Saltburn is So Gross That It's Beautiful

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Trin Lovell

Trin Lovell

5 ай бұрын

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@LovellTrin
@LovellTrin 5 ай бұрын
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@sprinkle1386
@sprinkle1386 5 ай бұрын
girl i was watching and left for 2 seconds just for it to be gone what happened 🤨
@mj-f7135
@mj-f7135 5 ай бұрын
33:16 *meticulous
@DarthNVious
@DarthNVious 5 ай бұрын
This movie is a out Islam in Europe.
@iwhippedcreamcode4642
@iwhippedcreamcode4642 4 ай бұрын
You should watch The Talented Mr Ripley. Also!
@kristhomas4039
@kristhomas4039 3 ай бұрын
is it possible for you to react to Dragon the Bruce Lee story ?
@ella52802
@ella52802 5 ай бұрын
The deer antlers are so fascinating to me, because while deer are often seen as harmless and graceful animals, in reality they use their antlers to gore their prey or predators. Similar to how on the outside oliver is seen as an innocent stoic quiet person, but in reality he is capable of so much violence.
@nailinthefashion
@nailinthefashion 5 ай бұрын
That's good writing 👁
@joaoflintino
@joaoflintino 5 ай бұрын
antlers maybe represent devil horns ? felix wearing angel wings when die
@lor0707
@lor0707 5 ай бұрын
it's just Beastars
@avr7120
@avr7120 5 ай бұрын
how can deer have prey when they are herbivores? arent antlers more for fighting other deer (and predators like you said)
@ella52802
@ella52802 5 ай бұрын
@@avr7120 it's pretty uncommon, but deer have been known to sometimes eat meat of other animals, and occasionally end up goring other deer (and sometimes people). Which isn't something you'd really expect a deer to do, so I just thought it was interesting :))
@ramadansteve9878
@ramadansteve9878 5 ай бұрын
An overlooked detail about the costume party is that the theme was A Midsummers Night's Dream, the Shakespeare play. Oliver was dressed as Puck a trickster fairy that enjoys "pranking" mortals and has no sympathy for human suffering. In the play he's more of fool than a villain. But Puck is also a European folklore character. He's a shape-shifting sprite/hobgoblin/elf that presides over housholds, playing tricks on the families. More ominously, in Old and Middle English the name 'Puck' literally meant demon.
@ranaanarodien9919
@ranaanarodien9919 5 ай бұрын
Thank you. I thought I was imagining things.
@amberdiorable
@amberdiorable 5 ай бұрын
thank you! exactly
@mathildehickman4696
@mathildehickman4696 5 ай бұрын
yes thank you
@ramadansteve9878
@ramadansteve9878 5 ай бұрын
@@SonderDAzeX Not in the play at least. Puck is an entertainer and loyal servant to Oberon, who respects and trusts Puck despite his fuck ups. Puck only interacts with Titania throughout the play because of the plot. They don't really have a relationship. There may be other works with these characters, and have the relationship you describe, but not one to my knowledge
@linsharkie
@linsharkie 5 ай бұрын
Yep, this was my read as well. Many of the characters seemed to have Midsummer Nights counterparts, Farleigh had on a donkey head to represent Bottom. Felix's wings suggest to me he would be Oberon, which would feel appropriate given Oliver's relationship to him.
@elevenandriver
@elevenandriver 5 ай бұрын
my interpretation of the bathtub/vampire scenes: oliver was so obsessed w Felix and his family/lifestyle that he wanted to consume them. drinking Felix’s bathwater and Venitia’s blood was one of the ways he felt he was able to do it. on the grave scene: Oliver used sex as a way to dominate Felix’s family. when he hooked up w Venetia he proceeded to try and control her food intake, when he assaulted Farleigh he kept urging him to say that he was “going to behave”. Oliver was never able to get that sexual relationship/domination over Felix until his death, which was why he finally fucked his grave. he took Felix’s life as his ultimate act of domination over him.
@nailinthefashion
@nailinthefashion 5 ай бұрын
I really deeply hate that premise lol. Portraying a desperate queer yet again is just ssoooooo borinngggggg, it doesn't matter how beautifully it's shot to me. It feels like misguided passion. I patiently wait to pirate it in HD once I'm in a bad mood and wanna make it worse. No wonder alt right people are loving it, they're mocking us once again 🥰
@marcelinegarcia4330
@marcelinegarcia4330 5 ай бұрын
I agree with your take Oliver in the movie.
@daddybendover69
@daddybendover69 5 ай бұрын
@@nailinthefashion I think your take is rooted in some internalized homophobia. Str8 people can be deranged, have intense obsessive love, and not be defined by it. I get what you're saying but the queerness in the movie is all around, not just in Oliver. It feels like you're deeming this a "gay movie" and are viewing it through that lens when it is just a movie, it is no longer 2007, movies featuring a queer main character does not have to be centrally about their identity struggle nor does it have to have a prosocial message. I think expecting that of queer characters in film is reminiscent of a time when gay characters and stories were just tokens.
@nailinthefashion
@nailinthefashion 5 ай бұрын
@@daddybendover69 no, read my other comments. The nuance is that I want more from it. If you're going to do this, it cannot be the first thought. This reads to me as too basic. His motivations, the act itself, explore more. It's too succinct to be concise, it's curt. It doesn't leave me wanting in a way like the Dreamers does, where I can spend time focusing on one aspect of it, see it again, see more. It is like a student film. This is a generous IFC 8. I'll watch it once, frown, and wish I had directed it hahahaha. But not in that magical, envious way like I do as a watercolor artist after Wish or Lilo and Stitch. In like a, we deserved more than gif-able scenes way.
@daddybendover69
@daddybendover69 5 ай бұрын
@@nailinthefashion you touting Wish as a triumph but calling this a student film is wild. Alrighty we just disagree I think.
@o.OoOOOoOOoOOoO
@o.OoOOOoOOoOOoO 5 ай бұрын
i like to think his obsession is first shown when he’s trying to sleep with who felix was dating in college
@hollow_me_out
@hollow_me_out 5 ай бұрын
How's no one else talking about this? You're so right 💯
@thisbrightlight4047
@thisbrightlight4047 5 ай бұрын
This was when I first started questioning him in general. The severity of his obsession and even if how he was portraying himself was the real him since we were supposed to be perceiving him as innocent.
@bunnywavyxx9524
@bunnywavyxx9524 5 ай бұрын
but it was she who approached him. And he said that Felix wouldnt have cared. It was the girl's obsession with Felix; he's this ellusive, alluring figure that nobody really knows. It's not just oliver that wants a piece of him. They all do. Obviously we know oliver didn't actually care. I think it's shown in the very beginning.
@sandy80334
@sandy80334 4 ай бұрын
I think it shows Oliver only wants things that are at Felix’s standard, kinda starting that sick obsession. He can dismiss that girls feelings because that’s what Felix did. In some ways Oliver’s actions throughout the movie are much like the girls that night. Willing to go to extremes to get closer to Felix, to get some kind of reaction out of him even if negative. To be seen by Felix is to be seen by society, it’s not just his looks that are appealing it’s his blood( looking at you sissy lol) his status, hell even his rock tradition seemed like entering into a secret society of the worthy.
@luliboelihlendibongo1036
@luliboelihlendibongo1036 4 ай бұрын
yessssssssssss
@eboniz
@eboniz 5 ай бұрын
as a brit, the part where they’re sat at the table after his death is sooo english. the “carry on” attitude of english ppl genuinely makes me feel like i’m in an alternate universe. it’s a universal experience to have been through an utterly life changing experience but still being told to remember your manners. keep your feelings inside.
@corsacs3879
@corsacs3879 5 ай бұрын
honestly yeah, that scene is sooo hard hitting as a brit, but i don’t think people from other countries really would get it
@michaelaporee260
@michaelaporee260 5 ай бұрын
@@corsacs3879very interesting to hear as an American I never thought that.
@GoodnessKnowsProductions
@GoodnessKnowsProductions 5 ай бұрын
American with big T trauma here👋 My family makes me feel guilty for my equally big emotions, and believe common mental illnesses are situational and always manageable. This environment fosters shame, aka more big emotions. This is a scoop of some good ole generational trauma with a sprinkling of "man up" masageny. However, the current climate is much more open to the importance of expression/ mental health. I'm sorry you experience this. Hope things get better🫶
@user-df7iz3wc8k
@user-df7iz3wc8k 5 ай бұрын
That scene was so well done
@eboniz
@eboniz 5 ай бұрын
@@corsacs3879 it’s one of those things that everyone will be like “it’s universal” but it’s quite literally x10 in england for some reason. probably because it’s a sinister country given our history, we tend to brush everything under the rug, especially older generations. it’s bizarre.
@samanthahoey854
@samanthahoey854 5 ай бұрын
My only issue with the ending is that it explicitly says and shows how Oliver had planned it all from the beginning and walks the audience through it. It seemed like it didn’t trust the audience to be smart enough to put 2 and 2 togther and realize that he had puppetmastered this outcome. I think they could’ve cut that stuff out and shown him dancing around and arranging the stones and we would’ve been able to horrifically put it togther rather than lazily having it handed to us
@codyseelye8352
@codyseelye8352 5 ай бұрын
True that would of been better
@katgrant3786
@katgrant3786 5 ай бұрын
then we wouldn't have seen the peen tho 😂😅
@coolbeanz2606
@coolbeanz2606 5 ай бұрын
I honestly thought about it for a second but wouldnt have guessed it really till they put it together
@coolbeanz2606
@coolbeanz2606 5 ай бұрын
I just feel like cinema has to reach a large audience not just the ones who understand and are involved in it so showing the way he did that is good for audience members who arent as savvy
@ilydetou
@ilydetou 5 ай бұрын
exactly my thoughts!!!
