in any subject.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Great tip!

@woodysranch2690 3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking BTW, with my table the wood expansion was clearly evident since the "bread board ends" as you call them are exposed. The tips of the ends protruded about 1/4 inch each side at one point and I had to trim them to make it look right. Now that the wood has stabilized, the expansion rates are much less and not so noticeable.

@michaelprice9049 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the wonderful video. Roy Underhill would be sad you didn't make any 3 Tenor jokes though. . .

@dro8528 3 жыл бұрын

I am building a large slab table in 'Ricky's' woodshop. I am using in-laid c-channels to prevent cupping.

@user-cd8qv3zm9i 3 жыл бұрын

thanx, master!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

@aljones4719 3 жыл бұрын

A 'mullet' could have been used for resetting the fence for the tongue and for fitting the clamp. Also, interestingly, back in the 1960s we used have a word for the breadboard end. It was called a 'clamp' a cramp was used for cramping work but a clamp was used to stabalise the end of a board. A board of course was used as a table. Note the term bed and board. Other subtelties of language have been or are in the process of being lost. eg rule and ruler. I find your presentations very interesting and enjoyable. Keep up the good work, quality takes effort.

@leehaelters6182 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the terminology, always like to pick it up when I can! However, I think the Mullet, aka by many other names including my favorite, “Kentucky Mudflap”, has outlived its usefulness, except in certain pockets of the USA and Canada.

@aljones4719 3 жыл бұрын

I agree about the loss of meaning. A pitty for me as an old man, but that's life. Alan@@leehaelters6182

@leehaelters6182 3 жыл бұрын

@@aljones4719 Alan, do you wear a Mullet? I was making a joke about a hairstyle on this side of the Atlantic! But you are talking about a short piece of stock with a sample groove in it, for fitting the tongue, yes?

@aljones4719 3 жыл бұрын

Bald as a Coot.@@leehaelters6182

@leehaelters6182 3 жыл бұрын

@@aljones4719, hah!

@stuartjones7903 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video Mr Cosman , why didnt you use draw bore holes to bring the board in tight ,just curious ?

@richardweiler1552 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome video as usual Mr. Cosman, would a shoulder plane work to adjust the tenon's fit?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, absolutely

@ppower4104 2 жыл бұрын

I almost lost a finger doing that pocket cut when the wood kicked out, my hand went right down into the blade. I always use a router now.

@evilwoodchuck 3 жыл бұрын

Any reason not to drawbore the pin in the center of the breadboard end? I think that would get rid of that springback

@joschmoyo4532 2 жыл бұрын

The real reason the old makers did bread board ends was to resist glue line's splitting at the ends. This is caused by the end grain loosing moisture quicker at the ends of the jointed boards thus shrinkage is greater and stresses the glue line to failure. It's a pain. Breadboard ends will not stop cupping or bowing though, except at the very ends. Soaking the ends of the board with oil finish helps, especially if you follow up with pure beeswax. I only do bread board ends for music desks. But essentially it's a frame and panel construction.

@charlesfoleysr6610 3 жыл бұрын

Do you wax or dry lub the drill in the mortiser so it doesn't heat up from friction in the chisel?

@UTBanjo Жыл бұрын

Why not draw bore the dowel on the single jointed side, so the joint closes mechanically?

@joeolejar 3 жыл бұрын

My grandfather would use a dovetail at the breadboard end to prevent cupping. I wish I had his dovetail plane.

@michaelshick4612 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob, what type of wood did you use for your router base. Hard wood or soft or do you think it makes any difference. Thanks for all you family do.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

torrified maple, doesnt move.

@befmx31 3 жыл бұрын

Rob, I have a friend that doesn't have a lot of tools and he is thinking about trying to make a table with breadboard ends. I asked how he was planning on building it. Said he was going to use 2x10 pine and pocket hole everything together. We got to talking about wood movement. I don't have a lot of experience with this stuff either so I couldn't tell him what exactly was going to happen with the ends pocket holed to the table. I thought I would ask you. Even if he allowed for movement within the mortise (a shade longer than the tennon) What should he expect to happen if the ends are put on with pocket holes? What kind of failure might he see? Also, if anyone else can answer this question please feel free. Thanks.

@hsr314rock8 Жыл бұрын

My tabletop is 6 feet long. Do you move your table saw outside?

@jadadahut3654 3 жыл бұрын

Hey rob i was planning on doing haunched tenons and using drawboring to pull the bread board tight how do you feel about this method? I’d oval out the outside dowel holes and only glue the center tongue to allow for movement any tips or advice?

@skwalka6372 Жыл бұрын

The haunched tenons and drawbores are structurally a superior approach, allowing you to have a larger portion of the solid breadboard cross-section engaged in resisting the panel cupping.

@lawrencedeleurere4427 3 жыл бұрын

For the three dowel attachment method, could you use a drawbore tenon (with elongated holes of course) for the outer pins or would the friction impede the wood movement too much?

@stefankarpuzov 3 жыл бұрын

I was going to ask this question about the center pin instead for both cases, where the draw-bore will pull it tight. I can see the outer pins misbehaving with wood movement but not the middle one.

