Calling a ship "firespray" sounds like a bladder infection to me.

Ship master, i believe that while yes the lukerhulk was a good warship, it was also an even more amazing troop transport.

There’s actually a neat explanation for the exposed reactors. It’s similar to how it took ships blowing up for us to realize exposed aviation fuel tanks and lines on carriers was stupid. Those reactors were one of many small secondary reactors bolted on inside the cargo turned hangar bays to power all those vulture droids. Then when Anakin blew up one it set off a chain reaction along the rings, similar to the carriers that were lost to chain reaction fuel detonations.

All valid points, but the biggest problem wasn't CIS ship design, it was the folks commanding said ships. They were, buy and large, _merchants_ not military thinkers. For a 'hostile takeover', they swapped out lawyers & accountants for combat 'droids...great at blowing shit up and killing things, not so great at subtle details. Yeah, the CIS had psychotic android on retainer as a military consultant, but that's not the same thing as a well-trained, and motivated, battle staff. Small wonder a incredibly lucky kid (with a metric butt-tonne of plot armor 😜) could pull one over on a gang of greedy merchants LARP'ing as combat commanders.

Is it just me or has the Lucrehulk always looked more like a semi-mobile space station/space dock instead of an actual ship?

"There seems to be something wrong with our bloody Lucrehulks today." - Admiral Beatty, in orbit of Naboo, probably

Another in universe reason for arming the Lucrehulk is that the galactic government was a failed state in all but name and piracy ran rampant. On the subject of the battle of Naboo Anakin only got that lucky shot because the Lucrehulk was still launching it 1500 fighters. The Lucrehulk's primary goal as a trade ship was to bring a large amount of cargo to a certain place through pirate infested shipping lanes and scare off or fuck up any moron that thinks that they are an easy mark. Their use in the clone wars was as heavily armed and armored troop transports during planetary invasions as well as to act as starfighter carriers.

The Lucrehulk’s such a cool design. Is it the most efficient ship design for literally any role? Probably not. But it’s still such a striking image and I always really liked how the CIS was able to make them a centerpiece of pretty much any operation. You absolutely could design a more effective warship, but for a conversion of a freighter it’s striking that perfect blend of effective enough at its job, making sense in the lore, and being visually distinct. My favorite variation of the Lucrehulk though will always be as a Carrier instead of a battleship, something I’ve seen in a couple games and one offs. As a battleship it’s certainly heavily armed, but it’s got awful firing angles and it’s a massive slow moving target. But if you instead cover the whole thing is point defense weapons and give it very few anti-capital ship weapons you could set it up in the center of a fleet as a massive well defended fleet carrier. It certainly has the cargo capacity and even the battleship variant carried a ton of droids, but a version exclusively designed to be a carrier would bring absolutely overwhelming numbers to any battle. Especially when the Republic is fielding Venators with pretty limited carrying capacity.

Ah, the LucreHulk The pride of the British East India Company

I guess you can say the writers really dropped the ball with this design... I'll see myself out.

"You can't just bolt a bunch of guns onto something and leave all the hatches open!" *Jutland Battlecruiser Commanders nervously sweating* uhhhh... yeahhhh... who would do that...

Funnily enough, the most effective anti-sub tool in the Royal Navy's arsenal was... Fishing Hooks. I kid you not, the Destroyers literally went fishing for subs.

Ah the Lucrehulk the equivalent of the WW1 early flatdeck carrier. 11:00 Dockmaster the Lucrehulk does have hanger doors but the early cargo based ones were too slow hence Anakin and in the Star Wars Starfighter game Rys Dallows( rip eu) entering the ship. The ship also has compartmentalized hangers which is a neat design feature. Later variations fix a few of the issues you presented.

The Lucrehulk class battleship looks like you put sphere into a half eaten doughnut.

I would argue that the "Gentleman's Rules of War", was a recently new idea in our history. For most of history it was "kill everyone and sell the survivors into slavery".

Well, the big problems you mentioned are because it _was_ a merchant hull. The reactor was vulnerable because easy access was more important (when designed) than protection. It's also part of why Q-ships had such a shitty record: merchantmen with guns bolted on are still just as fragile afterwards; the Lucrehulk gains some ground here because a civilian hull can still be fitted with military-grade shields. _Anything_ that can get past those shields is going to tear it apart like tissue paper compared to a military hull, though, even before actual armor is taken into account.