@laurenlester1418
@laurenlester1418 5 ай бұрын
I always took the ending as Oliver was so obsessed with Felix and it spiraled out of control so when he's speaking at the end he's trying to justify everything he did. He's trying to get himself to believe the lies. And a little theory I had was that when Oliver poisoned Felix, he wanted them to go out Romeo and Juliet style but when Felix said "you make my blood run cold" went to go throw up what he has just drank. Thus (lol) leaving Felix to die alone. There's a lot of Shakespeare references in here as well as Greek mythology. It's a beautiful and disturbing film. 10/10
@ChiliCrisp88
@ChiliCrisp88 4 ай бұрын
I agree with everything you just said! I initially thought that Ollie vomiting was another diversion and part of his scheming as, whenever there was vomit on screen, it had been used throughout the film to signal Ollie’s deception. When he got a phone call from him moments later, then proceeded to go to Felix with a fabricated sob story. When Felix gave him a rock to throw for his dad and it landed in vomit. However, seeing it framed as dying together like Romeo and Juliet hits so much harder and makes more of an impact to me. Like, he woke up feeling disoriented and afraid to know what came about from the consequences of his actions. At the core of it all, Ollie is a selfish, self-serving bastard that only does things for his own benefit and gain. So, he can go through with losing the object of his obsession dying at his hands, yet he still needs the closure of sodomizing his grave. Since he has physically lost Felix, he will now cling on to and consume the extensions of Felix, that being his family and property. Gosh, thank you for your insight!
@laurenlester1418
@laurenlester1418 4 ай бұрын
@@ChiliCrisp88 you're so welcome☺️
@celinalolz4953
@celinalolz4953 5 ай бұрын
I’ve read that the fucking part of the grave scene was actually Barry’s idea lol. Like Emerald just had a sobbing Oliver in mind but Barry was like “let me try something” so it’s all on him 😄
@kelseychangesthesubject4281
@kelseychangesthesubject4281 5 ай бұрын
Omg wait so it was his actual p33n in the actual dirt??? lol
@zid902002
@zid902002 5 ай бұрын
The undressing part is in the script. Only the later half was Barry's. According to the screenplay: "He lies down. Stroking the earth where Felix’s face might be. Then slowly, weeping, he undresses... END OF MONTAGE"
@celinalolz4953
@celinalolz4953 5 ай бұрын
@@zid902002right thanks for the correction :)
@helenalovelock1030
@helenalovelock1030 5 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂 brilliant
@xfreja
@xfreja 5 ай бұрын
NAHHH 💀💀💀
@trinaq
@trinaq 5 ай бұрын
Barry Keoghan definitely deserves an Oscar nomination for his performance. He was so chilling in his role.
@calebisdisposable
@calebisdisposable 5 ай бұрын
no he doesn’t
@3starsburningbright
@3starsburningbright 5 ай бұрын
@@calebisdisposable why is this so funny to me
@MineralTown
@MineralTown 5 ай бұрын
i thought he was fantastic in banshees but here.. he was good but no. no one deserves an oscar in this film lmao
@isaacainsworth4537
@isaacainsworth4537 5 ай бұрын
Dont be daft ​@@MineralTown
@rubyrusso9678
@rubyrusso9678 5 ай бұрын
@@MineralTown cause you are butthurt well i hope they do win some award now to maje you more butthurt this movie was flawless but crybaby people just sit and pout 😂😂😂
@jinjinjiniya6246
@jinjinjiniya6246 5 ай бұрын
The period scene i feel like is integral because the blood imo is symbolic of the blood relationship between the two siblings and how the blood relative was the closest thing he had to actually having intercourse with her brother.
@JM-cz1ps
@JM-cz1ps 5 ай бұрын
i also think is foreshadowing her death, because after that scene he takes a bath in the bathtub where she later dies
@Ben-zp6ge
@Ben-zp6ge 5 ай бұрын
@@JM-cz1psVenetia’s death scene also sort of juxtaposes Oliver’s bath scene because we see Oliver from within the water with blood round his mouth, whereas we see Venetia from above but her mouth is submerged. It sort of links the 2 from very different perspectives
@wotm122
@wotm122 5 ай бұрын
Great point, didn't think about that
@flippedwafflesokurr728
@flippedwafflesokurr728 5 ай бұрын
Trin screaming, crying, and throwing up at the bathtub and vampire scene while also loving the scenes is the definition of the ‘Saltburn’ experience 👏
@hisfavworstnightmare
@hisfavworstnightmare 4 ай бұрын
yes 😭
@whereibelong25
@whereibelong25 2 ай бұрын
The way she’s just gagging and trying to explain things and then suddenly I’m gagging…😂
@heyygallo
@heyygallo 5 ай бұрын
I REALLY wish instead of the evil and conniving sociopath plot twist, they would’ve leaned fully into Oliver as a moth. Not as someone hellbent on destroying the Catton’s and stealing their wealth, but as someone who cannot resist his own nature, just as a moth does not create holes with the intent of destruction. The demise of the Cattons then wouldn’t be because Oliver intentionally killed them, but as a result of his utter obsession with Felix. Oliver’s actions lead in one way or another to Felix’s death and incite a chain reaction. Venetia kills herself, Farleigh is kicked out, Sir James dies of grief, and Elspeth becomes a shadow of her former self. She begs Oliver to stay with her until her own eventual death years later. Oliver is never written into the will and has to leave Saltburn to return to a “normal” life, maybe even blissfully unaware of how his actions caused the downfall of an entire family, just like how a moth is unaware of the damage it causes. If Oliver is a moth, he cannot inherit Saltburn because it defeats the analogy. Moths destroy the very thing they’re drawn to, and you cannot have your cake and eat it too. I think the twist takes a lot of wind out of the movie’s sails while simultaneously spotlighting some plot holes, like how perfectly everything had to work in Oliver’s favor for his plan to pan out like he anticipated. I would’ve much preferred a narrative about his obsession with Felix and how, despite his intentions, it causes the death of the entire Catton family. Lastly, this dynamic would’ve given Oliver’s sexual encounters with Venetia and Farleigh some merit instead of feeling shoehorned into the plot. If Oliver is obsessed with Felix’s perception of him, he will do whatever it takes to make sure nothing jeopardizes that. That means establishing dominance over family members who could influence Felix’s perception of Oliver, like Venetia and Farleigh. This would again further the moth analogy as Oliver creates more and more holes in the Catton family without realizing the ramifications. Moreover, it would tie back into the puppet symbolism as Oliver manages to one by one seduce the entire family, all for the sake of his obsession with Felix.
@MeLsoSweLL
@MeLsoSweLL 5 ай бұрын
This is amazing , I 100% agree I really like the math narrative and Venetia’s moment in the movie where she calls him out and calls him a moth If they would’ve played off of that, and proceeded with the ending that you mention it would’ve been a 10 out of 10!!!
@heyygallo
@heyygallo 5 ай бұрын
@@MeLsoSweLL It’s frustrating cause I feel like the movie presents Venetia’s moth analogy as the truth, as the moment someone finally clocks Oliver for who he really is, but that’s not the case at all because he isn’t a moth - he’s a skinwalker parading as a harmless animal. Every act committed against the Cattons is deliberate and calculated down to Oliver’s first ever encounter with Felix. A plot centered around the destructive nature of obsession and, more specifically, Oliver’s complete lack of awareness regarding the consequences of his actions would’ve been so perfect in my opinion. It would’ve been so chilling for him to leave Saltburn with his rolly bag, completely unaware that his actions killed an entire family.
@MeLsoSweLL
@MeLsoSweLL 5 ай бұрын
@@heyygallo This is such an amazing analysis I agree I wish I could’ve seen that or even two parallel outcomes of his actions. I know that’s a bit of a reach, but I don’t know that could’ve been cool to see.
@jjsmama401
@jjsmama401 5 ай бұрын
I agree. This movie had so much promise. But the ending was lame.
