Boris Müller creative genius is creative genius

@@C-RENITY That doesn't answer the question.

chasm671 I think you’ll find it does

@@C-RENITY No. I already found it doesn't.

chasm671 ok smarty pants

The US equivalent is people born after 9/11 who don’t know just how weird things got.

THIS! I was 8 when Chernobyl happened. I grew up in Norway. I remember seeing the images on the news. I remember sheep having to be slaughtered because of radiation and people not to eat wild foraged foods like mushrooms. Animals are still monitored to this day for radiation, especially in years where the is a lot of wind from the east. Then again, watching the US population first hand, they are experts at just moving on in their lives when something bad happens. I mean, there are mass-shootings daily in this country and still nothing is done. Germany banned nuclear reactors after Fukushima. Australia and New Zealand tightened gun laws after mass shootings in their own country.

@@NoorAnomaly there are actually 7 nuclear reactors still working in Germany, they'll be shut down in the next few years though. But it's the same as with our planned coal phase-out in 2038, things are not happening fast enough, even though we know the consequences. What the U.S. are doing is certainly insanely damaging and and ignorant, especially in terms of climate change and gun control, but I think we need to take responsibility for our own countries' faults as well.

​@@NoorAnomaly If you ban everything because of a few accidents, you will never be able to progress. Instead look for safer ways. The only real issue that caused the Fukushima disaster was because of poor design planning to protect against tsunami's, and was focused more for earthquake protection. Examples being that the emergency generators were in low-level buildings right along the water.. In the basements... Combined with an inadequate tsunami wall (6 meters high, wave was 15.) Had they been higher, the coolant pumps wouldn't have lost power and the plant wouldn't have had three meltdowns. Now I'm no geography expert but I don't think Germany has an issue with tsunami's to have to worry about that. If you look up Canada's Candu Reactor design and videos of the safety systems, you'd see those reactors are incredibly safe as they used both the Chernobyl and Fukushima disasters to be able to learn how to make it safer. Because lets face it. Nuclear is the only reliable way to get sufficient, stable power that is clean. And for the waste there are ways to reprocess it (Expensive so as of currently not efficient but over time that can change, just like other green methods) to the point that 20 years of unusable waste fits on a single truck. I'd also gladly go into crime statistics in the US with you but I'd rather not open that can of worms. (Video regarding the Candu reactors in a total station blackout(Worst case scenario)) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rM2Xrc9qtNTLkYE.html

D Kat You’re right.

To be fair to HBO, they wanted to fund GoT for 3 more seasons. The showrunners are the massive hack frauds

let go of your GOT bullshit. Youll be a better human

@@steveg6035 Hey, we can be perfectly good humans and still be just a petty bitch to GoT's showrunners because they deserve it.

@@PolliitoAle of course you can be good humans, but if you used the calories it takes to endlessly suck your thumb over GOT even just to stare at a wall, you would be just that much better.

Chernobyl felt like a breath of fresh air after the confusing horror show finale of game of thrones

@hammertapping 1. The woman (as explained by the show) was just the unification of all the scientists who helped legasov in chernobyl 2.The trial was just a way to show it without having to introduce new characters

@hammertapping Apparently you missed the point entirely. Sad.

@hammertapping I don't think you understand what the word "narrative" means. A narrative is just a story. Of which Chernobyl is an extremely well crafted one. It never claims to be 100% historically accurate, so there is no reason to call it "false", much less "a lie". As for your huge walls of texts, I have no time to read yours nor to respond in kind. This is KZfaq, not a fucking debate forum.

​@@renx81 there's a difference between lie and false information. False information can be passed to suspected person who do not posses critical thinking or critical knowledge to resist it. If there's a blame to make, it is quite insignificant and possibly not too important. Lies are based on willingness of a person to falsify information to suit his interest, and this is definitely a harmful action. However, most of the time people do both of those things - they do not want to change their views and want to keep themselves ignorant and ignore details, and lie to themselves and others ever so slightly. This can be exploited very effectively by such "revelations" who claim the truth for them, playing on their emotions. Chernobyl is a misinformation, and a deliberate lie, and a PR campaign, generously oiled with money, fame and finger pointing. In fact, the series itself is just a top of the iceberg of multi-million campaign of defamation and smearing. To not see even a fraction of this is to remain ignorant, quite willingly so.

hammertapping You must be Russian, your excuses for the behavior of the USSR State and it’s fabricated lies to the International Community is telling.

Which is ridiculously hyperbolic.

@@trinidad17 True, the Black Sea and connected rivers were almost poisoned by radiation to the point of making them unihabitable for 1000 of years, but that indeed is in no way the end of the world, except in a figurative sense. Luckily, the Soviets killed a few hundred miners in order to prevent that after the explosion.

@@Porpentein However the sad part is that in the end the core never melted through the concrete so the work done by the miners was actually in vain. They were made to do it because there was a possibility of it melting through the concrete. I am saying it after listening to a few accounts of relevant people and also Craig himself said it in the podcast.

