I cant believe Scott said he wants to kill Pixel. this drama is really getting out of hand

This back and forth is really giving me an authentic Skull Merchant experience. I know what it feels like to go against her even when not playing the game. Truly a Dead By Daylight killer of all time.

TL:DR for antone who didnt watch the whole thing, they are doing the Cage Match in the octagon on Halloween at 8pm GMT

Pixel and Scott interacting will never not be my favourite dbd videos

Oh yeah, this drama is very dramatically dramatical, so sad that Scott called Pixel a twins main, it's a fate worse than death tbh.

Goddamn! Scott "Reacting to Content About the Reaction of Another Piece of Content" Jund is on a streak!

If Pixel makes a response then it’ll be as long as the average pre-rework Chess Merchant match

Regardless of your opinion on Skull Merchant, you have to agree that this video's title is god-tier.

Heard you loud and clear, Scott. Pixel's KZfaq comment section won't know what hit it. I won't let you down.

To explain a funny little quirk about knight’s guards, if you drop a pallet in front of them, they'll run to the other side of the pallet instead of going through it, and if you try going around them while they're doing this, the won't really attempt hitting you because now they're on a fixed path. That is how you can outplay knight at corner shack by dropping the pallet and then taking the window or run around them while the guard runs around shack like an idiot even though it could just go through the pallet

In my opinion, Pixel's video unintentionally shows why I hate Skull Merchant's new design (not nearly as much as her old design, but still). His video talks about how survivors can crouch mid-chase or monitor the drone lights mid-chase or pre-throw pallets to preserve the distance lost while crouching. There is skill required in the new SM chases, but it's all on survivors. She just hits one button at a loop, and then the drone does the work for her. Rather than being a 50/50 of skill on both sides, it offloads all of the skill requirements to the survivor. They keep comparing SM to killers like Artist, but even Artist maintains control of her birds once they are deployed, so she can miss or be mind-gamed. Because the birds also only cover a single line as opposed to a giant circle, they also require more precise prediction of where a survivor will go compared to a drone. It doesn't matter if a killer has "counterplay" if the eventual hit feels like it took little effort from their end. Granted, I fully admit that I have passionately hated SM since her release, to the point that I stopped playing the game during her Tome because I refused to play survivor at a time when there were challenges encouraging people to play SM. So there was likely no way that BHVR would have ever managed to make her "good" in my humble opinion.

Can't wait for the Scott and Pixel collab about making the most balanced killer concept.

This was the most interesting series of "people who essentially agree , but keep discussing the semantics" on DBD content

I have been waiting so long for someone to make that very MTG reference. Thank you pixel, you automatically win

Looking forward to future videos in this series where we have a chain of Scott's agreeing with eachother.

Hour long vile Scott video. This oughta be good

It shames me that we live in an era where people think you have to have problems personally with someone if you disagree with them. Civil discourse has been ruined by populace politics, use to be people became politicians because they were good at discourse while not taking it as a personal attack, nowadays its just whatever legacy nepobaby happens to wonder onto the podium. That Jund Charm edit nearly made me spit out my fries, lololol

I appreciate this back and forth mostly because it taked me back to the times of KZfaq video responses.

oh god scott wants to destroy him, isn't it obvious? Just like he did with Tru3! He is unhinged someone needs to stop him!

Great video to watch while i get facecamped by bubba. Thanks scott!

my favorite part was when pixel brought up how maybe the whole game is poorly designed and scott just agrees and says he finally gets it, I feel so heard after that because its true, and poorly designed does not necessarily = not fun

I cant wait for Pixel's video thats a reaction to your reaction reacting to his reaction to your discussion about the Skull Merchant. Watch it be 3 hours long

5 more videos and this skull merchant debate will be about a quarter of a length of a skull merchant match.

Honestly if scott started uploading philosophy videos I'd start watching them

Scott's been doing a lot of reacts to people reacting to him reacting to someone's content recently. And I love the absurdity of it. And I like the good points each do.