@blairg8171
@blairg8171 4 ай бұрын
I like this idea much much better
@joshgibbs7346
@joshgibbs7346 5 ай бұрын
I saw this four times in the cinema, and I can say the best part about this movie is watching other people watch it
@plasticjesus444
@plasticjesus444 5 ай бұрын
one of my favorite theater going experiences ever (packed theater in nyc at like 11pm)
@joshgibbs7346
@joshgibbs7346 5 ай бұрын
THATS SO IDEAL WTF
@helenalovelock1030
@helenalovelock1030 5 ай бұрын
Exactly
@spideyniall
@spideyniall 5 ай бұрын
omg I saw it 4 times in the cinema too and honestly the experience of just seeing it in the theatre was toooooo good
@sandrahatherley2184
@sandrahatherley2184 4 ай бұрын
Wish I could have seen it in the theater.@@plasticjesus444
@Joanna-Wactor
@Joanna-Wactor 5 ай бұрын
I love the scene where they find Felix in the maze… seeing him as the fallen angel while his murderer was leant on the statue of the Minotaur… ICONIC
@alex_walters
@alex_walters 5 ай бұрын
everyone talked about the bathtub scene on Tiktok but oh my god how can anyone ignore the scene with the sister and the grave scene those two scenes shocked me to my core 10/10
@nailinthefashion
@nailinthefashion 5 ай бұрын
Sexual desensitization vs almost universally gross thing outside of the like, 5 people with a bathwater kink
@stephaniebenedict2452
@stephaniebenedict2452 4 ай бұрын
It was him pulling the tube from Elspeth and it flying across the room for me
@TanaBueno
@TanaBueno 4 ай бұрын
@@stephaniebenedict2452no fr I GASPED
@ThePhobiephozee2000
@ThePhobiephozee2000 5 ай бұрын
The movie is one of the most brilliant explorations of human desire I’ve seen. Oliver was obsessed with Felix the moment he saw him. This can be equated to the concept of “love at first site” where the experience of “love” at this point is unjustified and centered around infatuation. So Oliver, the manipulative genius, hatches his plan to get closer to Felix. His plan was not entirely premeditated and I personally believe he never would have gone through with killing any of the Saltburns if Felix had reciprocated his feelings or if he wouldn’t have sent Oliver away after he found out about the lies. I base this reasoning off the context of the information we’re given during the ending “reveal”. If you notice, his speech has two parts, the part where he says he ‘loved him’ which shows us the initial steps of his plans and the moments he was most attracted to Felix, and the part where he says he ‘hated him’ where we see his plan turn sinister but more importantly we’re shown that when he says he ‘hated’ Felix, the moments that accompany the edit are the moments he felt most rejected/unreciprocated by Felix. Oliver was obsessed with Felix but it’s the kind of obsession people often confuse with love since in the moment the desire and the passion feels all consuming. This obsession however isn’t love or at least not unconditional love where you can accept being unreciprocated and embrace the autonomy of the other. Oliver’s “love” or more accurately his infatuation was conditional on being kept in Felix’s life. When Felix was done with Oliver, Oliver killed him and his family because he knew that if he couldn’t have Felix he could at least possess everything Felix has and represents. In the end loving Felix mattered less than possessing him which is why he was able to go through with the killing in spite of his desire. This desire however was still strong in Oliver which is why we have the grave scene. Again, he didn’t love or respect Felix’s grave, he still wanted him in spite of everything and f-ing his grave was his most desperate expression of wanting something he couldn’t have. I know this scene was controversial to some but I thought it was brilliant as it’s the perfect way of showing how Oliver, mad with obsession, prioritizes the satisfaction of his own desire over honoring Felix’s life. He never loved Felix but he sure did want him.
@mtaylor2529
@mtaylor2529 4 ай бұрын
i love this analysis
@LadyScaper
@LadyScaper 3 ай бұрын
The best analysis.
@Ahoialasi
@Ahoialasi 5 ай бұрын
I also think it was a wasted opportunity to not to insinuate more how Saltburn was some sort of spiritual, symbolic extension of Felix and by inheriting it in the end, Oliver finally got together with his almost lover. I do believe the director had this idea in mind because both the vampire scene (consuming his sister's blood) and the bathub scene (well, we know what he consumed lol) alluded to that. But it all kind of washed in the end and they made it seem like it was always about money and wealth and I don't believe that's the case
@oliviasanders3181
@oliviasanders3181 5 ай бұрын
I totally agree with the "wtf happened to the original plot of the movie." I was getting the obsession plot, but then suddenly he was a criminal mastermind?
@LadyScaper
@LadyScaper 3 ай бұрын
That’s what Oliver tells himself.
@youngneanderthal
@youngneanderthal 5 ай бұрын
also as someone who loved this movie, my two cents on why the plot twist ending is not satisfying is because it robs us of oliver’s corruption arc and the aspects of the obsession trope, because then it was basically retconned (in a pretty lazy way imo) so that all of what we just watched for the first hour and a half didn’t matter at all. i love a morally gray and even evil protagonist, but the way that oliver’s evilness was just always inherent and not a result of corruption makes it so much shallower and means he has no autonomy as a character.
@matildabadejo9375
@matildabadejo9375 5 ай бұрын
I personally think the flaw with the ending is that it played out weirdly. Showing his initial tactics to get close to Felix with his tactics to dispose of the rest of the family and gain Saltburn makes it seem like that was the plan all along, which I don’t think it was since (I don’t think) there was any evidence he knew about Saltburn from the beginning. I believe the two, his obsession with Felix and then with his house and life, to be somewhat separate although overlapping at times and therefore not mutually contradictory. I do think there were some tell signs that he was annoyed at the way he and anyone considered of lower status was viewed (ex. Pamela and her death) but it doesn’t make much sense since he wasn’t actually poor or lower class(unless he lied so much he actually believed to have become who he was pretending to be). Definitely could’ve been fleshed out more in some parts but I didn’t dislike it too much
@waetae
@waetae 5 ай бұрын
I feel like it might not have been his original plan to kill the family. Which is why it might feel choppy as a viewer because it wasn't his true goal. I'm the end he tells it like it is, but he's a known liar so it could've been his own attempts at justifying the turn. Personally I'm not even sure if he intended to kill Felix in that scene because he drank so much of the poison himself and does nothing to confirm that Felix drank any. So could he have been twisting the narrative as things in his original goal and obsession with Felix shift?
@theOnlyEliottMoon
@theOnlyEliottMoon 4 ай бұрын
To me, it reads more like...the movie is Oliver fucking up. He fucks up with Felix and poisons him because he knows he's losing him and by that, he'd lose everything. It's better to lose Felix this way and make it seem like Felix never wanted to abandon him, he just died... Then Venetia got too close to the truth and she couldn't have his new existence, as the beloved family friend, if she was against him... He accepted the money to leave because...what else was there to do? But the moment the lord dies, he's back because he wants to be close to Felix, which he can only do at Saltburn, he wants and deserves the splendor and the feeling of being important and singular... But Elspeth is aging and needy and he manages to make her sign the stuff over... And when he explains...it's him, trying to convince himself that he's such a genius, he planned all of it instead of having fucked up so many times...
@maki_rollin9020
@maki_rollin9020 5 ай бұрын
the way you...walked us through the grave scene had me DYING
@louisamarlie
@louisamarlie 5 ай бұрын
I think it was never really Oliver’s plan to take over Saltburn and to kill almost everyone. I read some articles about the movie and in one interview, Emerald, the director, said that Oliver initially only wanted to meet Felix and to be friends with him. He obviously had this obsession with Felix already. Then he wanted more, he wanted to be his best friend and then he wanted to stay best friends with him and then he wanted more, and more and more. He’s manipulative and he can read people. He arranged the meeting with Felix and he knew what he had to do so that Felix would feel sorry for him. In addition, I think Oliver actually was this kind of shy person (at the beginning) but with Felix by his side and him living at Saltburn, he gained more confidence and shortly after, he realised that it was pretty easy to manipulate the family (prey becomes the predator). I think he did love Felix and he was in love with him and when he realised that Felix doesn’t want to be around him anymore (because he lied about his family situation), he kills him because Felix will never love him the same way he loves Felix. Felix wanting Oliver to leave seems like another reason for him to kill Felix (he didn’t want to leave Saltburn and Felix could have told his family that he is a liar). I think if Felix never found out about Oliver’s lies, Oliver probably wouldn’t have killed him and the others. Maybe Oliver wanted to take over Saltburn to still feel close to Felix, like the mansion being an embodiment of Felix. Or he wanted to take over Saltburn to continue living a life like Felix. Like he didn’t just want to have Felix but to be Felix. Emerald also said that the ideal happy ending from Oliver’s perspective would have been him being married with Felix and living at Saltburn. And Oliver owning Saltburn is like the best happy ending that he can have. Also I think Oliver fucked the grave to finally be close to Felix and have sex with him since he couldn’t while Felix was alive. Thanks for coming to my TED talk :D
@RB-.-
@RB-.- 5 ай бұрын
Yes this is true. People who say that Oliver planned everything from the beginning are wrong. He only put a hole in felix’s tire to get his attention & possibly friendship. He isn’t even aware of just how wealthy Felix is until he gets to Saltburn and the camera explicitly shows his shock and awe at how large and grand the estate is. What starts as a borderline unhealthy obsession on a boy he likes turns into a lust for wealth, status & belonging after getting a taste of it.
@louisamarlie
@louisamarlie 5 ай бұрын
@@RB-.- Yeah I see it the same way, but I’m still confused why Oliver said that he loved and hated Felix. Was he envy about some aspects of Felix’ life that he couldn’t have? Or was he aware that Felix kinda used him to feel better about himself? I also think that Felix was attracted to Oliver but he didn’t really knew what love is either.
@RB-.-
@RB-.- 5 ай бұрын
@@louisamarlie The way i interpret is: Oliver loved him no doubt but he also hated him because his love was not returned & didn’t get all of the intimate attention he wanted. I think we’ve all had friends or crushes that make us angry when they don’t see us the same way we see them. But yes I believe some envy is possible as well. I think Felix was partially a decently friendly person but also had a savior complex and took pride in “elevating” those who were lower in status like the previous boys he’d befriended and eventually got bored of after them coming to Saltburn.
