One can't really understand the Bible unless they understand Hebrew and the Jewish customs from the times. There are a lot of misconceptions interpreted by modern mainstream Christian teachings that aren't what was meant when the alleged Christ was teaching, nor the apostles and / or people who wrote the texts used to compile the " Bible". One is the misconception of turning the other cheek and loving ones enemy. The other is that Jesus changed Judaism or the law. The closest practice of the type of spirituality and worship resembling those days would be messianic Judaism. Not protestent Christianity . The person Jesus, aka, Yeshua, did not come to change the law, but to fulfill it, as prophesied in Isaiah. Some of the dead sea scrolls were written in Aramauc , Hebrew, Greek, and Latin. Mohammad of Islam wasn't born until 570 CE. I thought he had said something about Islam, which would be irrelevant except for the fact that Mohammad wouldve been a descendent of the descendents of those living at the time the dead sea scrolls were written. A lot of people lived in caves back then. Archaeologists have uncovered the communities the people who wrote the dead sea scrolls lived in. They weren't cave dwellers, as such.. though they were organized into different levels, on par with the first type of monks . They did not invite beggers, blind and deaf people into the community. . So not exactly the same people of the " give them the coat off your back " christians. There were many sects of Jews at the time. . The scrolls were stashed in a hurry, most probably because the Romans were on their tails. The theory is that they were mostly massacred , with some possible escapees . .None of the writings used in the New Testament Bible were found among the dead sea scrolls . The Dead Sea scrolls only confirm them to be the earliest written texts found in the Jewish texts that were also included in the Christian old testament.. they confirm their earlier existence for the Jews, and confirm their authenticity as to translation, Isaiah being the most complete , intact and earliest original text of the Tanakh. There is no evidence that they were Christians. The term " righteous" was not created by Christians, nor was it a new concept to religion or reference to an individual dedicated to their spirituality in purity .

@@penelopejuno9904 I enjoyed reading your reply. I missed the reference to Mohammed, but I'm sure you know that Judaism was a major source for his creation of Islam.

Well he in no way has an Essese mind set.

​@@penelopejuno9904my question is... Who wrote Peter and John then...I believe that Jesus fulfilled the old test... So then who was James from Acts and why did the Jerusalem Jews act a certain way etc... The dead sea ers... Were they not the same brand of believer....hmmm 🤔

​@@acesing0987, Jesus wasn't mentioned in the dead sea scrolls. They were written by a Jewish sect. Christianity was only just begun by the time the Dead sea scrolls were left in the cave. They contain fragments of the old testament or Jewish Bible, and then some , except that Isiah wa complete, not fragmented. None of the new testament scriptts were part of the dead sea scrolls. As far as who James, John and Paul were , there is a lot of information you can refer to through a search. Their writings, however, came after the dead sea scrolls were written and abandoned in the cave. The historical context of the dead sea scrolls is that they confirm that the writings the Jews used as part of their religion.. .. the dead sea scrolls were dated to be earlier than other known copies of the Jewish " Bible". The Jewish Bible does not mention Jesus. But the people who converted to Christianity or who were said to have followed Jesus were mostly people of Jewish and Roman religions and cultures, as was Jesus, himself, in fact preaching at the Temple. . What I'm saying is the writings compiled into new testament, need to be read in the context of the beliefs , customs and history of the Jews at the time , not our modern day society who don't understand the Jewish customs and practices at that time in history , or any other custom that wouldn't be understood in our modern day. In summary, the dead sea scrolls preceded Christianity . They were written by a Jewish sect and are historically significant because they prove prerexistence of old testament writings or Jewish " bible" to an earlier date of other known early copies, especially the one of Isaiah, because of its completeness . They have nothing to do with the new testament writings.

our righteousness is as filthy rags

​@@thejamnasium6447Thx for telling us we're worms...I mean menstrual diapers

Allow me to propose 'Revelation Ch.25' by EdwardKMicheal as an authentic witness to our Christ Yeshua. kdag PlymouthUK 2024Feb8th

I thought I was the only one. 😅

Your not alone but seeking truth, drawing close to God is probably inherently likely to make one feel alone. Honestly, that's usually a good indication you'll be blessed. Naturally defining what blessed is becomes interpreted subjectively..

fascinating!

It's called being guided by the holy spirit.

Eisenman has some of his old Long Beach State Classes on the net for FREE. He rambles a bit and can be moved off topic but the stream of thought is worth it.