@@muhammadsajid.official It was not in bain, at that moment no one couldn't have known. Also the concrete helped and is still helping to contain the radiation. My mother's friend was one of the men from Russia send there he was very young and never came back. And while at first they didn't know why they were sent there or the gravety of the situation once there they stayed and keep working while being poisoned by radiation. At least this young man my mother knew was just sent there without any explanation and not given any special suit while working in the main focus of radiation. Saying they died in vain is just like saying that the sacrifice they made has no value, because some once there and once undestanding the situation stayed because they felt they were protecing their nation. And they in fact did.

especially cause he is right, one kills himself by suicide and the other is dead within three

Donald J Trump

another good quote "Why worry about something that's not going to happen?"

Yep. Look at global warming today, just saying the term offends folks so much the truth is buried until the effects are too disastrous

It's not like climate change, covid, and the biodiversity crises exist right? Right?

hayabusa1x this is a great point, i never thought of that!

hayabusa1x brilliant comment

It is a staple of horror movies: don't show the horror, let the audience imagine it ourselves. Our imagination is always more horrifying than what we can see.

@@harmenbreedeveld8026 and reinforcing that this is *REAL* thing... you can dismiss a ghost or a devil and called it that was my imagination.. while you cant do that when dealing with the radiation...

@@Ruzaraneh Yes, that is what makes it extra horrible. Our brains have some idea of what is coming. Then, our brains also do not really understand it, so again ... our imagination can run wild. And it did :-)

As another former navy nuke ET, I was also surprised with how much science they actually used in the show, quite a bit over dramatized but I had to convince myself it was a show that had to make money and not a documentary to exclusively educate. The part I was most surprised about were the details brought to light behind the miners and the water table, I didn't think they would get that far into that story! Overall it was an entertaining and mostly honest portrayal of those events and I wouldn't be a surprised if this is something they show at prototype now about the importance of conservative actions and trusting your indications. I'm just a little dismayed at how the show managed the information leading some people to mainly focus on the results and not the incredible neglect, both in the design and Soviet management that lead to said results, and how just how incredibly unique those circumstances were. It did touch on them here and there but they should have spent more of the show's run time going further down that rabbit hole.

@@anydaynow01 Especially how much errors were done during design phase, i.e. intially designers thought they can fit much longer rods into reactor, when it turned out impossible however, they made next bad assumption about water film colling which never worked, etc..., therefore they left reactor with bad rod construction with too much water displaced at the bottom, etc... Nikolay Dollezhall, the main designer was warned many times about the issues, but he ignored them. Legasov was also in Kurchatov institute, he promoted RBMK design despite knowing it's deficiencies.

@Robert Allan BINGO!

@@anydaynow01 It's not taught at prototype, but it is in power school. I only saw two inaccuracies, the dog scene and the pregnancy. The dog scene may or may not have happened in real life, a lot of debate there, but it's fitting for the show so no arguments here. The pregnant woman saying "my baby absorbed the radiation and saved my life" was used as proof that the show was wrong, but I think those people are missing the point, she's not a scientist or operator, she's a grieving mother and widow looking for meaning in something she barely understands. It's a great show.

Thanks for the laugh.

In the U.K. the book is called Chernobyl Prayer + it is one of the greatest books I've ever read.

LOL!!! That's sad and clever @David Dawson

Lol

In case you haven't bought it as a hard copy, I highly encourage you to do it. After reading the third last chapter "childrens choir" it send me down an incomparable emotional spiral of anger and sadness. Never had that before, not even remotely

We should all file a class action lawsuit against for Hbo for ptsd after the sheer suck that was GOT season 8.

they need at least 10 Chernobyl quality shows to make up for GoT s8.

Just got done with Chernobyl. What a great series! i'm about to watch GoT season 8. Should I not watch it, or skip certain episodes?

@@LittleMopeHead skip the whole season and leave season 7 to be the eternal cliff hanger

@@LittleMopeHead Uh.. just go in with low expectations and leave your brain at the door.

Just keep in mind it's not the real who, and not what really happened.

The series is based on a book that was presented in the beginning of the video. The book very much like Solzhenitsyn's "GULAG archipelago" translated into the reality of Chernobyl disaster. With same narrative and same major ideas, to boot, no wonder that author received Nobel prize as well.

@@jonesjohnson6301 It is based on the PERSPECTIVE of the people that went through that. So to them, that's how it really happened. That's how they told the story, from their subjective experience. I've been to Chernobyl/Pripyat and to several museums while In Chernobyl City/Kiev, and trust me, the story they tell is really close to what actually happened.

The funniest part that there was a recent (couple of weeks ago) accident with nuclear engine, that caused some levels of contamination and a dozen of direct casualties, including those of medics not being warned about patients contaminated status. And the government works the same way it was working in 1986 trying to cover tracks and top secreting everything, that is hilarious, as there were numerous Russian videos "debunking" western propaganda in Chernobyl series and describing soviet unions are state of freedom and transparency.

@@mezmerya5130 no, the incident a couple of weeks ago was in fact an event similar to the creation of movie "Chernobyl". Something happened, and nobody understood what, and nobody cared to understand, and before official explanations could be issued they've created completely fictional story about "nuclear blast" and "contamination". Remember kids: western media is incapable of learning from their mistakes.

I clicked off the video because I don’t know what happened yet Lol

Pussy is hilarious

It's like spoilers to "9/11"

I spoiled the Bible to other kids in elementary school saying Jesus gets killed in the end.