@louisamarlie
@louisamarlie 5 ай бұрын
@@RB-.- Makes sense, thanks :) I think the film has a lot of different themes so you can think about it for days :D
@michaeladkins6
@michaeladkins6 5 ай бұрын
Oliver couldnt have concocted the plan until members of the family exposed each others vulnerabilities. "Dogs sleeping with their bellies showing".
@youngneanderthal
@youngneanderthal 5 ай бұрын
the thing about the bathtub scene and grave scene is they make more sense *without* the existence of the plot twist ending, whereas the vampire scene fits better in the context *with* the ending, which is why i think it feels somewhat incongruous to include all three
@illogical001
@illogical001 5 ай бұрын
The Bathtub scene and the grave scene would make sense if Oliver WAS in love with Felix. It would be such a simple fix. He still had to kill him regardless, otherwise he couldn’t proceed his plan of taking over Saltburn. He would’ve been kicked out right after the party. But it would be too close to the ending of Mr Ripley.
@youngneanderthal
@youngneanderthal 5 ай бұрын
@@illogical001 exactly! like he could have still done everything he did AND been obsessed with/in love with felix, but if instead he’s been planning this from the beginning and never actually even cared felix, then oliver’s characterization in private moments doesn’t make sense.
@eboniz
@eboniz 5 ай бұрын
@@youngneanderthalsaying he never actually cared for felix is completely inaccurate. he was utterly infatuated with him. you’re looking at it through the lens of a sane person. to us it would feel obvious that you’d hate someone if you kill them. but regular people don’t murder people.
@youngneanderthal
@youngneanderthal 5 ай бұрын
@@eboniz the main reason i argue that the obsession was not true is less because of the character himself and more due to the framing. there was almost no point in the movie where we got to see oliver becoming obsessed with felix before he set his plan into motion. if some of the early scenes (like the bike scene) hadn’t been staged by oliver, it would give more credence to him being obsessed or infatuated. instead, because of the ending plot twist, there are almost no (if any) scenes where oliver is interacting with felix outside of the context of his plan, which i think weakens the notion of him ever having feelings for him at all.
@dervie3131
@dervie3131 5 ай бұрын
@@youngneanderthalsorry to jump in but i would argue that makes the obsession angle stronger? oliver puncturing the wheel in felix’s bike gives him an in. he set so much stuff up to become close to felix which to me absolutely supports the narrative that it was mainly done out of a love/obsession with him. i see the final act+ending as a way for oliver to sort of forever be tied to felix. once oliver was caught lying he was going to be kicked out never to be seen again so the only option was to kill felix. and then he took his home and his family as a way to forever have a piece of him(felix)
@kyranbates3214
@kyranbates3214 5 ай бұрын
It’s so frustrating having people just disregard the idea that Oliver loved Felix because the way in which it ended and made him out to be a predator doing anything to take down his family. He was in love with Felix - but he also hated him. In my interpretation, he doesn’t suck up the bath water etc for power reasons or the idea of consuming them or their wealth. But infact the dying need of wanting to be close to Felix - which is repeated in the graveyard scene which although what the did - shows the oxymoronic love / hate story
@QuestionsIAskMyself
@QuestionsIAskMyself 5 ай бұрын
I personally disagree, I don’t think he loved Felix, I think he loved the access to Saltburn through Felix.
@kyranbates3214
@kyranbates3214 5 ай бұрын
@@QuestionsIAskMyself if he wasn’t in love with him then what would be the reason for having sex with the grave? although the love may not of been pure all the time - there must of been a desire to be intimate - it’s obvious that he loved him to some degree, the start of the film starts with i loved him
@louisamarlie
@louisamarlie 5 ай бұрын
Oliver did love Felix. Emerald, the director herself, said that the ideal happy ending from Oliver’s perspective would have been him being married with Felix and living at Saltburn. She also said “…we touch something having their jumper or whatever it is, the closest thing to them, whether that’s a person or a thing“, which explains why Oliver drank the bath water and fucked the grave. He did everything (desperately) to feel close to Felix since he was never able to actually touch him and get Felix‘s love in return.
@kyranbates3214
@kyranbates3214 5 ай бұрын
@@louisamarlie yes!!!!
@Ben-zp6ge
@Ben-zp6ge 5 ай бұрын
I think it was interesting because there is a very fine line between being in love with someone and wanting to be them. Lines can get blurred between the 2
@stanaccountonly.5047
@stanaccountonly.5047 5 ай бұрын
I think that Oliver eating Venetia out despite her being on her period showed that literally nothing, not even something as smelly and taboo as period blood, would get in his way of controlling that family and securing his place among them as their favorite charity case.
@yashiegurl98
@yashiegurl98 5 ай бұрын
the way that barry improvised the grave scene too....he didn't even have to do all that!! crazy little man
@blondie9422
@blondie9422 5 ай бұрын
Hahaha that’s wild 😂
@sierraselby5176
@sierraselby5176 5 ай бұрын
I definitely interpreted Felix’s costume as Juliet in terms of Felix being perceived as this near perfect, almost angelic object of love and desire. Especially when he *spoiler* dies from being poisoned which mirrors Juliets death (her first one in the play and both in the 1996 movie). As for Oliver, I saw this really cool theory about him representing the minotaur! Apparently the myth goes that the minotaur was created to terrorize this one specific family and was kept in a maze/ labyrinth to prevent him from getting out. The minotaur’s number one goal was to terrorize the family while ultimately being cursed to be isolated in his loneliness. I think this theory really fits well with Oliver’s over-arching plan and ending, plus there’s a minotaur statue in the middle of Saltburn’s maze!
@user-sd1fy6nw8g
@user-sd1fy6nw8g 5 ай бұрын
The Minotaur was the bastard son of king Minos’ wife who had a thing for bulls. King Minos has Daedalus create a labyrinth to hide this abomination and each year to appease the Minotaur young men and women were let loose in the maze as prey
@mayalee9073
@mayalee9073 4 ай бұрын
Not only does Oliver’s costume resemble the Minotaur trapped in the labyrinth, but Felix’s costume (I think) has a Greek meaning too. Felix’s costume is golden wings, resembling the story of Icarus. Icarus was the son of Daedalus (previously mentioned inventor of the maze). Daedalus and Icarus was trapped in a tower in the labyrinth, so Daedalus invented two sets of golden wings for the pair. He warns Icarus that the wings are made of gold and wax, so he couldn’t fly too close to the sun or the wings would melt and Icarus’s would die. As one may assume, Icarus flew too close to the sun in ignorant bliss and fell to his death. Felix’s role as the precious, spoiled son parallels Icarus’ story. Furthermore, the fact the Oliver hunted Felix as the Minotaur hunted Icarus to keep him in the labyrinth isn’t a coincidence. However one wants to interpret that, I think the Greek parallels of the costumes are just as important as the angel/deer symbolism.
@trinaq
@trinaq 5 ай бұрын
I felt that they bashed the audience over the head regarding showing Oliver orchestrating meeting Felix and setting up the murders. It would have been better had they been as subtle as they were in the beginning
@wiiuwiiu4061
@wiiuwiiu4061 5 ай бұрын
A very similar movie that came out was parasite (SK movie). And compared to that experience i realised my main qualms with Saltburn. Saltburn frames the story as a hate letter to the rich, and how they treat the poor, but unlike parasite, they dont really show that in most situations, the poor are at a disadvantage. Parasite shows that disadvantage and that the real parasites are the rich, while saltburn is more 'fear the poor'.
@lexg5317
@lexg5317 5 ай бұрын
I think all the disturbing scenes were integral bcs it makes us realise that this movie isnt just about Oliver's obsession with Felix, but with his lust for status, power and control, and how far he will go to achieve his goals. He is willing to lie, manipulate and do depraved things that would disgust the average person. Occam's razor. The reason those things are shown and aim to gross us out is so that there is no doubt in the viewers mind that Oliver is a disgusting human being. Also ngl probably for shock value too, but that doesnt bother me. The bathtub scene showcases how obsessed he is with Felix and how much he wants to be him, sleep with him, touch him, possess and consume him. But at the same time he views him as this angelic untouchable god so he has to keep his distance. Instead he seeks to control and his family members. So he manipulates and negs Venetia. Makes her feel like shit, dominates her verbally and sexually. He then does the sme to Farley. He pushes their boundaries and imo gets off when these people of higher status submit to him. In addition, the reason he tries to get rid of Farley and then kills Felix and Venetia is bcs, while he doesnt mind using them as pawns, when they get a glimpse of the real him, they start posing a threat and he has to get rid of them. I think Felix being alive grounded him in a weird sense. There was one thing he wasnt willing to do and that was murder. But as soon as hes done that, why not use it as yet another tool in his arsenal? Just another way to get what he wants?
@louisamarlie
@louisamarlie 5 ай бұрын
This!! Also I think he killed Felix because he realised that he could never be together with Felix since he doesn’t want to be around Oliver anymore. This and Felix‘s thread that Oliver has to leave Saltburn. In addition, Emerald, the director, said „…If you can’t get to the thing that you want to get, it’s what’s the nearest thing?…“ meaning if Oliver can‘t have Felix, at least he can have Saltburn to still feel close to him, I guess.