EVENTALLY, EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY TONGUE CONFESS that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD AND KING OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

I couldn't agree more, Dr Tabor was born to teach he's a natural. He is such a great communicator you can do nothing other than sit back & listen. I can watch one of his video's & the information sticks. I'll learn more from Dr Tabor than from any other channel.

Just keep in mind that this is Only his personal opinion and Not the ultimate truth 😊

any righteousness of a man is only because of the righteousness of Christ's indwelling of said man .. this guy is not saying things that are the truth.. No man is good only Jesus.. and only through Him are we made pure ..so this guy talking about being made pure by ritual cleansing so they can commune with angels.. is not in the Bible. but i do not think he cares about what the Bible says.. Jesus stressed that in the days before His return that you "Be Not Decieved"!!! be careful who you listen to.

@@rickstrole9634 I feel encouraged, by James Tabor especially, and more inclined to read the bible because of his scholarly appreciation and enthusiasm than if I hadn't listened to him. I've been put off by many pontificating, self-righteous, judgemental 'Christians' who denigrate earnest truth seekers. James Tabor has helped me to take down that wall of defence and to have an enquiring mind once more.

@@pds002 Good for you . . . I am a Christian . . . this guy readily admits to not knowing the Bible, the NT, & it shows - but the depth in which he ended up having to learn what he was translating from the dead sea scrolls . . . he has no reason to lie. What he was learning, intrigued him & he got a pretty good grasp of the NT without knowing what was in the NT, I'm impressed & I appreciate an unbiased, new pair of eyes that is NOT trying to convince me to believe what they believe to win me over to their personal "religion" The end result: you read the Bible for yourself, with this new perspective - ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you, not any human . . . & I hope you & I will have all of eternity to debate it together.

@@rickstrole9634 jesus said there were many rightous men. Hay when did a christian preacher last say to pratcice what jesus taught? If one did it world make history.

Except it really isn't. The ebonites who were far more judaic in thought were wiped out. The hellenistic world took over the idea of a redemptive God who really looks less judaic by the time you get to byzantium

Exactly! And the way they enforce consensus views is to define the box and label everyone outside that box to be a crank! So Dr. Robert Eisenmann, Dr Dennis MacDonald, and Dr Richard Carrier share the same company with Joseph Atwill, James Valliant, and D.M. Murdock (Acharaya S).

Theology vs history. Well put. Maybe he’s passionate for historical record vs literature?

Hey, just to add my 2 cents worth, I trust THEOLOGY rather than RELIGION - that is if you truly grasp the proper definition of each of those words . . . Constantine, had the position, power & authority to do just exactly what he was insinuating here & Constantine converted, then regressed & converted again, practically on his deathbed . . . I mean, Eisenman here, readily admitted to not knowing scripture, for comparison, he only knew what he had translated & in great detail, Rome was no weak or blind government, you batten, you bargain, you compromise, you negotiate . . . all of this is very plausible.

I prefer teachers over heros. Following and putting other humans on pedestals is in part how we allow authority to grow and replacing our critical thinking for others. ✌️

This interview was recorded years ago and has been in KZfaq for ever. I don't think it actually is an interview of eisenman by Tabor. That would be awesome. I believe that Eisenman is the difficult one to wrangle And get in a room with Tabor but please go ahead and try. I'd absolutely love to see that "crossover". Good luck. Your gonna probably need a good lasso and a Few thousand dollars cash, plus some good kosher vegetarian food

Yeah your out of your mind if you believe the little Roman Spy Paul had any sincerity or integrity. Many researchers historians and authors have pointed out Paul’s connection to the Romans and his mission.

Refreshing. And no book/s or props for the interview.

So sad he seems to think his righteousness can please God, he is using the wrong standard. Needs to read Isaiah 64:6, it in the dead sea scrolls.

@@dustye753 Wut? You are missing the point. Here is the difference between what Robert believes and what you see what many call "faith" or "belief". It is a common idea among Christians that if they just do the sinners prayer - then "once saved always saved" and regardless of the sin that their "righteousness now is in Jesus". The effect that is common is that they think it is some sort of magic spell that will "take away their sins regardless of their actions" and basically it becomes pointless to be actually righteous because "the Law was nailed to the Cross" that hey are "Free from the Law". You can spot that type easily. They view any actual obsevance of the Law as the new "sin" and think that they have some form of moral superiority because "they are in Jesus" and "all their sins has been taken away by Jesus". Robert is not trying to "please God". He is just trying to understand what righeousness is, understanding that that is what makes you a "better person" not just mumbling some verses out of context to justify your own transgression of the Law. So he says - "whatever makes you more righteous" . And I agree with him. The goal is to have a righteous soceity with righteous people, not a soceity filled with law breakers who think they are immune from judgement and revel in their own ignorance - which is exactly what we see with the modern church and their "Free from the Law" doctrine.

