Robin Dreeke - Sizing People Up - DEF CON 27 Social Engineering Village

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You learned how to build rapport from Robin. Then you learned about the code of trust… but blending all of it together to now master - SIZING PEOPLE UP.
Robin Dreeke: @rdreeke
Robin is a best-selling author, professional speaker, trainer, facilitator, and retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program. Robin has taken his life’s work of recruiting spies and broken the art of leadership and relationship building into Five Steps to TRUST. Since 2010, Robin has been working with large corporations as well as small companies in every aspect of their business. Whether it is newly promoted leaders, executives, sales teams, or customer relations, Robin has crafted his Code of Trust for quick results and maximum success.

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@profools2820
@profools2820 4 жыл бұрын
How to tel if someone’s a Fed - they refer to a group of people as a group of individuals
@TheXanUser
@TheXanUser 4 жыл бұрын
WOW. My favorite professor in school spent the first 5 days of the semester trying to drive home how fundamental it is to understand another's POV. This is so whats missing in most personal interaction these days. The real meaning of "walk a mile in his shoes" literally goes over 99% of peoples heads.
@tdg710
@tdg710 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought about what people think of you? I don't mean like superficially, I just mean in general. What's crazy is you are literally a million different people to a million different people. The person you think you are in your head is NOT how people see you.
@nathanc86
@nathanc86 Жыл бұрын
I typically watch con talks at 1.5x speed. I opened up my settings to slow this guy down and realized it was at normal speed.
@JesusisJesus
@JesusisJesus 4 жыл бұрын
Jeez he talks fast. Setting playback speed to 0.75 I took notes and he made 4 points. 1. Discover people’s thoughts and priorities by making conversation all about them. 2. Seek their priorities about their dreams and aspirations by giving those things meaning. 3. Validate people and their opinions & choices. 4. Empower people’s choices to make them feel valued and inspired. Then he repeats it, drills it down and reiterates these 4 points.
@sagemasters8443
@sagemasters8443 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. He didn't seem to go anywhere for like 20 minutes.
@digitbiatch
@digitbiatch 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jesus. Doing the lords work.
@oh_rhythm
@oh_rhythm 4 жыл бұрын
you forget 2 points; 5th point: "if they're up for it". people could be not up for whatever it is you're about, and in that case you should just let go. 6th point: be consistent about them. people might need you to approach them every once in a while, in order to "give in" to you(how frequently? depends on the person). these were the 2 points most important for me, since I'm naturally a curious person that actually cares about people and what they have to inspire me(and practically anyone) with, and when I got to a certain point of diminishing returns, I couldn't quite understand why are people not responding to my honest interest anymore. Now I know; some people just aren't about your care for them, or u just need to be a bit more consistent, so u need to know which is which. I started feeling that change when I got to a certain age; around the late 20's. I would say, that's when people in general start becoming less approachable, though in some places they would become irrelevant(especially with the contemporary social media cancer).
@tdg710
@tdg710 4 жыл бұрын
@@oh_rhythm Your 5th and 6th point kind of contradict each other. Give up or consist? I'm confused.
@profools2820
@profools2820 4 жыл бұрын
Jesus thanks homie
@TS-yd2us
@TS-yd2us 3 жыл бұрын
Found this to be extremely informative. Particularly appreciated his repetition of the idea of 'understanding'. Thank you for the knowledge!
@devjock
@devjock 4 жыл бұрын
This talk is solid gold. Also, zipponata is now my new way of saying 0%. Thank you sir, amazing talk!
@FlameMage2
@FlameMage2 4 жыл бұрын
He just speeds through "zippo... nada"
@augustoconstante8780
@augustoconstante8780 11 ай бұрын
Very insightful talk! I love how fast police/military people talk at conferences. This dude is getting like 150 words per second.
@Kas_Styles-Akuma
@Kas_Styles-Akuma 4 жыл бұрын
That last question and answer. Good one. I'll use that.
