Looking like a villain with the cat in the lap just petting slowly

Scott going into his asmongold phase of reacting to stuff and turning 20 min videoes into 50 min videoes is very exiting!

Scott is so adept in his petting skills that he can perfectly articulate his opinions while casually giving the kitty the snuggliest day of her life.

I think there can be a comparison made here between DBD's balance and Magic the Gathering's casual format EDH (commander). The MTG format is an absolute free for all giving players access to nearly every single card ever printed which enables players if they so chose, to combo off and win extremely quickly. The format is entirely balanced by "gentleman's agreements" and social contracts which enables it to be fun. Without proper ranked matchmaking, DBD is in a very similar "free for all" place where both sides can basically determine if they want to hold back and have the match be fun or bring the sweatiest stuff and automatically win. DBD is only truly balanced when both sides "agree" on how hard to sweat which doesn't work all that well. Commander gets away with it because it's a group of people that have conversations about their expectations before a game occurs, but unless DBD matchmaking goes in a very different direction (such as specific ranked queues and restrictions for certain perks / combinations / items etc.) it will always be impossible for both sides to be truly balanced. Somebody is always going to be trying harder than the rest, or gets frustrated and decides to leave, or is trying a fun build, or is doing a quest, or is practicing for the next tournament, etc. etc. The only way for an assymetrical game like DBD to be balanced is if the expectations of the match are equal across all players involved, and that is simply impossible without a fully fleshed out ranking system.

Something I don't see people mention very often is that for survivors you kind of have to pound gens in the beginning because you don't know what you are going up against. If you don't sweat initially and have no gen progress before the first chase is over super quick you can nearly guarantee the match is lost.

49:57 The PAIN and helplessness in that sentence is so real.

the first 2 minutes/ first couple killer-survivor interactions pretty much told you how each match is going. snowball so crucial for killers.

Showing gameplay footage of Hawkins is like showing me a photograph of a dead loved one. I miss Hawkins :(

I think that there's another important factor for survivors which is cooperation, if they have good coordination and cooperated greatly, then that would be a game changing even if they don't have good resources and RNG, and I think the factors could change on which side you play.

I wish they had a "reputation" factor that was calculated into matchmaking. I have never disconnected from a game my entire life, I wish I only played with teammates who are the same way. This game is so reliant on team play for the survivor team that just one bad egg can instantly lose you the entire match and waste your time.

I would say the experience for running a loop and knowing how a killer works does matter the greatest. I think thats what I see as comparison of me who plays killer and knows the maps vs friends who only play survivor and only when we play as a group. I do tend to have to explain what perks and the new killer does. And these friends don't tend to run loops either. Like not having the sense of where the pallet is to run to safety. Experience factoring map knowledge and these potential pallet spawns and where to expect them.

Thank you so much for these long videos. These are like podcasts for me in the morning and after work.

Love these types of videos Scott. I love any type of discussions you do

I want him to do a no addon/perk experiment to compare his findings.

Scott dude please keep doing the long podcast style videos, love this man

My OCD is severely triggered by the fact that the "Pyramid of Balance" is balanced on a single point of a vertex, instead of the infinitely more stable length of one of its sides.

This video feels like a DBD scholarly discussion. As if their individual theories and pyramids will be taught in textbooks

I think true "no holds barred" tourneys, and all tourneys in general, swing heavily by how we subjectively decide to score them. Different scoring schemes can make it "appear" like one side was better than the other. I think 4ks and 4escapes should rarely if ever happen in tournaments, but the scoring may be weighted towards survivors or killers in the 1-3k range based on what actions/outcomes are and aren't worth points.

I honestly think the kill rates have gone up from the dead hard nerf, more killers tunneling and survivors throwing the game on hook

I do think killer is more stressful than survivor. Partially because Survivor has much more cope built in. The game isn't fair to you in a 1v1 sense (it can't be) and there are 3 other people that can fuck up without it being your fault. The other BIG part imo is that the pacing is just chill in comparison. You have your intense pvp segments, but you also have long stretches where you're doing gens, healing, unhooking and other things that don't involve you being pressured by another human being as much. Compare that to the entirety of killer being vs other people and it's not hard to imagine why a challenging match of killer is more stressful than as survivor.

kill rates went up, especially in solo que due to people killing themselves on hook on the regular. Not very fun when there are killers whom do not require to be close by to camp a hook

Y'all have the best discussions whenever I'm unable to actually play DBD

I think Scott forgets that the Spirit Match was determined by Ace going into the locker next to the hook. Awakened Awareness won the game. As Otz said you would need waaay more games to even consider this representative.