@@GeorgeWashington76 But he came back to live in the end. (He never really died)

Accurate. Man messing with something he can't fully control. "Behold! I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds."

Because we already know the extension of the disaster while we wait anxiously for the characters to bit by bit see the big picture ;-;

@@tehbonehead it's not that we cant control it, it's that the government hid prior events similar to but less extreme than Chernobyl. Every nuclear fuckup can be laid at the feet of human beings who thought they could play fast and loose with the power of the atom. It's almost anti-lovecraftian.

@@NutNapalm Comrade Dyatlov seemed pretty confident that he could control Reactor 4 that night... The source doesn't matter; whenever humans mess with that kind of power, eventually we *will* screw up right royally.

@Ewelina You might want to give the first season of The Terror a try. Jared Harris is also in a lead role in it, (as is Adam Nagaitis, who plays a *very* different character from poor Vasilliy the noble firefighter!) and although it's got some supernatural-ish elements, it's more of an existential horror story based on true, tragic events: the disappearance of the Franklin Expedition in the Arctic over 150 years ago. If you think you'd enjoy a series that begins by flat out telling you that you're about to watch an expedition that had no survivors, and that stirs your curiousity, you'll probably get hooked on The Terror.

That music is so haunting. I cannot help but look it up every couple weeks. 'Eternal Remembrance' or 'Never Forget'. A perfect epitaph to a tragic, heroic story of real suffering, real perseverance, and the very real consequences of denying truth until reality shows it does not care what your politics say it must be.

i was hoping someone would point this out. great track

Makes me cry. Every. Single. Time.

@@Debilitator47 it's a hymn that is sung by Ukrainians in memorials for the deceased, so there's a very viscerally human element embedded in it, even throughout the variations of its melodic composition

@@wayfaringspacepoetYeah, I looked it up after I watched the show. Really beautiful.

It was only one of those. Guess which one...

@@longlostwraith5106 it was neither

@@ivanmonahhov2314 it wasn't scientific?

@@silyu97 has a lot of errors , which have a pattern. The thermal explosion numbers if water reaches corium were a very powerful thermonuclear bomb level of power and then they gave explosion radius numbers above estimated 100 megaton thermo-nuclear bomb.Reasons for using RBMK reactors were omitted. The maximum reading of dozimeter which became a meme were also semi-manufactured. Basically I can rewatch the show and bitch about it in realtime.

@@ivanmonahhov2314 So could i. But i still like it for the tribute to the people loosing everything ans especially the ones cleaning up that mess. It's inaccurate alright ... but not in human tragedy!

So he gives a shit about people and just focuses on the USSR instead of anything else? Thanks now I know what book to never read.

@@belisarius6949 I think maybe they meant that the book will fill in the missing information from the show for anyone who wants to understand why and how it all happened

@@belisarius6949 It was a book recommendation, calm down.

@@GerryBolger Chernobyl was very much avoidable though. A lot of things had to fall together for it to actually happen.

GerryBolger Sounds great.

Chrinik I had a similar feeling, I read voices from Chernobyl when I was 13, researched, watched documentaries and read books etc but not once in 15 years of having an interest in the Chernobyl disaster did I come across the “Suicide Squad” divers until I seen the HBO Series. Such a well put together series and very informative

Chrinik Yuvchenko loved for a long time, but he passed away recently

@@kerbo312 That's unfortunate.

Given what I have read, I wonder if the water was what protected the divers - in water radiation cannot penetrate as far as in the air so even though there were radioactive particles in that water, they didn't do close to as much damage as the same concentration in the air would have done.

@@kamilerastene5275 late answer but yeah, it's the water. You can swim near the surface of modern nuclear reactors and get less radiation poisoning than by just living on a granit-rich ground.

This is actually completely false myth spreaded by HBO. Dyatlov was not such asshole in reality. They needed a villain, and based events on the book by Medvedev, which contains a lot of false information. Designers of reactor are most responsible.

@@cytrynowy_melon6604 It's kind of ironic how many liberties they took in a show about the importance of truth. I worry most about the damaging effect it may have on public perception of nuclear power, which is pretty important to solving global warming.

@@Eudaletism kinda ironic that the control room is underground, not above... :/

To paraphrase one of my favorite movies; "no...it is better than that."

of propoganda.

D'aw does it still sting sweetie?

@@Debilitator47 nah watched as a comedy. There is so much bullshit there. The fact they only drank vodka , the helicopter scene , the lie about the cause of evacuation delay , almost everything about that fictional character , the scene with access to restricted documents, the lie about robots.

It's anti nuclear bs.

Trollsama- Yeah, just look at stuff like Shakespeare's historical plays or even Roman historians that were more concerned with politics than preserving historical truth. Chernobyl is a good show, recent Netflix films The Outlaw King and The King (Henry V) are good movies, but all of them are varying degrees of bad history. Even a lot of History today is clouded by political agenda. Which institutions get funding, which journals and articles get published, which accounts become a part of popular history. And I suspect this isn't always intentional. While you may sometimes get a journal editor or College dean or Institute head or fiction publisher or movie producer or, most obviously, think-tank directly making these choices based on ideology I think the problem is systemic. It's just a consequence of living in a State that culture reflects the will of the State.

