Sam Harris on Poonjaji (Papaji)

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@atulkanagat4034 7 ай бұрын

There are a number of such charismatic teachers. I had heard great things about Neem Karoli Baba.

@RyanStronach 8 ай бұрын

I think that Sam's experience with Papaji was so transformational because Papaji's teaching is so divorced from some kind of intellectual understanding of awakening, and it is the simplest of teachings to keep quiet and to follow the stream of consciousness guidance of someone who is so amazingly blissful and alive.

@an1rb 7 ай бұрын

Exactly. Real learning and perceiving are not intellectual exercises.

@methei 6 ай бұрын

@@an1rb But there is definitely an interplay there. I find it helps to get wrong or misleading thoughts out of the way.

@thedolphin5428 5 ай бұрын

True, but he never settled in. Just ran back to his intellect-ego zone.

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

It's not the teaching in that moment. It is the transmission, which validates the teaching.

@ussspirit4812 28 күн бұрын

Satsang. The company of Reality is everything.

@prajnachan333 5 ай бұрын

A self realized master is someone who has gone beyond the mind. Pure awareness and consciousness is the only and greatest true charisma there is. Papaji's eyes are that pure awareness. He is empty of the ego idea, and thats all the ego is. I sat with Papaji and I can tell you that he was an incredible human being. The peace and silence he spoke of were in full display. ✨️ Remarkable and beautiful being beyond measure. 🕉 Thats all that matters to me, all else is speculation by the mind. Which is the very thing that needs to be dropped. Then you can see clearly what is. Papaji or anything else.

@Zeeshan-bv7mo 9 ай бұрын

Brilliant...

@divyanshsh 7 ай бұрын

sweet, thanks for sharing

@DurgaDas96 8 ай бұрын

I was in the presence of Papaji. I just saw an old man surrounded by fanatic believers, touching his feet, and so on. After “Satsang” there was a marketplace bazaar of devotees selling everything from cool yogi clothes, to massage “therapy”. The marketplace seemed to be made up of new age cool people who were hustling spiritual tourists, like me, selling everything at US dollar prices (in Lucknow, India), so they could live the New Age dream at the feet of their Guru. Maybe I’m just jealous.

@hatebreeder999 7 ай бұрын

What you saw was ultimate truth. Just mumbojumbo being sold for money

@lucyhartman1501 6 ай бұрын

Yes, it seemed like just a bunch of fanatic people longing for instant enlgihtenment (and a Daddy figure). Did you happen to feel any "energy" around Papaji?

@lucyhartman1501 6 ай бұрын

@@hatebreeder999 There was no "ultimate truth" involved with Poonja.

@angelandany2202 6 ай бұрын

the king is naked blessed are those who see it!@@lucyhartman1501

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

Ram Dass pointed out that the Guru is neutral (no one is home) and is a nexus point for whatever one is bringing and open to in that moment. So with his Guru it was the same. One would see-feel light love as great as the sun, radiant. Another would see just an old man on a blanket. Some see the latter but get opened up through being there over some time. I had that experience in India. I needed to be "broken open" but when it happened I was enveloped and immersed in light and love for half an hour and could not move. that one experience made the entire trip worthwhile. Both Ammas (there is another) and Shivabalayogi, nor my Guru nor Neem Karoli Baba (Ram Dass' Guru) did not charge for darshans. Did Papaji charge you? It clearly was not your moment, your karma, (causes and conditions) would not allow it, There is no right or wrong, better than or worse in this. It was not meant to happen for you there.

@pittounikos 3 ай бұрын

This comment may come across as a geek comment, like i'm obsessive about Harris, but this observation is from a huge fan of his podcast and his Waking Up book, and i also like Papaji, and, therefore, a noticed this humurous bit of trivia i will like to share before it is eventually confined to oblivion! Years ago Sam posted a clip of what he said about Osho's relentlss eye contact when speaking to you, and how a conmen can look at you and make you think there is a deep wisdom there. In other words, Sam was saying there is nothing to eye staring. In other words, gurus are merely using pary tricks to feed the gullable. But after Sam started talking about Papaji's amazing eyes (in the Derren Brown interview) and subsequent mentionings of the guy like in this video, Sam took down the clip about Osho's eyes. This is fairly nobel and honest of Sam Harris. To go from one of the New Athiests so admitting he was a devotee of a guru is very impressive.