Loving this Scott Podcast

41:28 : *Yoda death sound*

A VOD UPLOAD? POG

Scott Jund you make my afternoons SOOOO much better. Love you ❤️

just as i was about to do homework too, praise be

This was a really fun video. Thanks :)

8:18 I disagree, if you have all resources in the world with no experience then it's useless, but If Have extra with no resources you are far likey to be better no matter what. I understand your side of the point though. Also I was very confused with the comparison of Blight vs trapper. I thought this was survivors versus killers myths.

D: I might rewatch to see if the "am I dog" part is preserved somewhere but if it's not, anyone who wasnt there for this stream, go watch it

i think the game is balanced, but players, killers and survivors, can completely bypass the balance with how they play. pre-drop every pallet as survivor, run to a corner when you hear tr, etc. and then as killer you can tunnel even WITH all the anti-tunneling in the game, not to mention camping, 3genning, etc. as it's been said before, if one side does their best to win, the other side HAS to also do their best, or they stand no chance.

Super interesting brain stimulating video. Thoroughly enjoyed

for thee algorith, when does the texas chaiansaw game come out? and when the the killer klowns come out?

Most of that back and forth about the pyramid can be summed up by the axiom: "All models are wrong, but some are useful."

I think kill rates have gone up, every time survivors have one of their more meta perks nerfed it takes like a month for them to get back to learning the new meta. Like when dead hard got nerfed, now its circle.

The worst part of dbd balance is that i can never get matches where both sides could win. it always feels like you stomp or get stomped.

What if you had to lock-in your build before clicking ready to search for a match and then the mmr system took in to account your items/power, perks, add-ons and offerings when matching you up with other players? It might be a little complicated and might increase queue times but do you think it would boost the accuracy of power levels for matchmaking?

I think this pyramid is pretty much completely correct. Map awareness, tile strategy, movement knowledge, etc are invaluable. Experience can mitigate luck, amplify resources and is essential for sweat..

At least in solo q games, mindset is so crucial for survivors. If one surv gets tilted and they DC after a bad early chase or kill themself on hook - the game is over. But the thing is: as embarrassing as a poor first chase might be, the killer might make a similar mistake by chasing another surv for too long afterwards. I've lost count of the games where the killer found me in 10 seconds and downed me in another 10. And I've also lost count of the times where after dying like a noob in first chase, I then looped the killer for ages and everyone escaped. As the saying goes, it ain't over til the slim and tall Babylonian lady gargle-pukes

Honestly depending on the map i would honestly put experience on the bottom or 2nd to the bottom of this pyramid and just throw resources and rng at the top because like there are maps that just quite literally play themselves for both sides. i do think there are maps for survivors naturally like any cowshed map red forests and so on so forth but like if a survivor goes to these maps they arguably really dont need experience really at all because those maps are so ungodly unbalanced for them to where you really just drop pallet and killer has to kick otherwise you just leave and find the next pallet and potentially loop back to any of those pallets but again this can sweep over to killer as well where if you get a map that has practically no pallets and such for survivor killer now doesnt need as much experience so again the map plays for you. i do think for this game unless there is a constant killer favored map being played, survivors dont arguably ever to learn because they control what map you go to if they really wanted to but that also leans more into potential swf which is another topic on its own but if survivors want to send you to the worst map possible for killer they will send you and there experience they need will forever be on the low side since again you dont need experience to run these maps as a survivor or at the very least a little bit of experience

Every 10 minutes I was wiping my screen trying to get gunk off it but then I realised it was that thing on Scott's forehead

Scott: RNG isn't that much of a factor Also Scott minutes later: "It's interesting how much the map is a determining factor of guess how the map is gonna go immediately." I just think its fun how the map is ALWAYS the issue with the game. I remember playing in the age of infinites and vacuums and insta-blinds. But to be productive and add something to the conversation: Resources>>Experience>RNG=Mindset.

