Excactly the same for me concerning the newest vapor V. Still climbing the first vapor V with XS Grip 2 Rubber for Sportclimbing outdoors. The Vapor S are much better than the Vapor V! I tried them on at home, stepped around, ... multiple days i tried this shoe at home a bit. I honestly never climbed in them, since i got too many climbing shoes, but I can pretty comfortably say, that they should feel better than the Vapor V and that I second this review :)

The Vapour V was such a disappointment, whereas these were the exact opposite - everything I’d hoped for (and more)!!

Great to hear you're making use of that toe rubber!

any recommendations about the sizing? should be downsized to the normal street size? I have NIAD vcs same as street size (UK 8) @UKClimbing

I’m not sure that’s entirely economical though 😅

what is baffling is on my Furia Airs the yellow material has been degrading for a while with this same strap closure... but the material has not worn through the actual structural backing. Uncertain why La Sportiva has not solved this since the inception of the Solution... fifteen years ago or more? Every Solution and Futurua I had owned had the webbing break after a couple months of heavy usage, and resolers would simply replace with a burlier strap which would wear but nowhere near as fast. At some point, I actually ripped the stitches from the nylon strap, punched holes in the leather at the base, and did actually thread half a shoe lace through to create this same manner of nanostrap. Making this hard to replace is bizarre, and such a failure point, too.

Interesting, thanks! We'll try and get hold of a pair. Rob reviewed these a few weeks ago: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e6lioqp-0OCWgJc.html

We've got some good stuff here!

That is a shame. Scarpa do repairs in house, so I’m sure it’ll be fixable, although it’s still annoying that it needs to be fixed. In their defence, their build quality is usually sky high, so hopefully it’s just an anomaly 🤞

I wear my street shoe size in them. Scarpa tends to "just fit" between street and climbing sizes from my experience, which is like 12 pair of their shoes. I don't feel like they have a wide heel cup. Mine fit me snug.

@@seanbrady9978 Glad to hear about the heel! I'll probably give these a go then thanks!

The heel isn’t particularly wide. If anything, I’d actually say it’s on the narrower. Perfect size/volume for a nice, snug fit. The danger of an overly wide heel on a slipper is that they always slip off! Size wise I thought I’d covered this in the review, but apparently not; however, I’m away at the moment and can’t quite remember. I’ll message back once I’m home again - sorry!

@@ukclimbingofficial Sorry - any idea on the sizing on these?

Go for the same size, that’s what I’ve got. The Vapour feel a bit bigger due to the more generous fit/last, so there’s no need to go up half a size. Funnily enough I’ve just packed mine for a day of climbing and suspect I’ll use the Vapour throughout the majority of the day, then the Instinct for a select few problems. It’s a great combo for that. Both such great shoes.

Tough choice!! It’d realistically boil down to either the Vapour S or the Instinct VSR. The Instinct VS are great, but the XS Edge rubber is a bit firmer and you’d be better off with CS Grip for Grit - which is what’s featured on the other two. In terms of which of those to go for, it’s really hard to say. My first recommendation would simply be to try both on, then buy whichever you like best. Performance-wise the Instinct has the edge on the Vapour, and a bit more support too, although it’s blended really well with sensitivity. That said, I’ve been continually amazed at how the Vapour S has performed and how much fun it is to climb in. If you’ve been watching the latest series of destination guides we’ve been doing then that’s what I’ve been wearing 99% of the time.

I haven’t actually. In fact, it’s one of the few shoes by Scarpa I haven’t reviewed in recent years!! May have to remedy that at some point…

@@ukclimbingofficial thanks for the reply 👊🏻 I will look out for your review. Have a great day!

I’ve sized them the same, but they fit quite differently, with the Vapour S being a bit wider and roomier than the Instinct S. There’s a fair few other differences, but in terms of sizing - start the same, then maybe go down a half size if you’re after a more technical/performance oriented fit.

It’s tricky isn’t it. They could be the best shoe in the world but if they don’t fit you - they’re not going to be the best for you.

*Vapour: www.scarpa.co.uk/climbing-shoes/vapour-s/

@@ukclimbingofficial my comment with the link to the german scarpa website doesn't show for some reason. Anyways, I've discovered that in German areas they spell them as vapour. Sorry for the confusion