Production Basics 9b: A Specific Premaster/Master Case

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SeamlessR

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9 жыл бұрын

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@teomarkulin1909
@teomarkulin1909 9 жыл бұрын
That drop sounds so cool I can't wait for this track
@digitalcowboy448
@digitalcowboy448 9 жыл бұрын
So, every video I've watched as a newb telling me I MUST have a PERFECT mix down before mastering is, not necessarily wrong, but misleading? Hmmmm, I look forward to trying this!
@thec4ke
@thec4ke 9 жыл бұрын
The pseudo side-chain thing was actually what used to happen sometimes before side-chaining was everywhere. Turn the kick/snare way up, then compress the entire drum bus (sometimes with bass) to ridiculous levels and clip the overshoots. When you hear older dnb and techno where the kick and snare hit super hard and the percussion dynamics sounds like someone breathing in and out that's probably what happened.
@9Tstep
@9Tstep 9 жыл бұрын
The reference to Koan Sound helped me understand different styles :) I'm one of the guys who would prefer the premaster and now I know it's because of the headroom! Also the track is dope!
@happynutcracker
@happynutcracker 9 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the full song :D
@Derkjickface
@Derkjickface 9 жыл бұрын
awesome man... as always.
@exoticdank4206
@exoticdank4206 9 жыл бұрын
Oh and hello SeamlessR
@palmtreedan160
@palmtreedan160 9 жыл бұрын
YES SEAMLESS!!!! Can you please make a tutorial on how to make an Acapella?
@APxKP
@APxKP 9 жыл бұрын
very ture. everyone has their own ways of mixing and mastering, its just some ppl assume their ways are better and faster. and pretty sure it is fast and more efficient but thats in the eyes of the beholder. there is hundreds of ways doing thing when it comes to producing. there isnt one way of doing something, and if this way works better for a person then others really shouldnt knock on that persons opinions.
@albertdu8051
@albertdu8051 8 жыл бұрын
wait so are you supposed to try to create a mix which has "mastering qualities" cause thats what he said in his mastering vid but now he said keep your mix not too mastered or you won't get the snappiness?
@edwardsnock1880
@edwardsnock1880 7 жыл бұрын
Hey +SeamlessR (or anyone reading), just wondering if rather than taking the whole premaster/master approach, is it okay to have my mixdown peak at around -3db (without dragging the master fader down at all), then use maximus on the master channel, rather than splitting the process up into two seperate projects?
@Nightmoore
@Nightmoore 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Seamless! I'm a fan.....been catching up on a lot of your videos and I'm really enjoying everything you share. Just wanted to ask out of curiosity: Have you ever tried Ozone? I know it's not necessary or anything, but it is pretty bad-ass. Ozone's final limiter does have some unique tricks up it's sleeve for preserving transients and other nice things. The new version is pretty awesome as well. Keep up the great work!
@SeamlessR
@SeamlessR 9 жыл бұрын
Ozone has some great analytical abilities and some nice sort of background processes. But for the most part, everything it does Maximus can do. Maximus' unique approach to the transfer curve means you have more control over how the sound behaves than you would using literally anything else.
@Nightmoore
@Nightmoore 9 жыл бұрын
SeamlessR I hear ya bro. And that does actually make sense. I crush the bajesus out of some tracks in a mix to purposefully kill dynamics for taste as well, so I really do understand what you're saying. And yeah, synths are SO different from all the other animals in a mix. That's something I'm struggling with now in my own tunes. They behave nothing like a guitar as far as dynamics are concerned. I still have much to learn, so I totally respect everyone's ideas and opinions on the matter.
@shaunblackwood9358
@shaunblackwood9358 9 жыл бұрын
I have a pretty simple question if you don't mind. How do you get your info to show up on start up? Thanks
@AServiceableHat
@AServiceableHat 9 жыл бұрын
SeamlessR - Who's doing the vocals on this? NLJ?
@octaharon
@octaharon 8 жыл бұрын
I don't get it why on the third (final) version when you zoom up a snare (14:00), it has a distinct envelope profile similar to on in the "premaster" version, while it is totally squashed on 2nd version, which is kinda unlimited version of 3rd one, right? Does your limiter have a non-zero attack?
@SeamlessR
@SeamlessR 8 жыл бұрын
+Александр Усков The limiter shown here isn't doing anything. I'm using it purely as a metering option. The 32bit wav files show kind of weird in their clip form as the clip's range is 0db. So there are peaks that go beyond that.
@groundflowers
@groundflowers 9 жыл бұрын
This is a strange question to ask, is it wrong to build your song in -6db, then relieve the volume to -2/0db without distortion or clipping, then render it and take this 'clean mix' into mastering in another instance of FL with Maximus and Limiting? I find this technique a lot easier as it helps me with headroom and working with pinpointing different problems that I don't think I'd notice if I was in the original project? Is this an okay technique? is there any tips that could help the technique? :)
@Nightmoore
@Nightmoore 9 жыл бұрын