This type of "righteousness" being subjective to every person's heart feeling guilty is that people no longer feel guilty for breaking some of the most basic commands from the Torah. That can't be the standard we use to determine righteousness.

I think Robert is (intentionally?) misunderstood here. He is arguing for basic common sense righteousness - which is exactly what Torah is about. Those pushing all kinds of "spirituality" which is totally subjective is the problem - because nothing is certain - and that is the types who push "free from the Law" doctrines in favour of totally subjective "salvation" doctrine.

​@@isrbillmeyer Right like Romans 8 explains, the believer is now free from the Law of sin and death.

He rambles in his books too. VERY important books, but damn.

Beautiful.

Yes

Ahmein and Ahmein

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Jesus the man, by Barbara Theiring, says he is Jesus.

Great Isaiah!

At the same time, while not confirming the Divinity of Jesus, it shows a "god man" form of status; a second Adam, come to clean up the mess kicked off in the Garden. One particular Saint in India, I could feel his presence like a compass; literally use his presence as a direction-finder to know where he was presently. And no one was claiming this guy was God; but rather a "god man". This is what's left out of Tabor's work and Eisenman. This other dimension; that they don't account for.

I thought it was just me. Heresy.

The body! I guess we could go down the rabbit hole with that one, but the thing is, nothing doesn't exist, ergo, I attribute the soul to God.

Same. That was my 1st DSS book.

@@SMitch231 it stirred a life long passion for them inside me, and lead me to Dr. Tabor along the way with his own involvement with them.

@@atheistapostate7019 It's very compelling. I've been away from the subject in an active way for many years. Am now retired, and I've found Dr. Tabor and other great resources on the interweb. I'm delighted and feel very lucky.

Think of it this way: under Roman rule, they couldn't very well allow the Jews to have a KING, now could they, especially when they used the title Caesar . . . there were multiple Herod this, Herod that, Herod the Great - the Herod that slaughtered 2year old males when Joseph took Mary & the babe to Egypt, then returned from Egypt after that Herod had died . . . each of these Herod had a nasty habit of killing off their own siblings & children for their own personal gain . . . if you were someone in line here, you'd either keep them well funded, or go off to Greece to be educated to become a scholarly Pharisee & hope they have forgotten about you.

He was a herodian who claimed to be a Pharisee. Just like Xtians claim to be scholars of scholars

He's honest about his thoughts. He has his own lenses he sees through the history.

?!? How on earth do the Dead Sea Scrolls validate Szekely's 'Essene Gospels'?

Essene Gospel of Peace changed my life about 15 years ago. A friend gave me the first two books, although I realized I had owned these for a decade or more and never read them! I fasted a week, gave up meat, received an ‘annointment’ vision on the seventh day. Commanded in Yahuah’s name all unclean spirits depart me, and they did, kicked a small but persistant tobacco habit I acquired after 911. Just a week ago I fasted 40 days. I cannot call myself a ‘christian’ because I consider Paul/Saul the antichrist, but I can call myself and Essene, or aspiring to that.

@@sandrasynar1358 Everything you did is fantastic. Doesn't change the fact the the "Essene Gospels" are dubious as hell, in terms of being actual, historical documents. Stay holy.

I love how people dismiss the gospel of Peace. Regardless of who wrote it or where it came from, rejecting it in the name of religion shows what's in their heart, and exemplifies the teachings as a whole. They read it's heresy or fake, because the Vatican told them it was fake ... It wouldn't matter where he said it was from, or even if it ever shows up in the hidden archives -evil would and will reject its message. If the scroll writers were indeed Zealots, however, I'm not sure they would have written the Gospel of Peace. I dunno. I follow my heart and my heart rejected Paul and Bible thumpers way before I knew anything. The Gospel of Peace reflects my heart. Nothing historical - only eternal wisdom.

Thankyou for a well written comment. I enjoyed reading thru it!🙂

Have you read Matthew 5:17-19? These are the words of the Messiah. Be careful how you interpret the past, current and future importance of the eternal Law of God.