@fabiodan30
@fabiodan30 4 жыл бұрын
This is amazing
@MintyFarts
@MintyFarts 4 жыл бұрын
The comment about not holding yesterday against you today.. there's an exception to the rule. There are people who will abuse that value. Dark triad personality traits are the exception. People with a pattern of bad or exploitative behaviours. These are the "in for my self/got mine f you" people, the domestic abusers, narcissists who refuse to work on themselves...
@un4v41l48l3
@un4v41l48l3 4 жыл бұрын
Can we get a link to the book in the video description? I can search for it, but you're missing out on the referral.
@WickdPerfekT
@WickdPerfekT 7 ай бұрын
What a great Toyota ad!
@oh_rhythm
@oh_rhythm 4 жыл бұрын
this lecture is amazing and a true inspiration. thank you mister selfless narcissist.
@lebasson
@lebasson 4 жыл бұрын
Does is sit uneasily with anyone else that "seeking healthy relationships" is just an amusing feat of linguistic acrobatics meant to reframe or humanize the concept of "getting what I want"?
@420steamboat
@420steamboat 4 жыл бұрын
I read a book when i was a kid that introduced the idea that there is a motive behind every interaction. Neurologically, we are always trying to achieve what we think is in our best interest, even if others believe it is unhealthy. Addiction is a great example: there are people who are convinced it is in their best interest to live in a tent downtown and shoot heroin. On the other hand are people like Christian evangelists in China, who also put their lives at risk to get what they want. If a junkie tries to entice the average person to shoot up with them, the junkie will likely hold the belief that there are better choices one could make in life. The evangelist, however, is convinced that what he is selling is an infinite amount of time in a place that is infinitely better than the present one. I think what the speaker is getting at is to examine one's motives until one has that level of conviction. If you actually believe you've got the best deal in town, it's easier to convince someone that they're better off for having met and agreed with you.
@WackadoodleMalarkey
@WackadoodleMalarkey 4 жыл бұрын
Understandable if you haven't read his previous book Code of Trust. The short answer is, it doesn't work.
@kitten-inside
@kitten-inside 3 жыл бұрын
He explains it in the QA part.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me you didn’t understand the lecture without telling me that you didn’t understand the lecture
@jesuslovespee
@jesuslovespee Жыл бұрын
@@bansheeofinisheerin wow, unique and original. for this post anyway. you got this reply bottles? save ya some time
@DannyWilliamH
@DannyWilliamH 4 жыл бұрын
12:56 Type A people are the easiest to read. He really hated that he admitted to "false flags" while talking a mile a minute haha The only time he stuttered in this entire talk is when he haphazardly admitted to running them.
@MrCantStopTheRobot
@MrCantStopTheRobot 4 жыл бұрын
It's tough forcing myself to listen to spooks give speeches, but you mentioning that has given me the motivation to endure.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me you don’t know what you’re talking about
@user-hb7py7xy7b
@user-hb7py7xy7b 4 жыл бұрын
Retired. More like undercover agent for me. Very interesting speech. Thank you.
@MrCantStopTheRobot
@MrCantStopTheRobot 4 жыл бұрын
I was about to type "You can retire when you're dead," but considering games you can play with names and official records, maybe not even then.
@glynnetolar4423
@glynnetolar4423 5 ай бұрын
Well, you can get away with more when you're not working for the company. But then again, the line is getting narrower and narrower these days.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 5 ай бұрын
@@glynnetolar4423 what are you talking about? Did you escape from a dementia ward? You haven’t made a single comment that actually makes sense.
@glynnetolar4423
@glynnetolar4423 5 ай бұрын
@@bansheeofinisheerin this would mean something if a cared what you think. And I didn't.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 5 ай бұрын
@@glynnetolar4423 maybe you should start caring what more intelligent people think, Glynn. It might do you some good. Or you could just stay in your narcissistic dustbin…your choice.
@Idothinkysaurus
@Idothinkysaurus 4 жыл бұрын
Some other guy did this, but 3:00 is when it starts.
@TopherHasOpinions
@TopherHasOpinions 2 жыл бұрын
Good talk.