Thats just a consequence of history in general. All things fade with time, memory most of all. No media can accurately portray the events of the past 100%. The only accounts that can be fully trusted are those that lived through them in their entirety and even those are dodgy since the way people see events can vary wildly. Most media have to find ways to fill in the blanks because there is just no way to get everything, no way to have definitive and absolute truth. Its not intentionally lying, it just has no choice but to try a fill in the blanks or you otherwise have a jumbled incoherent mess that teaches people nothing.

History itself is hearsay and can be very inaccurate. The phrase “History is written by victors” is a great example of how history can be extremely and easily manipulated. It’s hard to get accurate information when human error is involved. A nuclear physicist named Vassili Nesterenko thought the second explosion at the power plant would be a “3-5 megaton explosion”, however scientists in present time believe it would have only been a several kiloton explosion. Vassili Nesterenko was one of the physicists who helped with the disaster and yet he accidentally lied in a 1996 interview about the scale of the second possible explosion, because he must have thought his calculations were true.

This comment accurately explains how exactly the lies about my own country are created and propagated. Netflix shows have taken this to a new height. We Hindus are portrayed as some kind of demons by our own society (which is made up of 79% Hindus). Leaders like Modi are maligned in the exact same way. They say we hate the Muslims and torture them, while its the exact opposite that is true. Half-truths and forming a narrative around it is how the psychology of the masses is mobilized to create political movements that are detrimental to everything such movements purport they support. They claim to be working for stopping religious tensions, for peace and for the minorities. Yet in reality they are fanning religious tensions, working to disrupt peace and working to appease one minority at the cost of all other minorities and the majority itself. A small example is the recent riots in USA. The looting that occurred showed the reality of that movement. In India too we had a similar movement that claimed that Modi's government was planning to throw Muslims out of India. These were baseless allegations with no anchor in reality. The government was targeting illegal immigrants from Bangladesh who have stolen Indian jobs and tilted the electoral politics in the states bordering that country. Later, Investigation agencies found that these protests were highly organized and protesters paid and organized by a radical Muslim outfit the previous version of which was banned in India. Source: economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/ed-finds-financial-links-between-pfi-and-anti-caa-protests-in-up-sources/articleshow/73662688.cms Another example, Kashmir. I am sure you have heard in your news media that Kashmir is under "occupation" by India. The truth is that both by domestic and international law, Kashmir is a sovereign part of India. They say Muslims are being raped and tortured there while offering absolutely no proof. These people have been caught passing pictures of violence in Palestine dressed as pictures of Kashmir, not in some tweet, but in formal institutions such as UN itself ( www.firstpost.com/world/pakistan-shows-gaza-war-victims-photo-as-face-of-indian-atrocities-draws-flak-4076457.html ). But no one would tell you how Hindus and Sikhs of Kashmir were chased out by mobs threatening to rape and kill them (actually killing 1000+), leading to forced exodus of 140,000 Hindus and Sikhs ( source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus ). If India is such a tyrant and led by a "Hindu Nationalist Nazi" Modi, why have Hindus of Kashmir not been resettled in Kashmir yet? Because Modi is no a Nazi and neither are the rest of Hindus nor is the Indian Army. Kashmir has been almost in a state of civil war since the 1990s. 5 August last year, Modi took the decision of taking away their special status that allowed the State of Kashmir's political parties (led by two political families for decades) to foment trouble and point the finger at India. Modi took away the powers from these politicians and arrested sepratist leaders in an unprecedented move. This is Kashmir now, see for yourself: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f7CVnb2ms8qlpI0.html kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mL2iiayil7y2gWw.html No incidents of Kashmiris throwing stones at Indian Army or Police, rapid development of infrastructure, people feeling hopeful of finally getting jobs. A complete U-turn from just one year ago when every day stones were thrown at Indian police and Army, slogans were raised against India, mobs roamed the towns. Youth who used to raise the banners of ISIS and Taliban have now started to look up to their future. A hopeless situation that was created for the people by the separatists and local politicians in the name of freedom from "Hindu" India has now been turned on its head. Muslims people of Kashmir have realized where their well-being lies. This video shows exactly how the lies were spun earlier: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ftWbeLFi2cywqWg.html Sorry that I went on a rant. Just something I felt very strongly while reading this comment.

Not only do they not have an understanding of the history, they have no understanding of the science. This is abundantly clear in the comment section of this video.

A. J. Even if some of the stuff wouldn’t have happened like sleeping into ground water, they risked their lives to make sure it didn’t happen, I’m astounded at the sacrifice and bravery of those people

People who say it wasn't a continent-scale disaster...tell that to the children in Corsica who developed leukemia from the fall out all the while the French government lied through their crooked teeth and claimed no fall out occurred. The West lied just as much as the Soviets about this disaster and who bad it could have been. To try to diminish just what was at stake is to spit on the heroes who became crippled and or died to keep it from getting that far. Piss on these scoffers.

Even with an NLRT model the number of cancer deaths in Europe would be in the 10,000 range, over 30years. A large number in absolute terms but an undetectable increase when millions die each year from cancer. In fact even the Chernobyl liquidators show no detectable increase in leukaemia, hard to see how you could attribute individual cases in Corsica to Chernobyl.

