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Apple's soldered-in SSDs are engineered in the worst way possible

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Louis Rossmann

Louis Rossmann

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@StephenBuergler
@StephenBuergler Жыл бұрын
when the ssd dies can you pop in a thumb drive and boot off that?
@rossmanngroup
@rossmanngroup Жыл бұрын
Before these models yes. After, no. It won't POST now. The NAND functioning is necessary to the device being usable at all with modern macbooks. You cannot boot off a Debian live USB like you could back in the A1706 days. An A1706 can still boot off a SATA SSD using USBC to SATA adapter, into Mac OS, or Debian, etc. This model can't. T2 firmware is on the NAND, the wear part they soldered to the motherboard. This is called _"innovation"_
@ArnauDisrepair
@ArnauDisrepair Жыл бұрын
@@rossmanngroup the T2 chip is one of the reasons I don't own a MacBook anymore. macOS will run, but Windows and Linux are very unstable [UNDER A T2 MAC], if they even have working drivers. Also, one of my friend's 2018 15" MacBook Pro is dead, probably due to the same reason in this video. His MacBook once refused to boot any Mac OS of any type, only Windows, ironically. He sent it to a repair shop, got it fixed, and it straight up stopped working about a year later. Edit: Clarified in brackets something
@rossmanngroup
@rossmanngroup Жыл бұрын
@@papzcharles dude no way in hell am I taking an hour out of the day to take NAND off a donor board that might have 50 tb of write cycles and giving it to another customer. Not to mention the fun of not being able to tell how much they had - it's a lottery! The customer asks how much space they're getting - _"whatever the donor had"_
@genericscottishchannel1603
@genericscottishchannel1603 Жыл бұрын
@@rossmanngroup We TrUlY lIvE iN aN aGe Of WoNdErS
@Raketenclub
@Raketenclub Жыл бұрын
thats part of the apple thats missing. reliabilitty and repairability. designed to fck da customer.
@kirilangelov9752
@kirilangelov9752 Жыл бұрын
We are really going backwards with tech. One of the most normal things for tech used to be storage expansion or replacement. Not anymore. And consumers did this by not caring enough for features like this, and just buying whatever Apple spits out. I would never get an Apple product because of this reason. Some of their tech is impressive, but their strategy is disgusting. They just need to go away.
@Gurj101
@Gurj101 Жыл бұрын
they are turning laptops into a bigger phone
@gqqggq7127
@gqqggq7127 Жыл бұрын
It's so that you can't go buy an SD card, and instead are forced to buy their over-priced storage for $200 more, or buy a cloud storage subscription. They took out the headphone jack, so you might buy their wireless headphones. And then they stopped including the wireless headphones or the charger in the box, so they could squeeze another 60 bucks.
@zwerne42
@zwerne42 Жыл бұрын
The enshittification of out technology has begun!
@flamestoyershadowkill6400
@flamestoyershadowkill6400 Жыл бұрын
tech peaked upgradability wise somewhere between the early 2000s and 2014
@PurushNahiMahaPurush
@PurushNahiMahaPurush Жыл бұрын
Remember that Woz actually fought with Jobs to include expansion slots in Apple II. Jobs was always a money grabbing douchebag. Once Woz left, you could see the downward decline in Apple design and modularity.
@jamessullenriot
@jamessullenriot Жыл бұрын
Apple (and other companies) build things so that they can't be repaired but need to be replaced (for the most part). Creating a bunch of products that are landfill ready well before they should be. But then they will give a keynote and tells us how environmentally friendly they are 😂😂😂
@FoXIsWithMe
@FoXIsWithMe Жыл бұрын
Aren't those devices repaired to be sold as refurbished??
@Tactical_Taco
@Tactical_Taco Жыл бұрын
They brainwash their employees into believing they actually care about the environment. I asked a “genius” who has been working there 20+ years about why they soldered the SSD’s and he responded with the biggest load of shit saying that soldered SSD’s have better performance
@TCBOT
@TCBOT Жыл бұрын
@@FoXIsWithMe no as there is no way on the new m1/m2 macbooks to replace the nand flash as its locked to the motherboard so even if you remove working nand flash from one MacBook to another
@khoanguyen0001
@khoanguyen0001 Жыл бұрын
@@TCBOT I’m pretty sure he’s referring to the refurbished products that are sold directly from Apple and is from its trade-in program.
@TCBOT
@TCBOT Жыл бұрын
@@khoanguyen0001 even apple cant fix that its the way its made
@friendly0
@friendly0 11 ай бұрын
Apple found a way to sell a car where the tyres are soldered on and convinced their customers to buy a new one when they wear out 😂
@gokublack8342
@gokublack8342 9 ай бұрын
They also Paid extra for Apple to give them poor gas mileage on said cars (having to be fined by EU to start using USBC which has existed for years)
@DrumToTheBassWoop
@DrumToTheBassWoop 8 ай бұрын
Welded on you mean, but yes, Apple would totally do that.
@linardskinard8199
@linardskinard8199 8 ай бұрын
No, that's Tesla
@bigbubba0439
@bigbubba0439 8 ай бұрын
Honestly. The Apple car isn't going to have any repairability, probably will cost 100,000 dollars base model, and will lock you out of it if you don't pay a daily Apple One subscription
@neriozulberti1492
@neriozulberti1492 8 ай бұрын
@@bigbubba0439great comment mate😊
@eddiegardner8232
@eddiegardner8232 10 ай бұрын
Here is Apple's problem: If they used SSDs on plug-in boards instead of soldered-in ball grid arrays, then they couldn't sell you storage at ridiculously high prices. So, they have to do it this way to keep replacing Tim's jet when the carpets get dirty.
@kopasdupas
@kopasdupas Жыл бұрын
In all the years I use computers (30+ years), the hard drives were always the most vulnerable. I had to replace: 6 drives, 2 fans, 1 power supply. If these drives were soldered to the motherboard, I would have to replace whole 6 computers. This is ridiculous!
@Bialy_1
@Bialy_1 Жыл бұрын
Lets be honest here... you need to chage your drives brand if you have 6 drive fails for 6 whole computers. ;) (unless u dropping mechanical drive when its powered)
@dorogomiloff
@dorogomiloff Жыл бұрын
20+ years. can confirm. Not sure how you've managed with just 6 drives. I change mine drives every 3 years or so.
@johnchristopher3032
@johnchristopher3032 Жыл бұрын
6 drives in 30 years, so one every 5 years. That's not ridiculous. And he never mentioned which brand, type, or generation of drives. Or what kind of work environment he used them in, either.
@uis246
@uis246 Жыл бұрын
In 20 years 2 or 3 hard drives, 1 SSD, 0 fans, 1 psu(not that it's broken, but I don't trust it). Hard drives in my experience work longer than SSD, tho it is very small sample.
@methox85
@methox85 Жыл бұрын
i have made the same observation. the hdd or ssd died on me several times in different use cases. my pc, which accidently got drenched in beer while running and which i only noticed when artifacts appeared on screen due a pool of beer liquid forming on the graphics card was shrugging that off without any issues after drying out 0,5L of beer out of the graphics card, motherboard and powersupply , still running strong 2 years later with no issues. hdds? slight bump or no previous issue dying without notice. and apple think its "smart" to solder these in? wow
@rossmanngroup
@rossmanngroup Жыл бұрын
....DFU revive, or restore, did not fix the first a2141... Paul Daniels cursed me. He was right :(
@riklaunim
@riklaunim Жыл бұрын
I watched kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7hnoJeSut6sk4E.html on ways apple M devices can get SSD replace and it's really crazy.
@ZelenoJabko
@ZelenoJabko Жыл бұрын
Also SSD contains my most precious data. I want to take it out in case the device breaks!
@peppybocan
@peppybocan Жыл бұрын
If only there was a law that would prohibit the permanent attachment of wear-and-tear parts...
@Bornchiller123
@Bornchiller123 Жыл бұрын
​@@peppybocanno way, that would make it difficult for manufacturers to plan for when your device shall be obsolete and you be forced into Buying a new one
@umxrr8677
@umxrr8677 Жыл бұрын
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@patiencedvrx
@patiencedvrx Жыл бұрын
Holy crap, even my steam deck has a replaceable SSD, and it's a handheld.
@jonathanc5625
@jonathanc5625 3 ай бұрын
Even the Msi Claw which has the ssd under heatpipes could be replaced, it’s really disgusting these Apple decisions to solder ssds, if you check the design of MacBooks a removable ssd could fit perfectly
@antonkudris
@antonkudris 9 ай бұрын
On my 16" 2019 MBP ssd died in June 2023. I paid nearly 400$ to a 3rd party service to replace it. A year earlier I had to pay nearly 900$ to an authorised service to fix (replace) screen. Needless to say I won't spend my money on ANY new apple hardware in any foreseeable future.