@BobbyFriston 4 ай бұрын

Ganga Mira - who was Papaji's wife - is a great teacher to this day in her own right.

@Frank-rx9gq Ай бұрын

She's a crazy lady. It's quite obvious now.

@daodejing81 7 ай бұрын

These guys are are depending upon the outward for an inward transformation. It will never happen. I don't care what kind of a presence someone has, or how intelligent they seem or are. You must look within yourself to become wise and ultimately one with all.

@QED_ 5 ай бұрын

I thought for a minute . . . about posting a comment that just said: "You're being an a*hole". The idea was that if you came back annoyed by it, I'd say "So I've just demonstrated that a personal interaction can transform you _negatively._ Why can't a personal interaction transform you _positively_ (?)"

@daodejing81 5 ай бұрын

@@QED_ The interactions we experience are the result of the dualities of this material realm. Every interaction is designed to cause you to evolve spiritually. Why? Because they cause you to introspect, meditate, reflect, look within.

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

That's a judgment, Often this is a necessary step. The true Guru is God within and will break any attachment when the person is ready.

@daodejing81 2 ай бұрын

@kenkaplan3654 That's not a judgement, it's simply the truth.

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

@@daodejing81 Either the Cosmos is a precise place or it isn't. Either karma and reincarnation are exact or they aren't. "No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place". If there were no use for teachers like this, they would not appear in the dream. What you say is true but my experience is most people realize it in stages. In 1971 when the Universe through my Guru literally dragged me to him, what you talk about was so far beyond the capacity of nearly everyone. Now that the grid has been laid and anchored by decades of deep work, it is much easier to claim "it is all within, we don't need these people" after an ocean of grace has ben given. It is immensely ungrateful to the teachers that pioneered this all in the west. There are stages and a place for everything. Years ago, and still today, if you or anyone else was not mentored in some way, by teachers, teachings, books, workshops you name it, the admonition "it's all within" would not amount to jack squat. Most people in the beginning could not find their own anus in terms of deeply, consistently, and authentically accessing what is "within", or even what "it" is or was.

@MuhammadKhan-vm5ow Жыл бұрын

I think maybe mirroring neurones. people mirror each other, when youre around someone who is peaceful you feel it.

@phillipanthony2402 2 жыл бұрын

great video thanks- what interview is the second clip from? thanks!

@darkmana1000 2 жыл бұрын

From an interview with Andrew Cohen in Sam's "Waking Up" meditation app.

@pn2543 10 ай бұрын

answer: yes. aka Shaktipat

@barbara5051 Жыл бұрын

U will ever be enlightened sam

@DurgaDas96 8 ай бұрын

Basic Premise: Presence is your natural state. Pointing out may be helpful, but the pointer isn’t someone to be worshipped. Someday, ordinary teachers will be pointing out presence to ordinary elementary school students. But for some reason we make religions and cults around it, and bow down in worship to it ( presence) and worship those who point it out. People like Papaji know this, the simple ordinariness and utter simplicity of Presence, and yet encourage devotees to worship him. His Graduate followers too, who have become famous teachers, like Mooja “Ji”, are raking in the money and prestige in propagating this lie: that they are special and you need the greatness of their teaching.

@angelandany2202 6 ай бұрын

wise words. clearly mr. Harris is not able to see it. perhaps does not choose to, bad for business

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

Ordinary (well not so ordinary) people are doing this all the time now because the ability is innate with everyone. I have watched many blossom with this in the last 20 years. The time is now.

@barbara5051 7 ай бұрын

Papaji was enlightened..it is just the ego that denies it

@lucyhartman1501 6 ай бұрын

Who said he was "enlightened"? (certainly not Ramana)

@dheer33 2 жыл бұрын

The pappaji's energy is the result of sheer practice of Bramhacharya, Meditation and religiousity.

@clearseeing5755 Жыл бұрын

There was no Bramhacharya with him. He had sex with a young female disciple, and got her pregnant (while he was still married)

@thetellerofstories Жыл бұрын

wasn't poonjaji married?

@klaus3579 Жыл бұрын

@@thetellerofstories Twice?

@thetellerofstories Жыл бұрын

@@klaus3579 hahah… then where does bramhacharya come from 😂

@MassMultiplayer 10 ай бұрын

good drop on the bramha

@Madoc_EU 2 жыл бұрын

Strangely, nothing of this charisma comes through to me when viewing any of the Papaji videos. Am I the only one?