A. J. funny how StelzCat is nowhere to be seen under this comment, that communist prick

@@colinmacdonald1869 Plus it should be mentioned that most of these cancers would be thyroid cancer, in those unfortunate enough to have ingested radioactive iodine during the short time it existed -a cancer with a very high survival rate nevertheless. (98% 5y survival I think?)

Except it is not real. It is all pulled out of thin air inside Mazin's proverbial head. To quote the video: 3:05 "Craig Mazin understood perfectly just where the knowledge of Chernobyl ended and our ignorance on the matter began". I think it perfectly describes the situation.

@@StelzCat The reality was actually much worse than what can be shown on normal TV.

@@zzip0 of course it was worse - it was a life-long drama, not a horror movie. It is simply impossible to translate it on TV, impossible to understand for popcorn-munching generation of morons. It's not like Mazin even tries.

@@StelzCat Actually Mazin is doing his job really well. And he spares some really ugly details. Mazin is also very restrained. For example I knew a couple who claimed to have had passioned open-air sex on the roof of one of the apartment blocks, while watching the blue light of the burning powerplant on the first night. Compared to this, the hated by putinists scene at the "bridge of death" looks very measured and innocent. As for the horror movie, life in USSR had this strange property that your life could transform into a horror in a second. You can find eye-witness stories on youtube, which are real horror about Chernobyl. For example one of the military personnel whos job was to measure radiation around tells how they were driving around in specialized armored vehicle on the first night measuring horrific levels of radiation... At one moment one of them made a mistake and wrongly attributed high gamma radiation to high level neutrons... Therefore they all thought that nuclear explosion will follow in minutes.... They made a cold calculation that they have no chance to escape fast sufficiently far and expected to die any second.... Few minutes later they realized that the measurement is wrong.

@@zzip0 I am not interested in what kind of job was assigned to Mazin and how well he has done it, I am only interested in truth. If his job was to create a blockbuster, or a horror movie, or a propaganda, or a myth - I don't care. I only care about what sort of mental harm he inflicts on people. And it is very particular how same people who despise USSR are also talking ill about Russia in general, are afraid of "putinists" and "the government". They live in a specially framed world, invented by people like cinema directors, cinema critics, politicians, journalists and newspaper editors. They know nothing about a reality. The can all go to hell.

But Nazis were Germans? Soviets were all nations under USSR, Russians, Ukrainians, like Nazis. They were Russians and Soviets at the some times, Russia didn't disappear for couple of decades, with cultures, languages and people, to be magically replaced by Soviets.

@@bizzapandare1209 Yes Nazis were ONLY germans, the concept of nazism was made to promote germans/aryans as the top race above all races they most definitely weren't Yugoslavs, Greeks or Poles. Soviets were fifteen nations with Russians being the largest one. You could say all Russian are soviets but not all soviets are Russian.

@@bizzapandare1209 True, "Soviet" encompassed a large grouping of peoples. But in this case, the original comment is right. Saying "Russian" when the people this covers were from so many different regions/cultures does a disservice to them all, above all the Ukrainians who were affected the most.

@@milo1263 Are you serious? Austrians, Sudetan Czechs, Dutch, Belgians, the Silver Legion, the list of peoples who were Nazi's [either in the NSDAP directly or offshoots in other nations] is much longer than just what I've typed.

@@Tekisasubakani Whooooosh! Your head

Haha glad you liked John! This was a particularly hard one to put together

Savage Books have you considered opening a Patreon account? I’d love to support your videos through more than just views.

Sidd Sen And Godzilla himself is a metaphor for the atomic bomb...

It's funny he mentions Godzilla as an example. The very first Godzilla film (Gojira, 1954) was, itself, a deconstruction of monster movies. It was an allegory to the suffering caused by the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, in addition to the Tokyo fire bombings. Not only did it portray the human cost and misery, the film was sympathetic to the monster, who was an enraged, yet confused victim of the bomb, and only wished to be left alone. It was less of an atomic monster movie and more of a war horror/tragedy story.

@@Sierra026 not really, it was filmed half-year after Bikini Atoll bombing, which caused a so much environmental damage and human suffering it could be compared to Chernobyl by itself. Yet nobody mentions it at all, not even remotely, so my respect to them naturally remains at zero.

you mean 1:23:45 times?

@@bojantesin5665 google buddy

@@bojantesin5665 Facts/withness cases(this u shoud google). But im open to listen to you, explaining why you mocking me, im honestly courious.

Ok, call bullshit on that story Péter, unless you can bring som kind of source. I tried google but no luck.

@Palotás Péter Dude, nice story, but nonsense. The radioactive cloud traveled North-West after the explosion (i.e. past Hungary) and only then dispersed all over Europe, including Hungary. Trees being partially dead one morning? Come on...

Any consequences in central europe were miniscule. In former Yugoslavia, area bordering Hungary (Baranya area) there were some precautions taken, but absolutely no immediate or permanent consequences from Chernobyl disaster there.