@ChristopherRiewaldt
@ChristopherRiewaldt 11 ай бұрын
This guy deals with the averages of people's personality- its no surprise he found interest in his wife's anomalous favorite food
@blizzardengle
@blizzardengle 4 жыл бұрын
Watch at .75 speed. Your welcome.
@lebasson
@lebasson 4 жыл бұрын
this is possibly the only video I couldn't watch at >1x speed! :) What a machine gun mouth.
@420yoloscopes
@420yoloscopes 4 жыл бұрын
lebasson I had to watch at 1.5x, some people I guess.
@allooutrick8266
@allooutrick8266 4 жыл бұрын
No. You're welcome for the pleasure of saying you're welcome to me.
@casparharte
@casparharte 4 жыл бұрын
@@420yoloscopes between 1.25 and 1.5 slowing down for the interesting points
@NicholasLittlejohn
@NicholasLittlejohn 4 жыл бұрын
2x
@machinerin151
@machinerin151 3 жыл бұрын
Well, getting somewhere in this field can be done without a real relationship with someone. The relationship can be parasocial, and with many - learning from books, videos, courses, all that good stuff - it can be pleasant and anonymous. That's the scary yet inspiring about this field of hacking, both humans and machines: you can be a nobody with a little curiosity and internet access - and in a few years you can rise to good competency and practice these things for good or not so good, depending on who you are and who you established first real relationships in the field with, or what's your position - if you're working alone with just your own resources.
@khall187
@khall187 4 жыл бұрын
Note to self: 16:57
@heavensplayer
@heavensplayer 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@papadapi6827
@papadapi6827 Жыл бұрын
Awesome, this is literally the James Bond version of Zan Perrion.
@ikaros4203
@ikaros4203 4 жыл бұрын
Ez behavioral non judgement pro code of trust
@fp7642
@fp7642 Жыл бұрын
this is who XQC learned english from
@sick000fight
@sick000fight 4 жыл бұрын
did anyone else picked up the vibe of.. i don't lie... but i don't tell you what you don't need to know. they want transparency because they want to know research points on yourself.
@lebasson
@lebasson 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a subjective truth isn't it. "I don't lie, I don't apply subterfuge.... but everything I do is done in order to create the circumstances in which I achieve my ultimate goal.". Come on man.. how is that not deceit - an element of subterfuge? I think I get it; being able to arguably deny having lied is most likely because of legal reasons. But it seems like he's repeated this mantra to himself often enough that he honestly feels he's just having a conversation without deception. Having said that, of course it's naive to think that you can be working in counter-intelligence and be Mother Theresa at the same time. This dude knows his stuff, I'm thankful that he was able to share this with us!
@allooutrick8266
@allooutrick8266 4 жыл бұрын
Not really. I see it as mutually beneficial in a normal situation. His line of work was more one sided by nature. Applying this to every day life though, especially if you need to be the lead for your team, will be beneficial for all involved.
@sick000fight
@sick000fight 4 жыл бұрын
@@allooutrick8266 i don't agree with your point, but it may be the case. but nowhere in this presentation was defined what transparency really means and who will benefit from it.
@420steamboat
@420steamboat 4 жыл бұрын
@@allooutrick8266 I'm glad you brought up mutual benefit, as I feel that's the core of this talk. This man's line of work was highly specialized, but it can be generalized to selling something you believe in versus something you don't. If a team leader doesn't believe they are there to do what's right for the team, it is not a team and they are not leading it! The same principle applied to physical pentesting is to know that I am here to teach the company about security, and the best way to present my lesson is to illustrate some unfortunate shortcuts in thinking. That way you know that you are acting in a person's best interest when you exploit those shortcuts, because you are going to help them be mindful of that backdoor in case someone less scrupulous tries to take advantage of them.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
@@lebasson wow, how is it possible to miss the entire point of this hour long talk. Unbelievably amazing…I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
@jermainerace4156
@jermainerace4156 4 жыл бұрын
.."14 times in 21 years.." So basically, an average of one recruit every year and a half is considered exceptional. That's a lot of effort for a tiny number of people, it must be really worth it.