I just want to add to the topic of player/survivor having choices in the blight scenario. I agree more with Scott but the way i would put it is that the survivor needs to have a choice when he has resources to use. This game has the "map generation problem" and you can't have every inch of the map be a interactive resource and because of that you have clean/barren areas, where the most you'll have as a survivor is a rock or a tree to use, and in those scenarios ( not arguing if it is good or bad) the killer most of the time will have a garantee hit. In the clip Pixel presented, while the survivor was in the pallet area, he had choices to make anything after that is just prone to human error, untill the survivor reaches another resource.

I know this is unrelated scott, but your videos are getting me through a very rough time. Your personality and humor help me take my mind off my own personal issues. Thank you 🖤

I can't believe i watched Pixel's video earlier now I'm about to sit down and watch this whole ass video too LOL

i feel like pixel is just um-ackhyually-ing from a biased perspective

This is literally the exact same thing that happened with old spirit: She has no counterplay "Yes she does" *Shows examples that are either the spirit fucking up or so specific that it wouldn't apply to a normal match, OR a "comp" player showing examples.*

Fun is subjective. What is fun for you may not be fun for another.

The video I have been waiting for all day

This video could have been shortened considerably. It's a Skull Merchant player therefore opinion is immediately ignored. The end.

another great reaction from Scott "Survivors should always have a choice" Jund

pixels counterplay point doesnt really sound fun for survivor if it boils down to being forced to crouch during a chase. just because its there doesnt mean its healthy

I love how all the examples he showed doesn't actually show what the counterplay is and to topnit all of, he uses urban...

Pixel is so passive aggressive it's INSANE

cant wait for the 4 hour long response from pixel that leads into a 10 hour documentary on why skull merchant sucks from scott

34:12 run right. Blight would have to bounce off the wall, by the time he adjust to rush you make it around those spoils. You can then run back from where you came. if there is anything blight can readjust a rush, then you play around the new rush trajectory again, and loop tightly in ways that makes it much harder for a blight who has a power that's mostly reliant on 1 trajectory.

good type of discussion video to play when going to bed, i slept in so fast due to no counterplay for SM

i kinda want Scott to play Knight for a month straight just to see if his opinion changes.

Scott Talks about Skull Merchant is my new favorite movie franchise

Scott: "Dont use my Blight guide, that shit is awful" Every Otz stream when someone ask for a guide for Blight "Check my FAQ, there a Scott guide that is old but still holds up" lol

Cannot wait for the response to the response to the response to the response 🔥🔥🔥

At 34:20 i think the meg could have stood at the door frame and pushed the blight out of the way of collision. At this time of blight doors and stuff like that were hard to get through so it would've bought more time at the time, than today. It still works pretty well though.

Loved the "Yeah I am trying to start shit." energy at the beginning. Can't believe this Pixel man came out you with such hostility glad you threw it back 😂

THE PLOT CONTINUES

i think the takeaway is that while there is counterplay it is not very engaging in your opinion. and id agree. like i think the way you counter the skullmerchant isnt very interesting and it seems like the majority of players agreed on that. also you touched on it a little bit when there is counterplay to an ability but the same level of counterplay exists already that is not killer specific (like leaving the loop, holding w etc) then the counterplay might as well not exist

i can't wait to see pixel's reaction to scott's reaction to pixel's reaction to scott's reaction to pixel's video about skull merchant. this will be the greatest event in dbd history

Good lord Scott has a based opinion about knight? I feel vindicated???

dude please do more long form content i love it and you

The macro point is actually an interesting thing to go into, since a lot of people often say we need a new gamemode or something. One thing that would be interesting is adding a little more macro to the game, even if for an event as a fun test of the concept, and seeing how that impacts DBD.

I think if they changed the counterplay you can do from crouching to walking and making it only work in stealth and make running in the range even if you aren't in front of the lights change it from stealth to scout mode then I would love the new skull merchant. I think that would add a lot more depth to the chase on the survivor side since walking in chase is a lot more viable then crouching. Still doesn't change the fact that once it's active you kinda need to leave but at least makes the drop drone playstyle have a more consistent and unique counter imo

Yall seriously need to fan these flames to a full on WWF summerslam event. Also if the parties agree about the rules of something, then objective conclusions can be draw from those rules.