@Senate300
@Senate300 5 ай бұрын
I don't think he killed Venitia. He simply handed her the tools to kill herself.
@lisakohly2768
@lisakohly2768 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!! This is the best take I've seen so far (or at least the one most in line with my own experience). Cool how people can have different views of course, but glad to see other people see what I see!!
@mckenziecoleus3886
@mckenziecoleus3886 4 ай бұрын
The way Trin slowly describes the grave scene trying to justify his actions as they get weirder and ,ore depraved and her slowly becoming more disgusted is so funny
@laneomeara4242
@laneomeara4242 5 ай бұрын
I think you’re also supposed to doubt Oliver when he says that he was never in love with Felix. The confession reveal scene with the Mom tells us that he might be a bit in denial as well, which is scary because sometimes obsession manifest without actual awareness. This definitely was a plan from the beginning to become apart of saltburn and the family, but I don’t necessarily think all of the deaths were planned from the beginning. It’s almost out of necessity because he realizes that his connection to saltburn through Felix is gone and as he realizes that the other connections are slowly dwindling. He resorts to being the last one standing.
@thebacteriawasbeatentodeath
@thebacteriawasbeatentodeath 5 ай бұрын
I do actually think the grave scene was necessary, kind of like the bath scene. One of Oliver's main ways of asserting dominance over Felix's family was physical/sexual; he did it to farley and venetia but he never was able to do it to Felix, the one person who he obviously desired the most by far. That is why he makes love to the grave: that was his way of being able to dominate another member of the family - the one he was extremely obsessed with - after his death. This scene is where Oliver gets a sort-of closure to the sexual aspect of his obsession with Felix, but his obsession is only slightly altered, and it never dies out completely. His obsession is, and always was, never just about felix (as you said) - his obsession is also with his lifestyle, wealth, class, family, etc. He wants felix, but he also wants to be felix, and so he still maintains his obsession and is motivated by it - which is why I disagree a little with the fact that his obsession with felix disappears mostly in the third act. Plus, he can still be seen doing things that are weird and obsessive towards felix - in the scene where he is talking to venetia in the bathtub before she dies, she says that Oliver is wearing Felix's aftershave. He is still using Felix's things, trying to be him and lust over him at the same time. Anyway I still really liked your video :) I'm still curious though, I'm trying to figure out the symbolism of the minotaur in the maze. If anyone can help with that, lmk
@kaiafie
@kaiafie 5 ай бұрын
I think it's so interesting that Farleigh loses everything (even though it was tenuous that he'd have that wealth for the rest of his life) but gets to live, so he and Oliver switch positions by the end
@nathanmask5014
@nathanmask5014 5 ай бұрын
I don’t think the vampire scene was needless I think it’s foreshadowing the idea of him being a “vampire” and leeching off the family untill they’re all dead, and the classism represented from the eggs scene was really interesting for looking at the relation Oliver has with privilege before the twist was revealed
@k1ssy0urh3art
@k1ssy0urh3art 5 ай бұрын
honestly despite the disturbing scenes, this is a comfort movie for me. the characters, the score, the twists and turns. it’s just so hauntingly beautiful
@magicman2881
@magicman2881 5 ай бұрын
Yesss, it’s honestly intimate
@blondie9422
@blondie9422 5 ай бұрын
I’m posh British and I just find it really comforting. The accents, the passive aggressive undertones, ignoring huge elephants in the room and talking about the weather, dry wit etc. It’s all very familiar and comforting to me 😂
@maryy.angell
@maryy.angell 5 ай бұрын
27:27 they way trin describes the scene, so tragically, so confused and traumatized all in one was amazing bravo, I felt like I saw it with out seeing it, so now I’m also traumatized
@queerlyvictorian
@queerlyvictorian 5 ай бұрын
I think that along with Oliver being an unreliable narrator throughout, he’s lied to himself too. I don’t think he really “planned it all along,” but that’s what he’s told himself. It’s the story he’s living in by the end. But the whole time he’s just been trying to get close to Felix and everything to do with him, by whatever means necessary. He still is the moth, but he sees himself as something else.
@legsorcist
@legsorcist 5 ай бұрын
aren’t they all supposed to be dressed up as a midsummer night’s dream characters during the party scene? i don’t remember much about the play but i assumed oliver was dressed as puck (mischievous fairy with horns) and felix just put on some wings and called himself a fairy (a reference to the comment about slutty girls coming as fairies earlier in the movies and another reveal of oliver as an unreliable narrator because, even though the movie (oliver’s view) sees him in this godlike way, he’s just a guy wearing a tank top and jeans)
@nailinthefashion
@nailinthefashion 5 ай бұрын
Uuugggghhhhhhhh. That would be so pretentious. Know your audience lmao
@legsorcist
@legsorcist 5 ай бұрын
i guess maybe most people overlooked it when they mentioned that that would be the theme of the party earlier in the movie? i honestly felt dumb when i saw other people trying to figure out who they were supposed to be since it felt like they just directly told us a few scenes before lol
@petalchild
@petalchild 4 ай бұрын
​@@nailinthefashion How exactly would that be pretentious? Are all literary references pretentious in your eyes?
@nailinthefashion
@nailinthefashion 4 ай бұрын
@@petalchild no the more cliché or obscure it gets the itchier I am wbu?
@petalchild
@petalchild 4 ай бұрын
@@nailinthefashion I mean you could make the argument that it's cliché, but definitely not obscure lol it's one of the most widely read and known Shakespeare plays. That's why I'm confused about your "know your audience" line..
@powerpeache1692
@powerpeache1692 5 ай бұрын
Felix costume also made me think of Greek mythology. When his dead body lies in the middle of the maze and you can only see his wings and the Minotaur in the background. In the story of Daedalus he help the creat the monster the Minotaur and then builds the Maze to keep him contained there. Him and his son Icarus are then held hostage by King Minos. Daedalus builds wings for them to escape but Icarus doesn’t listen to his fathers warnings and flies to close to the sun so the wax on his wings melt and he falls to his death. To add to this. In the beginning of the movie Ollie talks about the story of Apollo and Daphne. In this story Apollo is struck by an arrow of love and Daphne by an arrow of lead. She tries to run away from him to save her life and calls her father for help. He turn her into a tree but even that doesn’t stop Apollo. He hugs and kisses the tree and declares it his. Foreshadowing Ollie’s obsession with Felix the Bath and the Grave scene. Apollo is know as the god of the sun and Ollie is a representation of Apollo. And how does Ikarus die being to close to the sun.
@susanamariejoy
@susanamariejoy 5 ай бұрын
“What is Felix dressed as?” JULES FROM EUPHORIA.
@rachreid8746
@rachreid8746 5 ай бұрын
@28:48 - Wuthering Heights was my favbook when I was in junior high and this scene is based off a scene in that book. Heathcliff, tears apart a grave to get to his love that he was never able to have physically. Emerald quoted this book as the inspiration. Genius
@Kllyec
@Kllyec 5 ай бұрын
omg i had no idea, this completely changes my perspective on that scene, thanks for sharing!!
@indiajohnson4149
@indiajohnson4149 5 ай бұрын
I feel like as much as we don't always fully understand the nature of Oliver as a character, he slips up in that scene with Venetia because he tells her exactly who he is. He is a vampire. Vampires stalk their prey in the night, and drain them of their life force in order to empower themselves. Vampires are also famously immortal because of this, and in the film Oliver embodies all three qualities. He stalks Felix at Oxford, partying w him at night, voyeuristically watching him have sex with other girls through the window. Every sex scene is Oliver TAKING life force (sex/sexual fluids/sexuality are all metaphors for life force energy) and using it to empower himself and make him feel a sense of status and power. The bathtub scene, he takes Felix's privacy and self energy (masturbation). Venetia, he takes her menstrual blood and forces her to literally eat for him, then he eats her, taking more. With Farleigh, he again takes his life force in order to assert his control and dominance seeing as they start the film in relatively similar spaces of social insecurity. The only difference in their character motivations is that Farleigh has everything to lose, and Oliver has nothing to lose. That's why he wins in the end. The only time we see who Oliver really is at his core, and who he actually loves is the grave scene. Notice how in every other sex scene he is taking from them... But in this scene, it's the only scene where he actually gives. Now I know it might seem like a stretch but think about it. Him having sex with the grave, means he knows there is no life force left to take. He knows it is a completely one sided act and he will gain nothing from it. But he does it anyway and the only life force given is his own. He never tries to control Felix, or overpower him. He only wants to be as close to Felix as he possibly can. Even the bathtub scene he is taking but not in a way that is dominant, it's passive, it's accepting whatever leftover crumbs he could have and it's given by Felix of his own free will, it's not coerced out of him. Obviously at the end with Elspeth he finds a way to make her sick and drains her of her life force as well and kills her. I also thought it was interesting that all their deaths mirror way he manipulated them. Felix: drinking his sperm filled bath water vs. drinking his poison alcohol and ejaculating on the grave. Venetia: vampire scene vs dying in a bath of her own blood (beautifully foreshadowed by her over flowing wine glass in the previous scene). Farleigh: framed for stealing the paintings vs. framed for killing Felix. Elspeth: tricking her into trusting him vs. Tricking her into signing over the estate. This could also be read as being a stand in child for her, and then inheriting the estate as well. His last manipulation of Elspeth is where he finally embodies all three qualities of a vampire. By inheriting Saltburn he will finally be immortal because he will have a legacy through owning Saltburn which will allow his name to carry on immortalized assuming he has children. Something else I noticed that I wanted to touch on is that Elspeth and Sir James are shown repeatedly being very cavalier about tossing people out once they've overstayed their welcome (PDP and Farleigh) but did you notice how when Felix died, Elspeth explicit says "you're not leaving us are you? You're not leaving Saltburn?" Referring to Oliver... I thought that was a very interesting way of showing that he in fact DID belong there, at least from her perspective, she had grown to appreciate his presence in a way. Obviously, sir James disagreed and paid him off. But he got his comeuppance in the end as well. Overall I loved this movie for sooo many reasons even though I agree with the critiques of the screenplay, it could have been more clean and could have had a sharper execution. But the colors, the lighting, the cinematography, the performances, the nods to gothic, German expressionism, with a hint of neon noir, set against the back drop of the mid-naughties, with a sprinkle of the bourgening gen z gaze, was chef's kiss for me. The themes and characters were a bit inconsistent, but overall it was a fun, wild, shocking ride, that was breathtaking to consume, and I am hopeful that Barry Keoghan (Kee-oh-gan) gets some well deserved recognition for his impeccable performance.