@Captain1nsaneo
@Captain1nsaneo 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of stories from the cold war center around the consequences of intelligence. Going further back, WWII is replete. Quick example; several groups of Panzers were kept from being deployed during D-Day thanks to a double agent.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me you’re clueless without telling me you’re clueless
@chucklebutt4470
@chucklebutt4470 11 ай бұрын
I mean, you could make your whole career on just 1 recruit if you end up with a guy like Robert Hanssen. Also, you're getting someone to risk their lives and livelihood for you so it takes a lot of prior relationship building.
@deus_ex_machina_
@deus_ex_machina_ 6 ай бұрын
​@@bansheeofinisheerinYou've made a lot of replies in comments section. Shame none of them have any value.
@Moto_Medics
@Moto_Medics 11 ай бұрын
The real life DENNIS system
@jahread3322
@jahread3322 3 жыл бұрын
Did y’all catch what he said when he introduced the part about the article he wrote about what his team does....assessments, double agent, FALSE FLAGS
@forestnfren8146
@forestnfren8146 4 жыл бұрын
if they dont why not. ayee
@ayebeeskwib
@ayebeeskwib 2 жыл бұрын
watch at .50 speed for drunk version
@cptn_chromo3189
@cptn_chromo3189 2 жыл бұрын
He had a couple too many before giving this presentation. That being said, still a great presentation.
@billturnbull6957
@billturnbull6957 2 жыл бұрын
Really? He didn't seem drunk to me at all! What made you think that?
@mo938
@mo938 2 жыл бұрын
@@billturnbull6957 he hit the slopes.
@jesuslovespee
@jesuslovespee Жыл бұрын
@@mo938nah... he only *sniffed* at the beginning and end of all his sentences.
@BlakeHaskins-tv8fj
@BlakeHaskins-tv8fj Жыл бұрын
Making it all about the person, building them up, inclusion, validating, verification, ect, the only problem with this, is certain people will know when someone is not real. They may not show it and play along for whatever reason but certain people can sense fakeness ... And sometimes you can never understand the person because you weren't born with what they were born with. You can walk in their shoes, but you can't rewire your brain to copy their synaptic connections. You can come closer than close, but original you never will be.
@K-A5
@K-A5 5 ай бұрын
24:23 (personal timestamp)
@ambercamper5149
@ambercamper5149 2 жыл бұрын
I also have a sgt marine corps father who is now in heaven. However I'm dying to be like him. Can we talk
@milacodes3530
@milacodes3530 3 жыл бұрын
16:30
@rfbirdcontrol
@rfbirdcontrol 2 жыл бұрын
This guy could be describing Facebook. 😝
@greatwhiteswag
@greatwhiteswag 2 жыл бұрын
So much good info but damn he's a speedtalker!
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Learn how to listen then
@glynnetolar4423
@glynnetolar4423 5 ай бұрын
And then I got to his ad. He's just another Tony Robbins now. I guess Amway is gone.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 5 ай бұрын
What an ignoramus you must be. This is nothing like Tony Robbins. Do you have brain damage or are you just that incredibly ignorant?
@Jone952
@Jone952 4 жыл бұрын
MAKE DEF CON GREAT AGAIN! More coding, less feds
@ikaros4203
@ikaros4203 4 жыл бұрын
Johnny Schmegma like jeez can't they just stick to their FEDCON?
@jemalguillory
@jemalguillory 4 жыл бұрын
They must be sponsoring it.
@ikaros4203
@ikaros4203 4 жыл бұрын
Jemal Guillory oh absolutely
@burprobrox9134
@burprobrox9134 4 жыл бұрын
I really can’t stand se village. So repetitive and so much circle jerking.
@leetlikelime
@leetlikelime 4 жыл бұрын
there are only so many "novel" attack vectors going around. Some massive breaches have happened due to social engineering. SE is important to security and security is what DEFCON is about. All the fancy hardened/militarygrade/stateoftheart/insert_buzzword security systems will not help you if the attacker can compromise you through people.