@ismailbessad3479
@ismailbessad3479 3 ай бұрын
was the replacement of the SSD successful on your MacBook ? have you notice any changes after the replacement ?
@rokr0001
@rokr0001 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the only way Apple will ever release a Mac of any sort with a replaceable boot drive is if they are forced to do so by legislation with teeth so sharp and an enforcement mechanism so aggressive it risks violating the Eighth Amendment. European Union, we’re counting on you.
@flamestoyershadowkill6400
@flamestoyershadowkill6400 Жыл бұрын
hopefully macs become more repairable than a t440p because eu legislation. Socketed cpu, gpu, ram, storage, tooless battery swaps etc
@rokr0001
@rokr0001 Жыл бұрын
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 Imagine how awesome socketed Apple Silicon SoCs would be. It’s a shame Apple disagrees…
@flamestoyershadowkill6400
@flamestoyershadowkill6400 Жыл бұрын
@@rokr0001 yeah and apple becoming a cpu manufacturer like amd or intel would be nice. With Aib motherboards for m1 and m2 etc.
@jakublulek3261
@jakublulek3261 Жыл бұрын
European Union of Socialist Republics will do that, no problem, but give them a bit more time. They need to destroy every viable business and enslave it's people first.
@lottedotliew
@lottedotliew Жыл бұрын
Miss the times when the items on a laptop were easily replaceable or user serviceable
@jbeckley6849
@jbeckley6849 Жыл бұрын
In Apple's eyes, the worst engineering decisions made, the better the profits.
@no_name4796
@no_name4796 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, and that's also why they hate right to repair
@cielazul713
@cielazul713 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how Apple HR filters between hiring the typical engineer and an $$$Apple-Quality$$$ engineer. I imagine they just throw a wad of cash on the floor and time how long it takes the engineer to desperately crawl around for it.
@adamtajhassam9188
@adamtajhassam9188 Жыл бұрын
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei just another reason Apple is trash and worth skipping the "apple routine"
@codenamegrs9278
@codenamegrs9278 Жыл бұрын
May meteors hit the greedy peoples' houses over there.
@Ben21756
@Ben21756 Жыл бұрын
@@cielazul713 You'd be hard pressed to find someone willingly pass on the opportunity to work at Apple I would think.
@leokimvideo
@leokimvideo Жыл бұрын
I gave up on Crapple laptops after the first MacBook Pros that had the touch bar. Logic board failed within a year. Keyboard went bad within the next year. It was this model where I started to understand the nightmare of soldered in components. If something goes bust the unit becomes a throw away. So consumer 0, Apple 1. This is a very profitable business model.
@user-vt6td9hp3g
@user-vt6td9hp3g 11 ай бұрын
You really enjoy making stuff up don't you.
@SPARTAN.JEROME-092
@SPARTAN.JEROME-092 10 ай бұрын
Just buy a 1,200 Gaming Laptop
@hardcodedreborn9650
@hardcodedreborn9650 10 ай бұрын
​@@SPARTAN.JEROME-092nope gaming laptops on windows is awful, better get framework laptop on Linux with gnome de. Similar to macos/windows, better battery life and gestures. On gaming laptops you will get like 2 hours of battery lnao
@SPARTAN.JEROME-092
@SPARTAN.JEROME-092 10 ай бұрын
@@hardcodedreborn9650 That will happen with any gaming laptop, because games are way to demanding
@juanvera4122
@juanvera4122 10 ай бұрын
Actually Apple 2 cause they figure people will buy another one.
@TheAlfaMan
@TheAlfaMan Жыл бұрын
I was about to buy a MacBook M1 coz it is kind of affordable for me now ...then I decided to research a little bit about the problems of MacBooks ...then I came to know about the SSD issues .... Finally looking for a windows pc ...thanks to the creator like you.. you are doing great work
@lucasrem
@lucasrem Жыл бұрын
You Africa people better buy the wii U ! apple is the Alpha system !
@alexyoungbased
@alexyoungbased Жыл бұрын
to be honest, the m1 is still an amazing piece of gear. i’ve had zero issues with it for three years. I use external SSDs for the most part however.
@The1996Shadow
@The1996Shadow 11 ай бұрын
I’ve had issues with my SSDs after less than a year
@Gelembfi
@Gelembfi 10 ай бұрын
@@The1996Shadow what issues exactly?
@The1996Shadow
@The1996Shadow 10 ай бұрын
@@Gelembfi somehow it got corrupted and completely stopped working. Luckily I back up regularly and it was still under warranty so I came out of it fine. But I still had to wait like two weeks for it to be fixed and now I’m deeply worried about the lifespan of my laptop which was a huge investment for me
@scpatl4now
@scpatl4now Жыл бұрын
Every time that Apple tries to play the "green card" remember all the things that they design to fail, or be unrepairable that will end up in a landfill somewhere. You can't call your company green or net zero when you can't repair your offerings.
@djtecthreat
@djtecthreat Жыл бұрын
What's frustrating is- It's not like we're waiting for better technology to improve this situation. They literally engineered this backwards to prevent repair of the devices. And as the landfill gets fuller of repairable laptops, cell phones, tablets, whatever.. They'll all preach their "green initiatives" to us.
@splitprissm9339
@splitprissm9339 Жыл бұрын
"waste more greener!"
@fearlesswee5036
@fearlesswee5036 Жыл бұрын
Buh-buh-buh they're using 10% recycled plastic in the body of their e-waste bait laptops! They're literally saving da earf!!!
@virtualworldsbyloff
@virtualworldsbyloff Жыл бұрын
What's frustrating is that people keep buying Apple shit, feeding their attitude
@davidbiagini9048
@davidbiagini9048 Жыл бұрын
Apple is gradually eliminating the availability of used Macs.
@splitprissm9339
@splitprissm9339 Жыл бұрын
@@davidbiagini9048 yes, which they will sell us as keeping people from using older energy inefficient gear :) Just as they sell measures that mostly sabotage bulk surplus/recycler/business liquidation sales of used equipment as theft protection.
@csn3391
@csn3391 Жыл бұрын
Everytime I get close to buying a MacBook I get a much needed reality check from Louis. Thank you! Had my 2019 Dell XPS 15 repasted last week and feel like I have a new laptop. I was blaming the age of the machine for months for being slow and never considered such a simple and affordable maintenance procedure. Telling everyone to consider repasting their old machines and getting a few more years out of them.
@willm5032
@willm5032 Жыл бұрын
I need to repaste my laptop actually, thanks for the reminder haha
@russellmontielmontojo1974
@russellmontielmontojo1974 Жыл бұрын
well u nid to repaste ur old comp instead of buying. it will save u a lot of money.
@willm5032
@willm5032 Жыл бұрын
@@russellmontielmontojo1974 Up to a point yeah. It'll make it run better but ultimately all hardware will become obsolete
@NightMotorcyclist
@NightMotorcyclist 8 ай бұрын
I got my reality check back in 2007 when I bought my first and last Macbook. I will spend less and get more with Windows or Linux based systems that have higher end GPUs, ample RAM (with many still giving you the option to expand it later on) and NVMe drives I can replace (for now).
@alpzepta
@alpzepta 8 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠​⁠@@NightMotorcyclistI was a guy with a Used IBM Thinkpad T43P back in 2007. best decision in the world. I still own it to these day
@snowhawkthorne630
@snowhawkthorne630 11 ай бұрын
The first new computer I bought myself was a 2010 MacBook Pro. Loved that thing to bits. So many ports and super easy to replace the hard drive, DVD drive, and battery. "Upgraded" to a 2017 MacBook Pro 15" and it's become one of my biggest regrets. Swollen battery and the iFixit guide shows like 500 steps to fix the thing. Apple Support said the only way to fix it is to replace the entire top case. I've since built a PC with an AMD 5600G, been stuffing it full of cheap, fast m.2 storage and loving life. Still don't totally love Windows but it does what I need it to.
@ronlevin2339
@ronlevin2339 Жыл бұрын
the problem is that SSD not only soldered, but serialized. You cannot just replace the NAND with any NAND from other MacBook, it has to be from specific place in donor MacBook (e.g. if you have 4 SSD modules there, and 2-d is died, you can have to replace all 4 of them in the same order as in donor one). This is what new serialization in M1 M2 does. in Intel T2 MacBook's, NAND chips can be at least reprogramed, so any chip can be used. in new M1 and M2, you are screwed
@driedbrainfreeze2149
@driedbrainfreeze2149 Жыл бұрын
yeah that is complete bs
@luckychukiye8743
@luckychukiye8743 Жыл бұрын
exactly
@johnmimbs5289
@johnmimbs5289 Жыл бұрын
the more I read the worse it gets 🤣 i have refused to service apple products for the most part for the last decade, and that decision is reinforced daily as I watch these passion of the christ style videos of human suffering.
