"I'm okay with society being trampled and abused by multi-national corporations as long as it's not the government." - libertarians

I'll believe corporations are people when I see a corporation that is sitting in a prison cell.

I'm pretty sure Somalia has a pretty low tax rate if you don't count warlords sticking guns in your face and taking everything they want, but they aren't representatives of the government, they are entrepreneurs, so Somalia is the libertarian paradise.

A libertarian caller! ::grabs my popcorn::

Does anyone else notice that there's always anti-progressive ads on the most progressive channels?

I have watched a number of these phone ins from Libertarians and my understanding of them is that they want to reap the benefits of being in a society, while at the same time contributing nothing to it.

"Could you spare a moment for our Lord and saviour, Alex Jones?"

I love these conversations with Libertarians. Quality humor. I especially like how the caller insists on setting up a society wherein contracts are enforced by the dictates of an individual's own moral code. I am sure there won't be a consistency or implementation problem with that in a country with over 300 million people, each with his or her own unique vision of morality and moral codes!

Sam craves these callers every day after he crawls out of bed.

Taxation is not theft. It is payment for services rendered. When you choose to live in America and reap the benefits of being an American citizen, you are consenting to American rule of law, which says that you must pay taxes. If you don't like it, go Galt already.

What makes me sick is that it's always relatively healthy middle class dudes who believe this crap. They haven't had a day's sickness in their lives and probably are fretting about inheritence tax on the middle class pile daddy is gonna leave them. Social security coverage is not there for the likes of you. The working class have given up many rights in order to have this kind of help. Middle class people pay taxes because otherwise the working class would rise up and take it all: let's get real here !!

It's hilarious that every Libertarian that calls in prefaces their call with "the previous Libertarian that called in doesn't represent us properly" lol

Libertarians have fantasy ideas that come down to letting corporations be the winners and regular people are the losers. Libertarians have morphed into greedy fucks who want to pay no taxes to help people in need of help.They ignore the 50 years of success for the middle class that came from the NEW DEAL and GREAT SOCIETY programs.

It’s so cute that someone would freely confess to being an Alex Jones fan and then still think they should be taken seriously.

Fact is: most Americans favor universal/public health care. That's what most Americans want. I mean, that's a moral decision that most Americans have made. What stops it? A libertarian/corporate mindset. By which only the rich count. We live in a society that says: why should I care if that old woman down the street starves. Who cares. It ain't none of my business. I mean, should we have that uncaring mindset to soldiers? Should we care about soldiers? Well, libertarianism says no. It says we should not care about soldiers. That, to me, is immoral.

Ill believe a corporation is a person when I see one go to jail for breaking the law!!!

Caller: "can I just point out one more thing though?" Sam: "Sure" Micheal: "No" Caller: "one more underlying assumption about the minimum wage" Micheal: "Oh my god" 😂 RIP Micheal

man sam just shreds these people it is crazy, glad i found this channel

Sam is too smart for these guys, Sam makes too much sense and these Libertarians dont even have a come back. This is not a debate, Sam is educating these people.

"I'm not that kind of libertarian" . Imagine if we had no roads, electrical grid, sewer, 911, police, fire, ambulance, parks, treaties to stop messing up the environment etc etc, it would be like somalia.

The best part of any libertarian call is in this video When Sam says "I don't care about abiding by some broad guiding principles. I care about results. I don't care if a policy is libertarian or liberal or conservative or whatever. I care about results! Good positive results for society."

'Where we're going, we don't need roads' back to the future and libertarians

I laughed at the "chik a fil" lmao...

Participation in economic dominance hierarchies are "freedom" and you can't argue with that, says the collective hive-mind of right-wing libertarianism/theology.

Sam's arguments are the exact reason I left libertarianism.

Ayn Rand ended up accepting social security. How's that for a huge 'Fuck my wasted life"

I'd say you need to get smarter callers.. But this is par for the libertarian course.

Wow, I have listened to so many of these libertarian callers and they all sound selfish and callous. Really horrible morals!

If you look at 0:10, you can see Sam's eyes light up like a shark that just spotted a kill.

That guy was pretty calm and collected for one of those guys

every libertarian gives of this aura of entitlement that screams "but my daddy got rich emulating slavery why Cant I?!"

Why can I always tell that a libertarian is a libertarian by their tone of voice

"Chick-a-fill" LOL

“Socialism never actually worked” “Bro… most of Europe? What examples of libertarianism worked??” “No, that’s just logical, dont worry about it…”

its funny how logic totally flies out the window for libertarians

Alex Jones has fans? I mean fans who don't think he's a comedian?

Society its like an orchestra, you just can't be a solo violin playing a whole symphony. So, you can't get 90% of the credit and say that the other guys just deserve 10%.

This caller was surprisingly calm and rational for an Alex Jones fan. I was expecting more drama.

This caller became Marxist-Leninist by the way.