Exactly! The UN reports I respect say that *maybe* 4000 people will eventually die from Chernobyl's fallout, but that figure itself is based on a mathematical guess called the Linear No Threshold model which *assumes* that there is "no safe level" of radiation. It's an old assumption from an old study that has been questioned with modern science, and there may actually be BENEFITS to slightly increased radiation exposure as it may stimulate the body's cancer fighting abilities. The science is not clear. But the one thing you can be sure of is that coal kills about 3 million people a year, and that's not taking climate change into account! And these reports that Chernobyl might kill a million people or so are driven by anti-nuclear activists. "From 1986 onward, the total death toll of the disaster has lacked complete consensus; as peer-reviewed medical journal The Lancet and other sources have noted, it remains contested most extremely among a wide range of anti-nuclear lay groups.[1]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_due_to_the_Chernobyl_disaster

I agree that the stakes were inflated for dramatic effect in the show. But supposed Kilo tonnage of an explosion doesn't paint the whole picture of what radioactive fallout can do. When they said continent spanning threat, they didn't mean all the people in the continent would die of the radiation. It means a large part of the continent(Not the whole continent) would be slowly poisoned by the fallout people may seem unaffected, but birth defects would increase, cancer would increase, crops wouldn't grow as well etc. Direct resultant deaths is a bad metric to figure out the effect of radioactive contamination.

Yeah it's ironic that a show about the dangers of telling lies takes more than a few liberties with the truth. I've read about Chernobyl a few times over the years and lots of the events don't line up, and some parts are played up/total fabrications. It seems someone has written up most of it on the wikipedia entry for the series if anyone wants to inform themselves. Another layer to the irony is that a video about ignorance and a voyeuristic media completely overlooks this.

@Hal 9000 It's not about defending how the USSR handled the situation, they obviously fucked it all to hell and a lot less people may have died had they handled it better. It's about people exaggerating the danger of radiation exposure in order to scare people from embracing nuclear energy, which may be the only legitimate solution to the global warming crisis we're experiencing right now that could be enacted in time to stop the oceans from killing millions.

@@deadringer6759 To be fair, the bridge of death wasn't a total fabrication, it was a local legend. That being said, expressing a local legend as if true is... troubling.

Not great? You're delusional! Get to the infirmary.

You are in shock..get him out of here!!

(projectile vomits)

Oh snap

*Its not 3.6k likes. Its 20,000.*

Ask in which country the plant is located... always get some surprising answers sadly

Sadly modern day Russia isn't too different in those regards from the Soviet Union. Sure, there is more individual freedom, but everything is still about ego and self preservation. Sanctions or no sanctions - Russia's economy and society are so deeply ingrained with Soviet ideology and the glorious achievements of WW2 and the Cold War that nothing can change that and Putin made sure that it will remain that way for a long time. Just take a look at the panic they went into when their Nuclear Thermal Rocket detonated. Their first reaction was covering everything up. At least this time they had the decency of acknowledging that it happened right there and then (and that shouldn't be taken for granted - because if it weren't for the internet and free flow of information they would have definitely covered it up).

Amazing not Amasing

@@MrMuki61 Russia's economy is nothing like it was under the Soviet Union and it certainly doesn't follow Marxist-Leninist ideology. It has transformed from being almost entirely state owned to almost entirely privately owned. Society has changed immensely as well, instead of being a single party Communist State, it is now a de jure capitalist democracy and de facto a corrupt capitalist plutocracy. The only thing that has remained the same is the authoritarian nature and the lies...

@@lukeg8466 I wrote that in reference to the underlying mindset prevalent in Russia (and most ex-Soviet states), rather than the de jure situation. Other than that, completely agree.

It was historical fiction if that makes you feel any better. Much of the show is exaggerated to make the show better.

Roadside Picnic as well

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I was only a child but not being allowed to play outside for weeks and then not being allowed to eat venison or mushrooms for years made an impact on me.

Likewise. I was born a decade after the incident, in Hungary, but I was very much aware of its consequences, and even some of its particulars. I find it a completely incorrect statement that 'we willingly forgot the chernobyl disaster'. No. We absoljtely didnt, and we never will.

How did you like the show?

Wanted to write that myself, as this view is realy strong, It was soviet not russian, many goverment members were not russian, for example one of the judges who wanted to cover it up and throw all the blame on the engineers was latvian, most of those present in the start are ukrainian and so on so on. I would say the same can be said about ww2 where most say thats it russians while in fact its soviets. Many of them were not russian by ethnicity. But Russia was the strongest soviet "republic"

Russian as well. Most KGB archives remain classified to this day.

I can't get my parents to watch it. They were like - I don't wanna watch a show about communists - we lived that shit, we know. - and I argue that it is really good, but it didn't seem to matter.

I remember when it happened but we didn't know it almost ended the world.

My mom was in Leningrad, walking around under the warm spring rains which almost definitely brought some radioactive dust from the south, and she knew nothing about it. That's what she doesn't like to remember.

@@Ratboy2004 it didn't that's called hyperbole

The world was no where near ending. Lol

The government did not hide any information, it is a shroud of time and ignorance that keeps us from learning the truth. Author of the video admits it in the beginning of the video, if you are capable to understand that, after all.

StelzCat That is not what the video says. It does say that the event was forgotten “naturally” due to the passage of time. BUT it also says that that is what the government wanted to happen and tried to make happen. Now whether that’s true or not is another question.