@MRJMXHD
@MRJMXHD Жыл бұрын
​@@johnmimbs5289lmao
@309electronics5
@309electronics5 Жыл бұрын
Its apple they create the problem and let people buy new things thats their solution, yay even more polution in the air by factories, even more Resources needed from the earth, environmentally friendly? Ha apple likes landfills to much they even belong there!
@TheSteveTheDragon
@TheSteveTheDragon Жыл бұрын
Yes, permanently solder a drive that only has 10k write cycles in its lifetime! Good thinking!
@GeordiLaForgery
@GeordiLaForgery Жыл бұрын
I heard in Apple Headquarters the toilet paper is soldered onto the cubicle doors and they have to replace the door everytime it runs out.
@horiciOwO
@horiciOwO Жыл бұрын
@@GeordiLaForgery They just build a new headquarters when it comes to that
@cartanfan-youtube
@cartanfan-youtube Жыл бұрын
Genius!
@Warp3326
@Warp3326 Жыл бұрын
And then they are like "We Love the environment! Wasting stuff bad!1111!1@@horiciOwO
@KingOfKYA
@KingOfKYA Жыл бұрын
I also don't get how theses devices are already hitting limits, I have had a SSD in my windows pc that was being abused with pagefile and massive transfers over and over. And its like 8 years old and I have only used up about 15% of its flash write life. That's kind of death this early would make me think your running a database or something like it on production server. Not something I would expect on a facebook machine. Or a poorly optimized non dram ssd.
@blackrifle6736
@blackrifle6736 Жыл бұрын
*"...and maybe I'll move back to NYC and start a business again." Louis, that said it all. Also, from this PC guy's perspective your product knowledge, right down to board numbers is truly impressive. Thank you for inviting us into your repair lab. Oh, and you are one hell of a raconteur. Cheers!*
@lucasrem
@lucasrem Жыл бұрын
That lab guy, muahahahaha, if he could glue a SAS driver on ATA ports, he would sell it below apple prices Why you need this weirdo guy ?
@bigMax1337
@bigMax1337 Жыл бұрын
Soldered in SSDs or emmc is sadly becoming a thing outside of the apple world especially with some if the arm Notebooks that can be about as expansive as a macbook. It's very sad to see that change.
@picblick
@picblick Жыл бұрын
The first things I check when buying a laptop: * Is the SSD soldered on the Mainboard? * Is the RAM soldered on the Mainboard? * Is the Battery glued? * Are there fewer than 2 RAM slots? If the answer to one of these questions is yes, I immediately move on.
@EmmettBrown9
@EmmettBrown9 Жыл бұрын
These criteria focus on the upgradability and repairability of the laptop's key components. Soldered SSD: The commenter prefers laptops where the SSD (Solid State Drive) is not soldered onto the motherboard. Soldered storage components can make it challenging or impossible for users to upgrade or replace the SSD, limiting future storage expansion. Soldered RAM: Similarly, the commenter looks for laptops with user-upgradeable RAM (Random Access Memory) that is not soldered onto the motherboard. Soldered RAM prevents users from easily increasing the laptop's memory, potentially limiting its performance and longevity. Glued Battery: The commenter considers whether the laptop's battery is glued in place. Glued batteries can be difficult to replace or remove, and they may require professional assistance for battery replacement. RAM Slot Availability: The commenter prefers laptops with at least two RAM slots. This allows for more flexibility in upgrading or expanding the laptop's memory in the future.
@NormanF62
@NormanF62 Жыл бұрын
That’s true of consumer grade laptops. On the other hand, mobile workstations are designed to be upgradeable and repairable.
@iitzfizz
@iitzfizz Жыл бұрын
I just bought a new laptop, I wanted the Swift 3 so I ordered it, it had 8GB of RAM I was planning on adding another 8 like I did with my 2018 Swift 3, I was browsing some articles after I ordered it only to realise that now on the new Swift the RAM is all soldered on with no chance of adding more. I know my 2018 model had 8GB soldered but you could add more, which was alright. Glad I hadn't opened it! I ended up returning it and getting the Aspire 5 instead which came with 16GB of RAM (2 slots, 8GB in each none of it soldered) and chance to expand to 32GB, and it has 2 M.2 slots as well which is nice. All this soldered on stuff in laptops annoying. Especially when the specs are not enough, 8GB of RAM will never do for windows 11 and going forward. They do do a 16GB model apparently but they didn't have it on the site I was looking on.
@RikuKawai
@RikuKawai Жыл бұрын
My 2022 ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 AMD unfortunately doesn't have replaceable RAM, but it's because it has LPDDR5 for which SODIMMs don't exist because it's quad channel. It was a bit of a peeve to me but I just optioned the maxed out 32GB. The battery is easily removable with screws and the SSD is a standard M.2 so it was the only thing not meeting these criteria. Interestingly the Intel version of this laptop does have semi-socketed RAM, it has one channel soldered and the other channel replaceable, but it's slower DDR4.
@ChrisTian-sd5yq
@ChrisTian-sd5yq Жыл бұрын
then get a framework
@chriswinslow
@chriswinslow Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your warnings about Apple’s shoddy practices. I was going to fork out £3,000 ($3,500) for a MacBook Pro, but after watching your warning videos, it’s now clear they have been designed to die quickly and die hard they will, due to its non-user swappable storage. I’ll be sticking to PC’s with there 100% user repairability/upgrade design for the foreseeable future.
@josephj6521
@josephj6521 Жыл бұрын
Another advantage of avoiding macs. Your wallet.
@rtbear674
@rtbear674 Жыл бұрын
with pc laptop, I just put extra 4tb ssd for $170. which I can just replace whenever I need it
@bagasfabianmaulana
@bagasfabianmaulana Жыл бұрын
@@josephj6521 Nah, Nowadays good windows laptops are as expensive as those macbooks. But still I will choose Windows because of expandability and easy to fix. I just install hackintosh on my Windows PC if I need macOS LOL.
@j_shelby_damnwird
@j_shelby_damnwird Жыл бұрын
Maybe you meant "foreseeable"? Way things are going, the future doesn't look very "formidable"...
@sigmamale4147
@sigmamale4147 Жыл бұрын
@@bagasfabianmaulana no lol
@NaudVanDalen
@NaudVanDalen Жыл бұрын
You can't replace the battery, RAM and even storage on a Macbook while my old Lenovo laptop does allow all of that. Changing the battery only requires flipping 2 switches. No disassembly required. I recently replaced my old corrupted HDD with an SSD and it's a massive difference. Luckily the data was recoverable with DMDE.
@tekman4932
@tekman4932 Жыл бұрын
I have a Lenovo p-50 and noticed it reads/writes usb 3 external ssd faster than Mac mini m1.
@VikasGupta-bx5qv
@VikasGupta-bx5qv Жыл бұрын
Glad to see you are making technical videos again.
@00700556
@00700556 Жыл бұрын
I was a tech at a store (Experimac) when in 2016 they had the new redesign I realized how dumb this was. The store owner told me “Apple wouldn’t do anything that would jeopardize their product in a bad state”. He was a die hard apple fan. I was like “What happened in 2011 with the graphic cards in the 1286? Either way this AFFECTS YOU because what is your business going to do if you can’t replace ram and SSDs?” He had nothing to say. 2023, his business does not exist.
@codenamegrs9278
@codenamegrs9278 Жыл бұрын
my idea exactly ever since i heard about the soldered SSD. anybody who choses to solder SSDs onto the mainboard should be ignored until he goes bankrupt and thinks more about the choices he made.
@KingOfKYA
@KingOfKYA Жыл бұрын
Don't worry users are always really good at backing up files so it will never be an issue right....
@4040c500
@4040c500 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@codenamegrs9278
@codenamegrs9278 Жыл бұрын
@@KingOfKYA people that are like :" well it doesn't really matter cause i just back up my files so it's alright" are such a big part of the problem....
@konkeydonged
@konkeydonged 9 ай бұрын
Never in my life have I ever thought to myself, "you know what, me, I really want/need [insert any Apple product here]"
@NeptuneSega
@NeptuneSega Жыл бұрын
This was absolutely done on purpose. There’s no way they have some of the best engineers in the word to ultimately make a wear part, soldiered in. Malicious, and to add to that they act like they are a green company, when in fact this is made so that you have to replace the whole machine.
@ahmedalshamsi1150
@ahmedalshamsi1150 Жыл бұрын
They have the best engineers in the world to make components wear in a timely manner (Average of two years to buy the next apple product)
@Deathrape2001
@Deathrape2001 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they haven't put in a chip 2 make all their stuff fail the day after the warranty runs out. Don't worry ~ Apple is not a 'tech' company but a suicide cult, just like they worship phagz. The clowns will keep buying them as a symbol of their masochism, like voting democrat.
@geraf33
@geraf33 Жыл бұрын
This is the price you pay for using Apple products.