Sam, you're doing a fine job of mopping the floor with this guy, but you don't need to make it that hard on yourself. Rather than arguing over letting your neighbor die in the street (which, if they're the Libertarians, they don't care)... how about privatizing: 1) The Police, so you pay for murder investigations yourself 2) The sidewalks, so you pay a toll every time you take a walk 3) All the airports 4) Every street, road and highway 5) All the public schools.. if you can't afford private school, your kid cant read & write 6) Export every single job to India and China except burger flipping jobs (Oh wait, they're already doing that) "Libertarianism" is a totally dopey ideology. In practice it means "Privatize anything that benefits you, socialize whatever benefits me"

$15/hr is barely enough to sustain 1 person in a 1 bedroom apartment.

We need a Seder University youtube channel.

This caller had not an original argument or thought to put forward which is why Sam lost his patience and cut him off a little too much. I think Sam is getting bored of skewering these Libertarians, but it's my favorite type of video.

So he wants to live in a society without police, fire service, public schools etc. What a prat

"So, we're going by your morals?" Pause. "Well, yes..." Beautiful job, Sam!

As he starts talking about the use of force I was imagining a little bug walking into Sams web.

When Sam mentioned that under anarcho-capitalism someone could sell themselves into slavery, the caller changed the topic instead of disputing it.

I'm perfectly fine paying my taxes to benefit my state and federal government. (When we can actually fight to get to where taxes don't just go to war) I'm not a petulant child like Libertarians are.

I think the major issue in their argument is that taxes are "taking someone's stuff", but it's not wholly *their* stuff, noone earns wealth totally by oneself in modern society

when libertarians talk, all I hear is: "me me me me me me me me..." but maybe that's my European "socialist" view.

I don't know what Libertarianism is (too many "isms" to keep up with in politics today) but this guy definitely sounds like a "Sovereign Citizen".

7:10 Sam told him, before he said it, what his argument was, answered the presupposed arguement, and asked for the caller's opinion, and the best part was that the caller didn't rebutt what Sam said, he moved on to the question after Sam told him his own arguement. *Golf clap* just amazing.

Wow, Sam totally demolished the caller's argument. Like I almost felt bad for him.

Fantastic!

I love you Sam! All these old shows are coming up on my feed and I think it’s because I sought out every video I could find that showed and analyzed what happened when crowder was tricked into making eye contact with you for a few moments 🤣. It just occurred to me that Michael may have had something to do with that glorious event that has been boosting your sub numbers.

One of the few bright spots on the web. Thank you Mr. Seder for your show and your most eloquent efforts. I am not religious but if I was, it would be to praise your brilliant show. And, btw, collapsing planet kolob and libertarianism together is too amusing.

"walmart can't build roads" hah

Finally someone addresses the profoundly unequal power dynamic, the fundamental flaw of the libertarian "voluntary contract" argument.

i have been confused by some libertarians i see what i got wrong i agree with some of their social stances but hated their economic arguments and now i understand better thanks to this guy thanks sam

And the real argument we should be having is why the top 1% isn't paying their fair share !?! If they were, then perhaps these greedy little nobs would have to pay less.

Anyone who 'loves' Alex Jones should automatically be dismissed and ignored.

all libertarians would end up with feudalism

"I appreciated that you were sober."

What is Seder's adherence by the way? Which economic or political ideology, or intellectual etc?

"government" "illuminati" "patriarchy" Watch out for these folks that speak in general like that.

Taxation isn't a use of force. Money is a service the Federal Reserve offers to you with the stipulation that you will give a percentage of each transaction back to them. No one is forcing you to use Federal Reserve Notes to account for your transactions.

The baking of cakes can never be devoid of complications, but it can be made simpler by having enough helping hands to get you from the binding of ingredients to the baking process and beyond.

I love when callers valiantly tell Sam on which discrete points they agree with him. Wow. Sam's lucky day.😊

I don't agree with the caller on any point, and his conclusions are poor, but he still sounds too smart to listen to Alex Jones for 4 hours a day

So Sam wants nationalized care because it will lead to better outcomes? Then how come countries with universal care generally have longer waiting lines and worse outcomes for deadly diseases?

Are these guys ever thankful for the roads they drive on and the parks they attend?

Really gets to the root of things half way through. Glad there are people like Seder out there who can flesh this stuff all out for libertarians. Common sense if you have decent morals, which most people have.

12 dollars an hour isn’t a living wage for a single person in near every state

Is that H. Jon Benjamin on the other in-studio mic?

Cheesus Fries!!! That guy just drowned on and on talking in circles and making no sense. Lol

Sam really went in deep here and fully debunked the libertarian claim, its probably his best argument against libertarianism out of all of them, and all of them are great, but this one outright shows what the path towards a libertarian system would actually cause and what would harm it would cause for all of america as a whole.