This video really makes you feel like a chess player

Scott...i never got your email. What time did you want us to raid his channel and defend your honor? 😂😂

I love Skull Merchants Rework and how she plays now, I mostly start my matches with corrupt and start placing drones near the unblocked generators and high traffic areas like main buildings or similiar things for example, but only at gens that are hard to defend in ways and the rest of the time I use my drones as stealth on demand and instantly pick em up or leave em until after the chase on the loop and I love that playstyle tbh, very different to the rest of the killers i usually play and really fun

Just because some people think the world is flat, that does not make the world being round a subjective opinion.

Y’all a couple of smart kiddos having a smart convo, I approve.

I think Scott’s current argument as I understand it applies to every non-m1 killer

Omg, I waited for your video response. XD

Next discussion video is gonna be as long as its taking for blight to get a nerf.

The only mechanical skill i think could be fun about SM, is that the 0,3s activation + the instand beam infront of you, makes some skill shots possible, even tho they are as useful as getting a direct snipe with clown.

but when will you play with pixel

maybe im not understanding the rework because i didn't get hands-on PTB experience and i have a tough time conceptualizing the rework based only on the seeing and hearing the details, but what I'm gathering is they're trying to make her Drones more chase/loop focused but they are not giving Survivors a mechanic to disable to Drones if you're already in chase..? at risk of her being a worse Singularity, i really think they should give Survivors an EMP-type item to disable to drones "remotely" instead of hands-on, or a condition like disabling a drone outside of chase would give you a "hack stack" for when you enter a Drone zone it auto-disables if you're being chased, or something.... ihdek how they can rework her to be interesting to vs at this point

I'm surprised this got a vod and not a meme response

9:10 does Kopi luwak count?

"Scott 'subjectively sidetracked' Jund" blessed us with a long video.

i was waiting for this like the release of the fnaf movie

This is Objectively the greatest react video of a react video of all time. 😎

Scott praised the knight!!! Happy happy happy

"My buddy Eric can do this" is such a strange argument.

Lets just keep this response rabbit hole going baby

Im gonna argue on the Blight point because of a couple of things as someone that plays it a bunch(no addons also) The "nothing the surv couldve done" scenario is a very specific example on a tile generation, very rarely theres not a wide rock/tree/debri to cover behind instead of an empty void Also, the point he even brings up, the Blight *can miss* Issue on Smerchant is that theres no miss or mechanical imput, unless you 360 her, she has no reason to miss, while Blight has to hit that, or he gets punished by a CD, longer and longer the more times he misses, giving the surv more distance in return. And you can 100% as a surv tip the balance towards you with spins or fakes Now you can say "oh but what if the Blight doesnt fall for said tricks and hits his rush?", And then i say that he got rewarded for his mechanically correct imput, with a hit. The surv even in the middle of nowhere can try stuff, but if the other player is simply better/more experienced, he gets rewarded for it. With Smerchant, once in said open/forced out of loop, theres no dodging/pathing to avoid her as there is no power there, just a m1 killer that pushed you out of the loop, so the surv agency is nonexistant, and the killer got the reward by hitting m2 and then m1 without timing nor strategy Also a other point is the counterplay examples which at least imo have to be the worst case examples ive seen. You cant base counters by following comp strats on a 1v1, the game does not work like that. 99.99% of players womt play at comp level even if knowing the counters(See sadako/Cenobite/Pig being the highest killrate killers) Not to mention, all the clips were very specific examples where -The survivor was dropping a pretty safe pallet -The drone was rotating in a way it wouldnt see them due to positioning of it -The surv had Urban Evasion, an F tier perk that no one runs, and people wont drop MFT or Resilience or Adren or Hope or SB or any meta perk, for freaking *urban evasion* in the off chance they go vs SMerchant Perks can help vs killers but you cant use the argument of "look there is counterplay, this perk helps vs her" because thats like saying old CoH was balances because "shattered hope countered it so its fine" Without Urban the surv wouldve wayyy more than likely gotten hit due to the distance-speed, not to mention addons for faster breaking speed within drones, or Brutal strenght negating this counter Predropping 3-4 pallets, including shack, within less than a minute is asking to lose instantly in soloq, so i dont take the comp counterplay as actual counterplay I couldve countered old Spirit by predropping every pallet and that doesnt make it good counterplay I think thats the main difference, good and engaging counterplay(in micro, dodging huntress hatches, in macro, Xenos turrets), and bad counterplay(predropping pallets or having a perk equipped beforehand)

This react videos are like a game of chess

Didn’t like some personal attacks from both parties. Pixel didn’t get the fact that Skull Merchant is bad design and none of his points could prove otherwise. Yes, she’s counterable, yes, you need some skill to play her (a tiny portion), but she’s not engaging in any way for either killer or survivor. She’s not as bad as people say, nevertheless, she’s still in a bottom line of a killer pool.