@gertwallen
@gertwallen Жыл бұрын
Of course it is, in the same way they delay improvements or new features so to spread the hype over several years. Apple is as expensive as living in the Big Apple
@Deathrape2001
@Deathrape2001 Жыл бұрын
​@@gertwallen Fascinating Louis doesn't simply subcontract laptop & phone makers 2 do 'hackintosh' versions = so people can load whatever they want & with reliable hardware & flexibility like removable battery, easy transfer of files via USB cable, etc.
@silitekmodder5681
@silitekmodder5681 Жыл бұрын
SSDs are consumable. It's like gluing the roll of paper into a printer
@adamtajhassam9188
@adamtajhassam9188 Жыл бұрын
what a way to kill a ssd , how iswhat ur saying remotely helpful? its not.
@silitekmodder5681
@silitekmodder5681 Жыл бұрын
@@adamtajhassam9188 SSD has limited write cycles.
@Idiomatick
@Idiomatick Жыл бұрын
Or like making it so you can't just pour fresh ink into a printer... oh wait....
@Teluric2
@Teluric2 Жыл бұрын
​@@silitekmodder5681yeh go defend apple.
@rumar4u
@rumar4u Жыл бұрын
Are there ways to limit write cycles from Internal NAND and offload them to external drives like web browsers cache ?
@Cromwell224
@Cromwell224 3 ай бұрын
I know in Linux you can edit your ftsab file to handle that stuff in tmpfs on your actual memory, but at the tradeoff of loosing all your cache whenever you reboot. But if you're using Windows, I don't know what to tell you
@sambramann
@sambramann 9 ай бұрын
I'm still on a mid 2014 MacBook Pro and have replaced the battery, had Louis' co fix the water damage (logic-board level) a few years ago and recently swapped in a 2 TB SSD (from original 256 GB which I now have in an enclosure for extra storage) - retina display is still beautiful and knowing I can do most repairs myself is definitely nice. Runs perfectly fine for what I need.
@louicruz88
@louicruz88 Жыл бұрын
I am one of the lucky ones with an A2141 that was recovered by your team. I shited myself when I noticed that ssd shorts were common on this model. I tried to ask the tech what was wrong with it but no response. Nonetheless I’m a happy customer!! Thank you for what you do and missed these type of board repair type of videos.
@TheSleepLes
@TheSleepLes Жыл бұрын
In the old days, things like this were caused by lack of skill on the assemblers’ side or design mistake. Do you get the feeling that, now, things like this are caused by intentional building in faults into our electronics out of greed and I’ll intent bordering on malice? I do.
@monsterhunter445
@monsterhunter445 Жыл бұрын
Still the same if you think apple is purposefully making errors?
@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286
@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286 Жыл бұрын
Yes, exactly. I needed to disassemble the whole computer to change out the keyboard of a relatively modern Asus laptop, on the old laptop I have laying around changing the keyboard is just a matter of removing 2 screws, putting in a new one and screwing them back on again. As companies get greedier and greedier their products get shittier and shittier...
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 Жыл бұрын
Fluid protection would go a long way toward preventing these kinds of problems.
@scifino1
@scifino1 Жыл бұрын
Apple has decades of experience in doing this on purpose. "Planned obsolescence" is the keyword for this. What do you think why Apple's devices usually don't have removable batteries?
@stephengrey1880
@stephengrey1880 Жыл бұрын
Studied Electronics design at university and was taught about the "bathtub curve", which is failure rate of a device on the Y axis plotted against time on the X.. It looks like a bathtub where early failures on the left of the graph are high and don't pass QA, the graph levels off for a while then devices start failing and the failure rate rises again... The interesting thing is the right hand side of the curve and the time before the failure rate increases.. this can be tuned. With inventive component choices etc. the life of the device can be severely reduced. TV backlights are tuned to last about 2 years by adding phosphor to the blue LED's to make them glow white and leaving them exposed to the air. This causes the picture to turn blue slowly over about 2 years which is subtle and most people don't notice the degradation.. until someone mentions it then it cant be unseen. The engineering is sound, its just not good humaneering.
@dc2akira
@dc2akira 2 ай бұрын
I love the juxtaposition between the “hey guys hope you’re having a lovely day“ intro and the clear contained rage and discussed towards these companies and their business practices.
@TechSY730
@TechSY730 Жыл бұрын
The jacket vs underwear distinction for two different level of "used" for clothes is frickin' brilliant. Of course, as with all analogies, it isn't perfect, but it is a great example of how "used" should be treated does not mean the same thing every time.
@Warp3326
@Warp3326 Жыл бұрын
The fact that they even soldiered in a ssd even if its a good SSD is already a bad thing, even if I bought the best sdd in the world I wouldnt want or have it soldiered in place
@gblargg
@gblargg Жыл бұрын
What's next, wanting to be able to upgrade the RAM sticks with larger ones? /s
@danielkek9892
@danielkek9892 Жыл бұрын
@@gblargg huh?
@goncaloduarte4683
@goncaloduarte4683 Жыл бұрын
​@@gblarggwith RAM there's at least a reason to go for soldered RAM, the same can't be said for SSDs.
@josesardinas7660
@josesardinas7660 Жыл бұрын
Exactly why I call Apple MacBook Pros "tablets with permanently attached keyboards and missing touchscreen" because that's what they are. 🙂
@av3ng3r-49
@av3ng3r-49 Жыл бұрын
​@@gblarggwhoa there buddy, next you'll be suggesting the end user has rights..
@BunkerSquirrel
@BunkerSquirrel Жыл бұрын
Any component with a measurable shelf life should be serviceable (non-volatile memeory, batteries, electrolytic caps, buttons, etc.)
@gdmoore
@gdmoore 7 ай бұрын
I could listen to you read the phone book. Excellent speaker.
@DelmaRaySmithJr
@DelmaRaySmithJr 2 ай бұрын
damn, you are one of those people I can't imagine not having watched your work, Thank you Louis!
@likoetsvp
@likoetsvp Жыл бұрын
Apple makes me want to support Framework more and more every day.
@lucasrem
@lucasrem Жыл бұрын
That lab guy is too cheap for apple, glue on the SAS drive and it work in the video..... So fuck this mad guy hard ! Just to stupid !
@AraiDigital
@AraiDigital 11 ай бұрын
@spartian1176never because ecosystem!!!! Must have all the devices linked together!!! Stinky poopoo Android and Windows!!! Eww!! /s
@harrison00xXx
@harrison00xXx 9 ай бұрын
Except that Framework and Fairphone are just "scams". Framework laptops are just "modular", but i dont see much of a difference in replacing a computing unit, only manufacturered by Framework or changing a MacBook Pros logic-board, pretty much the same, except that one cared about easy repair and at the other device its a hassle (but possible!) Same goes for smartphones and Fairphone nonsense, in fact Fairphone doesnt do anything different than others, except selling the components to customers for DIY repairs unlike Apple...
@miyui9269
@miyui9269 9 ай бұрын
fairphone sucks. why buy a slow upgradeable phone when you can just buy a faster one at a cheaper price than the upgrade with at least a water resistance rating?
@SharienGaming
@SharienGaming 9 ай бұрын
@@miyui9269 because you have a conscience and dont want to cause mountains of unnecessary ewaste? because one might have an interest in everyone involved in making your gear being compensated fairly for your work? like... sure you can make these way cheaper... if you dont bother with fire safety in your factory... and forced labour... and child labour... and workplace safety in the mines your raw materials come from... if you are fine with a mountain of human suffering replacing a little bit of the price you pay for a phone... then sure its a bad deal
@stevesgaming7475
@stevesgaming7475 Жыл бұрын
Let's be honest here, it's done on purpose because they know the majority of apple users will just bin it and buy a new one.
@MasonPayne
@MasonPayne Жыл бұрын
This video was great! I really like seeing the expert do what I would be way too nervous to do to my own computers.
@saccaed
@saccaed Жыл бұрын
I have never owned a soldered main memory or SSD pc and intend to keep it that way. If there is some future breakthrough that improves reliability by ~100x, maybe then I would consider. For phones I can tolerate the soldered components but that doesn't mean I like it. I've had a couple phones die from memory issues that I would have still used otherwise.