I gotta agree that the warship Lukerhulk is a terrible idea. That doesn’t change the fact that I think that this is an excellent trading ship. Droid security, droid crew, and many doors and a cargo hold that is empty to vacuum means that it can be more difficult for your stuffs to be taken. The armament makes sense considering that pirates abound in the SW universe, but it could definitely be better organized.

I think the important thing is to remember it was pre-clone wars an auxiliary warship met to fight off pirates and when the clone wars begun it was essentially just a refit. While there are definitely methods that could have been taken during the refit, such as more internal bulkheads, it’s important t to remember it’s still a freighter.

11:28 You forgot that they also left their auto docking protocols to automatically dock any autopiloted vessel regardless of IFF signature. What sort of halfwit leaves the IFF off during an invasion?!? If that one survived the fight, they'd *definitely* be getting chucked out of the airlock later...

It's not a slippery slope fallacy when you're literally slipping down a slope.

Well, warships disguised as merchants to ambush unsuspecting enemy was not a bad idea. But in previous era, of wooden ships and iron men, there were marchant ships that were disguised as warships to convince pirates to not even try to attack them, with false gun ports made or painted on the hull. The ring ship is not a bad idea, especially in space. You can rotate it on any axis to give your gun a desired shooting arc. But true, no compartments, no bulkheads to separate damaged ship sections, or even separating different cargo types from each other, like two perfectly stable chemical compounds stored next to each other. Compounds that when mixed together have a very violent, or just simply explosive, reaction... Not a very good design of a ship that can loose artificial gravity at any moment due to various reasons. And even worse crime of exposing very important systems to loose cargo, like an escaped pet Rankorn that someone rich would like to transport but it get loose and demolished half of a cargo bay and then smashed into the reactor and accidentally blow himself and the ship... Yeah. Very tragic.

Q: What do you call a dirty Lucrehulk? A: Filthy Lucre

You forgot the Hull was made from Explodium A rare metallic mineral capable of Violent reactions exposed to the proximity of Hero Plot Armor

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Let’s be honest here, Disney changing a ship’s name, no matter how dumb, is the least of its stupid decisions when it’s in the business of neutering all its male Star Wars characters. Boba went from a cold, calculating, merciless Hunter to…a kindly old man cosplaying as a Mandolorian. Rest In peace compelling anti-heroes, we hardly knew ye.

I have an Episode one cross-section book lying around and took a look at it. It points out that the main reactors were not on the flight deck but were one of three *GIANT* spherical devices in front of each primary engine. I think I've heard it somewhere that what the little punk hit were some kind of fuel pumps, fuel storage, or fighter recharge reactors, SOMETHING that goes boom when hit. What really could be checked up to was an impractical design for war, these ships were built as merchant ships first so there were no efforts made to partition critical or volatile parts from one another because no one expected them to originally be shot up by anything less a few fights, let alone have one fly in and dump a torpedo into it from the inside. The whole incident was a chain reaction following the ship's fuel system if the books any indication. Heck if little Annie had shot the main reactor then I doubt he'd have time to escape as the whole thing would have blown up in his face. Still it's a shame we don't get to see any more of these ships, I like to think someone like the Rebels would have made one into a hidden space base or a pirate trading outpost over some outer rim world.

The military variant Lucrehulk; basically a defense platform, regardless of if it’s a battleship or carrier sub-variants. It just kinda parks in a place and spews out lasers and fighters. It’s got the sheer mass, shields, and armor belt to just not care. I love the murder donut to bits.

I love the Lucrehulk specifically because it actually does does look like a perfectly competent effort at a large freight carrying vessel by Star Wars standards. And while that doesn't translate to a good warship, it does translate to a great transport for troops and equipment.

Well that's what you get when a merchant is in charge of designing a "battleship". 😂

i think it was said in lore that it wasnt the main reactor that was blown up in the first film, but instead it was all the fuel cells used for all the fighers and transports, they were just positioned right at the back of the hanger next to the main ractor, still stupid. its a bit like what happened to the Taihō which was taken out by a single torpedo that hit the aviation fuel tanks which started a chain reaction

Don't forget that three clones in stolen starfighters were able to do the same thing again years later, even when the TF installed internal shield systems.