@augureydragon
@augureydragon 5 ай бұрын
If you liked Saltburn I would recommend “Neon Demon”. It’s a similar concept, focuses more on narcissism and obsession with how someone looks as it is centered on the beauty industry. It’s also deeply disturbing, makes this movie look like a Gospel film in comparison. But it’s good, I really like the message it has and how well crafted it is. I am also super fascinated by the concept of obsession and what it does to a person, and I think “Neon Demon” is such a good commentary on it.
@nahhhbruhhh
@nahhhbruhhh 5 ай бұрын
Neon demon was so disappointing :/
@augureydragon
@augureydragon 5 ай бұрын
@@nahhhbruhhh I thought that when I first watched it, but going back and analyzing scenes and understanding deeper meanings to lines I just thought were weird has made me really appreciate it.
@topcat2085
@topcat2085 5 ай бұрын
"WHAT IF THERE WAS A CLOT OLIVER?" trin please i cant breathe
@lemonheadyum
@lemonheadyum 5 ай бұрын
Felix’s angel wings tattoo and costume were a foreshadow to me that he was going to die from the very beginning. And reflects how angelic he comes across in Oliver’s eyes. Oliver’s costume I think reflects on the Minotaur at the center of the maze and I think is a mask for how innocence he first appears but has a streak of violence in him.
@bowssanderos
@bowssanderos 5 ай бұрын
funny thing about the grave scene! Barry Keoghan was the one who ‘escalated’ the scene. The actions were similar in the script but one day on set Barry told Emerald Fennell ‘I think he’d unzip.’ The set was closed for the scene, obviously (just Emerald, Barry and a couple essential crew members) but yeah Barry Keoghan is a talented, freaky lil genius. (Source: i attended a talkback with Emerald Fennell when Saltburn was screened at this year’s Austin Film Festival)
@laribritor
@laribritor 5 ай бұрын
oliver's obsession with felix goes beyond wanting him tbh, thats what his sister talks about on the moth scene, oliver wants felix but he also wants to be felix, he loves him, he hates him and he wants to be him, thats why the movie keeps going after his death and only ends after saltburn is his.
@louisamarlie
@louisamarlie 5 ай бұрын
I think Felix was also kinda attracted to Oliver but not in the same intense way as Oliver. I mean why else would Felix leave the door open while he’s loudly moaning and masturbating? (He knew that Oliver‘s room was right next to the bathroom). I think he knew that Oliver was attracted to him. Felix was used to being desired and adored and enjoyed Oliver‘s attraction towards him. Maybe Felix would’ve had an affair with Oliver but he probably wouldn’t have wanted to be together with him, unlike Oliver. He was only another toy for Felix/potentially someone to have an affair with and he probably would have gotten bored of Oliver at some point. Also in the labyrinth, it seemed like Felix wanted to kiss Oliver but he was obviously also scared of him (plus someone mentioned how Felix was shaking after Oliver‘s confession because he may wanted to kiss Oliver despite him being scared).
@honeybee19892
@honeybee19892 4 ай бұрын
I think Felix was bi-curious but not brave enough to act on it so focused on women as his safe space. Also he is used to attention for his looks and I think he likes that attention from whoever he can get it from.
@louisamarlie
@louisamarlie 4 ай бұрын
@@honeybee19892 yes exactly!!
@martastaruch7952
@martastaruch7952 5 ай бұрын
HAS ANYONE NOTICED WHEN VENETIA TALKS ABOUT SHELLEY’S DOPPELGÄNGER APPEARING IN THE WINDOW, A DOPPELGÄNGER OF FELIX APPEARS IN THE WINDOW BEHIND HER!!!! I was so beyond excited when I noticed that 😂
@aitanah.8748
@aitanah.8748 5 ай бұрын
I'm going to confess something: I knew from the way Olli cried over and caressed the dirt that he would fuck it. I thought it was the best way to show how much he wanted him and how much he wanted to posses Felix. It made clear to me that he loved him in a terrible way and didn't want to flat out admit it to himself at the end (I also agree that the lifestyle that the family had and resentment were key factors, but not the only things that fuelled Ollie's obsession with having Saltburn for himself). I never thought i would say this about a grave-fucking scene, like... ever, but i would have thought that something was missing if it was just him laying on it. Even if that alone was also hard to watch and raw. I think that scene is all about the YEARNING and maybe? maybe, regret (regret that he didn't touch Felix earlier? that he was caught in a lie too soon? that he killed him?) I thought about Icarus when we see Felix inside the labyrinth from above and the wings shine. I think that there's deff something there, the Minotaur is right there too I'm going on a tangent here. hear me out i'm surprised noone (that i have seen) is talking about Dionysus, or Bacchus, ancient god of wine, insanity and festivity, between other things. He used to be associated with goats and bulls, that were sacrificed on his rituals. Bacchus was portrayed as kinda fruity (if you know what i mean) a few times and there's one of them that stuck with me: he promised that he would make a man his lover if he guided him through the underworld, but the man died before Dionysus could perform his part of the deal so he...... created a wooden penis to represent that friend and fucked himself over said man's grave. Is it weird? yes. is it even more weird that I thought of this after watching saltburn? yes. was it probabbly just a story that some christian made to make him look even more like a degenerate? yes. BUT it's about the yearning, right? about love that is hard to understand, about insanity and MAYBE """regret""" (and gratitude, and friendship, and loyalty.... that don't fit very well with this story) Thank you for reading my ramblings :)
@crt1848
@crt1848 2 ай бұрын
Wow that analogy about Dionysus is BRILLIANT & gives so much context to the movie, you're very insightful & this interpretation was a pleasure to read!
@moonbootz5499
@moonbootz5499 5 ай бұрын
this comment section is helping me to not feel so alone lol. for me, i left the theater pretty underwhelmed, and it was because they had oliver narrate his entire plan at the end. if i omit that scene from my memories, then the film is really perfect
@psyche5200
@psyche5200 4 ай бұрын
My interpretation of Oliver’s actions in the ending is the fact that he knew he wasn’t able to get Felix directly so he’ll settle for anything that just has his essence, what made Felix him: his wealth, his family, etc.
@ViciousPancakes
@ViciousPancakes 5 ай бұрын
One detail I noticed is that the hedge-sculpture in the maze where Felix is killed. It's a huge horned-figure. But before you fully see it, there's a shot of it's shadow looming over Felix's dead body, and it almost looks like the shadow has deer antlers like Oliver. Also potentially a reference to The Killing of a Sacred Deer, which Keoghan also stars in? He plays an absolute freak in that movie too, which is why this role being suggested to him doesn't seem too far off imo, lol.
@behindthemall8919
@behindthemall8919 5 ай бұрын
TRIN SALTBURN COMMENTARY RELOADED THE REUP!
@LovellTrin
@LovellTrin 5 ай бұрын
YOU GET ME
@attackfox
@attackfox 5 ай бұрын
I think those shocking scenes can be described as Oliver relishing in the most personal parts of the family. The bath scene he violates Felix's privacy, Venetia he crosses all of her boundaries and it's as if he's draining the life from her / the family. Farleigh he affronts his whole identity and resistance to his place being lost in the family. Yeah they are shocking, but it's like he's crawling underneath their skin to try and understand them fully, to study them. Kind of how Venetia calls him a moth, he makes his holes in them and fits in those holes however he can (ew). In those shots he seems to be basking in the glory of Felix I really think he's watching him in almost a comical way, laughing inwardly at how Felix has almost no care in the world, he just gets to sit there and look pretty. There's really nothing horribly special about Felix, but he's rich and somehow that elevates him to this godly level and Felix is studying the phenomenon.