Sure man, it's totally ok to do that. Here's the thing that so many people screw up on (and something I struggled with for over a year): People try to get the final limiter to do too much work. You really need to get your dynamics under control before that final step. Even Dave Pensido recommends getting the dynamics/volume "80% there" before the final limiting. I track/mix/master my own stuff and these days I'm finishing the mix clocking in around -6 to -3db or so. When I finally hit Ozone (which I use in a separate session in my DAW after mixing), I don't have to hit that limiter very hard. I aim for around 8 to 7 RMS on the loudest parts. That's usually the chorus (I write rock as opposed to electronic - but use a ton of synths). And that's STILL a tiny bit more quiet than the industry "standard" for loud.
@groundflowers
@groundflowers 9 жыл бұрын
Stephen Harrell I also produce music with my band so I completely get how it translates! thanks man, I can see very well how it can be once you open your headroom from -6db to 0db so I quite often Play with this volume until there's a no peak headroom, sometimes I feel like using multiband compression as an extra equalizer rather than a volume boost!
@azay118
@azay118 9 жыл бұрын
Preset maximus please for finishing mastering song..
@phnmnn5991
@phnmnn5991 8 жыл бұрын
so its like you clip it yourself? to prevent it being clipped by playback devices?
@phnmnn5991
@phnmnn5991 8 жыл бұрын
basically what im asking is how is limiting different from clipping
@SeamlessR
@SeamlessR 8 жыл бұрын
It's really square/rectangle type comparisons. Distortion/clipping is compression/limiting. But a compressor/limiter plugin differs by having time variables (attack, release) that exist to control harmonic change. If you limited a sine wave with zero time variable length it would distort and you'd see additional harmonics cropping up. Do it hard enough and it'll become a square wave. If you limited the same sine wave but with time variables that prevent the amplitude from modulating fast enough, then it would stay a sine wave, and be kept below the limit. Specifically, if your time variables kept the modulation slower than the oscillation of said sine wave. If it reacts faster than the oscillation, then it'll start to affect the shape of the waveform (hence waveshaping) which adds harmonic content.
@phnmnn5991
@phnmnn5991 8 жыл бұрын
SeamlessR thank you. still a bit beyond me but its all starting to come together.
@garfieldiator3575
@garfieldiator3575 9 жыл бұрын
You're saying you base your Mixing on your Mastering?
@MCWolf14
@MCWolf14 9 жыл бұрын
Yes, he's saying, once he's made enough of his track that he knows what the song will generally sound like, then he does his mastering. So all his mixing decisions are based off the mastered version of the song
@L9X
@L9X 9 жыл бұрын
Under 301 BITCHES!
@AnstonMusic
@AnstonMusic 9 жыл бұрын
yea we are ;)
@L9X
@L9X 9 жыл бұрын
Rory McAlindon i also waych loads of ableton tuts because I have mastered patcher so can recreate racks! Any tutorial really.
@AnstonMusic
@AnstonMusic 9 жыл бұрын
Lukeme9X That's pretty damn cool, I'm merely an amateur atm =/
@BrownCookieBoy
@BrownCookieBoy 9 жыл бұрын
Not really under 301, cause even before it reaches 301, probably around 400+ have viewed the video.
@L9X
@L9X 9 жыл бұрын
Andy Flow just keep watching tutorials and trying and you'll get there m8!
@nativemaggot
@nativemaggot 9 жыл бұрын
Why saw saturation?
@bloodlord1989
@bloodlord1989 9 жыл бұрын
It's soft saturation. It's funny that i thought he said saw saturation too,before i looked at the manual. As he says it's free compression with a price of adding some distortion and brickwalls anything that goes above the line you set it at. I tried it and it's too much distortion for me in most cases because i make hardstyle and combine it with many aggressive genres like metal and add my own distortion before hand. If it sounds good use it,if not don't use it just because it's analog.
@Trickey2413
@Trickey2413 9 жыл бұрын
lol i say saw saturation
@Slabeddi
@Slabeddi 9 жыл бұрын
Can I be stupid and ask something I've wondered for very long time? Why do we want loud mixes? Why not just turn your volume up? Why does the mix need to be mastered to be very loud when we have speakers that we migtht aswell turn up? It's a very noob question but this would help me.
@nickb780
@nickb780 9 жыл бұрын
Imagine you're a DJ playing out songs in the club. You don't want every new song you play to be a different volume and have to constantly turn everything up or down. And since everyone masters loud, you have to be comparable so your tracks sound decent next to everyone else's.
@Slabeddi
@Slabeddi 9 жыл бұрын
Blow Standards So if everyone had quieter mixes we wouldnt need to use compressors?
@nickb780
@nickb780 9 жыл бұрын
You still would use compressors but it wouldn't be as loud, look up the loudness war as well.
@ElMoShApPiNeSs
@ElMoShApPiNeSs 9 жыл бұрын
To add to that, he's said before that louder music just sounds 'better' quality to our ears.
@Slabeddi
@Slabeddi 9 жыл бұрын
ElMoShApPiNeSs But then my question comes back. Why not turn the volume up?
@FunSizedDragon
@FunSizedDragon 9 жыл бұрын
Haha! FUCK dynamics!
@exoticdank4206
@exoticdank4206 9 жыл бұрын
First.
@gorditoalberto26
@gorditoalberto26 9 жыл бұрын
hi iam seamless??? wtf men ...NOOO!! you arent seamless ...i am the TRUE seamless ...and this channel is mine
@Colgatelicious
@Colgatelicious 9 жыл бұрын
what are you trying to accomplish here
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