Talk about Cruiser Rules, in WW2 the Kriegsmarine, the naval arm of the moustache man, actually made an attempt to maintain those rules, they would regularly halt unescorted merchant ships and either destroy their load or only sink the ship after the crew had evacuated, in contrast to the yanks who outright gunned down almost every single survivor of Japanese ships (civilian or military) in the pacific, considering Japanese fanaticism a somewhat understandable action. That was until the Laconia incident, after having sunk the eponymous british troop ship, submarine U-156 collected all the survivors and were towing them in their life rafts to the nearest civilian Vichi french vessel for handover, during which they raised red cross banners and were broadcasting their intentions on allied frequencies. Then a wild USAAF B-24 appeared and started shooting/bombing them, forcing U-156 to abbandon the survivors, what followed was vertiable cluster fuck that resulted in the deaths of hundreads of survivors, as other Kriegsmarine submarines tried to launch rescue operations and were subsequently gunned down by allied forces despite going under no fire rules. After that, Dönitz basically said "Fuck it, they want total fuckin war? We will give them total fuckin war!" and all gentlemen rules were thrown overboard. At the Nürnberg trials, the entire incident turned into a shitshow when THE Admiral Chester fuckin Nimitz spoke out IN DEFENSE of the Kriegsmarine, severly embarrassing the entire prosecution.

To be fair, after tagt naboo incident they installed ray shields in front of the reactor rooms

To be fair, the exposed reactors in episode I was due to a merchant ship being retrofited into a battleship. They corrected the issue by the clone wars if im not mistaken, and fitted even more guns and stronger shilds. The lucrehulk by the time of the clone wars was a monster of a battleship.

Huh, I never realized those ball ships on geonosis were lucrehulk cores... Which means the trade federation lost several battleships to ground fire. Sure would have been nasty if those balls had naval grade shield generators and cannons pouring fire onto the ground troops.

Today I learned that the ball was a dropship and that the lukrehulk is now one of my favorite spaceships in star wars now because of it

For anakin's lucky shot it wasn't that he hit the reactor. What he hit was one of the many many extra power stations added into the refit. They needed those new reactors to power all the extra shit they added and to power all the fighters they added. Blowing up that first one just caused a chain reaction that spread.

As a star wars fan, I love it when you tear these ships up lol

My favourite ship transformation would the Kuun-Lan from Homeworld: Cataclym game. It started out as mining vessel but throughout the campaign it became a powerful battleship armed with a Yamato superweapon and carried Super Acolyte fighters. It also built a whole fleet of combat ships that it lead to hunt down a galactic threat.

TBF, I don't think the cores were meant to be separated from the rest of the ship in combat situations. I heard what happened was after the battle of Naboo the Senate forced the Trade Federation to disarm, which meant ditching the cores of their Lucrehulks to severely limit their ability to act as warships. Those cores on Geonosis were what the Trade Federation squirreled away in case they wanted to make their Lucrehulks into warships again.

Honestly that thing could be a fantastic mine layer or missile ship. Come to a planet under the guise of merchanting then block out the sun with mines.

The biggest problem with the lucrehulk is the star wars mentality of treating capital ships like they're their own little fleet... Without giving then their own little fleet. Take the lucrehulk and treat it the way the US treats air craft carriers. Surround it with cruisers and destroyers if comparable size to defend it. And I mean actual destroyers, fast little ships dedicated to destroying small craft. But that would require sound military thinking in Star wars.

So, basically, they're referring to Boba Fett's ship as its' class rather than the exact ship. SHAME ON YOU, DISNEY! If it's canon lore, it's canon lore, and there's nothing you can do!

The Lucrehulk seems in true corporate fashion to be an attempt to make or rather convert a ship to fulfill pretty much every role you need in warfare, and unfortunately it becomes mediocre at any of those roles. Though it did one thing I haven't seen much of in fiction that intrigues me, it served at least in the Naboo Conflict as a stealth troop carrier. It's one thing to have a bunch of well armed truckers blockading your town, when suddenly a bunch of armed troops you didn't know existed start pouring out of said trucks, that would be a Hell of a surprise. Granted you'd only get away with that trick once, but still a fascinating idea to secret an army right into the middle of the enemy on a regular old cargo ship. Only other time I've read someone doing that in fiction was Tom Clancy's "Red Storm Rising" but I've seen such tactics debated endlessly about a possible PRC invasion of Taiwan.