@Marz3006
@Marz3006 5 ай бұрын
I loved that I went into this movie thinking it was a movie about romance but came out realising it was about the darkness of human desire - class, status, earthly possessions etc… obsession fueled by hate as opposed to the initial thought of it being fueled by a longing for love. The consumption hate had over Oliver, that manifested into physical consumption (all the bodily fluids). We never actually know who Oliver is bc he creates a version of himself to fit the needs of the person he wants to dominate next e.g Venetia with her low self esteem has someone accept her body and celebrate it. Felix wants to be a saviour and prove to the world that he has more substance (even though we get glimpses that he actually isn’t) so Oliver creates a narrative that he is fragile from a broken home that needs to be cared for. Idk tho that’s just what I interpreted it as
@frescaeli
@frescaeli 5 ай бұрын
for the party scene, felix had a lot of icarus imagery associated with him and his death, like the wings on his costume (which evoked sun imagery because of the golden color), the labyrinth that he died in, and the minotaur statue that stood over his body. i really loved this costume as part of the obsession plot, with the idea that someone flies so high and burns so bright that it destroys them (or leads someone to destroy them), but i'm not 100% sure how it fits into oliver coveting the estate itself. i read one analysis of oliver being theseus in the labyrinth and getting what he wants through the death of others or tossing them aside when they are no longer useful to him, which i can definitely see. i agree with trin that the obsession oliver had with felix was genuinely so gut-wrenching and visceral that it was beautiful; even the most infamous and disgusting scenes in the movie looked like worship
@cadr003
@cadr003 5 ай бұрын
I too think Barry just swinging around was integral to my viewing experience
@amandacraig4379
@amandacraig4379 5 ай бұрын
My interpretation of Felix’s angel costume was he likes to save people - Oliver chose his persona around Felix as someone to be saved-someone that needed help and Felix ate it up. As a rich person he wants to be good and the only way he knows how to do that without sacrificing his wealth is to “save” others and be an angel.
@elizabetha322
@elizabetha322 5 ай бұрын
i feel like not only is the angel costume for felix symbolism but it’s also foreshadowing him soon dying
@actual-poet9951
@actual-poet9951 4 ай бұрын
Also his costume could be interpreted as a Minotaur. There is one in the scene with them in the maze. And baby boy dies right next to it.
@julia-sz9xv
@julia-sz9xv 5 ай бұрын
all I know is that Jacob Elordi with angel wings did something to me
@jordancook2709
@jordancook2709 5 ай бұрын
The thing I noticed upon second watch is the waiter in the cafe at the end is wearing a facemask, and then Elsbeth dies while on ventilator. So it's being implied that she dies of Covid19. Idk why but I really like that - a realistic cultural moment in time. I felt similar to seeing them reading Harry Potter 7 if the school year started in 2006, the summer break would be July 2007, in which case everyone WAS reading that.
@BooksRebound
@BooksRebound 5 ай бұрын
This movie is giving Call Me By Your Gone Girl's Name. I started your video, got intrigued and then watched the movie and now I'm back. I absolutely loved it. I only wish it had been a little gayer with Ollie and Felix actually doing sooomething. I jokingly wait "imagine he just starts humping the grave" and then two minutes later what do ya know.... I cackled. I also LOVE Rosamund Pikes character. She's so wacky but iconic
@amityduke742
@amityduke742 5 ай бұрын
I totally get being grossed out by the “vampire scene”, but I think it does have just as much significance to the story as the bathtub scene. In the same scene where the mother explicitly tells Oliver that Venetia has an eating disorder, she also mentions that she was hyper sexual from an early age. I could see how Oliver could take that to mean that in order to make an impact on her he needs to do something dramatic to set him apart from her previous experiences, or to meet the expectations of her imagination. Venetia plays the role of a classic gothic heroine. She drapes herself around the house, walks around outside in night gowns to look at the moon, etc. It’s not crazy for Oliver to deduce that Venetia has a darker, unrealistic expectation for romance. She’s been waiting for her Byronic Hero; her Dracula. This movie hits so many classic tropes of a classic gothic, so to make Oliver a “vampire” is in line with the rest of the symbolism in the movie. He sucks the life out of the whole family one by one.
@amityduke742
@amityduke742 5 ай бұрын
In Oliver’s final moments with Felix (alive), he literally says that he was just giving Felix what he wanted. He was doing the same thing with Venetia: trying to give her a fantasy. I think he does the same sort of thing with Farleigh. We learn early on that Farleigh was kicked out of several schools for “sucking off” his professors. This tells Oliver two things: Farleigh has a thing for men in a position of dominance over him, and he is perhaps used to “giving” more than “receiving”. When the nice guy approach doesn’t work during the karaoke scene, it confirms what Oliver already knows about Farleigh, so he goes fully dominant by literally SAing him into “submission”.
@amityduke742
@amityduke742 5 ай бұрын
I also understand not liking the switch up from the theme of obsession to another “evil-mastermind-explains-his-evil-plan”, but I think this is a stylistic choice which is, again, in line with the gothic genre. There’s almost always a third-act reveal that brings the “romance” of the rest of the story into a much more sinister light. An example of this is the reveal of the “mad woman” in the attic in Jane Eyer. While these stories are heavy in romance, the romance is actually like a red-herring, roping the audience in and distracting them from the real plot that’s been happening right in front of them the whole time. We think Oliver is just obsessed with Felix in the beginning because that’s how the movie is framed: Oliver is watching him. But what is Oliver learning about Felix in those scenes? He’s rich as hell, and his family has an estate. Yes, he loved Felix, as he says in the beginning and the end, but the movie is called SALTBURN; that was his goal all along. That’s why he has to kill Felix as soon as he becomes a threat to his goal. Yes, he loves him, he mourns him in his own perverse way, but he’s just one step closer to his goal. And when Venetia exposes that she sees Oliver’s true nature? She becomes the next threat. When Oliver sees that he can no longer manipulate her sexually when he kisses her, she’s immediately the next target. Yes, the expository nature of the end lacks subtly, but a gothic story isn’t supposed to be subtle. It’s dramatic by nature. It’s red curtains and green rooms, symbolism and monologues, angels and devils, light and dark, ethereal and carnal, beautiful and disgusting
@jesse5249
@jesse5249 5 ай бұрын
It was so interesting watching these actions become increasingly concerning and “rationalizing” it as obsessive love and then finally getting to the grave scene and realizing it’s not so much love as it is power and control. R@pe typically comes down to a person wanting control, it’s not about the sex and I think that’s what they wanted to show. It was his chance to finally take physical control over Felix having never been able to do that except in Felix’s death.
@_thatonefangirl_7092
@_thatonefangirl_7092 5 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Barry keoghan actually improvised the grave scene. 👍 It was meant to originally mirror a scene in wuthering heights, but Barry decided to take it further as Oliver. So it’s not emerald fennel that owes you an apology lol 29:46
@rileydefeo532
@rileydefeo532 4 ай бұрын
i saw a comment on tiktok about how oliver was in love with saltburn and not felix, and I do feel like that explanation justifies the continuation of the story past felix's death. it ultimately shows that oliver's intentions were never to get felix, his end-goal was always saltburn
@user-vx3uq3mu4f
@user-vx3uq3mu4f 5 ай бұрын
I think Felix’s costume is Icarus and Oliver is the Minotaur. According to Greek mythology Icarus's father Daedalus, a very talented Athenian craftsman, built a labyrinth for King Minos of Crete to imprison the Minotaur, a half-man, half-bull monster born of his wife and the Cretan bull. Minos imprisoned Daedalus himself and his son in the labyrinth because he gave Minos's daughter, Ariadne, a clew (or ball of string) in order to help Theseus escape the labyrinth and defeat the Minotaur. Daedalus fashioned two pairs of wings for himself and his son, made of metal feather held to a leather frame by beeswax so they could escape. He warned his son not to follow his path of flight and not fly too close to the sun or too close to the sea, but, overcome by giddiness while flying, Icarus disobeyed his father and soared higher into the sky. The heat from the sun melted the beeswax, causing the wings to fall apart as he flew. Icarus ultimately fell into the sea and drowned. By Felix dying inside the labyrinth at Saltburn it becomes a parallel with the story of Icarus. (Also Felix’s father as a parallel of Daedalus). Felix went too close to the sun (the truth) so he would never come out alive from his attempt of leaving the labyrinth (or his twisted relationship with Oliver) just like Icarus did. Oliver, on the other hand, was the Minotaur. Forever locked in his scheme just like the Minotaur inside the labyrinth. Also there’s the fact that Oliver (the Minotaur) didn’t kill Felix with his very own hands, but let him die of poison in the champagne (liquid) by his own stupid decisions, just like Icarus fell and drowned at sea due to his own stupid decisions. This was Oliver’s plan/known territory just as it was the Minotaur’s in the labyrinth. He literally became the “beast” in and of the labyrinth.
@nailinthefashion
@nailinthefashion 5 ай бұрын
It's funny cuz watching Percy Jackson a few days ago before seeing this one, so I was freshly thinking about this parallel too. I wish they went with a different style horn instead of trying to make him seem more innocent. Give him that full Satanic goat lewk since he's a sadistic lil imp
@yoongles519
@yoongles519 4 ай бұрын
This has to be the funniest movie review yet, I'm sitting here dying of laughter 😭😭
@nomore4792
@nomore4792 5 ай бұрын
hot take? this movie was so phenomonal in it's scenes. even the most disturbing and disgusting scenes are just perfection.