@@GrayCatbird1 I assume it is pretty natural, unfortunately, time and human ignorance can be easily exploited. The movie's assessment of government actions is complete fiction - none of the creators ever said anything about reading into official investigation, nor asking official investigators. There is no proof that government acted on any of these presumptions, in fact, if you count the time - Chernobyl happened in 1986, only 5 years later there was no government to speak of. The movie is based almost entirely on book that was presented in the video, and the book itself is based on third-person witness, reinterpreted by author tract. You can't expect any unbiased views in here, the series is in fact so bad that it contradicts itself on regular basis, only cares to shock and affect people as much as possible.

@@StelzCat But how can you know whats the real truth? what's unbiased? - just because a witness apparently gave a trustworthy story? - how do you know they are not payed off by the govertment to cover the real truth?. Many tragic events are full of controversy because how the fuck do we know who to trust? - just because someone that seems innocent enough to be trustworthy gives a history? - we weren't there we can't confirm it ourselves - if you look at it from that perspective, third person witness could be just as credible as a first person witness - there is no "truth" there is only who you choose to trust - that doesn't guarantee a 100% credible story - there will always be some sort of corruption going on to help public image, to help a friend out etc this world is full of people who think about themselves first and then others. In that sense, the series has the right idea. Not to mention that there was injustice in many aspects by the govertment in response to the victims or people guilty by this incident.

Its not the governments fault its the fault of the higher ups responsible to run the god damn reactor, they wanted to keep their jobs which paid them very well so they told lies. The ministers (the government) didnt know any better until the scientists told them the truth. Then it was too late. The ministers co-operated with scientists so they could curb the damage done. it was the fault of those three people and the people who were corrupt funnelled money from the reactors cost and produced one with cheap graphite rods those corrupt people were allied with the kgb.

Totally agree, especially when he says "Our heros are Soviet Scientist, the Dark Lord is Russia", this tells me that he isn't using Russian as a synonym for the Soviet union like a lot of Americans do, but he is deliberately choosing this phrasing knowing the distinction.

And saying that the whole of Russia was at stake?

That’s a hard disagree mate. Anybody with a basic knowledge of Soviet/Russian internal/external affairs know that they are totally interchangeable. Hell, the Federation is basically the Union but different words to the same tune of the national anthem

@@overdramaticnerd806 "A hard disagree" lol. OK, I'll bite and I'll address your points in order: 1. That's a really weak ad hominem attack not a refutation. 2. The Federation is not "basically the same as the (USSR)". You're showing your own ignorance here. Take a look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Soviet_states and learn just how many people you'd be upsetting with that sweeping generalisation, particularly the Ukrainians. 3. So what ? It's an iconic tune and surely the lyrics are the pertinent part. You know who else uses an edited anthem from a controversial period? Germany. How about this to rock your word: Before the adoption of The Star Spangled Banner, one of the de facto US national anthems, America (My Country, 'Tis of Thee), uses the tune to the UK national anthem. Ironic, huh?

Panserbjorn I’m just finishing up work rn and I’ll go way more in depth into what I meant when I get back home and address what you said here as well.

From a story-telling or psy6chological viewpoint, or even a morals viewpoint, it was an excellent story. The problem is that at the moment we are trying to determine energy policy for the next, oh, 100 years. Are we going to go with running fossil fuels so far into the ground that plastics will be like gold in 2250? OR are we going to get past the fears and use what the universe gave us to bootstrap us into fusion energy in the future? We are in the cusp of a decision that will totally affect the next 3-5 generations, possibly far beyond that. One of the factors in that decision is whether to use fission power or not. And here comes "Chernobyl", saying things like "radiation is contagious" and "it killed people like flies on that Bridge of Death" and "if the corium gets to water there would be a 2.4 megaton blast". No, Mazin and Co. were making a psychological point with deep abstract application and had not a care about how it would affect anything beyond the next fiscal year. "Bits and pieces" is not a basis on which to build future national policy. I contend its accuracy is very important.

Okay I’m going to sound very ignorant and uneducated but how come they are different? I know a bit but I wasn’t taught much about Russian history in school

@@ameliaweresmintgreen The Soviet Union does not exist anymore. It consisted of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, the Baltic states and many more.

@@nathansikner2560 horrible times...

@ComaBerenices It's not a documentary,it's a drama first and foremost.If you can't get that much through your thick skull,you've got no right to talk about actual scientists and facts. Either way,there's really no need to be such a pedantic twat about it.The series depicts the events more realistically than anything that came out of the USSR or today's Russia so far and takes only a few artistic liberties...it's nowhere near to "half of the show is nonsense" as you state.

@@tunnar79 wait a second, dear mister, you can't say that it's "not a documentary" and immediately claim that it depicts events realistically. You can't say that we have "no right" to talk about science and facts and then claim that it takes "only few" artistic liberties? Do you know that? Do you know how it is called? Did you even read what you've posted?

@@StelzCat Documentaries don't hold a monopoly over the realistic depiction of events,so I can freely say what I said.What kind of sideways buggered logic is hinting at something like "only documentaries are allowed to show the truth",anyway?! As for your you having "no right",it's just a figure of speech,no need to overthink it. Regarding the artistic liberties part,I wrote it in order to present that the show does indeed has some flaws (like conglomerating the 100+ scientists that worked on the case into a single woman), BUT (and this is the main point) it is a lot more factual regarding what happened than whatever else came out of current day Russia and the former USSR regarding Chernobyl.So no,it's nowhere near "sloppy and manipulative",nor is it "half nonsense" as the guy I replied to said.