@TheDiner50
@TheDiner50 Жыл бұрын
Not sure about soldered main memory. I mean sure if we accept it you bet they are making sure it brakes the moment warranty is up! Even now there is so many attack vectors they can take without being obvious like that. Far more impressed that not more stuff is designed to fail within say 4-5 years. With a warranty time of 3. Like it is silly for a desktop or server/workstation to use solder down memory. Have returned faulty out of the factory sticks so many times. But rarely do they brake after surviving passed warranty. What actually is more important is to make sure laws are put in place to extend warranty and make sure we do not find ourselves without a warranty of being screwed over. Aka solder down storage. Or planned to fail/obsolesce. That is the hole reason Apple is doing this. To make sure the used makred dies. We know this already. User storage? It should not even be allowed to sell a device with solder down storage. Like if it is a smart device let alone a freaking laptop? It should not have any storage solder down. Not even BIOS chips etc. It might be a problem on smartphones but really at the very least they should give you a SD card slot or just some kind of removable storage. You do not need your photos or personal stuff in the cloud or on super fast solder down storage. No. And cloud storage should not be a requirement for backups. That is not a excuse for soldering private data down. Never buying a computer with solder down storage. Out of the question. Or where the OS is off limits to the user. Bad enough with the stuff going on in the hardware itself. Flash a BIOS and something go wrong? Time to toss the motherboard! Grate. It is going to take allot before SATA III standard is going to be acceptable to remove from my machines. Like to imagine paying a premium just to buy a machine with a soldered down M.2 SSD is... I already consider M.2 storage devices to be soldered down storage. And only good for non personal files. It is like smartphones internal storage. It is there for performance and that is it. It is part of the main memory. Solder anything storage down and it is a faulty machine for me. No excuses in doing it. NONE. Performance in storage do not win over private user files being accessible. Not to mention how if it is not replaceable it is as said a wear item that dies before the rest of the machine. At least the worst item that can fail on you. So being able to replace it before it fails is a mandatory thing needed. Or it is a NO BUY.
@saccaed
@saccaed Жыл бұрын
@@TheDiner50 Storage, no matter the medium, is best done in redundancy. NVME storage is great but is not going to last forever. All storage though is consumable. Soldered main memory and secondary storage causes a device to just become completely unusable. Adding to matters, soldering secondary storage does not add to performance in any way. DDR5 memory currently is the only example of main memory where soldering offers performance and that is due to lack of a connection standard update(which is being worked on).
@owlstead
@owlstead Жыл бұрын
@@saccaed Yeah, but there are a lot of components that are required. I don't see high RAM failure rates anymore. However, soldered SSD's have a lot of problems, if just for data rescue / destruction. To be honest, I don't see much of a problem with TBW as most people will never even get close.
@LAndrewsChannel
@LAndrewsChannel Жыл бұрын
@@saccaed I doubt it is "lack of a connection standard" that limits the performance, it is more of a physical limitation. You can have all the bandwidth in the world, but the latency will be the hard limit to how much useful data you can work with in a timeframe, especially for lots of small data transfers. This can only be solved by having the RAM chips physically closer to the processor as longer traces will introduce more latency. But yes, for storage, there is no excuse to have it soldered (besides having the thinnest machine which is not that relevant for most people anyway).
@saccaed
@saccaed Жыл бұрын
@@LAndrewsChannel Your right about latency however pertaining to DDR5 and soldered memory it is a byproduct of an old standard lacking in performance for an intended application. Dell has their own swappable DDR5 modules that could replace the outdated SO DIMM standard for laptops. Desktop DDR5 memory modules are mostly unaffected as there are not the same size constraints as in something like a laptop.
@OShackHennessy
@OShackHennessy Жыл бұрын
As cool as the M series chips are I just can’t get past the fact that you can’t replace or upgrade anything.
@jonasduell9953
@jonasduell9953 Жыл бұрын
you should literally watch LTT benchmarking M2 vs M1 vs a 13900k + RTX 4090, their silicon is inferior and other than the form factor, a beefy PC for the same price or even cheaper wipes the floor with Apple. You get standardized and fully modular hardware in case you need to replace something... Apple is literally a laughing stock by now if it wasn't for the cult of followers that literally keep them alive and well.
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat
@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Жыл бұрын
Same here
@OShackHennessy
@OShackHennessy 11 ай бұрын
@@MultiTacs they work great until you have an issue then you’re stuck paying big bucks for a $30 ssd. SSD’s are a consumable and not meant to run forever.
@robertkennedy8503
@robertkennedy8503 10 ай бұрын
@@OShackHennessy Exactly, like tires on a car, but trying to convice an apple cultist is a futile exercise.
@OShackHennessy
@OShackHennessy 10 ай бұрын
@@robertkennedy8503 that sure seems to be the case. Oh hey my computer works right now but if I ever need more storage or RAM I’ll just drop another 3 grand. Oh and I’ll pray my ssd never goes bad. I guess the other option is to pay for a perpetual warranty so you can waste another $400/year to replace that $30 ssd.
@Aser6000
@Aser6000 Жыл бұрын
The Microsoft Surface tablet has an easily replaceable M.2 SSD. If Microsoft could fit that in a tablet, then Apple could easily fit it into a Macbook.
@cr34t0red7
@cr34t0red7 8 ай бұрын
there is literally nothing worse than microsoft surface tablets, regardless of what they have in it! :-D :-D :-D
@doctornotprofessor
@doctornotprofessor 8 ай бұрын
​@@cr34t0red7it's still stupid how they manage one factor that immediately makes it more useful than a Macbook, regardless of whether the device sucks or not
@NMRH258
@NMRH258 Жыл бұрын
On a somewhat similar note: Sony also internally solders in the main SSD on their PlayStation 5 consoles.
@gokublack8342
@gokublack8342 9 ай бұрын
AND Xbox series consoles while not soldered will only accept a specific sku ssd that ofc isn't publicly available!
@maxsens_7374
@maxsens_7374 Жыл бұрын
I don't mind soldered components but the thing that annoys me is that these things are locked, software/key locked so that it can never be repaired. Like wtf, I own this device and I can do whatever I want.
@asakayosapro
@asakayosapro Жыл бұрын
This is why people need to wisen up and speak with their wallets. *Buy the better product.* If people keep buying these self-destructive pieces of e-waste, its just enabling the apple greedcorp to make more of them instead of pulling their heads out of their cornholes to actually make better products.
@systemchris
@systemchris Жыл бұрын
The SSD life is lower on macs as well because macos heavily uses it as spare ram
@pizzablender
@pizzablender Жыл бұрын
Probably also because RAM is not expandable and rather expensive. 8 GB of non-expandable RAM on a $1300 laptop? Really? A 16 GB model seems to start at $2000. Again, non-expandable.
@vigour6786
@vigour6786 11 ай бұрын
In 5 years from now everything on the MacBooks will be outdated. There will be faster and more capacity memory sticks on the market that wouldn't even be able to be added to any older laptops. Why would you sacrifice continuity and reliability on a product for the "possibility" to upgrade some parts of a laptop that are outdated? That's like upgrading a rusty 1970 Ford with an Apple Car play and a touch screen infotainment unit, sure it'll make part of the entire thing better but it won't change how outdated it is.
@systemchris
@systemchris 11 ай бұрын
@@vigour6786 old ram is easy to come by, and it's usually quite reliable these days... Why should technology be 100% disposable when we should be trying to reduce, reuse and recycle. Many people use their computer just to look things up, check their email and do a bit of work on. .. that really isn't that demanding on the technology tbh
@JoelHernandez-tz3vk
@JoelHernandez-tz3vk 9 ай бұрын
​@@vigour6786Oh yes. "Reliability".
@nicolaspaglione
@nicolaspaglione 8 ай бұрын
@@vigour6786ram upgrades are much more common than you think and hardware doesn’t age that fast
@kennethbarr6842
@kennethbarr6842 11 ай бұрын
NICE TO SEE YOU BACK DUDE THE MAN>
@chrisl4999
@chrisl4999 Жыл бұрын
I wish we could instantly transfer knowledge from one person to the next. The amount of electronics info in your head is amazing
@DanielPeev02
@DanielPeev02 Жыл бұрын
Louis, you are 2 weeks late with this video 😂. I was thinking about buying an M2 Macbook Air because i recently landed a good engineering job and finally had the means to buy more expensive device. I never had Apple products, so i started looking for what is good and what is bad for the device. Saw that it overheats and found i can attach some thermal pads to transfer the heat to the metal frame of the laptop. I even designed a small metal plate that goes inside the laptop to add more cooling capacity with SolidWorks. Then i saw that the midnight blue scratches like hell because Apple didn't put any protective layer of coating around the ports. I found a way to solve that too, with different clear coating materials. Then i found the SSD was soldered to the motherboard, which made me extremely mad. A soldered RAM is annoying, but i can live with that. Ram has a long life, and i don't expect it to fail if at all. Bite SSD's are more like when than if. So i said to myself ''Fine, i have soldering experience i am going to solder new ones when this fails and then i saw all the property crap they put and you are not even able to buy new Nan chips. This was the last nail for me buying the device. Excuse me, but i am paying quite the money for this laptop. This device felt soo flawed that i had to be an engineer and try to solve so many issues to try justify buying it, and even then, it didn't work out. How can Apple engineer this product so bad that it feels like you are paying this premium price just for the experience to start engineering solutions to thei problems. I dont see how anyone can buy such e-waste. Thank you for reading.
@linusgoblin
@linusgoblin Жыл бұрын
People that are clueless about all the issues you mention buy it.