I kinda figured the the Lucrehulk was a great demonstration on why accountants should never be responsible for ship design.

Add two massive dishes, on each side of the central sphere and you could call the Lucrehulks "Mickey"...

The SPHA-Ts were designed to do that, the reactors Anakin blew up were the auxiliaries that were installed for recharging the Vulture CAP

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I love how this channel manages to mix scathing critique, satire, plain comedy and historical lessons :-) I had never heard of the Cruiser Rules prior to this but now I will be doing some reading on them, how I had missed them to begin with might have been my preference for land combat rather than Naval despite having plenty of Sailors in the family... That or just plain old laziness, yeah that might be it.

The Lukrehulk makes me think of something you’d use as a mobile staging area or orbital control tower or planetary invasion coordination craft. Plenty of space for docking smaller craft, space superiority fighters, or landing vehicles. It would make a fantastic carrier if they could streamline fighter launching, maybe by using those hatches that then close. The heavy weapons would deter any occupied planet from causing problems, and could put down actual problems. Definitely not a warship, but could do a lot of things effectively.

When talking about Star Wars ship designs, you have to factor in the detail that space is essentially two-dimensional in that universe. That's why they never go up and over a blockade or attack from above or below. Everything is on a single plane.

The Lucrehulk is a solid design used for the wrong application. Missile/torpedo platform (at long range), combined arms troop carrier, and dedicated carrier? Absolutely! As a battleship, especially in its initial militarized configuration as seen in the Battle of Naboo? Abysmal. With some work, it can be a great capital/support ship.

It makes sense how many design flaws were in this thing, being designed by a greedy corporation with no history of warship manufacture probably made the Lucrehulk a nightmare of shortsighted cost cutting measures and oversights. It could barely compete with ships half it's size and a quarter it's tonnage, which speaks to the inefficient design. Which, once again, makes sense.

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When I watched the film and heard about the trade federation. It made me immediately think of the east India company. A merchant marine owned by the government, who quickly outgrew the ability of the government to protect and assist. So they get the letter to permit them to defend themselves.... Then end up going too far and deciding they are a military of their own. And screwing up international relations because of their actual power. And I did wonder why precisely when under attack not a single storage compartment was kept closed during at attack. At least in Pearl harbor they had the excuse to they did not know hostiles were within range. But they KNEW that Naboo was under occupation and that angry locals might show up any time. So I would have expected a battle stations to be called as soon as reports or conflict broke out on the ground, just in case it was a distraction from a real threat.

1:17 “...in your timeline” -input here nervous Pepe sweating-

on the note of the proton torpedo strike, the Lucrehulk had added numerous power generators to run their shitshow, the one Anakin struck caused a chain reaction that of course blew the ship out of orbit. The main reactor cores are in the rear behind the ball.

I'm pretty sure the idea that warfare has only become "unrestricted" recently is a common misconception about history. There was a brief time in the 18th and 19th centuries in Europe when commanders might have given lip service to the idea of "polite" warfare, but even in that narrow geographic and chronological time frame, it often went by the wayside pretty quickly. Medieval European wars tended to burn fields and murder fairly indiscriminately. At pretty much every point in time and place, if your opponent was of a different religion, all bets were off. There is some evidence to suggest that we homo sapiens massacred every other species of proto-human off the face of the planet! I think it's been a pretty narrow stretch of human history wherein leaders came up with noble-sounding justifications for war that included supposed rules of conduct.

I learn more about 16th-20th century earth naval history from this channel in 10 minutes than proper history channels.

honestly, the damn thing is probably one of the best carriers in all of Star Wars, if properly utilized, it'd be pretty damn near a Super Carrier equivalent. its basically all hangar, a very significant portion of its armament is AA, with some anti ship weapons, fighters can exit and return through multiple vectors without compromising the structure of the ship (you know if they remember to close the doors to critical areas) and it has some pretty beefy armor/shields. Give it some proper escorts (like the various Separatist frigates and such) and most of its flaws become irrelevant. Because then you'd have a fighter screen so thick that angle of attack is non viable, and the escorts would pose enough of a threat, any enemy would have to focus on them first with their capital ships giving them opportunity to jump to hyperspace.

the lucrehulk is a formidable force, especially against a lone clone commando squad on an abandoned frigate blessed with plot armor

3:25 I mean, some submarine captains did abide by cruiser protocols in the early stages of WW2, though it generally stopped once escorted convoys became the norm. I think my dad has - somewhere around -a copy of the letter received by the Red Cross from the captain of the U-boat that sank his uncle's merchant ship. It essentially identifies the time and approximate location of the encounter, and was accompanied by 2 photographs, 1 of the ship with it's lifeboats deployed, and one which has both of the lifeboats in fame, and was good enough that several crew members were positively identified from it.