You can really feel that this video's a year old lol. I would love to see this revisited for modern DBD, where you basically get a win screen for just queueing as survivor.

I think they atleast went up a little because where they don't have he slow downs they now tunnel a survivor out as quickly as possible to slow the game down that way.

thank you for petting buddy for so long :)

finally, a long scott video. let me get some food first. 🙏

Experience also helps players identify what resources they need. Not all players watch content creators to know what the meta perks/add ons are, and while it may seem obvious, it isn’t necessarily to someone just playing the game. If you are just playing the game, then it will take you a long time to learn all the perks, add ons, other resources AND to unlock them. That’s another point that would suggest experience is more valuable than resources.

One of the big things in the Mindset tier is whether or not you're just trying to do a daily ritual or a tome challenge. You will likely play sweatier if you have the Mori daily, Mors Ambito I think, because you're basically using a Mori to get the chance to complete it. Or if you have to like...kick 6 gens in a single match, or hit two Survivors with Plague's upgraded puke in a single puke, twice in a match. You will either be super chill, or you'll be forced to sweat.

I'm no master Blight, but he did seem to make a few mistakes to me. He greeded for a scourge hook, he had to go through a god pallet to reach it which was just a bad idea against these survivors. So that lost him a hook and pressure. Also idk, he did just seem to get stunned a lot, Im not sure if that's him miss playing or the survivors getting lucky. Honestly I think the Blight just had a unoptimized build, since it was entirely focused on Scourge Hooks. Scourge Hook perks are good but it just didnt work out for him. Corrupt and Pain Res are fine enough perks to use in this situation, however Floods of Rage and Gift of Pain seem like bad picks. Maybe if he had enduring/spirit fury things could have gone better. His strategy seems to involve running into pallets a lot, which runs the risk of being stunned. Since he can break pallets so quickly, he would be able to get his spirit fury fast. I know those are weird perks for a Blight to use, but maybe that could of made the difference.

The perkless depip squad experiment is an interesting example of how experience and mindset can be overwhelming when the opposition is (most of the time) not on the same level, even with better RNG and resources.

My pyramid would be: 1. Experience - depending on what hand you’re dealt you can adjust your playstyle accordingly. 2. Mindset - you can choose to be sweaty by using your experience or bring the best items (resources) it doesn’t matter what you bring though if you don’t know how to use it, which is why experience is first. 3. Resources - Maps, items, add ons, and the killer you choose to bring into the game will be the factor to how the balance of that trial will be. (It can be manipulated which is why it’s at the end) Rng is apart of resources so I wouldn’t even count it.

The fact that this 50 min video reacting to a 20 min Otz video was all just an elaborate Magic Bullet ad was impressive.

Loved your commentary

Syptic is a very difficult addon to use to get value, Your experience allows for good use of the resourse.

42:10 I would argue that while bringing and having the styptic qualifies it as a resource, having the game knowledge and skill needed to know to use it to extend the first chase against blight rather than later in the match and successfully pull it off is more important. So I think that the reason Otz put experience above resources, is because the use of a resource and how impactful a survivor is capable of playing without a resource is more important than having or not having the resources in the first place. Sorry if this was redundant/rambling.

The only way mistakes can be ignored is if you have the skill to recover from that mistake. So for the killer it seems like you can make no mistakes because of the asymmetrical nature, there can be more than one survivor to help during that mistake

Experience is more important than Resources, because you need experience to know where pallets are and how the maps can be run best. Or even when best to use your med-kit and heal etc.