@leah_lia30
@leah_lia30 3 ай бұрын
babe the song farleigh chose is like really not random. it’s the reason it’s embarrassing and the different ways oliver and farleigh sing the song show how differently they see and react to being in that dynamic with the family
@KB_321
@KB_321 4 ай бұрын
I think the scene with Oliver and Felix at the birthday party is a weird alternate nod to Romeo and Juliet. Romeo being Oliver and Felix being Juliet, the wings as a nod to the film version. Oliver poisons the alcohol bottle he has in his hand and drinks from it passing it over to Felix in order for him to drink it, but Oliver vomits it out knowing it could kill him. Juliet pretends to be dead but awakens to find Romeo dead but in saltburns version Romeo knowingly gives the poison to Juliet but she dies and Romeo awakens alive and unscathed.
@jorjaconnolly419
@jorjaconnolly419 5 ай бұрын
The deer costume perhaps calls back to Barry Keoghan's role in The Kiling of A sacred Deer, where he plays a boy seemingly obsessed with a wealthy family as well (although for very different reasons)
@sashakentida
@sashakentida 5 ай бұрын
For the deer antlers, i think it was supposed to resemble a minotaur. the minotaur ate people to survive, while oliver ate the rich. eating the rich stemming from “When the people shall have nothing more to eat, they will eat the rich.”
@lindsaythemorallygay4586
@lindsaythemorallygay4586 5 ай бұрын
I was eating when the bathtub drain thing happened and I almost lost my food 💀 I understand the feeling of wanting to do something like that but I probably wouldn’t have rimmed the drain like that…or do it at all. The drain part is when I gagged though
@Ahoialasi
@Ahoialasi 5 ай бұрын
The only thing I didn't like about the ending was the whole bond villain monologue which really cheapened the whole experience. The way it was directed made me feel like I was watching a totally different movie. If they cut the reveal scene and left it as it was, leaving it to our interpretation whether he really killed everyone etc, it would have been a perfect ending.
@ARandomWorld
@ARandomWorld 4 ай бұрын
You’re description of the grave scene is truly the best performance of the year
@SabrinaHBah
@SabrinaHBah 5 ай бұрын
The ending was predictable but I enjoyed watching this and it honestly wasn’t as weird as I had heard (maybe I am lol). There weren’t any moments where I was bored or uninterested. Fun watch, great actors, fantastic cinematography. Rosamund Pike killed it as always
@nicolen2458
@nicolen2458 5 ай бұрын
I felt the same! I wonder if my smut fanfics as a teenager desensitized me 😂
@Slimerree-
@Slimerree- 5 ай бұрын
Trin has had some amazing comedic moments but 14:27-14:33 non context might be a golden globe award 😭😭😭”and who the hell are you……WHAT THE FUCK?!?”
@nate3556
@nate3556 5 ай бұрын
I went into this movie thinking it was a sweet love story… I DID NOT EXPECT THIS
@thethrowawaythatstayed7055
@thethrowawaythatstayed7055 5 ай бұрын
“What if there was a clot” I woke up my house laughing
@jbone877
@jbone877 5 ай бұрын
I think the grave fucking scene provides insight into the nature of personal obsession. It might be perceived as being about the object of obsession, but it's only ever about personal gratification for the obsessed, which helps to better understand the character, and provides some motivational foreshadowing to his later-revealed actions
@maiajane9993
@maiajane9993 5 ай бұрын
I love how Saltburn not only tricks Felix into seeing Oliver as what he wants him to be. Saltburn also tricks the viewers into seeing Oliver as who we wanted him to be. Instead of who he really is.
@robyncaslin75
@robyncaslin75 5 ай бұрын
I have not been able to get this movie out my head.
@neidinkelly2153
@neidinkelly2153 5 ай бұрын
I feel like felix wearing an angel costume foreshadows his death in the movie bc angels are usually associated with death and the afterlife etc and the deer antlers that Oliver wears kind of try and make us perceive him as an innocent, weak and more harmless person than he actually is, maybe to try and redeem himself to felix after he found out about his lies and stuff ( but idk ) that's just how I perceived it when i watched it.
@Cybo-18
@Cybo-18 5 ай бұрын
I was not expecting to hear half of what was said and almost threw up. 10/10 experience lol
@thecavalieryouth
@thecavalieryouth 5 ай бұрын
I still don't get how people keep calling that ending a plot twist. It was plot reinforcement, if anything - the movie felt the need to explain in very simple language what we just watched, when there was never a need. As soon as Oliver planted that seed in Elspeth's head about Pamela's stories possibly being fake, I thought, "Aha! The movie is now very explicitly telling me that Pamela isn't the one with the self-pity and emotional blackmail, 'tis you Oliver Quick!" Everything that follows made sense and it eas unsurprising that he'd planned everything out as he did. His trysts with Farleigh and Venetia in particular were just part of his machinations to consume Felix wnd everything he stands for, to Oliver. He needed Farleigh out of the way, he needed to ingratiate himself to Elspeth, he had to maintain the image of a boy who's had a tough life that the rich people will pat themselves on the back for for extending their hospitality. Learning that Oliver is actually (at the very least) from a upper middle class family, was a little surprising only because his compulsion to consume Felix & all things Saltburn made a little more sense if he was truly impoverished/working class; he coveted all these things he'd never experienced before and saw himself as more worthy/fitting of them. I thought he was a poor guy who just *weaponised* his poverty and difficult circumstances, not someone who lied about them. (Also, is it just me who thought that Ollie killed Venetia and made it look like a suicide? I really thought he'd killed both the Saltburn kids.)
@kiroskie
@kiroskie 5 ай бұрын
I thought about Oliver's costume as related to Theseus in a midsummer nights dream. He is the lover of Hippolyta (who Elspeth is costumed as) and compares his upcoming marriage to her as a long-awaited inheritance. This harkens to the relationship he will grow to have with Elspeth at the end of the movie which is also alluded to at his arrival of Saltburn when he pays Elspeth a compliment about her looks. In Greek mythology, Theseus' story portrays him slaying a minotaur (a horned creature that is half bull, half man). This really seals the deal for me when considering Oliver's costume and his real duality in the movie. His lightness and darkness is shown both in the actual lighting of the scenes as well as his actions and his love/hate for the family. Also, circling back to Theseus in the play, the complicated relationship between love and lust for value is also a theme in Oliver's character.
@haleychurch342
@haleychurch342 4 ай бұрын
At 29:00, it’s such a compliment as an actor when people read a horribly disturbing and complex character and immediately think of you to fill the role 😂
@lilyr875
@lilyr875 4 ай бұрын
this is the BEST Saltburn commentary idc! you thrive in this format, that you've lowkey pioneered 👀, your pov is always so entertaining and educational bc you go into filmmaking details & the writing, acting etc ❤
@lamar3866
@lamar3866 5 ай бұрын
I agree that the vampire scene was put as more or less shock value. But I think the grave scene is in line with the bathtub scene. I think it shows just how much Oliver wanted to be with Felix. Not even in a sexual way, though the scene itself was, but how you mentioned he never touched Felix in more than a friendly way; he never got to have his obsession. So to me, the grave scene feels like a last resort. The one and only time he'll get to really be close to Felix
@namjoonswife7
@namjoonswife7 5 ай бұрын
Did anyone notice that the very last shot of the movie shows Oliver playing with the puppets and behind him you can see he kept an item of each person who died at Saltburn like a serial killer with his tropheys? He's got Elspeth dress, Sir James armour, I think Felix wings and I dont remember what from Venetia. It kinda mirrores Venetia's statement that he is "attracted to shiny things" and "made his holes everywhere"
@imdoneplus
@imdoneplus 4 ай бұрын
Barry Kehogan is the one who chose to ask for a closed set to “see what Oliver did.” An actor like Barry isn’t method, but in that moment when the scene is going, he is that person.
@ULoveMikeHawk4
@ULoveMikeHawk4 5 ай бұрын
I screamed when she said and what if there’s a clot 😂😂😂😂
@isabelmurphy9516
@isabelmurphy9516 5 ай бұрын
This movie reminded me of the movie “The talented mister Ripley” where the main character was in love with the upper echelon character Dickey to the point where he wanted to control him ended up killing him and then taking his identity.
@carbee123
@carbee123 5 ай бұрын
On the edge of my seat… for this video!! Love you Trin 🤍
@RammerHammer
@RammerHammer 4 ай бұрын
I agree with you that the ending of the movie was weird for abandoning the obsession with Felix so fast. I do however think there is another context to the final moments of the movie and that's Oliver's obsession with status. Oliver purposely lies to Felix about his family both to gain favour with Felix but also to put a magnifying glass to the social status that Felix has. I think if you view Oliver's obsession with Felix through the lens of him admiring the standing in society and the money and influence he and his family has, it would make sense that in the end his ultimate goal would be to strip all that away and take it for himself. I also love a good mastermind manipulator.
@felixhenson9926
@felixhenson9926 4 ай бұрын
Another thing about the angel wings is he died shortly after. The deer thing also has 'deer in the headlights', he was caught in his lie and now Felix is mad at him, deer are definitely seen as very innocent and fragile and harmless, but if you hit one with your car you're still coming out pretty worse for wear and those horns can still do major damage.
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