@m0cker184 2 жыл бұрын

For me I can see his charisma but I am not blown over by his presence. Maybe is something that can only be experienced in person, like the difference between watching a video of a concert and being in the concert.

@Madoc_EU 2 жыл бұрын

@@m0cker184 Yes, possibly. Thanks for your response!

@hakel4372 2 жыл бұрын

For me its not about carisma. But i prefer mooji teachings because they are clearer and simpler because mooji is i think better at English

@dianne7250 2 жыл бұрын

same.and i get repulsion too.

@joeybtheman1906 Жыл бұрын

u have to have been in his presence

@radhikaschwartz3499 7 ай бұрын

If you want to feel charisma, shakti and cosmic love meet Mata Amritananda Mayi. Aka Amma the hugging saint

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

I mentioned her in my comment. I saw her. I have seen Karunamayi over a dozen times.

@pittounikos Жыл бұрын

Sam's interview with Derren Brown on his app also speaks about Papaji. Young Sam Harris is very lucky to have met a guy like that. Today all we have is podcasts and screen gazing rather than being in the same room as an awakened guy

@lucyhartman1501 6 ай бұрын

Papaji wasn't "an awakened guy" though.

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

Female Gurus have been traveling America for two decades. The pandemic shut their touring down. Plus many "ordinary" people can now do it. I am in a non denominational spiritual community in which many have the gift. Many can digitally encode the energy. It is not the form that activates but what is behind the form.

@Exczistance 4 ай бұрын

Sam, was he really that great in person..? We can’t feel it by watching his videos

@m0cker184 2 жыл бұрын

Where does the first clip come from?

@darkmana1000 2 жыл бұрын

It's an hour long subscriber extra on his website - www.samharris.org/podcasts/subscriber-extras/waking-up-video

@m0cker184 2 жыл бұрын

@@darkmana1000 Thank you.

@phillipanthony2402 2 жыл бұрын

@@darkmana1000 and the second part?

@prajnachan333 5 ай бұрын

Watch a video of Osho or Papaji and just be silent for a moment and the transmission is possible with a video also. It depends on you. Like is said in Zen, listen and see with your entire body not just the ears or eyes. Then tell me what you see. Emptiness will see Emptiness. Awareness will see Awareness. At the very least- have a good laugh! 🎉 That is truth, godliness and beauty. Satyam Shivam Sundram 🕉

@sibanought 4 ай бұрын

Osho was a psychopathic conman of the worst possible kind, responsible for numerous suicides and causing unestimable harm to countless thousands of people. Many years ago (before his death) I knew and met many of his followers, and every single one of them was deeply psychologically damaged. People who had come from extremely abused backgrounds, to the extent that they had learnt to seek love from an abusive parental figure. This dynamic of a manipulative sociopathic person exploiting damaged people's vulnerability is common, but he really took it to a level few other sociopaths acheive. It would be interesting to know the truth about his early life; whether he became a sociopath as a result of having been abused himself. But I very much suspect that he was in fact born as a full-blown psychopath. Either way, he was definitely 44/44 on the Hare Psychopathy scale.

@rogeredwards4871 Жыл бұрын

Love to have been able to see this guy debate U.G... not a chance

@MassMultiplayer 10 ай бұрын

ohhhh you drop the Ma picture !

@krisbaker4806 7 ай бұрын

UG Krishnamurthi????

@piyushadhikari101 7 ай бұрын

Haha i was thinking about ug saying these westerner thinks some dude on Himalayan have the answer

@michaeldillon3113 Жыл бұрын

If you watch documentaries about people who met Adolf Hitler it is common to hear that they were bowled over by his charisma . In ordinary life so many manipulative/ coercive controlling personalities have charisma . Papaji had a child with a young devotee when he was well into his 60's - now that takes charisma 🌝.

@121withtom3 8 ай бұрын

Well that's how the world goes round 🎉 you wouldn't be here without an orgasim

@adarshraghuram7728 6 ай бұрын

People can say the same about Jesus. Just an eccentric cultist pedo perhaps?

@together1882 2 жыл бұрын

The one that is searching itself is an illusion. No matter how hard he tries, no matter how many years he meditates it is the illusion which is trying. Hence impossible. That which is broken out of this cycle can point this out in ease

@simonbeing6496 7 ай бұрын

Truth.