@user-om9pg9bn1w
@user-om9pg9bn1w 4 жыл бұрын
3:00
@DjTommosimmo
@DjTommosimmo 7 ай бұрын
What was the point of the comment "I dont want to talk to chinese guys overseas" lol
@TheMesh
@TheMesh 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely a marginal note, but since they were briefly mentioned I feel compelled to state so: Myers-Briggs type indicators are pseudoscientific nonsense.
@SujanraAcoma
@SujanraAcoma 3 жыл бұрын
Only because the test is not very good (not always repeatable with consistent results). But the cognitive function model itself is a valid way to abstract the way human information processing works if you keep in mind that everyone uses all of them, just with varying degrees of preference and competence. The confusion arises because people take some BS online test and read a type description and that’s it. But that leads to misunderstanding because 1. the system defines some terms differently than the colloquial use of those terms (like “introvert” and “extrovert”) and 2. People don’t understand the scope of what the system describes, either two narrow or too wide. It specifically defines modes of cognition and how that can affect behavioral tendencies.
@Motorman2112
@Motorman2112 7 ай бұрын
"Type A" isn't a real thing either.
@MultiCose
@MultiCose 6 ай бұрын
It’s MICE and R this is bad! Also it’s it’s wiffem
@supercompooper
@supercompooper 4 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't buy a used car from this guy.
@NicholasLittlejohn
@NicholasLittlejohn 4 жыл бұрын
Buy a new helicopter.
@chamillionairevg
@chamillionairevg 4 жыл бұрын
sounds like manipulation with extra steps
@MrCantStopTheRobot
@MrCantStopTheRobot 4 жыл бұрын
Those extra steps are what can make the difference, of course.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me you missed the point without telling me you missed the point
@gogogomes7025
@gogogomes7025 8 ай бұрын
What did you expect from a talk about social FUCKING engineering?
@glynnetolar4423
@glynnetolar4423 5 ай бұрын
@@bansheeofinisheerin Wow dude, do you have an original thought up there? Or just a bunch of sayings to spout. The previous posts appear to point to the latter. Have a nice life.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 5 ай бұрын
@@glynnetolar4423 no one asked you, Glynn. Your irrelevance is particularly palpable when you can’t even make a strong point. Try getting an actual life.
@ITILII
@ITILII 2 жыл бұрын
Talks way too fast, needs to slow his roll. Sounds like a car salesman, tv preacher, or some such person trying to control you. People don't like slick talkers: if he talked slower with more sincerity it would make what he says much more meaningful, and him more trustworthy
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Yea keep giving advice from the amateur to the pro….brilliant strategy.
@chucklebutt4470
@chucklebutt4470 11 ай бұрын
He's on a strict time limit and wants to fit his whole talk in lmao
@user-iu3ii8sq6t
@user-iu3ii8sq6t 4 жыл бұрын
not being judged is such a fucking turn on too
@ambercamper5149
@ambercamper5149 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Teach me your whole way of life please let me be a unpaid apprentice
@NopeNopeNope9124
@NopeNopeNope9124 19 күн бұрын
This guy looks like a dude who wears glasses
@NopeNopeNope9124
@NopeNopeNope9124 19 күн бұрын
Also he's totally on speed but who cares
@patmac47
@patmac47 4 жыл бұрын
This guy just talked fast and didn't really say anything.
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me you’re a narcissist without telling me you’re a narcissist.
@MisterRlGHT
@MisterRlGHT 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, dude is so tiny they need spam ads to fill the screen.
@Gennys
@Gennys 4 жыл бұрын
It's so distracting how fast he talks. I can BARELY understand him :/
@Waitwhat469
@Waitwhat469 4 жыл бұрын
is watching on a slower speed bearable for you?
@ikaros4203
@ikaros4203 4 жыл бұрын
Ok
@bansheeofinisheerin
@bansheeofinisheerin 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe stop playing the victim and work on your listening skills.
Which one will take more 😉
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