Why Your Plane Won't Work

Why Your Plane Won't Work | Part Deux

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Ай бұрын

Rob discusses three additional reasons why his students cannot get their hand planes to work and tells you how to fix each problem.
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@keithstagg9457 21 күн бұрын

Cool stuff. The sandpaper trick under the frog is a new idea to me. I'm going to try that next time. A little tip on the lateral...use a small socket or nut under the lateral pin for support. Punch thr pin into the socket or nut. That way you're not flexing the frog metal while beating. Its often easier also to just drill out the pin and make some new ones out of a nail. I took a small diamond sharpener to a wire nail by using the drill press in low speed as a makeshift lathe. Put a little taper on the end and drive it home over a metal vice. Ding it to stay in place.

@robohippy Ай бұрын

I do watch EN Curtis some times, among other channels. He has commented more than once that Woodriver planes were junk. He just did another video about them, and he pretty much said they were pretty good comparing to the old ones. I asked, and have not heard back, that if his first Woodriver planes were before you got involved with them. He had the soles warp on the first ones he bought. I have removed the lever for the lateral adjustment of the plane blade a few times. I do drill out a hole slightly bigger than the pin to tap it out. I did see one guy who made 2 parallel sanding strips with a slot in between them so he could sand it flat without removing the pin. That worked well. Every one who buys a new plane should have a check list to run through to make sure it is functional. Vintage, antique, or brand new, I consider it important to always check. One of the worst planes I ever got was a Bridge City one. The sole was considerably out of flat, being concave. I sent it back and they sent me another one, and it had the exact same problem. Supposedly that problem is now 'fixed'. I won't try them again...

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

So the "V3's" and higher WoodRiver planes are the good ones. Great comment, thanks

@dennisweekes6221 Ай бұрын

This video just inspired me to check and correct my old Stanley planes. Maybe I’d better purchase a wood River plane as well. By watching this video I can see the value and thanks for the technical explanation in such an easy to understand demonstration.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

I hope it helps you tune your plane into an awesome tool

@robertmceuen3630 Ай бұрын

Excellent video. Thanks. I noticed your "wrap" on your screwdriver handles. I'm 70, and have been wrapping my hammer and other tool handles like that for over 50 years.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

The wrap really helps, eh?

@dpmeyer4867 19 күн бұрын

Thanks

@thijs199 21 күн бұрын

hey, so I've sharpened my plane blade, to ensure it was square and had a straight edge. Now if I set up my plane to take a cut about as deep as yours, and read the shaving to ensure the blade is exactly setup straight in the plane, only about 15mm hits the wood, doesn't matter if I plane on the right middle or left side of the blade. Can't seem to get that full width shaving. Is that a sign that the frog has a hollow? What I find strange is that the shaving comes of at any place on the blade, so that suggests that maybe the wood isn't flat enough and the blade in fact is straight. I find it very nice to get a really smooth finish on softwoods, and this is perfect for that goal but I'd love to get these full width shavings. also my floor is now full of shavings because I've tried and tried to get that wood flat enough, to get that full width shaving but it consistently gives me that 15mm shaving. Maybe it's a thing with this blade, it's only 2mm thick. In my country we got pretty affordable blades, these are 3,2mm thick. Probably I should consider going for these as the back of this blade is also flattened now a couple times, making it even a bit thinner. Maybe I can get away with not flatting the frog if I just buy a thicker blade

@tollertollertoller Ай бұрын

Perfect timing for my tuning up my planes and for things I had not known. By the way, love the Hock blades.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Hock blades are good. Ron Hock prefers O-2 steel, I prefer A-2 steel

@h11s20 Ай бұрын

Hey Rob, Thank you so much for your awesome videos. You have totally changed my view on woodworking. This video couldn't have come at a more opportune time. My dirt cheap Indian made Stanley knock-off just arrived today. And chance has it that it is an almost exact copy of the plane you just showed. Only made substantially worse. I already spent a couple of hours lapping the sole. About halfway done with that. The 2 legs of the frog differ by a t least a millimeter. The gap through which the blade protrudes isn´t perpendicular and the hole for the blade alignment adjuster is off center. The only way for the blade edge to sit parallel to the sole is by adjusting it to the extreme right, which means it actually touches the right edge of the gap. All in all a terrible purchase, but a proper plane costs 20x as much and is well beyond my means, so I guess I will be re-watching this video a few more times over the next few days while I attempt to make this thing perform at least somewhat descent. For those wondering, I live in Brazil. Good tools are hard to come by and cost at least double what they are in the US.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

So sorry you have to go throgh all that

@alanmckeown6462 Ай бұрын

Very good Rob.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

thanks

@tatehogan5685 Ай бұрын

Thanks Rob. Always find something helpful from your videos

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment

@larryohara6513 Ай бұрын

Very informative. I thank you.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@guytremblay6928 Ай бұрын

I realy learned something..nerci!

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful

@JamesSmith-su3oz Ай бұрын

Rob, You have shown how to fix what I have have obsessed on the frog to body fitment without removing to mutch. How to on a # 6 no less, thankyou x3.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

You are very welcome

@jessenunes7602 Ай бұрын

Rob cosman is the best 👌

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Well let's say pretty good and leave it at that!

@J.A.Smith2397 Ай бұрын

Tks hippie Bob

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

you bet

@davida369 Ай бұрын

What is the machine that you use to grind the sole flat?