@PokerFart
@PokerFart Жыл бұрын
That's kind of the idea. Apple wants you to buy a new Mac every 2-3 years. Similarly, I just realized the entire plot of Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was about "Right to Repair". The heros spent 90% of the movie trying to overcome the DRM preventing them from saving Rockets' life.
@pooofykittens
@pooofykittens 10 ай бұрын
It truly sucks that with M1 and M2 they built laptops that are miles ahead of x86 machines in terms of performance and efficiency, and with incredible mini-LED screens on top of that, but still chose to adopt iPad and iPhone levels of integration as well as predatory engineering decisions like this. I understand RAM being on SOC in direct vicinity from GPU and CPU cores. I even somewhat understand SSD controller being inside the SOC, although not happy with that. But soldering NAND chips is just unreasonable, let alone making it impossible to boot without functioning NAND. I was somewhat relieved when I saw NAND sticks in Mac Studio, but something tells me it's not going to be like that forever.
@AbidAli-bo8sv
@AbidAli-bo8sv 8 ай бұрын
What's the benefits of "miles ahead in performance" if it will last only a few years?
@pooofykittens
@pooofykittens 8 ай бұрын
@@AbidAli-bo8sv not a few years. For bigger drives and average workload, it’ll take waaay more than 10 years to hit the drive limits. The problem is that SSD fail prematurely, and in that case I’m not even sure if re-balling from a donor laptop would work, given Apple’s anti-repair stance. And what’s the point? Well, I’ve dealt with various laptops, including expensive business models, workstations with decent screens etc. I’d still prefer the current MBP, especially given the M3 Max performance. I like everything about MBP except soldered SSD and that’s why I refuse to upgrade. If they switch to NAND modules like in Mac Studio or Mac Pro, I’d pull the trigger easily. And I’m not anti-windows at all, I like Windows and I want to build a hybrid workstation / gaming desktop in small form factor myself. But for laptop it’s MBP only.
@LIZARDKISSRHETORIC
@LIZARDKISSRHETORIC Жыл бұрын
can't believe you actually said "sometimes switching it off and on again works" with a straight face. 🙂
@xoso599
@xoso599 Жыл бұрын
I'll never get tired of hearing Apple always taking the worst choice for it's customers.
@johnmicheal3547
@johnmicheal3547 Жыл бұрын
Abusive relationship.
@kesamek8537
@kesamek8537 Жыл бұрын
The customers they target are too lazy/brainwashed/stupid/under-educated to care.
@PaulMiller-mn3me
@PaulMiller-mn3me Жыл бұрын
They really are terrible. They want their machines to go in a landfill after five years so you buy another one
@EgoChip
@EgoChip Жыл бұрын
It just shows how stupid people are when Apple are still one of the biggest companies.
@Deathrape2001
@Deathrape2001 Жыл бұрын
I'm very thankful 2 (((Ro$$mann))) 4 doing that bit on Linus Tech tips about all the $abotage in the iMacs, & the other '#BuiltForFailure' vids on his channel saved me lots of time I would have potentially WA$TED learning about Mac & stuff = pointless. Stick 2 Windows PCs on 7 or XP. Everything after that is unusable krap 2.
@scar3sl
@scar3sl Жыл бұрын
The sad thing about this is, that there is a high likelyhood that you can not even take the NAND chips from a donor board even if you would want to. I can tell you from experience, that in a big'ish company you have multiple sources for your components like that. So you buy a percentage from Micron, Hynix and Samsung. And chances are, that the chips are not compatible with each other because they likely require either a different configuration of the controller because of different timings (Yes there are standards but i've created multiple driver profiles for different NAND chips in the past because company X does Y different and that causes problems) or have a different Layout of the Pages and OOB area and where that is located. Also, there is a standard how to handle factory badblocks but that is, more often then not also vendor specific. I think this is a huge pain in the ass from the consumer POV and the reason why they are soldering on the NAND / SSD is GREED. It robs you of the ability of upgrading storage after the fact. Want to have more storage? Fork over more cash. Oh its broken after warranty? Fork over more cash! OH THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH YOUR STORAGE?? FORK OVER MORE CASH. thats what it is. Its cheaper and they have more ways of bleeding you dry. If they had done that shit 20 years ago, they would have went out of business. Nowadays all these Hipsters buy Macbooks to be cool and "in" and they dont even know what kind of garbage hardware they're buying. Rant over ;)
@EmmettBrown9
@EmmettBrown9 Жыл бұрын
soldering the storage components onto the motherboard makes it extremely difficult for consumers to upgrade or replace their storage after purchase. They mention that in larger companies, different sources of components are used, and there can be incompatibilities between different chips from various manufacturers, making swapping NAND chips infeasible even if someone wanted to attempt it. The commenter believes that the practice of soldering storage components is driven by greed, as it limits consumers' options and forces them to buy higher-capacity models or pay for expensive repairs or replacements when issues arise. They criticize this approach as a way for companies to extract more money from customers. The comment also expresses dissatisfaction with the trend of some people buying Macbooks without fully understanding the hardware limitations or the implications of soldered components.
@okesik
@okesik Жыл бұрын
The only SSD that died on me was an old Intel SSD, 60GB, because there's not much room to spread the writes into given such a small capacity. It died after 9 years of daily driving Windows 7.. My second oldest SSD from 2015 sits at 220+TB host writes (500GB Samsung SATA drive). All my other SSDs have 20+TB host writes (mostly 500GB capacity and one 2TB drive). Even laptops I maintain for my family have old SSDs that do not show any signs of dying. How is the failure rate in Apple products this high ?
@netrunner1987
@netrunner1987 9 ай бұрын
I totally agree, no more e-waste. SSD and memory should be upgrade/replaceable and forcing people to buy a new device because they can't isn't right.
@xWaLeEdOoOx
@xWaLeEdOoOx 9 ай бұрын
so nice of you to shout out for @GradeAunderA we really miss that dude
@DanijelTurina973
@DanijelTurina973 Жыл бұрын
On Mac Studio, NAND is on detachable modules and it can be replaced. By Apple proprietary components and by their authorised technicians, to be sure, but it's serviceable. On their other computers, you would need to desolder the NAND chips and replace them, and activation is a problem.
@GHostCCM
@GHostCCM Жыл бұрын
Imagine IBM or Intel selling servers with soldered in ram and ssd/hdd drives...
@MainframeSupertasker
@MainframeSupertasker 9 ай бұрын
"Try to avoid being prejudiced against something for what it was born as. Be prejudiced about what it chooses to be."
@user-zv3lj1ef7l
@user-zv3lj1ef7l 6 ай бұрын
The irony is that when I am truly engaged in your channel, you-tube asks me if I like the recommendations. Why ask me when I am enjoying myself, instead ask me when I am NOT, and also allow me to elaborate why I don't like what I see. Giving me two vague options as a multiple choice doesn't help their service/algorithm. Because it essentially tells me they don't want to hear constructive criticism. They'd rather devote their attention to some rogue Ai platform that doesn't have feelings.
@sarahnoda
@sarahnoda Жыл бұрын
Dell also did this previously. People were pissed when the SSD failed. I think they have changed most models now and no longer solder the SSD to the motherboard.
@Rokabur
@Rokabur Жыл бұрын
Alienware m18 I want to buy, can upgrade the RAM and m.2 SSDs (2 2280s and 1 2230) yourself and save at least $400-500 if you use 2 4TB 2280s and 2TB 2230 as well as 64GB DDR5 5600MT/s RAM over DELL's 2 4TB 2280s and 512GB 2230 and 64GB DDR5 4800MT/s.
@nipo2540
@nipo2540 11 ай бұрын
The XPS 13 2022 still did. Not the plus version though. Wish I knew that before I bought that and not the other.
@rogueinvestor2375
@rogueinvestor2375 Жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure they did that for “security reasons”.
@JoebDragon
@JoebDragon Жыл бұрын
the mac pro and studio have them on cards also for security reasons corps want to be able to destroy the storage device.
@thetoasterisonfire2080
@thetoasterisonfire2080 Жыл бұрын
Don’t worry, they looked at the data
@XXLuigiMario
@XXLuigiMario Жыл бұрын
Yep, security of their bottom line alright.
@thetoasterisonfire2080
@thetoasterisonfire2080 Жыл бұрын
@@JoebDragon it’s easier to destroy it if you can use take it out tho, also you can destroy the storage device without destroying the whole computer
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei
@Nebbia_affaraccimiei Жыл бұрын
their profits security...
@venjsystems
@venjsystems Жыл бұрын
Finally.... these are the videos we joined this channel for! Please continue with the repair videos, not the rant videos. (i don't mind the occasional rant, but we want to see more repairs)
@ybwang7124
@ybwang7124 9 ай бұрын
Preach it man. SSD fail shouldn't mean the whole machine is borked
@zaz6463
@zaz6463 Жыл бұрын
Apple has the best and brightest tech and engineering personnel available to them at all times - and in the past they've done outstanding things in the tech ecosystem. Their marketing teams didn't have to try so hard because their products did it for them. Knowing that makes watching them fight tooth and nail now against including some of the most obvious, bare-minimum, already-existing tech like replaceable storage... it makes me sick. But what really hurts the most is knowing they still "lead the industry" and other companies are just waiting for them to get away with this; so they can do it as well.