@emendatus1 6 ай бұрын

He is not self realized. İt is 100%. Because İ see this as clearly as any material object. So, one blind cannot lead other blinds.

@khidirney 6 ай бұрын

To whom are you referring to ?

@emendatus1 6 ай бұрын

@@khidirney Sam Harris of course!

@khidirney 6 ай бұрын

@barbara5051 Жыл бұрын

I have problems with sam when he says project

@markreadin7124 2 жыл бұрын

Sam is brilliant

@VedantaKesari Жыл бұрын

No he is not. He was given a great prize but was too dense to hold on to it.

@markreadin7124 Жыл бұрын

@@VedantaKesari What prize is that?

@VedantaKesari Жыл бұрын

@@markreadin7124 God.

@createspaceone 8 ай бұрын

@@VedantaKesari his silly arrogant mind is in the way;)

@HarishKumar-sv7bu 2 ай бұрын

Westerns don’t know about Thiruvanmallai temple …..Spiritual center of milkyway galaxy ….Total philosophy and spirituality of whole earth = 1stone of Thiruvannamalai….Everything about consciousness is started from thiruunnamalai

@sibanought 4 ай бұрын

This is a test; if I write another comment stating the obvious fact Osho was a pure psychopath, will youtube delete this one as well? Edit: all good so far. What if I include this; Osho was unquestionably 44/44 on the Robert Hare Psychopathy scale.

@ellisgarvin 7 ай бұрын

When Indian guru, Muktananda, came to the west in the 70's people were having crazy experiences in his presence. Ram Dass was there (at the time a Harvard professor) and said that you had people from all walks of life showing up to hear Muktananda speak, and people were laughing, crying, lawyers in business suits were doing spontaneous yoga postures and mudras that they'd never learned how to do. The energy was off the charts. What was going on there? Muktananda always said it wasn't him, it was his own guru, his lineage, working through him. I believe this to be the case and probably true of Papaji as well.

@lucyhartman1501 6 ай бұрын

Ramana had no lineage though. Muktananda was found to have had sex with underage girls. You don't have to be Self realized to give shaktipat.

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

Only God is the true Guru. These forms are conduits.

@ellisgarvin 2 ай бұрын

@@kenkaplan3654 I agree. God is within all things, and appears as all things, in my view. When a human is knowingly God, we call them "guru." When a human is unknowingly God, we call them "person." I do believe in lineages and the transmission of spiritual power through them, but ultimately it is all God.

@kenkaplan3654 2 ай бұрын

@@ellisgarvin I agree. As many have said, the Guru's intention is to lead one to their own awakening. One distinction. Guru carries a teaching or guiding function. One may be realized, such as someone meditating in the mountains who never interacts with anyone. Theni it might be hard to say they are Guru. Guru literally means "one who with the ointment of knowledge, dispels one's darkness or ignorance"

@jpandyaraja Ай бұрын

i had no time for this Papaji when I found out he has screwed " a devotee" and had a child with her...At this point you know. The second point was watching him and his devotees....this was so cult like...they way they looked up at him in a Woodstock way...slavish and tears in their eyes..this was an emotional overload with no substance

@joeybtheman1906 Жыл бұрын

being in the presence of an enlighten being is fucking kray. ur a lucky person if u able to find such a person

@pittounikos Жыл бұрын

So instead of listening to Sam's podcast, and putting in the hours and weeks, we can find an enlightened man like Papaji. This feels a bit ironic.

@lucyhartman1501 Жыл бұрын

Papaji wasn't enlightened

@pittounikos Жыл бұрын

@@lucyhartman1501 well what I meant was that the power Sam Harris argued Paps had we can benefit from instead of spending weeks meditating

@bernhard1071 Жыл бұрын

@@pittounikos Poonja had no powers, who is the one who has powers? Only immature people are attracted to people like Poonja and "powers". Harris obviously belongs to the "immature" category 🙂. His musings sound intelligent but lack true depth.

@kamalvipul9213 Жыл бұрын

I’d go with the teaching of Papaji’s master/guru; Ramana Maharshi, check the books with translation by Sadhu Om.

@lucyhartman1501 Жыл бұрын

@@kamalvipul9213 Yes! Ramana is the one to study. Sadhu Om was a real disciple, and did excellent translations. Clearly Papaji changed Ramana's teachings.