I think also exposed cut some of the chases by half, maybe not as impactful as the blight getting fucked over by the styptic, but it stops them from getting to main

I genuinely think on the pyramid too that Resources affect my mindset the most. In Comp you need to be 101% in a focused mindset but even still under that pressure if you get your first down denied by a styptic that is an absolutely huge mental blow. I think the 100% moment that sealed the deal was that second styptic too. I can feel the blights defeat and he even goes on to miss hooking. Thats a rookie mistake that shows his mindset was off. Furthers your point of suggesting resources are first

So just as an anecdote, I've been a surv main for most of my dbd career. the couple of MONTHS I played killer, I only played Onryo. I used her three main perks and I think sloppy butcher. I barely used her better add ons as well. No exaggeration, I think I only had three or four matches where I didn't get a 4k or purposefully let the last survivor go after downing them. I was playing somewhere around 10-15 games a week as killer. Literally no prior killer experience, I started getting 4ks right off the bat, and steam rolling teams that I could tell were on coms even. It just depends on a lot of factors, but I feel like as a killer you can rely much more heavily on strategy, and not have to worry about teammates not playing optimally. You always have the opportunity to recover as a killer, and the game is never 100% out of control if you play well. That was just my experience on public games as a killer vs solo que though, so take it with a grain of salt.

Also keep in mind the version of the game, the balance of the game when old deadhard and old ds and old OoO was around is a way different balance than the current version

buddy is like subway surfers for my ADHD thank you scott

3:52 was that the cat meowing?😂whatever it was it’s so cute seeing little catto get scratchies the whole time

to be honest, in my opinion, experience still should be on the top of the pyramid. When I was a new-ish player in DbD, I took an L against 2 Survivors with no perks at all (but flashlights), but they had like 500 hours while I had like 10.

I can't believe anyone in the right mind would go off the "Statistics". Not only they are inflated to hell and back due to new players getting absolutely stomped, but also syringes and BNPs that hugely skew the stats. We clearly know from devs that 75% of survivors are always playing in teams (SWFs), so that alone should give us the hint that whatever "Stats" show is highly influenced by that 25% of SoloQ survivors. So going by stats doesn't only hurt the killer role, but also the SoloQ, because it paints an unfaithful image of the current environment.

no clue why people are talking about "the game is unbalanced for xxx" lately. its an asymmetrical game, it's literally impossible to be "balanced". Devs and community should accept this and just focus on making the game more fun with more interesting mechanics, killers, and perks

The map itself is a resource indeed. 'The Game' for example. Against most m1 killers its a strong advantage for survivors. Now be against a stealth build suddenly all thoes high walls favor killer. Or against doc and suddenly the small size and 2 floors work against you~ Which is a big reason map offerings are so strong. It kinda takes a big chunk of that 'RNG' slice and adds it to the 'resources' slice. Scratched Mirror Myers? A Map offering is basically a 5'th perk.

100% agree resources above experience every game is different

I like your comment on gauging difficulty and acting accordingly. I do this as killer, but I do it by looking at the skill of the survivors. I don't go for kills, I go for hooks. My goal is that there is a good BP spread amongst all players by the end and I've gotten good hauls with simply hooking everyone twice. Pseudo farming to some extent, but it does mean everyone gets a turn/chance to shine. So if I go in and the survivors are seal pups, I'm gonna ease on the throttle. One sided games aren't fun. Extra edit, all three are linked. Experience can determine what resources are worth bringing. But your mindset can also determine how sweaty your loadout will be.

Vile Scott returns in true villain fashion stroking his cat.

What exactly are we referring to when we talk about RNG in DBD?

Mr. Jundimus Prime

I believe that another factor that was in play were the bligh's and spirit's addons and how it worked around their builds. While the spirit got use for pretty much all of them the blight just got little value from two of them. This might be a hot take, but i don't feel like corrupt is great perk on killers that can have a fast early down and lethal persuer or deadlock(even if it's a mid gane perk) are nicer options on that regard. Also as powerfull as blight and his addons can be, some maps can make his bump logic pretty unconsistent and make some turns more unpredictable and unreliable.

Really, my issue is that the game just isn't fun. It just feels like with each update they do, they destroy a playstyle for both sides rather than buff another kind of playstyle to be as viable alongside another. It comes down to games feeling samey because the devs decided "this is the way you're going to play" for the next few months. This is why I dislike game development that adhere too much to "meta" rather than figure out "hey, let's make a healer build be just as potent as a repair build" or a "chaser build just as potent as a 3 gen build"

I feel like this chart would work better as an overlapping circle chart rather than a pyramid.