@geepeezee5030
@geepeezee5030 Жыл бұрын
It's all part of the design criteria. Make it as difficult as possible to repair so customer has no choice but to buy another one. In the market for a new laptop, one of the criteria is replaceable ssd. Memory is a different matter. So long as it comes with at least 32GB I may overlook soldered ram. Still, willing to pay a premium to have replaceable/expandability options.
@Idiomatick
@Idiomatick Жыл бұрын
???? This is absolutely nothing new for Apple. Unless you're talking like 40yrs ago.
@Teluric2
@Teluric2 Жыл бұрын
Proof that they have the best engineers? You would lick steve jobs boots.
@Teluric2
@Teluric2 Жыл бұрын
The marketing team didnt need it to do a lot? 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
@WayStedYou
@WayStedYou Жыл бұрын
Waiting for then to get away with this? The other companies have already been doing it too for years
@conors4430
@conors4430 Жыл бұрын
Apple’s brilliance was changing the entire culture of what people expected from their devices. It’s actually a beautiful thing of propaganda, to convince people to pay more money for something that is less fixable, and convince them that it’s perfectly okay, and even advantageous to just buy another one for an equivalent or slightly increased price, when the planned obsolescence kicks in. Oh, but they very much care about the environment and waste.
@Kaucukovnik666
@Kaucukovnik666 Жыл бұрын
Their devices are social status tokens for computer illiterate people. Among their customers the only reason not to buy an Apple is being too poor. And by the time your device prematurely dies, you are supposed to crave the latest model anyways and welcome an excuse to finally get it. After all we live in a world where many people believe you can damage a computer by pressing too many keys at once and some consider a prestigous piece of electronics more vital than their own organs.
Жыл бұрын
Yeah, evil brilliance.
@jasonk5979
@jasonk5979 Жыл бұрын
Shinny. Pretty. It just works. Is what I used to here. The problem is how many of these people go Right back and buy another Apple computer after these kinds of failures
@Deathrape2001
@Deathrape2001 Жыл бұрын
When people buy 'Apple' products, they R not buying computers, but 'Fa$hion Acce$$ories' 2 showcase how much they H8 white people & want 2 burn the world 2 the ground, dead as ash. They even used 2 have a rainbow phag flag in their 'bitten apple of gay Eden sin' logo. It's basically 'homosexual jewelry', not 'technology'. N E thing U want 2 do on a Mac U can do on a PC E Z 4 about 1/10 the price or less.
@diverman1023
@diverman1023 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, the devices are so above the competition at the moment that it’s hard to care too much. I’ve never had issues with macs except needing to replace the Battery after the 4 year mark. They always last me around 6-7 years before I want an upgrade. I know they’re not always perfectly engineering like the keyboard debacle, or they’ve gotten less and less upgradable over time, and I fully support right to repair, but there’s a reason a lot of people in technical disciplines, arts and students chose macs as their primary computers
@skycocaster
@skycocaster Жыл бұрын
This love-hate relationship with Paul Daniels' software is funny :)
@cavedon.felipe
@cavedon.felipe Жыл бұрын
Nice to see repairing back! It's somewhat relaxing to have you working on another monitor. Too bad my wife doesn't enjoy your repairing videos during our bedtime.
@polska905
@polska905 Жыл бұрын
Apple has a dedicated planned obsolescence team for sure...
@josephj6521
@josephj6521 Жыл бұрын
Reason I don’t buy Apple products.
@polska905
@polska905 Жыл бұрын
@@josephj6521 same here, and the fact the software is very limited too.
@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572
@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572 Жыл бұрын
To honor this company i am installing their proprietary OS on my pc
@Jigamanx2
@Jigamanx2 Жыл бұрын
They’re slowly killing that off too sadly with the same stupid T2 trash
@macdaniel6029
@macdaniel6029 Жыл бұрын
I'm doing the opposite, I always use Windows and Windows only on my MBP and iMac since 2010. macOS is just a big pile of garbage.
@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572
@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572 Жыл бұрын
@@Jigamanx2 Well it boots, but so many things are weird. I have never used macos before and this is on my old intel nuc. The keyboard layout is broken ctrl, win, alt are just very strange, win is ctrl which brings me beck to the annoying thinkpad keyboard that I've had on an X220 I think. It had a fn key in place of ctrl and it was annoying but you could change it in the BIOS. If the whole world is doing one thing and you do differently it's not inovation, it's a design fail. But aside from that the system is useless. I cannot use the terminal for anything. On windows there is at least some way to do something on powershell. As to should you waste your life to learn that horrifying syntax is another story but macos here just has vim that I like and it manages paths better since it's unix which is nice. Still what can i do on it? Not quite sure, maybe write C or python code but aside from that it's kinda useless. Going back to the real computer lol
@Jigamanx2
@Jigamanx2 Жыл бұрын
@@macdaniel6029 what’s wrong with Mac OS?
@kornaros96
@kornaros96 Жыл бұрын
​@@Jigamanx2it's macOS
@Cluuey
@Cluuey Жыл бұрын
10:03 "This is the artistic nerds section." 😁 That was great but you almost made my drink come out my nose. 16:14 that's the same for employees too. I learnt that from your non-compete clause video.
@TonyThomas10000
@TonyThomas10000 Жыл бұрын
You are the Bob Ross of tech! "Happy Little Components"! LOL!
@poisonouslead85
@poisonouslead85 Жыл бұрын
Soldered in wear components... Why is Apple allowed to exist?
@bustergundo516
@bustergundo516 Жыл бұрын
Money
@alexalcalaortiz368
@alexalcalaortiz368 Жыл бұрын
because people keep buying their crap
@mx338
@mx338 Жыл бұрын
This is something that should be outlawed, otherwise I don't think Apple will give up on this.
@tissuepaper9962
@tissuepaper9962 Жыл бұрын
we don't need to outlaw every specific abuse of our right to ownership. if we simply had access to schematics *and software* for repairing the firmware, this wouldn't be possible. somebody would have released a procedure for repairing the firmware within hours of the issue being discovered and Apple couldn't stop you from replacing or even upgrading the storage in *your* device.
@LAndrewsChannel
@LAndrewsChannel Жыл бұрын
@@tissuepaper9962 Unfortunately for companies like Apple that think they can control everything, legislation is the only thing that they will understands, just like a rabid animal will understand only violence. Besides, storage devices *SHOULD* be replaceable (by the user, like it was in pre 2015 Macbooks and other machines) in a computer since it is a wear part. They are basically welding the wheels (with tyres) to the car. They could have designed a creative way to use M.2 slots, but simply chose not to. Just like the lightning port on their iPhone (which prompted a legislative measure from EU because they refused for so long to switch).
@FredTheLard
@FredTheLard Жыл бұрын
In the UK there is a case for 'should not have failed' which can extend a warranty. With a car you are expected to maintain the car: change oil, check water etc. But there is a case where a bolt within an engine came loose, wrecking the engine. The judge ruled that that particular bolt should, being a bolt that was not expected to be maintained, should have lasted the life of the vehicle. As such ordered the company to pay for all repairs. The same applies to a chip that does not last the expected life of the device. If a chip that can not be maintained fails, that is a manufacturing fault not a user maintenance issue. Laws should take this into account, publish the expected life of a device as a marketing point. Anything that should not fail before that time should be under warranty. That means you know you are buying a 18 month laptop, or a 36 month laptop. If warranty length becomes a positive marketing difference at least we can reduce the need to repair stuff as it should break less frequently.
@Chaomix9
@Chaomix9 Жыл бұрын
First video of yours I've seen. I like your personality, down to earth/real. Instantly subbed. Before watching this, I was going to get one of these Macbooks and was recommending them to friends and family... Now definitely avoiding laptops with soldered SSDs/RAM. The FlexBoard app looks crazy good. Wish I still worked with electronics
@bit2easy
@bit2easy Жыл бұрын
Hey Louis, I want to thank you for convincing me to no longer purchase Macbook as a default. Hopefully I can support company like framework in the future so that the future won't suck as much.
@7thjester16
@7thjester16 Жыл бұрын
That was a good thing about the surface pro. I had one years ago that got destroyed in an accident, but I was able to pull the ssd out and keep my data. Newer ones now have it easily accessible to upgrade/swap ssd. Repairing anything else on them is... not so easy though.
@Drinkyoghurt
@Drinkyoghurt Жыл бұрын
The first time I heard of a soldered SSD in a Macbook all I could think was: "This is dumb, but they're probably going to make it worse", which they did by removing the service connector which allowed you to get data off a dead board if the SSD was functional. Now they've gone and completely fucked shit up just to make sure you will keep replacing your laptop at a certain frequency. It's borderline criminal what they're doing.