I personally like to think that the weaknesses left on the lucrehulk were intentional, something like the trade federation saying, “Hey, we could fix these issues but fuck you we have guns.” I like to think that there is a bit of taunting going on, since the trade federation ended making a converted freighter have more firepower than a purpose built warship like the venator

Nothing says style more than a battery of Turbolasers in your face.

Boba's ship goes from Slave1 to Firespray at the same rate Disney goes from entertaining to insulting. To save my psyche I do a Jedi hand wave and say "this is not the Star Wars you are looking for, carry on".

A friend of mine was once asked to install a fully functional toilet 7 feet off the ground.... for the sake of too much money and art. That should answer some of the Star Wars design conundrums.

One thing to note the hulks in episode 1 where shoddily modified for the blockade they had just bolted on as many guns as they could and when they realized they didn't have enough power said "fuck it throw a bunch of spare reactors into the cargo hold" the clone wars models actually had their additional reactors armored up and safe(ish)

As far as i understood it, the reactors were not part of the original ship and installed later to power the sheer mass of droids the Lucrehulk carried as part of the "turning into a Battleship". So they would not have been there in a proper Lucrehulk in the first place.

one example of a Q ship in scifi that I like is in the Honor Harrington series they have covers for the weapons ports that don't need to be dropped they can just fire through them and then replace them after the fight

​ @Sacred Cow Shipyards I honestly imagine the reactors in hangars were an effect of something that went like this: "sir, the added turbolasers draw too much power to work when core ship is on planet, what should we do?" "you see that shipping of battleship cores? Just plug a few of them in the back of hangar, it should be enough..."

Imagine building a cargo battleship, only to get sent to the forever box because the planet had unsecured fighters due to a few special people with glowsticks and a kid.

It's a surprisingly competent battleship, a carrier to rival a super star destroyer, a military transport big enough to facilitate planetary invasions, a bulk freighter capable of transporting cargo at the galactic scale, and it has FIFTY CONFERENCE ROOMS. [Oh, and its central structure can detach to perform atmospheric landings as a still massive dropship.] I think this ship's biggest problem is that there wasn't enough of them.

Slave 1 always kinda looked like some sort of orbital or detail sander to me. In the SF story I'm writing, the hero ship might qualify as a Q-ship. It's classified as a type of cutter, but they changed the forward observation dome and escape port so that it becomes an emission port for a big-honking space gun. And the cargo ports can probably be used for launching missiles.

The worst thing is that during WW1 and 2, stuff like this more or less happened. Nations would basically bolt a crap ton of guns onto cruise liner, call them Auxiliary Cruisers and send them out to attack the merchant shipping on their enemies. There was at least one instance where two of these converted liners fought one another in a stand-up battle and it was absolute carnage on both sides, since they were blazing away at one another at close range owing to the non-existent range-finding and fire control on them and having literally no armour. Consequently, a single shell hit would blow out whole compartments and start massive fires

The unbalanced crazy unhinged rants at every video beginning is why I subscribe to the secret crow shipyard.

"You can't just bolt guns on it and call it a battleship leave ALL the hatches open..." _Admiral David Beatty pauses and looks at this channel._

On the bright side, it wasn't humans that designed the ball drop ship this time.

They wouldn't be sudo pirates if they didn't take a cargo ship and stuff a bunch of fighters inside of it and bolt every weapon they could to it's hull. Then act like it's an actual warship not a roided out civy ship without any internal bulkheads or anything else a ship designed to be shot at has.

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In defense of the original weaponization of the Lucrehulk, it was not meant to be a Q-ship. The Republic was not providing adequate protection against pirates in the free-trade zone where the Lucrehulk operated, so the Trade Federation got Senate permission to bolt guns onto the hull and pack their hangers with battle droids and droid starfighters. After Naboo, though, that permission was stripped away, so the iterations between then and the Clone Wars probably were meant to follow Q-ship logic.