Thank you

These people don't want to live in society yet they want to dictate terms for the entirety of society. No wonder they viewed The compassion of the majority as tyranny

Religion is a very appropriate term. Libertarianism is a faith-based belief system. There's damn sure no demonstrable, empirical proof it works.

so good!! Thank you Sam! this really explained the difference between progressivism and libertarianism: protection

This guy's solution to low wages is basically to call a general strike and demand higher pay across the board. I wonder how supportive he is of general strikes if you ask him upfront about them?

The problem is that they are not voluntarily accepting the wage. They are forcecd to take the non-living wage because it is better than zero dollars. That, in my book, is force. It is preying on someone because they aren't in a position to negotiate for better. This is why we have governments, and why we have laws about minimum wage.

Yeah these libertarians have no problem with corporations keeping their money earned through the use of force in the post state society.

I mean, $15 an hour with one working parent isn't going to support a family of 4 anyway.

"Chick Ah Fill" LOL

I can just see large corporations agreeing to contracts in a libertarian hell scape

"So much for that story you tell yourself."

I think the quagmire that libertarians get into is when it comes to how they would settle disputes. Walter Brock's alternative (with the multiple courts) sounded much more convoluted and bureaucratic than any of our courts. This caller just said that disputes would be decided according to *his* moral code, as if the person he hypothetically is in dispute with would be OK with it and rubber stamp that decision or would blindly honor the legitimacy of any court, much less his court. If there is no force or no means in which some rules/standard can be set, then how exactly do you enforce said rules when they are broken?

Libertarianism is not so much a philosophy as a form of autism at best, a form of sociopathology at worst.

Wow, Sam's fucking good at that.

"If moral rules apply, they apply for everyone." Not at all. Who told you that? What a bubble this dude lives in.

I had a movie idea about the economy being liquidated and everyone starting over from the same place. Interesting that Sam would mention that prospect.

Holy shit, these subscriptions are going up so fast, how is this happening?

Sam kinda said this, but it needs to be emphasized: Both complete equality of opportunity and free markets are impossible. But. More equality is good. Freer markets are not.

Okay, how about no taxes, but using roads is a subscription service, prices of all food inspected by the FDA includes a premium, and police charge for services, proportionate to the amount of your material property that has to be protected? I mean, that sounds waaay less efficient than just paying taxes, but sure.

Sam, you always do a really good job but one part of your argument that I don't like, which I believe I have heard you make before, is that "When in history has such and such existed" It's really kind of ridiculous because nothing existed before it did. Not modern Capitalism or modern policing or anything else. I bet 500 years ago there was 3 people sitting at a pub and one person thought out loud, "Wouldn't it be great if we didn't live under a monarch?" Sure, Greece, Rome and Carthage was one big exception but the vast majority of folks wouldn't have been able to imagine what that might look like and even less would have believed it possible and yet here we are. Monarchs are mostly a thing of the past and not looking to come back any time soon. If those prior examples hang some folks up, well then I would say the same thing for the people that came just before those nations. Now for a bit of ranting I really hate libertarianism and I hate that half of them have hijacked either the word Anarchism or the prefix Anarcho. My gripe aside, I dislike them as much as I can without needing to use the word "Hate" but they are seriously flirting with the border. Does it strike anybody as strange that you've never met a libertarian of color? Ok, I'm sure there is an exception here or there and I don't include anyone, POC or white, that is sorta transitioning towards left ideologies through libertarianism. As far as very serious, you know, 20+ year, die hard libertarians, I have never met a single one that didn't suffer a serious lack of melanin. One of my biggest gripes with their ideas is either A, the level of disconnect for struggling and oppressed peoples living in misery, especially when you consider that we are a social creature, or B, their very serious lack of empathy for said people. Libertarianism would only cement the white boot on our necks. White folks already own most of the world. Capitalism allows them to do it and libertarianism would allow the the worst inclinations of capitalism to go unchecked. Not just people of color either, but poor folks in general. You know, why libertarianism will never exist, because your Defense Resolution Organizations and voluntary militias would not hold back the tide of us tearing it down. The world would be so unjust, so completely miserable that poor people would be compelled to action. "When the world starves, the poor shall eat the rich"

Always found this Libertarianism thing weird. I might be off the mark here but judging by what I heard about it over time it all kinda ends with a bunch of mega monopolies without anything to prevent it and in essence these companies effectively become a form of government as they hold some product or service people need ergo forcing me to rely on it regardless of me wanting or not wanting to deal with said company for one reason or another. Am I understanding this correctly?

"Corporations are groups of people, and therefore should have the same rights as a group of people." Oh, so what composes the government then? Buttered farts and ha'pennies?

It amazes me that libertarians think that they're so smart but they don't get why we have to pay taxes if you like living in a functioning society than taxes are the price that you pay for that since the dawn of time we've paid taxes to live in a functioning society before there was paper money we used to pay those taxes and grains and crops there has always been a tax system in society

best libertarian smackdown i've seen on this channel so far!