Scott should get into comp just to see the weird different way those guys play DBD

So what we learned is that Skull Merchant is an engaging Killer if Urban Evasion was base kit 🎉

Scott vastly overestimates knights power, i have literally watched survivors just walk past the guard and it doesnt react. The A.I. is absolutely broken lol

Jund charm absolutely has a place in most +1/+1 counters matter decks and it also fucks over commanders like Emmara or other such token commanders

2 things: 1) I hope they remove the hindered from the drones when claw trapped. 2) They need to remove the Guards Knight puts down from injuring you. They can give effects from chasing you however. Guard Ideas: *Carnifex:* Still the fastest breaker, and break pallets when chasing a survivor, still a 24 second duration. If they "hit" the survivor, they inflict Mangled and Hemorrhage that only fades (when healthy) after 30 seconds (when injured, and the injury can apply afterwards) once healed *Assassin:* Gives the Knight 5% haste and blocks windows when passing through them when chasing the survivor, and still moves at 110%. Makes gens regress 200% faster for 30 seconds after kicking it, and applies Deep Wounds when they "hit" an injured player, with a 10 second bleed out timer, which will only pause at 1% remaining, meaning the player cannot stop the timer by mending, only by running. *Jailor:* Still has the widest detection range, and applies a 5% Hindered and Incapacitated to the survivor they are chasing. If they "hit" a survivor, they gain 5% Hindered and Incapacitated for 30 seconds. If they kick a generator, it regressed by 10%, and gets blocked for 30 seconds, preventing the bar from moving for the duration (does resume regressing after it unblocks).

I think this series of videos has a longer runtime than behavior spent actually testing skull merchant

After 10 minutes i like this video and i find scott position balanced? Can't believe it!

One total bromance moment being able to debate like proper adults good on you two, Next you guys should collab since your both in the cynical critic dbd review genre and three personally I'm just glad the changes stuck despite your obvious cynicism and fair criticism of the changes man

This is the same level of comedy of jacksfilm reacting to jinx’s video reacting to jacksfilms video 🤣🤣🤣

Live reacts video in the form of reading comments of a reacts video to a reacts video? We've entered the React Meta.

This gonna last a century and i wont not laugh at it

Scott, you can't trust twitch chat to have philosophical conversations. They view debates like first year philosophy students. They jump to conclusions and don't stay open-minded enough to have a real discussion.

I WAS SO WRONG HOLY SHIT

My general response to this entire video. Not everything has to be about "mechanical" skill. You keep talking about "all she does is right click" but that is about mechanical skill. Its ok for things to be about strategy and macro gameplay rather than mechanical micro gameplay.

So... Pixel says Scott Jund sent a pipe bomb to his mail box right now. Are we really going to keep supporting this sick man?

Scott completely misunderstanding subjective and objective is just... wow

Subjective ideas can sprout from objective observations, but the opposite isn't true. Subjectivity comes from the taste, opinion, and feelings of the person. Objectivity comes from not being influenced by these things.

I can't believe Scott said he is going to choke slam Pixel's dog.

Their argument for counter play is the same as against death slinger when he aims down sight and make certain survivors run not as efficiently which usually wides up in a m1

whoa, Scottception

The comments here are so layered in irony in every direction that I have no idea what to expect.

11:15 yeah, it does. We all use literally and objectively wrong all the time, or at least in extremely hyperbolic ways. But to answer your question, yes, it'd be technically wrong to say "objectively" in that circumstance.

13:00 Achilles and the hare by Lewis Carroll

I can't believe Scott keyed Pixels car. This drama is getting out of hand