@JamesWilliams-en3os 3 жыл бұрын

@@stefankarpuzov that was/is my thinking as well. If that subtle radius cut into the end ends up being not so subtle and you need to really pull it together, you might use a draw bore tenon to fix it. It shouldn’t be necessary for the 2 end dowels because of the tension we put in the wood by cutting that radius.

@vincentfaure4472 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this job sir. Please, may I ask you what methods would you use to make these large mortise and tenon with hand tools. Vincent, from France.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

skew block plane or a shoulder plane. Marked first with a mortise or marking gauge then work to the line.

@vincentfaure4472 3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thank you very much.

@matthewitt2276 3 жыл бұрын

Rob, you need a bigger table saw fence!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe

@leehaelters6182 3 жыл бұрын

I am thinking that this is a tongue-in-cheek reaction to what seems a definitely quite large fence.

@matthewitt2276 3 жыл бұрын

@@leehaelters6182 Yes

@jeffa847 2 жыл бұрын

I'm new to woodworking. Why would you not make the groove in the end board with a router or on a router table? With the right bit wouldn't that make it so you wouldn't have to do any of the chisel work?

@jamalama5548 3 жыл бұрын

Rob, just curious why you chose a router plane to take material off the tenon sides rather than a rabbet plane. Thanks!

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Accuracy, a rabbetting plane would lack that element.

@salsclafani7902 3 жыл бұрын

Question why would you not use a shoulder plane to dial in the tung ?

@mickeyjohnson3758 3 жыл бұрын

Rob, is the bread board typically the same width as the top or little wider?

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

depends on the season, dry season, end will be longer the board is wide, wet season, end board will be shorter.

@billcoley8520 3 жыл бұрын

How did you get the board as wide as it is without cupping to begin with? I’m guessing you glued pieces together.

@mmccorm11 3 жыл бұрын

So why use the tablesaw as opposed to the router for the stopped groove? Just better at cutting in a straight line? Great auxiliary fence by the way!

@dominicdiclemente8877 3 жыл бұрын

Kind of surprised he did use a skew rabbit plane :)

@g1mpster 3 жыл бұрын

I'm curious why you didn't drawbore the dowel pins? That's how I've always seen it done before. It seems that it would have been a perfect place to use with the "reverse caul" shape of the breadboard ends (I really like that detail).

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Drawbore easily tears the wood especially in softwood. Too much force in a very small area.

@nickyork8901 3 жыл бұрын

I had the same thought as you, drawbore is definitely a good way to go, and you can adjust the amount of force by the amount of offset. I also wouldn't feel comfortable to cut the stopped groove on the tablesaw like that, unless I want to risk losing a finger (I don't have a Sawstop though, being UK based, and he does). Rob is the expert, so I am sure there is a good reason for his choice, but this video shows doing it with a router if anyone wants an alternative. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b-CEZKagrODSYps.html

@zaredshawver9496 3 жыл бұрын

Why do you choose to just use the tongue vs. a tongue with tenons? I've seen many other folks use the tongue & tenon method. Extra work for little payoff?

@FranksWorkbench 3 жыл бұрын

I'm not Rob but that would be the method when using only hand tools. Run a groove, then deepen a few sections of that groove by chopping a mortise to accept the tenons. This way you wouldn't have to chop a deep mortise/groove all the way across the board.

@billcoley8520 3 жыл бұрын

Why do you have such a wide fence?

@jamesguerrieri949 3 жыл бұрын

Draw boarding the center dowel would have eliminated the spring back. Great video though.

@weldabar 3 жыл бұрын

I'm disappointed, no wedged M&T. lol. But seriously, is that something that is done in place of a center pin?

@jimwatts4254 3 жыл бұрын

I would use a plough plane, safer and quicker

@setdown2 3 жыл бұрын

Would a draw peg work in the center to insure a tight fit.?? Your end result was very nice but seems like a lot of moves...no...stay safe up there...And don't Bogart the maple syrup ...😁

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

Not in soft wood like the white pine I was using. The clamp does the same job only better and ultimately neater. The glue and dowel will hold it.

@PB8man 5 ай бұрын

I literally almost shit myself when you help onto that board with your hands when you ripped the groove. I like my fingers too much for that shit. As a kid, dad told me never to put my fingers anywhere I wouldn't put my pecker.

@jmk7104 5 ай бұрын

Dude ur watching a true craftsman from your couch, sit down and be humble. U should hope to have a quarter of his expertise. And it’s a sawstop

@ilkero1067 3 жыл бұрын

Anybody else seeing extensive glitching on the screws on the saw fence? It’s weird

@chucksmith9633 3 жыл бұрын

Should have cut the shoulder first. I've done these bb ends a hundred times. But I use a tenoning machine.

@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын

That works too

@leehaelters6182 3 жыл бұрын

Gives the advantage of checking tongue thickness more directly, with the slight drawback of a trifle less stability during the cut, especially if not using feather board or such, or fence is not tall.