What are u yapping about? Kingdom of God is laws of God, moses was the first prophet to receive laws to govern a land, this is key 🔑 because look at the west today it governs by laws of Satan not laws of God, and Jesus was preaching the good news of the son of man to come after him and establish the laws of God and get rid of the roman empire out of Jerusalem maybe look in history and see who this figure is

so since you claim the Law was disposed of.... then explain to everyone how that works. The Law includes commandments to not murder, not steal, amongst many others. The Law doesn't burden anyone. In fact it brings forth life and blessings. Yahusha my Master and King states unequivocally that He didn't come to do away with the Law so how are you overlookimg that? you are twisting Scriptures!

@@cassandraconroy563 I haven't disposed of the law. It is just that the people are regulated differently. In Luke 16:16 Jesus says, " when John comes the law and the prophets are no longer in effect and it is kingdom living" which is followed closely by Luke 16:17 by "not one dot or iota will pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away". This is because there is the coming of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ which will regulate the people and bring the kingdom. "If I drive out a demon with the finger of God the kingdom og God has come upon you". The power of God will now fall on anybody and not just the Great High Priest beyond the veil in the temple. God does this because Jerusalem is about to be sacked and the temple destroyed. The temple laws and the place itself used to regulate the lives of the people but the great prophecy of the time was the destruction of the temple. It was Jesus's major prophecy. The idea that the ordinances and the precepts would be followed and would regulate the Zadokites of the Dead Sea Scrolls until the coming of the messiah (s) of Aaron and Israel is found in the sectarian writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Clearly something of the law and its holiness comes in the Holy Spirit and becomes written on your heart with love. See Nick Shakoor's the chosen actors testimony of the Holy Fire and his repentance of idols. You can see from this testimony that God can also be scary and you can see why the Jews used to tie a rope around the Great High Priest when he entered the Holy of Holies in case the Great High Priest was killed! The law is for the world but is not necessary if you live in the kingdom and beyond the veil in the power of God and the perfection of his way. In reality life is paradoxical but God can turn his face away from your sins and wipe them out.

Sure

It isn't that. Eisenman came up with his own ideas about who the Qumran community was (Jacobite Christians / Ebionites) and along the way tried to reinterpret the Jewish sectarian divide in a way that neither the historical records nor the archaeology support (for example, he believes that there were two groups of Sadducee, one of which was nationalistic in anachronistically 20th century way). The problem is that as new evidence from Qumran and other sites came to light and disproved his ideas, he rejected all of them in favor of his own interpretation, which isolated him from the mainstream. In a way he turned into DSS Einstein; revered for his early work but ostracized from the community of scholars in old age due to stubbornly clinging to his own outdated ideas. Eisenman is not underappreciated. If anything, he's overappreciated because people outside the scholarly community only know of his successful fight to make the DSS accessible to all but don't know of his scathing and rambling defense of his out-of-consensus ideas, sometimes unfairly attacking other researchers who just try to reason with him. He ran out of defenders sometime around the late 2010s because he ended up attacking everyone who tried to make him sound more reasonable to the community. It's a bit sad, really. I'm not saying he isn't a great scholar. He is, and his contributions shouldn't be forgotten, but neither should we excuse his later transformation. This interview is like a last gasp of brilliance and fresh air for someone who, to be fair, dug his own hole and refused to come out of it.

​@@andrewsuryali8540Do you know where I can read up or watch videos on the newer discoveries that go against Eisenmen?

Thank you, I just said the same thing and there are only 2 or 3 comments so far that pick him up on fundamental inaccuracies that a seasoned scholar should/would not make, which leads me to believe he likes to push a certain narrative.

what did he accomplish?

Well, he helped to create the largest religion in the world. 😊 That's big. His letters are the first Christian writings we have, and the very foundation of the New Testament. His ideas about Jesus shaped the religion itself.

@@haze1123 The Quran says that Christianity causes conflict until the end of time, doesn't this correspond with the facts? Is Paul's changing of Jesus' Way then still a good thing?

He invented a Jesus who never existed and lied to the Galatians that James was his brother and lied to the Corinthians that he had multiple brothers!

@@edwardmiessner6502 so, do you like Paul or not

Still good. I’ll look for orig to see what was edited out to fit the current YT format.

They were completely erased by the Romans in the first Jewish Revolt / War on the Jews 66-70 CE. Many of them ended up on a _crux / stauros,_ best described as "torture-stake", not "cross".

They recognised christ as the prophesied messiah and became Christians

@@rhoothlutz798 The Essene's were the real priesthood preparing the way out in the wilderness. They knew when the messiah was to come from the Melchizedek document. Not sure about the point of this material? Jesus was both man and God you will not find Jesus in history but by faith alone and calling!