@davetide2511 Жыл бұрын

Sam is in complete denial or another way to say it is that his mind heavily veils the stillness of consciousness. But you can see from his latest podcast with Lex Friedman, he's thoroughly confused about the nature of consciousness and "The Now", but at least he acknowledges that. To all the atheists, who no doubt are still searching for truth, please don't quote him, you'd be making a fool of yourselves. He doesn't even believe what you ascribe to him anymore, but hasn't found a way to come clean to everyone. Because it would be the death of 99% of his work (not even exaggerating).

@AProperPaddyORourke Жыл бұрын

Spot on.I'm very grateful to Sam for his 'Waking up' book.First book I read on the topic.But he has resistance to the truth.Thats ok,hopefully one day he can break through that.

@philkeh 8 ай бұрын

He is simply a researcher that tries to grasp reality and truth with the mind. That is cool, but has no use for people who seek truth themselves. So I wouldnt bother with what he says about anything too much.

@QED_ 5 ай бұрын

He can't do otherwise. He''s made the terrible mistake of linking the material welfare of his family to his being the certain "Sam Harris" that he's famous for. Now he's stuck with _being_ that "Sam Harris" . . .

@thedolphin5428 7 ай бұрын

Jeezuz Harris hedges his words ... stuttering, skilfully denying the whole reality of devotion and tantric transmission. And yet, even afterwards, he did not/does not choose to investigate/validate ... as a scientist ... THE EXPERIENCES he had had. Harris really holds on to his rational mind. No surrender at all. Too much ego. Also, he never had THE GUTS to sink into a lineage. He thus remains a spiritual dilettante.

@QED_ 5 ай бұрын

@thedolphin5428 5 ай бұрын

@@QED_ Yep! Most pleb people do this every day, but once you go famous and on-line, any hope of humility is OVER. Lol at Harris.

@QED_ 5 ай бұрын

@@thedolphin5428 Right. It's always been an issue, but (as you say) on-line dynamics magnify it drastically . . .

@QED_ 5 ай бұрын

Sheeesh. There is so much wrong with this. I really just can't . . .

@matcollins6503 5 ай бұрын

Not theaching not charisma, just result

@gfaber99 2 жыл бұрын

In sitting with Papaji you simply wake up. Whether you ground that awakening and embody pure consciousness is your choice.

@clearseeing5755 Жыл бұрын

No. He said “I can give people temporary experiences, but I can’t make it stick” Nobody “awakened” with Papaji.

@JuhoTunkelo Жыл бұрын

@@clearseeing5755 Didn't he just say exactly that :) a temporary awakening is still that.

@lucyhartman1501 Жыл бұрын

Nobody "woke up" with Papaji. He said "I only gave lolipops to the leeches, so they'd get off my back". He was a fraud guru

@julierainbowwingz2094 Жыл бұрын

@@lucyhartman1501 thats fascinating, he actually said that?

@lucyhartman1501 Жыл бұрын

@@julierainbowwingz2094 Yes, it turns out that he outright lied to hundreds of people, telling them they were "enlightened" and that "their work was done", (after they had temporary experiences) when at the time he knew full well that he had NOT "enlightened" anybody at all. Here's a transcript: David Godman : "You used to give experiences to a lot of people. Why did you do it if you knew that the effect would not be permanent?" Papaji: "I did it to get rid of the leeches who were sticking to me, never allowing me to rest or be by myself. It was a very good way of getting rid of all these leeches in a polite way." Nothing Ever Happened Vol. 3. by David Godman, p. 362. To me, lying to people by telling them they were enlightened AND also sending dozens of these "enlightened" disciples out as teachers, is cruel, and irresponsible. Not to mention, what kind of "enlightened guru" would call their disciples "leeches"!

@leslieread556 2 жыл бұрын

A wise teacher will never use siddhas

@vish2553 2 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily.

@leslieread556 2 жыл бұрын

@@vish2553 …certainly not to control others.

@absharma947 2 жыл бұрын

It's siddhi not siddha .siddha is who possesses siddhi

@leslieread556 2 жыл бұрын

@@absharma947 Thank you! I’ve been corrected on the use of those terms before 🤦‍♀️…yet my comment remains true! ☺️🙏🌷

@austin426512 2 жыл бұрын

As a follower of Advaitha of Ramana Maharshi, I agree totally. Siddhis are deviations from reality that is Brahman and many advanced souls have deviated from the Truth because of this pitfall.