30:45 Because they are lucky. It’s just something you can’t predict in DBD.

I’ve gotten several adepts on less than favorable maps by recognizing my disadvantage and sweating accordingly😅

Why does not getting off the gen before pain res a solo q mistake? I see survivors do this a ton and I'm a very high level/high hour player and I don't. Unless they have dms. The gen gets pain res'd whether you let go or not and with the first semi Nerf that perk got, it doesn't alert the killer to what gen it was when you scream. Am I missing something?

Its been 5 ??? Days since u made it to a scott junnde vid, idk what i have to do to make it again.

I feel like "kills" have gone up, so long as you consider disconnects as kills as well.

If we are doing to say that one of the biggest factors were the maps that they played on, but also talk about recourses then is there any reason to not consider map offerings as resources?

Experience and recourses kinda go hand and hand

i could never as passionate as alex when it comes to dbd

ur cord is tangled because the plug can spin, when it starts happening unplug ur headphones and unwind it that should stop it from happening lol

I left this comment on Otz's video and I'll say it again after playing many Asymmetrical multiplayer games I've come to the conclusion that when it comes to the 1 person vs a team styled games if the 1 person knows what they're doing, plays well, and doesn't make many if any mistakes they will win the majority of the time.

Lery's and styptics screw Blight pretty hard. Spirit, I feel, is less map dependent. As a killer main, decisive strike still can literally win games for survivors. Underrated perk.

Experience is easily the biggest factor imo.

You can use DS to extend the use of a resource, which is extremely powerful. DS and DH are the only 2 perks that can do that. So it’s good, but mostly in the hands of someone with more experience. Which is counterintuitive to how you seem to think the perk works.

Food for thought pig had been put into an amazing situation this patch. The reason behind this is pig has always struggled at punishing survivors that have a good presence of mind, however with this patch more survivors stay injured/ waste a lot of time healing giving her massive potential to get full use out of her reverse bear traps. with the right builds you can pressure 3 or all survivors off of gens for more than 5 minutes without the need of any overly powerful perks using a half decent build she can easily and consistently snowball. Plus because you are playing pig more players tend to stick with the match I rarely get dc's and can get 11/12 hook games and they tend to be incredibly fun.

Your videos are super quiet compared to most other channels, I've noticed this pretty much since I began watching you

Have they removed scurage hooks? Or are they just bugged? I had one the other week and there was no white hooks anywhere

This video just proves this game is a shambles

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard the Dark Reality track in a video on KZfaq, I’d have a shitload of dollars

Adding to this discussion super late: RNG and resources are tied more tightly in a lot of ways - mainly, many resources one side brings are functionally RNG to the other side(map offerings, add-ons, etc). If a survivor brings a garden of joy offering, is that RNG or resources? Well it's definitely resources, but if they killer had known ahead of time they could have broughy appropriate add-ons/perks, so from their perspective it's RNG... You bring resources to curb the RNG in your favor, kind of.

I thought this patch would make playing survivors super unplayable but I haven't really noticed any difference. One charge out of a medkit is plenty usually and getting 2 heals+ out of a single medkit and the self heal time increase I even forget about. This update has not been anywhere near as bad as I thought it'd be.

Dang, you have a good cat, none of my cats would let me hug for more than a minute.

Just want to say, I feel like resources that appear in a map (pallet locations, window locations, gen locations, etc.) fall under experience and not resources. I think the idea of the resources category in this context is what you being to the match yourself. Perks, items, addons, map offerings, those are variables that can be changed and can’t be predicted by anyone else in the map. Those are variables that the players have to on the fly adapt to as they learn they are present in the match. But the things that spawn on the map? The second it loads you can already make a game plan because while there is some RNG variance to them, your experience with playing these maps lets you be aware of what’s around you and make plays in the possible coming seconds. You don’t bring those pallets to the map, so they’re not a resource. They are a persistent existing thing that through playing the game and the experience you build up you can take advantage of.

How anyone fails to see that all of these problems come from the matchmaking being useless amazes me

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