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

15 inch disc sanding machine

@el_wumberino Ай бұрын

Hello Rob, thank you very much for your videos. As I am planing to set up a little hobbyist workshop your tips are very valuable to me. I own a pair of old Stanley Nr 4 planes which I am restoring - and I just figured that I could use some "fluid metal" epoxy to fill up those three unnecessary cavities on the old Stanley frogs (the odd shaped one a the bottom and the two oblong ones near the yolk), thus increasing the overall contact surface to the blade. Do you think it's with the effort? Cheers!

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

I dont think so. I do not think it would significantly add any more stability than just ensuring the mating surface is flat. But what the heck give it a try and see.

@jcoul1sc Ай бұрын

Was this deleted and re-uploaded, got a sense of de ja vue

@kr4lizec Ай бұрын

I was thinking the same :D

@jcoul1sc Ай бұрын

@kr4lizec think they deleted part of it, but no idea what part.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Yep, first one slipped through without the final edit and altogether missing the final scene after we flattened the sole.

@jcoul1sc Ай бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworkingI thought you had removed the scene where you broke the old frog, but I checked it was still there. I did miss the end of the old version, going to watch it now. (would some thin super glue through the fracture help hold it)

@ponyboyc Ай бұрын

I cant seem to get the chip breaker flat against the blade. Ive flatten the edge and i dont see any light but the moment i tighten the screw a small gap forms

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Need more negative angle on the underside.

@danaparish1644 Ай бұрын

Rob, How thick is that piece of float glass? A lot of the stuff sold is so damn thin that it flexes under the weight of a plane or any pressure whatsoever? Do you remember where you got it?

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

3/4

@thijspluis9998 Ай бұрын

So its better to lot mess with the side to side adjuster. In case you brake the casting

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

No I have broken so few, maybe 1% it is worth messing with them

@philquinn73 Ай бұрын

Recommend type of file? Good quality brand?

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Mill bastard file...fine or medium. Just about any brand will do

@jacquesfouche8961 Ай бұрын

I only have historic stanly and record planes and never had one vibrate or crack before. Am I lucky or was this a commercial 🤔.

@pecopecof8074 Ай бұрын

You are lucky.

@pecopecof8074 Ай бұрын

70% from mine stanley and record planes made chatter. I believe the rest 30% the ex owners fixed them.

@ehisey Ай бұрын

Never had the issue from any of old stanley irons. Actually dont like thick irons in my planes. I have had to flatten the frog on some newer planes. On some really new planes I have had to build up the toe pad on a plane before becuase the maker only had the heel of the frog making contact.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

I would say you tuned yours up well. Antique planes can be tuned up to work very well. My main point is it takes works and if you are new to woodworking and dont even know how to plane its really hard to know how to properly tune up a plane. Its like asking a someone who needs to learn to drive to go repair the car before they take driving lessons. If they don't know how to even drive you cannot expect them to know how to repair the car

@ryanlemons7831 24 күн бұрын

Lucky perhaps. Full disclosure- I’m not a seasoned or accomplished or even hardly amateur level woodworker at this point as of yet. But I have problems ranging from lack of flatness of the sole to lack of good contact surfaces on the frog to frame fitment, adjustment lever problems, out of flat cutting irons, poorly fitted contact points for the chip iron to blade contact, poorly fitted contact surfaces for tote and knob fitment from wood to frame and so on with all my Stanley planes. All antique and or vintage Stanley’s ranging from 1890’s to idk 1960? #8 #7 #5 #4 1/2 jr (0r whatever it’s called- I forget) #3 and a variety of Stanley block planes. Not a single one of mine is a precision instrument by any stretch. It’s been a real thorn in my side. Perhaps that’s the name of the game with buying eBay? Perhaps everyone I’ve purchased the seller was selling because of undisclosed flaws? I’m unsure. The only thing I’m sure of is that I’ve had to put a great deal of time and effort into every plane I personally own. I consider perhaps I’m too picky. I’m unsure. If I was well off financially I’d buy all premium planes and have them professionally fine tuned. But I’m poor white trash lol Cheers!

@EdwardKilner Ай бұрын

Had to rewind. Did you say flint glass? Then saw float glass. Hint: say it distinctly if it’s important, and say it twice, spell it, add a caption.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

Wow...that would take some much extra time when we are giving these videos away

@EdwardKilner 29 күн бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworkingSo, you make videos and don’t care about enough clarity to ensure your audience can understand your message? Don’t care for polite suggestions either?

@kylejohnson4662 Ай бұрын

That Stanley looks like a war time plane. A lot of the workers were less skilled and thus a lot of the fit and finish was lower quality. It’s too bad but those planes are often the most cost effective planes for beginners to get ahold of, which kinda gives antique Stanleys a bad reputation.

@ehisey Ай бұрын

Actual War planes were the last run of quailty planes. Abuse is still an issue, but quality did not really falloff till late 50s, 60s.

@kylejohnson4662 Ай бұрын

@@ehisey the planes are good. But some of the fit and finish was less than perfect on some. I’ve come across a couple that just were a little less than ideal. They worked perfect after a small amount of lapping on the frog or sole.

@ehisey Ай бұрын

@kylejohnson4662 I can say the same about both Veritas and LN. Though the LN are way heavy for my taste.

@RobCosmanWoodworking Ай бұрын

good comment

@inspectr1949 Ай бұрын

Just attended the Fine Woodworking New England Show In Manchester CT, many "antique" vendors selling all kind of Stanley and other by gone era woodworking tools at super prices but can't help but wonder why other than frugality would anyone put so much time in effort into making something so inferior modest at best? Seems to be Lie Nelson's age old question.

@ehisey Ай бұрын

Becuase most of mine are in way better state than this one. Perform as well as any LN.