@@tunnar79 yes they do. In a different sense than just artistic depiction, they hold the utmost monopoly because they depict reality verified by thousands, not the personal fantasy of the author or his team. Such falsification can be only explained by desire to bend the truth. The problem is that you, apparently, don't know about anything what "comes out of USSR or Russia" and did not spend a single minute reading about it. You just assumed your knowledge of facts based on the propaganda and lies. I would probably surprise you by saying that the movie is based on the book that comes from former-USSR dissident writer, Svetlana Alexievich. There are too many figures of speech in texts that praise this creation yet only take some moments to think about it really. People should be more respectful to their own intelligence. Instead they just say "we could not possibly doing things as stupid as this" and forget about it instantly.

@@StelzCat They most definitely do not.We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. As for the fantasies of the authors,perhaps you know them better in your substance addled reveries,but what I know is that they did indeed keep close to the facts. And no,unlike what I heard back then from my old Selga radio (and from current day Russian outlets talking about CIA terrorists blowing up the reactor),the show keeps itself pretty far from propaganda (no,saying the USSR's way of doing things was bad is NOT propaganda,it's just a proven fact). Fuckin hell man,you sound exactly like one of those butthurt Russian communists who still think the USSR and the shitshow it created in E. Europe was something good.Perhaps you were lucky to be born after the fall of the USSR or lucky enough to be born into a family with rich political ties,sheltered by the realities of communism and that's why you have such a golden view of things....but things were anything but golden in those times.

I agree with you. Especially among Eastern Europeans. I was born in 1995 not far from Moscow and I don’t personally know anyone who was related to the tragedy. Still, I wasn’t only taught about it, I have a sort of genetic memory, I feel a good amount of sadness and sense of loss about the event I did not witness. It’s even more present among people who’s relatives were involved in the liquidation.

@@anastasialovesoranges same for western europe

Agree, but the he should say Soviet Russia for that same historical accurancy (however it is spelled)

@@camichiBichi yea

@@camichiBichi No. He should say Soviet. Russia was just an ethnicity at that time, same as Byelklorussian, Ukranian. The accident happened in Ukraine and moist of the people involved were Ukranian, other than Legasov and the other ministers in Moscow. They were all Soviet as a nationality.

The view in the West is that the USSR was a Russian creation, mostly lead by Russians, and designed for the benefit of what we would now call Russia. I suspect part of this stems from the fact that the USSR was a political, economic, and military union, whereas NATO was almost entirely a military alliance. The USSR was (and is) seen in the west as a single unitary state, where the federated states had little to no power to conduct internal affairs if those affairs disagreed with the central government in Moscow. As such, it tends to be seen as a Russian hegemony and thus you wind up with "Russian" being viewed as synonymous with "Soviet." Whether or not that's accurate? I have no idea. I'm not an expert on Soviet-Era politics. My knowledge mostly starts around the time the USSR started to fall apart in the late 80s.

@@MrKeserian you worded that briliantly. Its just stupid to me. Yes they are simular but they are also sooo different. You cant say USSR did this thing in the past so the Russians are the ones to blame today. Also mlst of the leaders of USSF werent Russian.

And the series is about that, don't you get it? They touch the science, but not enough to say how thing could have gone better, and play on the emotional side of things, because "you're a Nazi that would like babies to be born without limbs" if you still support nuclear power. Just look how many people think Europe almost was erased from the map in the comments, which is obviously not true given that they interviewed many that did work there and are still doing reasonably well. But people in some other country far away those were in danger, some say, yeah. Emotion vs science. Just look at what Germany and the EU signed recently, in their "green" deal they want to get rid of nuclear and adopt more coal, because maybe if they throw enough money somehow perhaps one day solar will be worth it, fingers crossed, and sadly there is apparently no other option.

It’s been THIRTEEN YEARS

"Gone the homes the gardens and the playgrounds Gone the souls who made their livings here They say this place will always be a ghost town It will be for at least six hundred years"

^_^

Congratulations! You have earned your place in the queue to pay for the cost of lies you have helped to spread! Unfortunately, the queue is very long, millions after millions of people who did not care to learn the truth by themselves and got trapped in delusion. It is going to take a long time to resolve everything (probably, the law of cause and effect is a finicky matter), but we promise you will not escape your reckoning.

It is obviously and clearly not true. lol In what world people live? Just read some comments where people say here in this comment section that they live somewhat near where the accident happened. I imagine you think they are mutants or something, because if it barely affected people nearby, it's not like it would affect anything else much farther away.

@@trinidad17 not right away. But radiation spread on this scale would be like Yellowstone erupting: It wont encompass the Earth in a day, but once Worst-Case starts, it CANNOT be stopped by ANY effort. And yes, Im well aware mutants from chernobyl is a myth. Im not stupid. With how truely deadly uncontained radiation is, its actually hard to find intentional hyberbole to be inacurrate. Of course, at the time, nobody could have known HOW bad chernobyl truely was. Had chernobyl been left to rage without containment? Europe today would be a literal irradiated wasteland, the seas radiation rising every day.