That was the point. Like, the Emperor needs the force to have a chance to engineer a potential pawn or potential dead anyway jedi to keep the trade federation in check.

They should have left some more Vulture droids at the SCS so they had more dice to roll up intelligence stats with. But I guess no matter how many dice you throw at your stat-block you can't beat plot armour. Great video Mr. Not-an-AI Foreman.

I will forever rename the ship to "pooh bears slave 1"

Funny thing - they actually learned from this and equipped their ships (or at least the DH-Omni support vessels) with ray shields that separated hangars from the reactor.

They attest leaned their lesson as in the clone wars unbara arc they added ray shields to protect to reactor on their later transport supply ships

You can also tell which other of their ships (munificent) were trade ships, because the ones that were originally trade ships had the bridges on the front, while the ones built for warfare had them in the back (you can see this with cargo freighters and ferry’s irl)

There's a scene from Tanya The Saga of Evil anime where Tanya uses a loudspeaker to warn people they're going to die, the cruiser rules reminds me of it :3

In legends there was actually a better example of a q-ship. The yevthan (sp?) Thrust ship was similar in purpose to the 'hulk, basically a big ball that was used for passengers and freight. After they kicked off the party the new republic found out that they had a gunboat version that looked identical until it kicked you in the nuts. It threw a huge complication in the NRs mission planning.

the lucerhulk is basically an armored cruiser of the late 1800s in that by the time its used for war its neither armored or a cruiser by the technology of time but its all they got so they gotta use it. Part of their weakness is by design, if the trade federation won outright, then there wouldn't have been an escalated conflict leading to the galactic empire.

So, funny thing most of the comments section is forgetting when talking about how bad the Lukerhulk is as a battleship. Its SHIELDS. Even by new Disney lore, it takes MULTIPLE Venator class Star Destroyers, dedicated warships, to crack a single Lukerhulk's shields. This is, admittedly, in part due to the Venator's abysmal main battery of only 8 dual heavy turbolasers, but that falls more under horribly design doctrines of the GRA and the Kaminoan's who placed the initial orders for equipment.

A torpedo Into the fusion reactor. ITS NEVER BEEN DUN BEFORE.

According to the Expanded Universe sources the Lucrehulk in it earlier days was refitted after numerous pirate attacks with retractable laser cannons. Only after Clone Wars began was it refitted again to a supercarrier or a battlecruiser.

So if the ship’s name is now Firespray, then what is it, a Slave class?

11:35 They fixed this later in the clone wars by installing ray shielding to separate the reactor from the main hanger(can be found in the episode where they fight on Umbara (I believe it's season 4 episode 7)

Outside of a kid getting insanely lucky, how many other universes do we know with professional (and insane) ace fighter pilots are there who would look at those nice BIG open hangar doors and think to see what damage they could do from the inside, intentionally.

Access to your engine/reactors via the cargo decks does make some sense, if you are designing with overhaul and replacement in mind. That said, you would still put up some sort of barrier to protect it from "shit happening" on your flight deck/cargo hold. Because shit does happen.

The Lucrehulk could easily fill a niche I've heard described as "battlecarrier," if there's a more specific term I don't know it. Basically just what it sounds like, a ship big enough to be both a battleship in armament as well as an aircraft (or in this care star-fighter) carrier in capacity. A few dozen or hundred small ships could dock in that sucker and run interference while its big guns blow nearly anything short of a Death Star out of orbit. AND THAT'S NOT EVEN A THEORETICAL, that's just using it with how it was (eventually) designed to its fullest potential! Sadly, official Star Wars is lazily written on a good day, and "convenient mishaps with bad-guy equipment and absurd luck for the good guys" is pretty much what the entire universe operates on.

Oh that disney changing name thingy is actually disheartening ... they truly dont see anything as holy in their purchased ip's. I might also add that the empire went and saw the lucrehulk and went we need this but even bigger and bamn the secutor class became a thing which eventually led to the development of the Super-class star destroyers which are essentially moving space fortresses.

Damn this is good. I feel like your really honing in on the balance of character. Thanks for making my day drinking more enjoyable.