@gokublack8342
@gokublack8342 9 ай бұрын
Sony has done the same with their PS5s now 😂
@KabelkowyJoe
@KabelkowyJoe Жыл бұрын
I haven't watched these videos in a while, year or so, saw other channel "Electronics Repair School", failed bios replacement on some nvidia 4090 based laptop, Lenovo Legion 5 , now im here seeing this in background just for noise, plug FM modulator to PC to be able walk away even outside to garage, 20:00 this mood is contagious :>
@SanderGrolleman
@SanderGrolleman Жыл бұрын
This video is exactly what I've been looking for. I've just bought a Mac mini and I'm waiting for it to arrive, but I'm seriously breaking my head over the fact that I can't replace the SSD's once they're gone. Something inside of me just tells me that isn't right... and I'm wondering whether I should even keep with Macs for the long run.
@algizmo7079
@algizmo7079 Жыл бұрын
it's only too late to back-up at the last mo.... [connection_timeout]
@adaml.5355
@adaml.5355 Жыл бұрын
Just send it right back and get an IdeaCentre Mini or something. Fully upgradable, repairable, nice looking. Dual M.2 slots and dual SODIMM slots. It's a dream.
@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286
@thecon_quererarbitraryname6286 Жыл бұрын
Get an old ass Chunkbook from the scrapyard, install an SSD and a better processor and more memory in it (yes all of those things were possible in 2011 with most machines) and it'll do just fine for most tasks and with a superior kernel named Linux. I use a HP 8460p with i7 2670qm and 8GB ddr3 memory for python programming with linux mint and it just works (and will long after the macbook SSD reached its TBW limit and became e-waste). TLDR; it's much more satisfying to pick up e waste and build a usable machine out of it than to buy modern e-waste in progress that can't be turned into anything usable anymore...
@bobcarter6143
@bobcarter6143 Жыл бұрын
You can purchase something like Drive DX to monitor the disk health and see the total bytes written to date. You can then get rid of the Mac once it has written too much or shows sign of errors. My Mac Mini has a 256GB SSD and in 30 months has had only 16TB writes - so roughly 64 times its total capacity - SSD's vary a lot but a typical Hynix chip can be written 500 to 1000 times - so I still have plenty of life left in mine. I would caution that if your machine only has 8GB of RAM then the machine will be swapping out real memory to SSD and using up lifetime writes a lot quicker. I have 16GB RAM and most days it will be using around 10GB of RAM so I rarely see any memory pressure and minimal swap files.
@ThePgR777
@ThePgR777 Жыл бұрын
Buy something like a Minisforum
@GeordiLaForgery
@GeordiLaForgery Жыл бұрын
I heard in Apple Headquarters the toilet paper is soldered onto the cubicle doors and they have to replace the whole door everytime it runs out.
@xthomas7621
@xthomas7621 Жыл бұрын
Only if Apple employees have to pay Apple for the new door
@erkinalp
@erkinalp Жыл бұрын
@@xthomas7621 that would be illegal. Employers are responsible for bringing the tools necessary for work.
@GeordiLaForgery
@GeordiLaForgery Жыл бұрын
@@erkinalp 😂
@theseabass
@theseabass 2 ай бұрын
Only 50 wipe cycles per stall
@christianmiller1723
@christianmiller1723 Жыл бұрын
Proud autistic nerd here - I was just wondering if you were neurodivergent because I am as well. I was impressed by you thorough product knowledge, and after you mentioned using Linux and being anti-establishment I was pretty sure I had found my people. Love you man, thanks for the videos and for being a true inspiration by taking such pride in who you are and what you do. I know it hasn't always been as easy as you make it seem, both your skill and you in the world as a person, so I have mad respect for you. I was never interested in this sort of thing before, but I've found myself watching your videos quite a bit lately and am becoming interested myself. Thank you so much for your videos and your inspiration!
@kingszeno
@kingszeno 9 ай бұрын
Having an ssd that shorts everything is like using a chastity belt instead of underwear and saying "What, don't you have a locksmith?"
@Fridge_Duck
@Fridge_Duck Жыл бұрын
I love your videos in the shop! If you have the opportunity to do more repair videos, or other stuff showing off the inner bits and bobs of computers, please make more!
@anthonyhutton9174
@anthonyhutton9174 Жыл бұрын
That's precisely how he did his first 1000+ videos.
@c1ph3rpunk
@c1ph3rpunk Жыл бұрын
The analogy I often use: the battery in your car dies, but is permanently engineered into the frame of the vehicle, sorry, you need to buy a new car.
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 Жыл бұрын
shit no a grinder can get that out lol.
@c1ph3rpunk
@c1ph3rpunk Жыл бұрын
@@bradhaines3142 then you’ve become the Louis Rossmann of those vehicles, where only you have the capabilities to do the work, the average person won’t be able to. That makes this even worse, ANYONE should have access to be able to do that sort of work.
@asakayosapro
@asakayosapro Жыл бұрын
Sounds a lot like Tesla, innit?
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 Жыл бұрын
@@asakayosapro no, they can be replaced, they just cost more than the car is worth at that point
@server1ok
@server1ok Жыл бұрын
I have never owned a Mac other than a Big Mac. My PC is from 2009 and has ran 24/7 with prime 95 and torrents and it's still going. It's a budget Intel model back when Intel did MB's and SSD's. Everything is Intel on this low performing PC but it's a rock.
@user-ep2es1mp5r
@user-ep2es1mp5r 11 ай бұрын
My good friend called this engineered obsolescence, money is in replacing not repairing or longevity
@Chad-Giga.
@Chad-Giga. 11 ай бұрын
Or planned obsolescence
@Thiccolo
@Thiccolo Жыл бұрын
Laptop manufacturers solder ram, ssd's, and now THE WIFI CARD?!?!
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 Жыл бұрын
wifi soldered has been a thing for years, same for ram (any with LP ram is always soldered) ssd is a bit newer
@dataplatter
@dataplatter Жыл бұрын
I voted for the 30 minute repair videos... I guess I better watch this whole thing :D
@williamcorcoran8842
@williamcorcoran8842 Жыл бұрын
I trust this man since his technical skills are amazing. Now, here is what you do: When you buy an apple computer, buy the smallest ssd and then purchase an external ssd for what you need for work. But two because you want mirroring.
@chronology556
@chronology556 Жыл бұрын
You cannot boot from an external SSD. So if that dies. Meh.
@agw5425
@agw5425 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if a donor ssd/nand cipp would allow the user to boot from a external drive without any ware to the "new" one so a laptop like the ones you describe could be resurrected and the built in ssd avoided to prevent this to fail again? After all while working the laptop sound very capable, would it prevent this failure if a external ssd is used as a precaution prior to failure or does just turning it on ware out the ssd?
@YurttheSilentChief1
@YurttheSilentChief1 Жыл бұрын
I feel for you man, the repair isn't the worst part of the job, it's the customer's reaction when you break the news to them that their data is most likely screwed... Me just assuming that your life gets much worse every time they blame you for Apple's problem.
@lucasrem
@lucasrem Жыл бұрын
muhahaha, the lab guy did parity check on his glued ATA drive CHEAP = BETTER so fuck this weirdo guy hard, who needs stupid people ??????
@ArikaStack
@ArikaStack Жыл бұрын
Over the past 10 or so years (it feels like 15 tbh) I have seen you go from the biggest Apple fanboy on the internet who actually knew what he was talking about and was still fun to watch, to probably Apple's #1 enemy and I am aaaaallllll for it. I think they used to make okay hardware back in the day, and they were an important step in the world we see today, even if I was a windows kid and me and my nerd friends would spend hours talking crap about mac users when I was in high school. Apple has lost anything that they once had that made them good, and it's telling when they have messed up so bad, that there's a repair you simply can't do for a common failure - Apple is the reason why you can't buy a brand new, never before soldered SSD, and Apple, as a company, with their mistreatment of customers and repair techs, is the largest argument for right to repair that is only overshadowed by John Deere's BS, which, honestly? Jailbreaking a tractor might be easier than getting around some of the DRM Apple uses.
@MrMrjwongy
@MrMrjwongy Жыл бұрын
cute pfp
@accessiblelinuxgaming6858
@accessiblelinuxgaming6858 2 ай бұрын
One thing that I found kind of interesting about the 2011 Macbooks with the bunk AMD HD6000 series GPUs is that there is a method wherein if you are running Linux you can actually edit the bootloader to kill off the GPU entirely at boot. This basically forces the IGPU to be active at all times. Macbooks that show artifacts can be turned into usable machines this way.
@_Bakamunati
@_Bakamunati Жыл бұрын
Soldered SSD and rams? Why don't we also have those solidified jell shoes from cloudy with the chance of meatball too? Lmao
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